| 00:04:03 | Topic: visa issues | ||
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| 00:05:31 | INFO | MrBeige | today is mainly a way for frank to make an outline of what you need from him, and for him to give an estimate of when you can expect to see it |
| 00:09:31 | INFO | iriefrank | frank bynum is an attorney licensed in new jersey. will be admitted in new york sometime soon. graduated from univ of southern california law school in may 08. right now working in city government in new york and practicing law in free time on low/pro-bono basis |
| 00:11:11 | INFO | iriefrank | frank will produce two separate sets of documents. first, one of more legal memos with citations and analysis of the immigration issues |
| 00:11:58 | Topic: How soon do we need an exact date and address? | ||
| 00:12:39 | INFO | iriefrank | frank will look into the longest lead times for non-visa-waiver countries and how flexible dates can or cannot be |
| 00:15:01 | INFO | MrBeige | gotcha - biometrics |
| 00:15:55 | INFO | MrBeige | the situation with columbia (where we hope to host it) is that they can't commit to a date we can use their housing until October this year. The conf will be next summer, probabyl june |
| 00:16:03 | INFO | MrBeige | so how will this affect applications ? |
| 00:16:28 | Topic: are there preferable ports of entry | ||
| 00:16:57 | Topic: this is mainly saying, should people have less of a problem entering in NYC since it's so multicultural? | ||
| 00:17:07 | Topic: are there preferable ports of entry | ||
| 00:17:19 | INFO | MrBeige | this is mainly saying, should people have less of a problem entering in NYC since it's so multicultural? |
| 00:17:58 | INFO | iriefrank | all airports are run substantially in the same way |
| 00:18:00 | INFO | MrBeige | also, I guess part of it is also, what issues might come up while at the visa/customs check, AFTER someone already has a visa approved |
| 00:18:18 | INFO | Hydroxide | the relevance of this to legal advice is that a more friendly port will be less likely to turn people away based on the personal reactions of the border official, or provide a hostile border experience to the attendee |
| 00:18:29 | INFO | iriefrank | one advantage to flying into nyc is that frank can respond in the unlikely event of problems. but we can also recruit volunteer lawyers elsewhere to be on call if necessary. |
| 00:19:39 | Topic: What qualities make people more or less likely to be granted a visa? | ||
| 00:20:23 | INFO | iriefrank | financial ties to home country (proprty ownership); family in home country; job in home country |
| 00:21:55 | INFO | iriefrank | hard to say, it's a balancing test. but from a stable country and with a combo of those things, i'd say more likely than not |
| 00:23:21 | INFO | MrBeige | iriefrank we will get iriefrank the past debconf reports, which list breakdowns by country |
| 00:24:28 | LINK | Hydroxide | http://media.debconf.org/dc7/report/ |
| 00:24:43 | LINK | Hydroxide | http://media.debconf.org/dc8/report/ |
| 00:25:14 | LINK | Hydroxide | http://media.debconf.org/dc6/report/ |
| 00:25:44 | Topic: Advantages of the Visa Waiver program vs. applying for a visa anyway. | ||
| 00:26:07 | LINK | coyled | http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/wait/tempvisitors_wait.php |
| 00:26:12 | INFO | MrBeige | so I hear that some people eligible for visa waiver might want to apply for a visa anyway, because it gives more rights... |
| 00:26:25 | INFO | Hydroxide | but is also a lot more hassle |
| 00:28:40 | Topic: What kinds of help can we provide? (email contact (signed/encrypted?), earlist/latest contact dates, phone, in person once arrived...) | ||
| 00:29:52 | INFO | Hydroxide | this item is about how to get specific assistance to individualsfit |
| 00:30:16 | INFO | iriefrank | also hopes to have advisory materials posted in the order theyll be useful, like documents about biometric passports and visa applications very early |
