19:29:59 #startmeeting 19:29:59 Meeting started Mon Oct 13 19:29:59 2014 UTC. The chair is marga. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:29:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:29:59 ! 19:30:01 . 19:30:05 #topic Roll Call 19:30:09 \ 19:30:11 hola 19:30:13 hola 19:30:15 moin 19:30:17 grad mal so da 19:30:22 ciao 19:30:26 hi 19:30:27 third dot :p 19:30:29 <_rene_> tach :) 19:30:30 güenas 19:30:47 here 19:30:48 <_rene_> äh, n'abend ;) 19:31:01 Agenda at: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/Minutes/2014-10-13 19:31:13 #topic Status Updates - Verein 19:31:29 RichiH, last time you said that you'd have an update in 1 or 2 weeks... Did anything happen? 19:32:03 hi 19:32:10 aloha 19:32:18 so.... i called the financial people again today and the status changed from "we are dealing with it, please wait" to "we need a new copy of the bylaws by snail mail". i am not sure what happened, but i prepared another letter today. i will call again on wednesday/thursday and ask again. also, a different woman answered the phone this time so this may be due to internal confusion. 19:32:24 (unknown how lon im here, sorry) 19:32:54 #info yet more bureaucrazy, still moving along. 19:33:01 sadly accurate 19:33:07 #topic Status Updates - Brochure translations 19:33:11 (late hi) 19:33:14 Can we declare this done? 19:33:21 03Hannes von Haugwitz 05master 4abae9a 06debconf-data/dc15 10sponsorship-brochure/l10n/de.po More proof-reading changes 19:33:29 :) 19:33:38 timing :p 19:33:50 ;-) 19:33:52 hvhaugwitz, would you agree it's ready as Rhalina said in her mail? 19:34:01 (late hi from me as well) 19:34:46 i finished my proof-reading 19:34:52 Ok 19:35:02 #info Brochure translation considered ready 19:35:02 marga: i read through it and found no blockers 19:35:10 good :) 19:35:25 #topic Status Updates - Budget 19:35:32 great work! 19:35:38 (on the translation) 19:35:43 madduck said that there was not much updates here. 19:35:50 not much no 19:35:55 there is a new budget.ods 19:35:57 in Git 19:36:19 #info There is a spreadsheet (budget.ods) in git. It includes some assumptions. 19:36:19 and I think we should just make it a proposal with the express idea that we are going to revise it in regular intervals as we get more information 19:36:27 #link http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=debconf-data/dc15.git;a=tree;f=budget;hb=HEAD 19:36:40 Sure 19:36:54 I don't think we are at the point of requesting DPL approval yet, are we? 19:36:55 my deadline from last week is 21 oct or so 19:37:04 so by then I will write a mail to dc-team 19:37:04 deadline for what? 19:37:13 for the budget proposal 19:37:20 Ok, would that need another budget meeting? 19:37:22 and I think we can get DPL approval, sure. 19:37:29 no, not another meeting needed 19:37:46 DPL approval would include a number of things we need to change, and be under the assumptions that the budget will get chnaged again… 19:37:55 I will talk to lucas and the auditors about this to figure out the best way forward 19:38:22 DPL approval isn't some magical moment in history, it's really just pairs of eyes… 19:38:29 #info there would be a proposal sent to debconf-team mailing list. After that we would go for DPL approval. Whatever the case, the budget will need to get adjusted as data comes in. 19:38:48 who needs to ack changes after DPL approval? 19:39:11 azeem: DPL 19:39:39 in that case, release early, release often might be cumbersome? 19:39:49 DPL will probably approve the admendements 19:39:51 Right, that was my point. 19:39:56 I envision more of a cooperation with DPL and chairs and auditors 19:40:04 I think it might make sense to only ask for approval in 2015 19:40:16 budget is a budget, only a first estimate 19:40:16 madduck: there's nothing in ways of infra other than 10k video team cost 19:40:19 ok, but I will still propose a working copy then? 19:40:20 Once we have a clearer picture of how things are looking regarding fundraising and costs 19:40:32 RichiH: richtig, missing information 19:40:34 madduck: sure 19:40:59 I think it makes sense to send to DC-team to discuss now, and only go for DPL approval in 2015 19:41:06 madduck: can you just put in a few thousand in random expenses? 