18:59:53 #startmeeting 18:59:53 Meeting started Mon Apr 11 18:59:53 2011 UTC. The chair is darst. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:59:53 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:02 say hi if you are here 19:00:08 two questions: a) who can write the summary? 19:00:14 hi 19:00:15 Hi! I'm here, though really to listen. 19:00:18 b) who can take over chairing if I have to run? 19:00:19 hey 19:00:22 hi 19:00:23 #chair h01ger gwolf 19:00:23 Current chairs: darst gwolf h01ger 19:00:31 MeetBot: noooo! 19:00:31 gwolf: Error: "noooo!" is not a valid command. 19:00:36 darst: noooo! 19:00:39 * gwolf cannot chair 19:00:42 sorry 19:00:51 you can chair someone else who can chair, if needed, that is all 19:00:54 it would be like leaving the chair empty 19:01:09 darst: I am very tempted to leave the channel 19:01:10 sorry 19:01:13 cannot devote attention 19:01:40 ok, don't worry... we will do fine without you 19:01:54 paulproteus: and hopefully to help (?) 19:02:05 anyone else ? 19:02:32 #topic DC10 final report 19:02:33 * h01ger waves 19:02:56 #info nothing new here, still waiting or DC9 numbers from FFIS so that I can give good budget data for DC10 (mainly about surpluses) 19:02:59 * h01ger would like to have a "smaller" pdf, if thats easily possible 19:03:08 mailing 36mb is not really cool :) 19:03:09 schultmc: DC9 budget data? 19:03:33 #action tiago creates a smaller DC10 final report pdf (current one is 36MB) 19:03:42 #topic Local updates - accommodation 19:03:48 AbsintheSyringe: anything new ? 19:04:03 darst, hotels are registered 19:04:30 payments will prolly have to be made after debconf, in case it's somewhat different we'll be notified by hotels 19:04:35 can you mail us a report about how many rooms in each hotel, when we need to pay, cancelation or unused rooms policies? 19:04:42 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Documentation/Accommodation 19:04:57 http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Accommodation 19:05:15 darst, I'm having problem with that 19:05:20 one should be deleted / made to point to the other one 19:05:31 to put it simple, draw it as you want it and I'll have hotels make that for you 19:05:46 otherwise it's all said on accomodation wiki 19:05:47 h01ger: I tried asking that before... 19:06:04 AbsintheSyringe, so the prices in the second url are the ones we're getting? 19:06:30 h01ger, mhm 19:06:42 can't go lower then that 19:06:52 AbsintheSyringe: ideally we want an infinite number of rooms reserved, and we only pay for what we use, which we only know of each night 19:07:09 AbsintheSyringe: but that probably isn't feasible, so we need to guess, and know cancelation policies, etc 19:07:22 darst, that's the plan, we can't know that until the registration process is finished 19:07:29 darst, I believe I explained those in wiki page 19:07:40 at least I tried to explain all the info I know 19:07:43 AbsintheSyringe, can you please merge those two wiki pages into one?! (or delegate that job to someone in case you're busy) 19:07:58 but someone who understands the deals with the hotels needs to do this 19:08:15 * gwolf tries to read along 19:08:22 h01ger, http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Documentation/Accommodation and http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Accommodation 19:08:23 ? 19:08:36 yes 19:08:43 it'll be done, if not by me then someone will take care of it 19:08:46 AbsintheSyringe: having a top "status" section on DebConf11/Accommodation would make more sense than a separate page 19:08:56 (same for all of the pages...) 19:09:00 AbsintheSyringe, great. once that is done, we can update the budget :) 19:09:25 AbsintheSyringe: do you know when we have to pay deposits? 