| 00:30:27 | INFO | iriefrank | an airport how-to guide last |
| 00:35:22 | Topic: Specific Countries | ||
| 00:35:40 | INFO | MrBeige | anyone who has specific countries or groups we should be sure to check into, #info it here... |
| 00:35:49 | INFO | MrBeige | venezuela |
| 00:35:57 | INFO | MrBeige | visa waiver countries |
| 00:36:20 | INFO | marga | middle-east ? |
| 00:36:32 | INFO | MrBeige | cuba |
| 00:36:33 | INFO | marga | Cuba? |
| 00:36:55 | INFO | iriefrank | cuba will be nearly impossible |
| 00:37:52 | INFO | Hydroxide | general latin-america regional concerns |
| 00:38:23 | INFO | MrBeige | iran (no DDs *yet* we think, though) |
| 00:38:29 | INFO | Hydroxide | people who have traveled to countries the US doesn't like (e.g. syria, libya, iran, cuba) but don't live there |
| 00:39:09 | INFO | iriefrank | those specifics are more subject to the vagaries of enforcement than the absurdity of the law, so i'll look into it via antecdote the best i can |
| 00:39:52 | Topic: any other visa business ? | ||
| 00:42:04 | Topic: border searches | ||
| 00:42:18 | INFO | MrBeige | frank has done extensive research on this (while in law school?) |
| 00:48:41 | INFO | MrBeige | what about when it's not a "normal" windows laptop ? |
| 00:50:32 | Topic: information about fingerprinting/photographing | ||
| 00:51:29 | INFO | Hydroxide | accurate information about this will minimize problems |
| 00:53:23 | Topic: if a laptop is held, how long does that usually go for? | ||
| 00:53:54 | Topic: DC10 prestation - what to include | ||
| 00:54:51 | INFO | Hydroxide | how should we incorporate the general part of this stuff into the presentation we give to introduce DC10? |
| 00:57:21 | Topic: Timeline for date decisions - decide before october, or in october? (Do we want to decide dates before Columbia Housing guarantees us spots?) | ||
| 00:57:45 | INFO | MrBeige | Columbia housing can commit to spots for us in October |
| 00:57:53 | INFO | MrBeige | Columbia SEAS can commit (almost) anytime |
| 00:58:08 | INFO | MrBeige | HI can commit to us anytime |
| 00:59:08 | INFO | MrBeige | But columbia housing strongly implied multiple times, that if we do decide before october, it will be all right because we can fit in extra cracks, but may not be there "best" building |
| 01:02:57 | INFO | MrBeige | so do we want to decide in a) june b) october c) december ? |
| 01:03:27 | INFO | MrBeige | this highly depends on when the earliest visa peoppple need to know |
| 01:03:49 | AGREED | MrBeige | if they don't need to know dates before october for .ve to get a visa, let's decide in october. if he tells us we do, let's decide in june |
| 01:03:58 | Topic: Make a best estimate dates now. | ||
| 01:04:50 | INFO | MrBeige | weather-wise, there is no real preference |
| 01:05:05 | INFO | Hydroxide | by "best estimate dates" we really mean "ideal approximate dates" |
| 01:05:41 | INFO | Hydroxide | earlier in the summer is cooler, but regardless it'll be cooler than DC9 |
| 01:07:36 | INFO | MrBeige | july is most preferable for now it seems, but not by a huge amount |
| 01:07:42 | Topic: DC10 presentation at DC9 | ||
| 01:09:09 | INFO | Hydroxide | the whole localteam will work on preparing the presentation |
| 01:09:23 | Topic: next meeting | ||
| 01:09:50 | INFO | MrBeige | NYC locals, remember the debian gathering on May 8th evening, location to be decided |
| 01:10:51 | INFO | MrBeige | next meeting trigger points - deciding on dates (if we get info on columbia), frank having good information |
| 01:10:58 | INFO | MrBeige | or presentation discussion |
| 01:12:46 | Topic: any other business ? | ||
| 01:13:48 | INFO | MrBeige | bgupta is collecting press/blog press contacts, send leads to him |
| 01:14:05 | INFO | MrBeige | for US-based leads, mainly |
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