19:41:08 But you might want to ask Lucas' opinion on this. 19:41:10 I don't agree 19:41:33 cate: to what? 19:41:50 I think an early approval will set some ideas of debconfs, the way the money will be spend. 19:42:18 And it will help planing, before somebosy will have complete new proposals 19:42:23 what would you consider early? This month? 19:42:25 <_rene_> and removes planning space. like we don't know a daytrip yet 19:42:28 as it seems it happens usually ad debconfs 19:42:33 marga: I agree the details will probably need to be finalised later. I'm not sure what money we need to spend soon, that needs approved more quickly 19:42:33 <_rene_> and thus we don't know the costs of it 19:42:36 <_rene_> for example 19:43:06 moray, as far as I know, right now we don't need to make any new expenses 19:43:07 madduck: dc13 rented APs, cables were used, etc. i would assume €1000+ cost for network alone 19:43:09 ("approving" a budget with too many questions left would just be bypassing the approval process) 19:43:10 _rene_: this year the daytrip was in a late addendum to the budget 19:43:37 <_rene_> I know, seen the mails :) 19:43:43 Ok, in any case, this probably makes sense to discuss on list and with Lucas 19:44:00 #info exact timeline of approval still needs discussion 19:44:04 is there any value in getting a budget approved where we plan with a set amount but reserve the option to overdo by x% assuming we collect the money for it? 19:44:36 I don't think so. I think we might want to get the DPL opinion overall, but not the "approval" until later on. 19:44:36 RichiH: I'm not sure what would be gained from it, since the approval process can be quite quick later on 19:44:46 no. budget is budget. when the rules change, the budget can be changed 19:45:09 moray: yeah, my point: once the heavy lifting is done, approving changes is very quick when they are reasoned 19:45:38 Ok, can we move on? 19:45:41 yes 19:45:45 #topic Status Updates - DayTrip / Conference Dinner 19:45:53 None of the people in charge are around... 19:45:58 tokkee: are you there? 19:46:15 rhalina already sent on-list that she hasn't been able to get results 19:46:23 … from her contacts 19:46:30 isn't it a bit early to discuss it? 19:46:32 right 19:46:41 cate: I don't think so, at all 19:46:52 I am a little bit concerned about this, tbh. Sure, contacts would be great, but if they don't give leads, we must start looking 19:47:06 the reason I am concerned is because our options are being decimated. 19:47:19 Other groups are planning stuff around Heidelberg in Aug 2015 already 19:47:19 <_rene_> madducks argument was that you need much space and if that's reserved already (and some things _are_ probably reserved long in advance) 19:47:19 * marga nods. So, what do we do about this? 19:47:23 surely not for the day trip 19:47:36 no, day trip is more flexible 19:47:39 azeem, no, this is for the Conference Dinner 19:47:41 (right, I mean) 19:47:41 maybe for the conf dinner, but I am kinda wary to rent a restaurant for 400 people 19:47:54 no, not rent. just start negotiations 19:48:01 azeem: if we can get an option that's free to cancel... 19:48:02 we had the youth hostel "reserved" for months 19:48:07 for free 19:48:18 once you show them that you are serious, you can delay the contract for a long time. 19:48:25 but you need to get a foot in the door. 19:48:28 aye 19:48:37 Right, so... What do we want to do about this? 19:48:45 so I guess the fancy option is to have dinner in the Altstadt? 19:48:54 I agree that would need to be looked at ASAP 19:49:03 though I'm kinda unsure it'd work out 19:49:10 azeem, you mean the castle? Or where? 19:49:13 it could be combined with day trip 19:49:19 marga: or the old town 19:49:23 it probably should be combined in some way 19:49:24 or maybe the old university hall 19:49:29 which is in the old town 19:49:35 the city of heidelberg has a team to help groups organise this 19:49:39 though we can always fall back to BBQ or similar catering at the youth hostel 19:49:40 azeem, but the old town is not a particular place, that's why I'm asking 19:49:50 note that combining day trip and dinner on the same day is unpopular with a lot of attendees... 