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[20:02:55] &lt;des&gt; well, she was 15' ago<br />
[20:02:56] &lt;Sledge&gt; hey folks<br />
[20:02:57] &lt;Ganneff&gt; lets go on, the first can be done by us anyway.<br />
[20:03:16] &lt;Ganneff&gt; i can say - yes, it works. :)<br />
[20:03:29] &lt;des&gt; indeed<br />
[20:03:29] &lt;Ganneff&gt; des: want to say more?<br />
[20:03:51] * Ganneff knows its a mostly stable link, we have machines running, WAY more setup than we ever had before.<br />
[20:03:55] &lt;des&gt; not really, we still have to pay a bit of that, should be done soon<br />
[20:04:31] &lt;dererk&gt; Hi there<br />
[20:04:40] &lt;Ganneff&gt; so network looks pretty good right now, if noone has questions we can go on<br />
[20:04:56] &lt;Ganneff&gt; #topic Press/penta status<br />
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[20:05:02] &lt;Ganneff&gt; whoever wants the floor: speak<br />
[20:05:14] &lt;des&gt; madduck: around?<br />
[20:05:21] &lt;madduck&gt; des: yes<br />
[20:05:34] &lt;madduck&gt; des: could you give a quick update?<br />
[20:05:37] &lt;des&gt; I only have to say that the press interface for penta is done and working<br />
[20:05:50] &lt;Ganneff&gt; since some days now! :)<br />
[20:05:51] &lt;madduck&gt; awesome. i was really busy the last few days so i wasn't even online<br />
[20:05:59] &lt;madduck&gt; thanks guys, and...<br />
[20:06:05] &lt;madduck&gt; Ganneff: sorry for flipping out a bit the other day<br />
[20:06:21] &lt;des&gt; madduck: mass add should be done by sql mean atm<br />
[20:06:22] &lt;madduck&gt; I will give it a whirl tomorrow and then send out a press release at the start of next week<br />
[20:06:24] &lt;Ganneff&gt; madduck: i just ignored you. :)<br />
[20:06:59] * marga here<br />
[20:07:02] &lt;Ganneff&gt; ok. more for this topic?<br />
[20:07:04] &lt;marga&gt; Sorry for the delay, got caught up while changing computers<br />
[20:07:07] &lt;des&gt; not from me<br />
[20:07:09] &lt;Ganneff&gt; hi marga. i started already. :)<br />
[20:07:15] &lt;madduck&gt; neither from me.<br />
[20:07:18] &lt;Ganneff&gt; #topic Proceedings status<br />
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[20:07:27] &lt;des&gt; Ganneff, Ganneff, Ganneff<br />
[20:07:33] * Ganneff send last reminder today, people should send stuff in until wed<br />
[20:07:33] &lt;marga&gt; I see.<br />
[20:07:58] &lt;madduck&gt; let me investigate that<br />
[20:08:01] &lt;madduck&gt; oops<br />
[20:08:03] &lt;madduck&gt; ECHAN<br />
[20:08:10] * madduck is having gsoc student meeting at the same time<br />
[20:08:20] &lt;an3as&gt; Ganneff: How can submitters know that there paper finally reached penta if they get a mail in any case?<br />
[20:08:23] * zer0mdq here<br />
[20:08:26] &lt;dererk&gt; madduck, thats fun :)<br />
[20:08:36] &lt;Ganneff&gt; an3as: they can just look / they know what they uploaded?<br />
[20:08:40] &lt;marga&gt; Ok, whatever we have by wednesday is what we print?<br />
[20:08:53] &lt;Ganneff&gt; marga: we should take that road, yes.<br />
[20:09:01] &lt;Ganneff&gt; we cant wait for much more, i think<br />
[20:09:09] &lt;marga&gt; No, we can't.<br />
[20:09:10] &lt;an3as&gt; Yep, but reciving a mail if you just uploaded (and see the entry) is a little bit confusing<br />
[20:09:17] &lt;an3as&gt; You might assume that something went wrong<br />
[20:09:26] &lt;Ganneff&gt; well.<br />
[20:09:39] &lt;Ganneff&gt; ok. more for this topic?<br />