19:09:38 or if we do. If you don't know now, when will we know? 19:09:39 darst, they didn't mention anything 19:09:43 (or if at all) 19:09:58 we may not need to pay it all 19:10:09 so far nothing, once they tell me something regarding this I'll let you know 19:10:11 so far nothing 19:10:16 ok, great 19:10:28 if we reserve 300 rooms, and only 200 people come, how many rooms do we pay for? 19:10:57 200 19:11:00 that is amount we use 19:11:05 and you are sure of that? 19:11:06 as I suggested in wiki 19:11:14 it would be best if we used all the capacity we got 19:11:15 yes 19:11:18 darst, it makes sense too :) 19:11:23 as we won't be able to get it elsewhere 19:11:26 (not that that ultimatly matters ;) 19:11:31 yea 19:11:33 #info if we reserve 300 rooms, and only use 300, then we only pay for 200 19:11:48 in case we don't occupy it someone else will so ... we're the ones losing as we got them by these great prices 19:11:49 so we don't need to worry about accurate numbers for a while, which is good 19:11:57 move on? or is there something to discuss now? 19:12:04 anything more for accom? 19:12:15 #topic Local updates - food 19:12:15 or: what will happen if we get 400? then dorms? 19:12:21 not really, the hotels are reserved don't need to worry anything regarding that until further notice 19:12:28 h01ger, yep 19:12:29 h01ger: dorms it says 19:12:30 darst: the #info es bad 19:12:35 "if we reserve 300 rooms, and only use 300, then we only pay for 200" 19:12:50 f00d! ;) 19:12:54 #info correction: if we reserve 300 rooms, and only use 200, then we only pay for 200 19:13:01 * h01ger actually has food to eat now \o/ :) 19:13:06 h01ger, we'll provide accommodation and food for 400, more then that we're not responsible for 19:13:13 I don't think there's much more to say about food, is there? 19:13:16 yeh, I'm kinda hungry too :) 19:13:18 food is done by the hotel kitchen? 19:13:19 what about food? 19:13:23 yeh 19:13:31 * darst doesn't think theres more for here... 19:13:35 we'll have breakfast at the places we are staying 19:13:38 (just making sure...) 19:13:43 lunch and dinner (everybody together in Bosna) 19:13:55 for up to 400 people 19:14:06 #info Breakfast at the hotels people sleep in, lunch and dinner in Bosna all together 19:14:15 wide selection of food available, served as banquet 19:14:22 * AbsintheSyringe *nods 19:14:23 #topic Local updates - venue 19:14:29 anything further here? 19:14:34 nah 19:14:35 it's ours :) 19:14:39 no changes there 19:14:58 I was thinking we'll need a Debian flag to put it on Venue building :) 19:15:01 let it hang 19:15:18 sometime in the next weeks to months, getting room sizes, layouts, power/network, and perhaps maps would be good 19:15:25 but that isn't to do at this meeting 19:15:27 a map 19:15:29 yep, that's the plan 19:15:32 we have a plan 19:15:36 (even a rough one) 19:15:41 "a plan" ? 19:15:42 that every attendee once he's finished with front desk 19:15:43 at venue 19:15:53 he'll get a map, phone numbers/emails everything 19:16:14 as he'll be able to go to the pools and so on 19:16:17 we mean a blueprint of the venue rooms so that people like video team can make their plan 19:16:18 AbsintheSyringe, no, we, video team etc would like to have a map in a month or less, so we can plan cablign etc 19:16:21 he/she* 19:16:28 ah 19:16:32 h01ger, ok, makes sense 19:16:46 it doesnt have to be 100% exact, 90-95% is good enough :) 19:16:47 darst, ok, I'll prolly get that for you next time I'm in Banja Luka 19:16:51 here is an example I did, since we didn't have much else: http://rkd.zgib.net/http/debconf/old-dc10-stuff/venue-maps.pdf 19:16:58 you'll just give me exact instructions 19:17:21 right right 19:17:22 ok no problem 19:17:28 how about this: talk to the venue staff and ask for the blueprints they have 19:17:35 that would be the best! 19:17:36 I'll let you know once I'm ready to make one 19:17:42 * gwolf breathes finally - seems I solved a spammer using my servers :-/ 19:17:47 * gwolf comes back and tries to read 19:17:52 darst, sounds good, I could take pictures as well 19:17:57 then if you can send someone to record locations and quantities of electrical outlets 19:17:59 so you can make visual image of how it was planned 19:18:10 k 19:18:37 (bonus question: ask for 120 amps of power combined in the hacklab areas) 19:18:47 let's move on, this can happen out of meeting 19:18:50 #topic Registration 19:18:53 registration is openend 