19:49:53 or to a BBQ at the riverside 19:49:54 #link http://www.heidelberg-marketing.de/ 19:49:57 marga: yeah, but we need to fit 400 people 19:50:03 maybe we can just engage with them? 19:50:06 moray: why is that? 19:50:14 I kinda liked that the last years 19:50:16 moray: why? 19:50:20 moray: do you have quantitative data on this? 19:50:36 moray: an estimate will do… 19:50:41 azeem: well, I can't really speak for them precisely, but including that some proportion feel socially exhausted after the day trip and want a quieter evening 19:50:45 or is it just "you've heard that…"? 19:50:55 hm… 19:51:02 azeem: while the other extreme likes the social events and wants them spread over two days :) 19:51:08 I'm one of the people that would prefer different days. 19:51:24 azeem: I certainly never heard a regular attendee asking for them on the same day, it just makes the *organising* side simpler 19:51:29 bremner: welcome to the dc15 team! your tasks are: day trip and conf dinner ;) 19:51:39 moray: *nod* 19:51:41 if there's somewhere we can plausibly walk to for the dinner, then different days would make some people happier 19:51:45 Kidding aside, what do we want to do about this? 19:51:58 marga: see #link above, this is a lead to take on I think 19:51:59 also, a day trip around dc15 i think people can easily extend on their own, so having the conf dinner different allows that. 19:52:10 madduck, yes, I'm looking at the pages. 19:52:13 (assuming we dont go out into the wild with no connection of bus/train/whatever) 19:52:17 Does someone else want to volunteer for this? 19:52:29 Ganneff: true, yes, and another group who want them different is people who invent their own day trip instead of the group one 19:53:11 #info Many attendees may prefer to actually have Day Trip and Conference Dinner on separate days 19:53:15 i take the contact with the marketing people. getting a mail out i can deal with tomorrow morning. 19:53:26 yay Ganneff 19:53:33 #action Ganneff to mail Heidelberg Marketing 19:53:36 thanks 19:53:36 i dont volunteer to organise it to the last bit, but contact and seeing whats on works 19:53:38 Ganneff: two comments/ideas 19:53:55 one, make sure they know we aren't really prepared to pay for their service 19:54:10 two, make sure they know it'd be excellent marketing for them to sponsor us ;) 19:54:19 #topic Status Updates - DC14 Final Report 19:54:22 so they can get their logo to $stuff? 19:54:23 sure 19:54:25 i did send a message to the city a while ago, Ganneff, bouncing… 19:54:29 Spanferkelhof (for all non-vegs...) Landgastst�e f�anstaltungen bis 500 Personen 19:54:41 Ganneff: presumably don't tell them that we would say Heidelberg on things anyway :p 19:54:42 cts: please put on wiki… 19:54:49 ... 19:54:54 cts: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/ConfDinnerIdeas 19:54:57 #topic Status Updates - DayTrip / Conference Dinner 19:55:02 I just browsed through the marketing website 19:55:02 poor marga 19:55:20 #link https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/ConfDinnerIdeas 19:55:21 sorry 19:55:24 #topic Status Updates - DC14 Final Report 19:55:34 So, the deadline for finishing texts was Oct 15th 19:55:38 That's in two days. 19:55:41 s/was/is/ ;) 19:55:47 Does anyone know how it's looking? 19:55:49 Penny proofread most articles so far 19:55:58 she noted so in Git 19:56:05 the talks section still has a couple of TODOs, but they could be dropped 19:56:07 My impressions section has 9 out of 10 of the blogs. I think we are fine if we don't get the 10th. 19:56:21 the talks section still has a couple of TODOs, but they could be droppeded 19:56:21 I think content-wise we are at the point where people can start doing layout. 19:56:28 OTOH I still didn't manage to send the draft to talks@ as they requested 19:56:31 vorlon still has some TODOs too 19:56:35 sorry, mispaste 19:56:44 * Ganneff is off again for the day. (sorry). 19:56:52 enjoy the midnight poops 19:57:15 Who's doing layout? 19:57:17 * madduck shuts up 19:57:19 only 3 times clothes changing last night. got a whole 3 hours sleep. 