[20:09:52] &lt;marga&gt; So, papers are uploaded to penta?  Can we easily know if there are papers there?<br />
[20:10:18] &lt;an3as&gt; I just have withdrawn one of my papers in penta<br />
[20:10:20] &lt;Ganneff&gt; hrm. good question.<br />
[20:10:34] &lt;an3as&gt; Hope other people will do the same if they will not meet the deadline<br />
[20:10:50] &lt;marga&gt; an3as: I don't think so.<br />
[20:11:08] &lt;Ganneff&gt; marga: i know which events should have papers, its not a big list, so will do something based on that for wednesday.<br />
[20:11:24] &lt;Ganneff&gt; should be doable with some sql query, from me/mhy/sgran<br />
[20:12:12] &lt;marga&gt; Ok.  Will send mail to rt.<br />
[20:12:15] &lt;marga&gt; Next?<br />
[20:12:23] &lt;Ganneff&gt; #action one of ganneff/mhy/sgran will use some sql magic and in the end send papers@ (or whoever else) the uploaded papers, see rt mail from marga<br />
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[20:12:26] &lt;Ganneff&gt; #topic Incoming/outgoing funds status (including payments to hotel, plan for travel sponsorship payments)<br />
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[20:12:50] &lt;marga&gt; Uhm. We are only missing one small payment for the hotel.<br />
[20:13:03] &lt;marga&gt; And several other smaller payments to different people.<br />
[20:13:11] &lt;marga&gt; Regarding travel refunds, I have no idea<br />
[20:13:22] &lt;Ganneff&gt; do we have enough money in .ar to do all the refund there?<br />
[20:13:36] &lt;Ganneff&gt; or do we plan to have enough during dc8?<br />
[20:13:51] &lt;marga&gt; No, only if Nokia's money comes in.<br />
[20:14:02] &lt;marga&gt; I've pinged and got no answer.  Will ping again.<br />
[20:14:05] &lt;Ganneff&gt; so we run on the following, i would say:<br />
[20:14:12] &lt;an3as&gt; Isn't it clever to leave some of Nokias money in Europe?<br />
[20:14:25] &lt;des&gt; an3as: too late for that<br />
[20:14:29] &lt;marga&gt; an3as: getting money out of Nokia has proved to be quite difficult.<br />
[20:14:30] &lt;Ganneff&gt; we plan to do it like dc7, using traveller cheques. if that doesnt work out, we do it like for dc6, by money transfer later on.<br />
[20:14:31] &lt;an3as&gt; Just not wasting money in exchange?<br />
[20:14:47] &lt;Ganneff&gt; and use whatever money we have in .ar for cheques for people outside .eu<br />
[20:14:58] &lt;an3as&gt; OK<br />
[20:15:20] &lt;Ganneff&gt; like those in the us, or brasil or something, where money transfers might not be a nice thing like in the eu<br />
[20:15:29] &lt;des&gt; traveller cheques? dunno about that, never used them<br />
[20:15:36] &lt;Ganneff&gt; des: they are *perfect*<br />
[20:15:40] &lt;des&gt; and, isn't that more expensive?<br />
[20:15:49] &lt;Ganneff&gt; des: like money, but if you lose them you can still get all money<br />
[20:15:49] &lt;Ganneff&gt; no<br />
[20:16:14] &lt;Ganneff&gt; you just go to your bank at home and get the money (into your bank account), done.<br />
[20:16:18] &lt;Ganneff&gt; or use it in a hotel. etc.<br />
[20:16:36] &lt;des&gt; Ganneff: when is the conversion from ARS to $whatever done?<br />
[20:16:36] &lt;Ganneff&gt; if you lose it - you mail us (orga), we can reclaim the money, you get it a bit later.<br />
[20:16:46] &lt;Ganneff&gt; des: one gets them in USD<br />
[20:17:00] &lt;Ganneff&gt; so its done for us when we get them, for the people when they go to the bank<br />
[20:17:06] &lt;des&gt; Ganneff: so we (debconf) pay for that?<br />