19:18:58 so far so good 19:19:14 #link http://rkd.zgib.net/http/debconf/registration-data.txt has running registration data 19:19:17 139 in 4 days 19:19:20 pretty impressed :) 19:19:27 darst, yea kudos for that one 19:19:28 we need ot set up registration@debconf.org 19:19:59 I was going to get nattie, maybe tiago, tassia if they are interested + a few local people on registration@ 19:20:23 (and some people who can view financial data to manage payments) 19:20:28 any problems with that? 19:20:49 not if ask you me 19:21:36 reg closes on the 8th 19:21:37 there should be locals on that alias too - raise your hands :) 19:21:52 when should reconfirmation be ? 19:21:59 um ... I think out of all locals only vanja is here right now 19:22:14 darst, 1st? 19:22:16 h01ger: some had volunteered before, i'll look at /Teams and ping out of meeting 19:22:17 or too late 19:22:20 darst, asap after it closes. usually it takes us 2-4 weeks, sometimes more 19:22:43 * darst thought reconfirmation was based on when we had to have final rooms and so on 19:22:44 ah, from the attendes you mean, or from us? 19:22:55 * AbsintheSyringe confused 19:22:58 attendees reconfirming their attendance 19:23:19 3 weeks after registration? 19:23:24 h01ger: I mean the classic "Reconfirmation deadline" 19:23:24 reconfirmation is still closed 19:23:32 and it's usually opened ~1month before DC 19:23:39 ah 19:24:08 also first we need to decide if they get sponsorship, then they reconfirm 19:24:23 reconfirmation starts june 1, ends july 1 ? (If we can still cancel rooms without paying for them) 19:24:43 we'll pay the rooms once we know the exact number we'll use 19:24:53 darst, see above. its (a bit) pointless to set a date now, when we dont know when we'll confirm them 19:24:54 we cna't decide that one until the registrations aren't closed 19:25:03 yea 19:25:08 h01ger: confirm what? 19:25:09 maybe we should discuss this at our next meeting 19:25:26 yeah 19:25:28 darst, that the applied for sponsorship is granted 19:25:39 h01ger: oh, ok 19:25:49 let's discuss later, we are all confused now... 19:25:52 #topic Talks 19:26:02 #info CfP was sent. Anything else to do now? 19:26:11 no 19:26:19 nope 19:26:21 who can we get on the talks@ alias? gwolf, can you be the contact person for now? 19:26:43 uff... yes, as I raised my hand, I have to accept 19:26:48 but we really need a team 19:26:57 I was thinking a bit on that 19:27:02 but don't have anything on it 19:27:16 we can always add people as we go along, I was just wanting to make sure people could get useful answers now 19:27:23 (still, we aready have some talks submitted :) ) 19:27:30 I am not a good source for answers 19:27:32 if they had questions/problems 19:27:44 s/good/reliable at least 19:27:53 can you either relay questions, or find someone else ? 19:27:57 of course 19:28:01 that I'll do 19:28:06 (I'm just complaining to myself) 19:28:13 and I'll work on finiding a suitable team 19:28:14 #action gwolf relays questions from talks@, or finds someone to answer from that alias 19:28:15 during this week 19:28:24 thanks 19:28:32 #topic Fundraising 19:28:42 ok 19:28:47 first question: who has contacted sponsors ? 19:28:52 no one 19:28:54 * h01ger a bit 19:28:59 and zumbi iirc 19:29:00 I am worried we haven't got many people working on this 19:29:11 zumbi has, i've seen in svn checkins 19:29:12 I'm actually hugely disappointed with fundraising as no one is doing anything, 19:29:35 Sledge and Clint also have contacted companies 19:29:43 and anto 19:29:46 I said I'll do the contacting and I still stand by my words 19:29:47 AbsintheSyringe: you mean no one local? 19:29:52 but I want contacts 19:29:55 darst, or global 19:29:59 there was no one on the meeting! 19:30:02 AbsintheSyringe, and you too i think, but nothing is in sponsors-table?! (svn) 19:30:27 we need to come up with solution what we gonna do regarding this 19:30:28 hey! 19:30:31 zumbi: hi! 19:30:38 I think everybody is relaying on money we got from govt. adn that's it 19:30:42 zumbi: are you the Acting Head of Fundraising Team ? 