19:57:34 most of people didn't answer about the credits too... I'll put the stalker_mode=on today e try get some names 19:58:07 Caroll: we can probably fill the table ourselves and then just tell those who feel left out that they had their chance 19:58:25 Caroll: Send another deadline reminder to dc-team and tell people that they risk being left out… 19:58:39 madduck, OK, i'll do this 19:58:48 ** Who's going to do the layout?? ** 19:58:49 as usual, e.g. the video team is reading dc-team I guess 19:59:26 *tumbleweed* 19:59:31 Yeah... 19:59:42 I did layout for DC8, but it was scribus 19:59:44 so I'm in spain next week and won't have a lot of time 19:59:49 * azeem did it last year 19:59:53 Doing layout in tex is painful 19:59:56 this is my first final report, but I feel like once the debconf happened people just let the final report for the next debconf team... am I right? 19:59:57 or boring 20:00:10 Caroll, yeah :) 20:00:20 in general, I'll try, but not sure I'll find the time, contacting sponsors is higher on my TODO 20:00:22 Except for DC8 :) 20:00:24 Caroll: not every year 20:00:25 marga, thanks :( 20:00:28 Caroll: but too often, sadly 20:00:44 #info azeem may try to do some layout but we need more volunteers 20:00:55 moray: we could just create that expectation ;) 20:01:01 #topic Status Updates - Airline partnerships 20:01:03 so you could drop "sadly" 20:01:09 Caroll, any news on this front? 20:01:17 marga, oh yeah :) 20:01:30 madduck: but it is harder for DCn+1 people to get the data needed for the report, so it *is* a problem 20:01:39 we got a partnership with united and star alliance 20:01:49 #info we got a partnership with united and star alliance 20:01:52 Details? 20:02:03 I'll send the agreement term to the list 20:02:12 moray: not if they know *before* DCn that they are expected to … let's move this to privmsg if you want to continue 20:02:15 we had one airline deal before, which meant people had access to ... slightly more expensive fares than normal 20:02:34 (discounted, but less discounted than other internet sites) 20:02:45 because we need to agree or not... 20:02:54 so be careful about agreeing to anything that gives them something back (logos etc.) 20:03:03 #action Caroll to send the agreement conditions to the list 20:03:13 yes... we got discounts and debconf/debian got treats for use during the year 20:03:29 mini airplanes 20:03:31 weeee 20:03:42 ok, anything else on this point? 20:03:46 RichiH, united, lufthansa, etc 20:03:55 Caroll: what do you mean by "treats"? 20:04:05 RichiH, tickets 20:04:07 :) 20:04:24 #topic Status Updates - CCC / FrOsCon 20:04:26 #info Scotty (from FrOsCon) will let us know when they have more info 20:04:33 sur5r, anything on the CCC front? 20:05:22 i am sure we'd have found out… 20:05:27 ok 20:05:33 #topic Status Updates - Website team 20:05:53 _rene_, are you the webmaster or is Valessio? 20:06:15 Maxy sent a couple of "bug reports" regarding missing font files and other issues and there was no reply 20:06:30 <_rene_> depend on wether it's content or css/images/styles, I'd say 20:06:40 <_rene_> anything artwork'ish is valessio, basically 20:06:44 valessio is our graphics/design person. _rene_ has been in charge of the website content and templating so far… 20:06:59 Yeah, well, I've sent a mail about it, payments.xhtml is not there 20:07:13 <_rene_> yep, that was there on dc14, too 20:07:17 The debian font is not uploaded, and I'm not sure if we want it there 20:07:52 And in the sponsors page the "infrastructure" text is too dark. 20:07:54 <_rene_> we could/should add it, though 20:08:36 _rene_: is there any documentation on how to edit stuff and push to live www? 20:08:41 <_rene_> I assume we'd want sepa if possible for sepa-people and can keep c&p for spi/us? 20:08:43 (admittedly, i didn't look up to now) 20:09:01 _rene_: we can talk about payments after this meeting. 