[20:17:07] &lt;marga&gt; Ganneff: so, the conversion is done at the bank?<br />
[20:17:12] &lt;marga&gt; Ganneff: how do we get them?<br />
[20:17:20] &lt;Ganneff&gt; marga: ask the bank where the debconf account is<br />
[20:17:25] &lt;Ganneff&gt; they usually hand them out.<br />
[20:17:26] &lt;des&gt; o noes<br />
[20:17:58] &lt;Ganneff&gt; Maulkin might have more details for you. or the website of american express or that other company doing them.<br />
[20:18:06] * des is still not sure about gratuitous conversion of currency for non-us ppl<br />
[20:18:06] &lt;Ganneff&gt; since dc7 i like them :)<br />
[20:18:19] &lt;Ganneff&gt; des: we convert at some point anyway<br />
[20:18:32] &lt;Ganneff&gt; there isnt much point in thinking about it for us.<br />
[20:18:32] &lt;des&gt; Ganneff: yes, but the money is in ARS, now<br />
[20:18:45] &lt;Ganneff&gt; and?<br />
[20:18:56] &lt;Ganneff&gt; we know usd from people, so we convert that to a value in ars and hand it people.<br />
[20:19:07] &lt;Ganneff&gt; not much different than converting some ars to usd for the cheques?<br />
[20:19:15] &lt;marga&gt; well, not much point in discussing this.  Let's just try to investigate this, find out if there are any costs associated and then decide.<br />
[20:19:18] &lt;Ganneff&gt; especially as they then have to go and convert ars to something usable<br />
[20:19:25] &lt;Ganneff&gt; yup.<br />
[20:19:34] &lt;des&gt; marga++<br />
[20:19:41] &lt;Ganneff&gt; the above are my suggestions on how to do it, based on experience from the past.<br />
[20:19:53] &lt;Ganneff&gt; what we do, well, people know "you get told later", that should be enough.<br />
[20:19:56] &lt;Ganneff&gt; also<br />
[20:20:16] &lt;Ganneff&gt; do you have some insane laws like .mx had, requiring us to store passport copies of everyone we hand money too?<br />
[20:20:31] &lt;Ganneff&gt; so you could show them that the money wasnt used for $illegalcrap<br />
[20:20:39] &lt;marga&gt; Ganneff: no, that part is easy, we have a receipt that the sign, and that's it.<br />
[20:20:44] &lt;des&gt; ?<br />
[20:20:46] &lt;des&gt; no<br />
[20:20:52] &lt;Ganneff&gt; good.<br />
[20:21:02] &lt;Ganneff&gt; #topic Conference dinner<br />
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[20:21:12] * des is happy at least 1 insane laws does not apply in .ar<br />
[20:21:25] &lt;marga&gt; This one is still in planning, but it will most probably be like this<br />
[20:21:41] &lt;marga&gt; 1) Will happen in the alternate venue (the one we are not using because we aren't so many.<br />
[20:21:53] &lt;marga&gt; 2) Will include some typical argentinian food (empanadas)<br />
[20:22:31] &lt;marga&gt; 3) Will include a couple of shows of "folklore" (typical argentinian music) and "tango" with participative dancing (à la dc7)<br />
[20:22:31] &lt;paravoid&gt; why (1)?<br />
[20:22:40] &lt;Ganneff&gt; sounds good<br />
[20:22:45] &lt;Ganneff&gt; paravoid: to see something different?<br />
[20:22:53] &lt;marga&gt; paravoid: because we have a big empty place there, and also so that it's different.<br />
[20:23:00] &lt;marga&gt; (and we don't have to pay extra)<br />
[20:23:30] &lt;marga&gt; All this still has to be confirmed, but that's the basic idea.<br />
[20:23:42] &lt;Ganneff&gt; and it fits in whatever you had in budget?<br />
[20:23:51] &lt;marga&gt; Oh, and for us it's the "Debian 15 years party", not the "Conference dinner"<br />
[20:24:00] &lt;Ganneff&gt; hehe.<br />