19:30:59 (or can you accept that responsibilyt now :) ? ) 19:31:02 uhmm not really, just helping out 19:31:09 AbsintheSyringe, did you notice taht what you said is wrong? 5 or 6 people contacted sponsors! (6 if you also did..) 19:31:26 I did not want to override Clint or DrDub 19:31:37 h01ger, I'm just saying what happened on last sponsorship meeting 19:31:37 * h01ger agrees that too little is happening - but i would like to get the facts straight 19:31:44 yes! 19:31:49 * AbsintheSyringe *agrees with h01ger 19:31:51 first question: who has contacted sponsors ? 19:31:52 no one 19:31:53 it wrong 19:31:57 #action darst pings various people to find an head of team 19:31:58 good that we agree on this 19:32:05 that's what I'd like to see something happening, as very little is happening 19:32:09 I am also short of time.. not sure I can commit to that task as a head 19:32:25 has everyone been putting their contacts in sponsors-table ? 19:32:38 AbsintheSyringe: have you looked at dc11/sponsors-table, or past years sponsors-tables ? 19:32:43 AbsintheSyringe, and again: you have no one to complain to. you (plural..) said you're going to dc11 - so dont it and dont complain about other people not doing it 19:32:44 zumbi: are you in #debconf-sponsors ? 19:32:54 yes 19:32:59 s/so dont it/so do it/ 19:33:00 darst, yea 19:33:04 h01ger, I realized that 19:33:09 AbsintheSyringe, are you in #debconf-sponsors ? 19:33:10 yay 19:33:13 darst, yep 19:33:26 darst, I could be the head, what would be my assignment? 19:33:42 can I get an invite/allowance to #debconf-sponsors to lurk ? 19:33:53 but everytime I have problem getting into #debconf-sponsors cuz I need someone to invite me 19:33:58 AbsintheSyringe: be aware of what is going on, prod people gently, be able to give a report 19:33:59 me too 19:34:04 AbsintheSyringe, i'm so insisting on that one as this will go on (and get "worse") for the next 3 months :) 19:34:18 h01ger: could I get invite/config permissions on #debconf-sponsors ? 19:34:23 darst, yes 19:34:28 Sledge: ^ 19:34:31 thanks 19:34:32 h01ger, could you please add me on auto invite? 19:35:11 Sledge: nevermind.. :) 19:35:32 darst: i have been trying to contact some sponsors, but not the big ones 19:36:19 AbsintheSyringe, if you tell me the syntax to copy+paste... you're a member an can join anytime. so tell your client to behave :) 19:36:40 what deadline do we have for tshirts (&bags) ? 19:36:47 wh will print tshirts? 19:36:48 is anyone tracking / being away of who is contacting which sponsors, and making sure none are missed? 19:36:51 who will print tshirts? 19:37:13 h01ger, there I told "him" :) 19:37:20 darst, not really all we have is svn+ssh://holger@svn.debian.org/svn/debconf-team/dc11/sponsors-table and a queue in rt 19:37:25 kinda too early for that, no? 19:37:33 AbsintheSyringe: you had mentioned making shirts locally, can we get some quotes + deadlines for local t-shirt printing ? 19:37:52 so we can know the general timeline and compare to our usual source ? 19:37:52 re: shirts, if they are as expensive in Bosnia as in the rest of Europe, I can also get Gaby in touch with whoever coordinates the graphical part this year\ 19:37:56 AbsintheSyringe, one sponsor asked for a deadline today. they probably need to get their logo ready or i dunno :) 19:38:49 gwolf: can you send me gaby's address so I (or someone) can mail asking for prelim quote ? 19:39:04 darst: of course (prv) 19:39:43 IIRC it's historically been close to the US$5 per shirt - but I might be mistaken 19:39:48 ok, moving on... 19:39:55 #topic Budget 19:40:08 #info can we get tshirts printed (and bought) for less than USD5 in bosnia? 19:40:08 do we know anything more here besides the hotel/food information? 19:40:38 we should put "some sum" in for travelsponsorship. i would suggest 30k € 19:40:53 AbsintheSyringe: it will eventually be important to know prices, but also _when_ we need to pay, so we can make sure to have the money _before_ then 19:40:53 and maybe special dinner, 2k € too? 19:41:11 and the sooner we can get preliminary quotes for things like busses, the better 19:41:17 just let me know and I'll keep the budget updated 19:41:18 and tshirts will be 1-1.5k € 19:41:27 darst, see backlog here :) 19:41:46 yes, will do after meeting 19:41:55 maybe we should add another column, "predicted/estimated costs" (and "real costs")? 