20:09:05 but if that's well documented, maybe we can improve stuff whenever we stumble over issues 20:09:06 <_rene_> k 20:09:20 #action _rene_ and madduck to work on payments page 20:09:22 <_rene_> RichiH: jup, the doc is in git. wait. 20:09:33 RichiH: there is no docs right now that I know of, and I think there might also be some changes to the way things work 20:09:34 RichiH, sure. 20:09:45 the docs are Ganneff ;-) 20:09:49 <_rene_> ssh://@git.debian.org/git/debconf-data/dc15 20:09:54 <_rene_> see under website/ 20:10:11 #topic Status Updates - Public relations 20:10:17 larjona, anything to report here? 20:10:29 <_rene_> madduck: well, the doc is the xhtml and template and how to generate it in README.txt :) 20:10:42 _rene_: so if i edit there & push, it will go live? 20:10:48 RichiH: after 10 mins 20:10:52 nice 20:10:54 <_rene_> yep. 15 min or so cronjob 20:10:59 no. Some people said about creating a separate team for PR etc but I'm not sure if anybody is available :) 20:11:25 larjona: I think the way to do it is within debian-publicity 20:11:25 I worry it's a bit optimistic to argue that because the Debian team lacks manpower we should have our own team 20:11:44 So, I'm on publicity :) 20:11:50 if the Debian team lacks manpower, it's probably because there aren't enough people around for it in Debian, including in the part of Debian that is DebConf :) 20:11:50 yeah i know 20:12:05 Yeah, I think it makes more sense to see it as a sub-team inside debian-publicity than as a separate entity 20:12:08 certainly when we tried to do press stuff separately before we generally failed 20:12:08 larjona: so what I would do is two things: 20:12:19 marga: right, I think that seems a better approach 20:12:21 moray: except for dc7 and 8! ;) 20:12:48 larjona: (1) I would use d-pub infrastructure to push any news items we come up with, as you have been doing (Thanks!!!) 20:13:22 larjona: (2) Create a way for us to easily provide ideas about random bits of news and submit them to you, then just push them however you see fit 20:13:31 Hopefully, the buzz will attract people 20:13:56 who are the people in publicity and in team? 20:14:11 for ideas, anybody can post in the wiki page, I can review it periodically https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf15/Germany/PromotionIdeas 20:14:16 So: crowd-source content creation, just take care of the publication, using d-pub infratsructure and help 20:14:30 madduck: that does not work too well for d-pub 20:14:43 the crowdsourcing bit 20:15:02 larjona: maybe a wiki page is even too much effort. Maybe make it clear that people can also send you emails or privmsgs etc. 20:15:18 fine, no problem with that 20:15:25 let them know it 20:15:30 where them is the world ;) 20:15:41 I'll mail the lists (dc-team and dc15) 20:15:57 If I knew that someone might make a tweet or whatever about us e.g. having a new day trip idea, I might just fire off content in between meetings very often 20:16:10 larjona: also in all releases, press, blog whatever 20:16:35 #action larjona to send mail to the lists reminding people to send in ideas for the DebConf sub-team of debian-publicity 20:16:42 Great. So, that's it for status updates... Moving on... 20:16:43 THe bit that I'm not sure what to do is @debconf twitter account 20:16:53 #topic Drink prices in HD 20:16:56 larjona: I will handle @debconf if you prefer not to. 20:16:59 fine 20:17:04 thanks 20:17:04 madduck, this is your thing 20:17:23 basically: do we think 3,50 €/0.5l is too much? 20:17:35 (of beer) 20:17:41 that was a given! ;) 20:17:48 I seem to remember the disco price list saying 3 20:18:06 I just want to know how much weight I should put into negotiating this. 20:18:16 and whether people have any expectations. 20:18:27 What's the supermarket price? 20:18:34 <_rene_> there's pubs out there cheaper. a bit expensive but I don't think it's off-limits. 20:18:37 maxy: 80¢? ;) 20:18:38 it's fine for me personally, but I think at €3.50 we will have people buying from elsewhere and smuggling in, sure 20:18:59 moray: so what should be the goal? with and without secret subsidy? 20:19:04 So a maybe 2.50 would be good enough for the hostel. 20:19:20 wasn't sponsoring drinks one of the perks we offer? 20:19:31 <_rene_> 80c is the worst beer ever. you won't get good ones for 80c ;) 20:19:33 RichiH: How much for the Schneider ? 20:19:36 cts: but will there be takers? 20:19:37 Yes, but we don't know if someone will come around to it. 20:19:42 maxy: in supermarkets? 