[20:24:06] &lt;Ganneff&gt; should rename the event in pentabarf<br />
[20:24:12] &lt;marga&gt; Ganneff: actually it's much cheaper, because the food and place are included in the hotel budget, we only have to pay for the music.<br />
[20:24:19] &lt;Ganneff&gt; marga: nice<br />
[20:24:27] &lt;marga&gt; yep<br />
[20:24:53] &lt;Ganneff&gt; ok. anything else on this?<br />
[20:24:59] &lt;marga&gt; I don't think so.<br />
[20:25:14] &lt;Ganneff&gt; #topic Day trip<br />
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[20:25:24] &lt;marga&gt; This one is unsettled yet.<br />
[20:25:35] &lt;marga&gt; We have quite a bunch of options, of several different prices.<br />
[20:25:48] &lt;an3as&gt; Is there any list of options?<br />
[20:25:49] &lt;Ganneff&gt; (renamed the event to fit the new 15 years title) :)<br />
[20:25:59] &lt;an3as&gt; Ganneff: ;-))<br />
[20:26:55] &lt;marga&gt; an3as: there are basically 2 options: 1) a tour around the city having lunch at the harbour (very nice restaurants if you like fish and seafood), 2) a trip to a near place called "Sierra de los Padres" where we could eat "asado" (similar to barbaque).<br />
[20:27:05] &lt;Ganneff&gt; marga: if it fits in budget - take the option that localteam thinks is best for a few hundred international attendees to get at least a little knowledge of .ar outside debconf :)<br />
[20:28:06] &lt;des&gt; obviously you don't know .ar if you don't eat asado here, but we need to think something for vegans too<br />
[20:28:21] &lt;marga&gt; Ganneff: well, none of the options is really too tempting.  But we have the preliminary prices, we have to figure out which one is the most interesting.<br />
[20:29:10] &lt;Ganneff&gt; you are doing that during this week, so for next meeting?<br />
[20:29:15] &lt;marga&gt; yes<br />
[20:29:23] &lt;marga&gt; I've recruited a local volunteer for this.<br />
[20:29:29] &lt;Ganneff&gt; good, so we can discuss then in a week<br />
[20:29:30] &lt;an3as&gt; I have read in my guide book about "asado" - just want that. ;-))<br />
[20:29:32] &lt;Ganneff&gt; good.<br />
[20:29:48] &lt;an3as&gt; Honestly: I'd like to see landscape without concrete!<br />
[20:29:54] &lt;an3as&gt; Pampas, whatever<br />
[20:29:54] &lt;Ganneff&gt; #action one local volunteer will try to find out which daytrip option is best, report next week<br />
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[20:29:57] &lt;gwolf&gt; an3as: Wrong region :)<br />
[20:30:03] &lt;gwolf&gt; flat flat flat grassland ;-)<br />
[20:30:04] &lt;an3as&gt; I know<br />
[20:30:12] &lt;Ganneff&gt; more to this?<br />
[20:30:17] &lt;marga&gt; No, next?<br />
[20:30:19] &lt;Ganneff&gt; #topic AOB?<br />
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[20:30:20] &lt;Ganneff&gt; i have one:<br />
[20:30:21] &lt;an3as&gt; But flat grassland without concrete is fine as well<br />
[20:30:24] &lt;dererk&gt; an3as, http://www.cioc.com.ar/PDF/JA/asado.pdf   :)<br />
[20:30:30] &lt;Ganneff&gt; next meeting in one week, dont miss! (Hi h01ger :) )<br />
[20:30:44] &lt;Ganneff&gt; but i actually might miss, as im flying down to .ar on that day, dont know if i have internet again then<br />
[20:30:48] &lt;Ganneff&gt; already<br />
[20:31:01] &lt;Ganneff&gt; anyone else somethign to say during meeting time?<br />
[20:31:11] &lt;dererk&gt; not me<br />
[20:31:12] &lt;Ganneff&gt; oh<br />
[20:31:15] &lt;des&gt; nope<br />
[20:31:24] &lt;Ganneff&gt; does someone prepare a "attendee help sheet" like thing?<br />