19:42:16 AbsintheSyringe: also, critical this year, is each time money is actually sent, I should know so that I can keep it all in a ledger 19:42:32 h01ger: I'll sort that out either in spereadsheet or in a ledger, hopefully in a ledger 19:42:46 so we can check with bank accounts easily 19:43:08 darst, as long as there is a "txt report" (or such) i can view without ledger - yay. (and as long as someone updates it) 19:43:13 h01ger, do you think I could mail FFIS and get DC11 earmark set up / that arranged, or should someone they know ? 19:43:59 darst, its on my (very next) list, i was just taking care of my arms... but i'll do mail them before friday for sure, probably earlier 19:44:00 AbsintheSyringe: hi. what was the last line you saw? 19:44:12 sorry about that 19:44:15 last thing I got was 19:44:16 [21:37] AbsintheSyringe: you had mentioned making shirts locally, can we get some quotes + deadlines for local t-shirt printing ? 19:44:21 h01ger, I can write for you / I could send and you could follow up saying "listen to darst"... 19:44:27 I said should I ask about the begs as well? 19:44:30 heh 19:44:37 bags* 19:44:38 darst, sure. +thx 19:44:39 :D 19:44:44 I've just phoned for an info on t-shirts: a square meter of material would be up to 35EUR in Banjaluka, B&H 19:45:04 vanja, we need prices per shirt :) 19:45:06 (that's just for the print, multiple colours) 19:45:14 vanja, but cool, keep on! 19:45:15 AbsintheSyringe: yes, any quotes we can get will let us decide on bosnia sooner 19:45:31 darst, spi has a dc11 earmark etc? 19:45:32 well, that depends on how big the logos that go onto a shirt are 19:45:34 vanja: carry on, and send to -team when you've got innfo 19:45:34 darst, k 19:45:44 h01ger: , I'll ask SPI, schultmc has been pretty busy lately... 19:46:01 vanja, go to the wiki and search for dc10 shirt designs, or dc9, or 8... 11 will be similar 19:46:10 15:41 < darst> AbsintheSyringe: it will eventually be important to know prices, but also _when_ we need to pay, so we can make sure to have the money _before_ then 19:46:13 15:41 < darst> and the sooner we can get preliminary quotes for things like busses, the better 19:46:14 AbsintheSyringe2, about diva: do you know if they got the agreement from zack? 19:46:15 15:41 < darst> just let me know and I'll keep the budget updated 19:46:18 15:42 < darst> AbsintheSyringe: also, critical this year, is each time money is actually sent, I should know so that I can keep it all in a ledger 19:46:27 AbsintheSyringe2: those were the important things for you 19:46:34 * h01ger holds on his 2nd question not to DOS AbsintheSyringe2 :) 19:46:35 h01ger, they got it, President signed it today, didn't send it 19:46:42 AbsintheSyringe2, yay 19:46:49 AbsintheSyringe2, thanks 19:46:56 they will send one copy back to zack? 19:46:56 darst, k I'll find that one out 19:47:19 well yea, prolly tomorrow as I wanted this meeting to end 19:47:22 AbsintheSyringe2, will I be able to view the DebConf balance at DIVA anyhow? Or who should I email to get all that data? 19:47:30 (oh... does DIVA have the gov money yet?) 19:47:32 AbsintheSyringe2, and my 2nd question: did diva already receive 150k € for us from govt? :) 19:47:43 to see what will happen with fundraiser 19:48:04 darst, yes, apparently so 19:48:14 h01ger, not yeat, should any day now 19:48:23 * h01ger nods 19:48:30 darst, I told her to check with accountant if there's gonna be any problems 19:48:39 giving that money back 19:49:02 but 19:49:05 as I previously said 19:49:23 AbsintheSyringe2, i have problems following you atm (last 4-5 lines) 19:49:29 it would be the best if diva/govt paid for all the stuff except the travel costs 19:49:54 yes, we'll try to 19:49:55 h01ger, yea, something wrong with my isp as it seems 19:49:56 +do that 19:50:05 * AbsintheSyringe2 *thumbs up 19:50:17 next? 19:50:30 but I need, as much as possible, raw financial data from the banks/ accounts... so try to work on that 19:50:35 #topic Cooperation with publicity team 19:50:56 there was a thread on this, don't have much to say now 19:51:03 Tolimar: ? 