20:19:44 cts: most large sponsors will be scared of sponsoring alcohol 20:19:48 RichiH, yes 20:19:58 moray: not alcohol, only the beer 20:20:12 cts, ... beer contains alcohol 20:20:15 cts: (not sure if that line from you is a joke or not?) 20:20:15 about €1,10 per bottle 20:20:41 marga: I thought you live in bavaria where beer is considered a basic staple 20:20:44 madduck: dunno. I guess some attendees will say "it was 1 CHF in Switzerland, Germany should be a lot cheaper" :p 20:20:56 moray: noted. ;) 20:21:06 I think all attendees were REALLY surprised of it being 1 CHF in DC13 20:21:13 3 CHF in CH IIRC 20:21:17 well, 2,50 might be nicer - but 3,50 is not a ripoff 20:21:24 well, it 20:21:27 Right. 20:21:33 it's a ripoff, but not outragious 20:21:38 <_rene_> yep 20:21:52 moray: germans have a different attitude to beer then usamericans. I think switzerland was very cheap. if it would be 2-2.50� I think that would still be a good price 20:21:53 madduck, also, simpler coffee prices 20:21:55 okay, so I will try to get this to 3 € in the process of getting them to buy local beers 20:22:00 marga: yeah, those too 20:22:01 madduck: no one voiced too many complaints about $5 beer in Portland, but some small sector of people *did* opt out of drinking that in favour of drinking more cheaply in the dorms 20:22:13 <_rene_> and it's cheaper than the $5 in PDX ;) (ok, that isn't exactly hard.) 20:22:21 moray: yeah, I was *surprised* by that in the light of dc13 20:22:39 okay, so my take from this is: it's okay as is, but it would be nice-if… 20:22:43 next… 20:22:45 Right. 20:22:48 so 3,50 is an okish price for a pub in Munich 20:22:55 madduck: speak nicely to the previous anonymous sponsor? :p 20:22:56 it looks a bit expensive for a hostel 20:22:59 yah, but less so for a youth hostel 20:23:07 #topic Honouring pro-bono advisors 20:23:11 so madduck getting it lower would be great, but if not... 20:23:13 azeem: if I came to a pub in Heidelberg with 1000l /week, I would not pay 3.50 ;) 20:23:14 madduck, your thing. 20:23:30 madduck: exactly 20:23:33 so PwC agreed to give us 1000 € in addition to the 20 hours or so of counselling 20:23:39 RichiH: If not people will go out more. 20:23:48 I don't imagine you mean counselling 20:23:49 maxy: too far, imo 20:23:53 I think we should really mention them on the webpage, e.g. at the bottom next to FFIS etc. 20:23:56 unless they are helping you with your emotional damage 20:23:56 consulting ;) 20:23:56 moray, advise? 20:24:07 yessir 20:24:14 madduck, the fact that they gave us money means that they are supporters 20:24:15 madduck: nice :) 20:24:27 marga: yes. but I think they deserve more. 20:24:34 RichiH: right. I was just amused at the image of PwC doing counselling :) 20:24:46 basically: are there any objections to me adding a small logo at the bottom of the page next to SPI and FFIS? 20:25:02 moray: i am CC on the mails; it's counselling for people who are brain damaged by german tax law 20:25:04 madduck: why not as usual spossor? 20:25:17 madduck: sounds like something to discuss with the rest of the fundraising team, more than to discuss here just now? 20:25:17 cate, it's less than Bronze 20:25:20 cate: because they are not, they are like tk and manda who give more than just money 20:25:30 in past we calculated the perks monerarly 20:25:31 unless we count their consulting time as another 1000 20:25:48 20 hours at pwc rates → 6–8000 € 20:25:50 madduck: how much are the 20 hours worth? 20:25:53 k 20:26:02 that is the low end ;) 20:26:10 anyway, I will do as moray says 20:26:15 well, that's because they charge crazy prices. 20:26:19 and if there are strong objections, please let me know. 20:26:29 madduck: but, we don't value non-cash items at the claimed headline price 20:26:30 marga: still market value 20:26:34 well, "value" 20:26:35 but yes 20:26:40 i have 3.5 minutes for the remaining 3 topics ;) 20:26:46 #action madduck: Exact perk to be discussed with sponsors team. 20:26:50 i want hotel reservations 20:26:57 ok... Let's do that one. 20:26:58 ** only three more minutes ** :) 20:27:07 #topic Hotel reservation in HD 20:27:18 why? 20:27:20 The Marriott wants 50% guaranteed bookings of all the nights we reserve. Do we even want to go down this path? 20:27:22 so i talked to marriott in another context 20:27:27 and yeah, it's not favourable 20:27:36 given that I want people to stay at the hostel 20:27:49 I don't feel motivated to deal with marriott 20:27:58 people can, I have contacts, but I won't. 20:28:00 that is all ;) 20:28:07 "guaranteed" = DebConf would have to pay? sounds like "no" 20:28:11