[20:31:24] &lt;an3as&gt; Schedule!<br />
[20:31:34] &lt;an3as&gt; Did anybody have a look?<br />
[20:31:44] &lt;Ganneff&gt; like - bring this and that power connector, if you arrive go left, 300m, right, there bus, go lala, etc?<br />
[20:31:48] &lt;marga&gt; Things are generally doing good.  The big missing thing is DebianDay.  But we hope to figure it out.<br />
[20:31:54] &lt;an3as&gt; Vanessa and me regard it as "somehow" ready<br />
[20:32:02] &lt;marga&gt; Ganneff: the arrival page is there.<br />
[20:32:06] &lt;madduck&gt; Ganneff: why a sheet? sounds like a wiki page to me...<br />
[20:32:15] &lt;sgran&gt; that's good too<br />
[20:32:17] &lt;Ganneff&gt; madduck: something printable, no matter where.<br />
[20:32:17] &lt;marga&gt; an3as: is it available? I couldn't find it.<br />
[20:32:18] &lt;an3as&gt; This means we do not really know what we should do now ...<br />
[20:32:26] &lt;Ganneff&gt; marga: pentabarf admin interface<br />
[20:32:38] &lt;marga&gt; Ganneff: but I've been thinking of making a cheat sheet, yes.<br />
[20:32:38] &lt;an3as&gt; Ganneff: can everybody of the team have a look?<br />
[20:32:43] &lt;Ganneff&gt; an3as: if you are ready i can export it for the team to look at it<br />
[20:32:55] &lt;an3as&gt; Well, this is our first draft.<br />
[20:33:08] &lt;an3as&gt; We do not really know about all the keynotes<br />
[20:33:19] &lt;an3as&gt; and those mysterial "unofficial" stuff<br />
[20:33:24] &lt;Ganneff&gt; will look at export and then tell team about it.<br />
[20:33:26] &lt;an3as&gt; and late comers ... and<br />
[20:33:45] &lt;Ganneff&gt; an3as: unofficial are all non-selected talks (those that still want) and late-comers<br />
[20:34:06] &lt;Ganneff&gt; those you dont see as accepted are that.<br />
[20:34:17] &lt;marga&gt; an3as: mako is not coming, his talk should be cancelled<br />
[20:34:22] &lt;an3as&gt; Yep, and what to do with all these *now*<br />
[20:34:23] &lt;Ganneff&gt; (will set them accepted in a batch shortly before schedule is public for the masses)<br />
[20:34:31] &lt;an3as&gt; marga: Ahh, OK<br />
[20:34:39] &lt;Ganneff&gt; an3as: schedule em somewhere where you have a slot?<br />
[20:34:48] &lt;an3as&gt; At least I could take over his derivers roundtable event<br />
[20:35:07] &lt;an3as&gt; Just asked for this event myself and then stepped back ...<br />
[20:35:25] &lt;luciano&gt; gwolf, your talk in debianday appears many times at penta<br />
[20:35:30] &lt;Ganneff&gt; an3as: fine. take it.<br />
[20:35:33] &lt;marga&gt; an3as: the "herding wild cats" talk is a DebianDay talk, I think.  And Steve's DPL talk seems to be missing.  It should be in the place of Herding Wild cats.<br />
[20:35:38] &lt;an3as&gt; Ganneff: I'd like to have more people having a look at the current status.<br />
[20:35:45] &lt;gwolf&gt; luciano: I promise to give it only once (:<br />
[20:35:48] &lt;Ganneff&gt; an3as: yesyes, already noted :)<br />
[20:36:03] &lt;Ganneff&gt; ok. more for this meeting right now?<br />
[20:36:32] &lt;gwolf&gt; luciano: It was registered twice, and I was unable to delete one of them<br />
[20:36:39] &lt;Ganneff&gt; doesnt look like.<br />
[20:36:41] &lt;marga&gt; Ganneff: no, I think we can keep talking about the schedule.<br />
[20:36:47] &lt;gwolf&gt; so... Ganneff/des: could you kill event 308 or 309 (but not both)?<br />
[20:36:48] &lt;Ganneff&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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