19:51:12 all I can say is we need to try to have drafts earlier... 19:51:29 do we have any upcoming announcements that need coordination? 19:51:36 * h01ger suggest we add the info from the thread to wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Press and add a "DebConf: Manual" category tag for the debconfs to come 19:51:57 #action darst adds a Press item to DebConf_Manual and updates from this thread 19:52:04 (and then send it to -publicity for feedback) 19:52:12 * h01ger put an entry into DPN (any DD can do that...) so we'll get a reminder for people in a few weeks automatically 19:52:23 (about cfp and registration) 19:52:32 #topic DebConf12 dates 19:52:38 dam, next announcement is probably something about sponsorship/registration 19:52:39 Anyone from DC12 here ? 19:52:44 * n0rman here 19:52:47 darst, yes 19:52:51 * mmgc84 here 19:53:24 #info Option A: DebCamp from Sun.1st/July to Sat.7/July ; DebConf from Sun.8/July to Sat.14/July 19:53:31 * h01ger thinks localteam knows best when debconf fits in their city. check with usual dates like guadec, kernel summit, etc 19:54:07 hm, yeah 19:54:34 have you all checked that? (we couldn't really for DC10, since we didn't have enough options for us to really have a choice) 19:54:57 can we #agree, to let local team decide among the options after checking some major conference dates? 19:54:58 darst, I couldn't find any events on those dates 19:55:09 * h01ger agrees on that 19:55:46 here is a link with other conferences: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/OtherConfs 19:55:52 * darst doesn't nkow which are most important there 19:56:01 * darst can't be very helpful on dates 19:56:04 darst, thanks 19:56:45 next? 19:56:46 we'll check those events then and get back to -team 19:56:47 #agreed local team checks other confs, and decides. Can mail list for final choices/options 19:56:57 #topic Any other business / next meeting / who writes summary? 19:57:01 * darst can write summary 19:57:06 this is an easy meeting to 19:57:09 #action darst writes summary 19:57:10 I was thinking 19:57:15 Next meeting in two weeks ? 19:57:20 * h01ger likes 19:57:21 could registrations be extended to certain period of time? 19:57:41 as on 16-th of may I'm going to currently what's biggest linux conference on balkans 19:57:42 AbsintheSyringe: people can keep registering after may 8th, they just don't get sponsorship 19:57:43 AbsintheSyringe, registration is always open. sponsored registration will be closed, so we can get a stable budget 19:57:47 and I would invite people to come to debconf 19:57:56 but then the registrations would be closed for sponsored peoplle 19:58:12 right 19:58:19 and people can get rooms afterwards if they pay for themselves always, until we run out 19:58:30 AbsintheSyringe, if you close registration later, sponsored people will know later, probably too late for many to book cheap flights 19:58:38 s/you/we/ :) 19:58:39 darst, for the ones we have previously reserved right? 19:58:50 yes 19:58:57 (and I don't see why we couldn't give people free dorms after the deadlines...) 19:59:07 true 19:59:10 right 19:59:15 this year we have this anomaly :) 19:59:22 we might even not rely on reconfirmation 19:59:25 we can still do that when the time is right, wuthout announcing/deciding it now 19:59:35 which is nice... but - yes, just what h01ger said 19:59:40 lets proceed as usual 19:59:43 basically we want to do all we can, within our budget, and within what is logistically possible (which is why we ask so many details!) 19:59:56 so we can work out this later? 19:59:57 and if our Bosnian friends are that generous ;-) then we can keep it open for all 20:00:00 endmeeting right on time? 20:00:18 ... 20:00:23 ... 20:00:25 darst, yea end it 20:00:26 so nexz im 2? 20:00:34 ~ 20:00:35 #agreed next meeting in two weeks 20:00:36 #endmeeting