18:29:54 #startmeeting 18:29:54 Meeting started Wed May 11 18:29:54 2016 UTC. The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:29:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:29:59 MeetBot: pingall it's time 18:29:59 it's time 18:29:59 _rene_ amaya ana AndrewLee andrewsh asheesh aviau azeem_ babilen bdale blarson bremner brother- bubulle buxy CarlFK1 carnil cate Clint cnote cyphermox cyrilb darst deki DLange dumbassman elbrus esh faw FBI fil formorer Ganneff gfa_ ginggs_ greenman_ gregoa 18:29:59 gwolf gxg h01ger highvoltage Hodgestar hug hvhaugwitz indiebio ivodd jathan jcristau JuN1x jvw Kaare KGB-0 KGB-1 KGB-2 krait larjona lavamind LeLutin lucas madduck manicminer marga Maulkin maxy MeanderingCode MeetBot mehdi mollydb moray Mrfai msantana n0rman 18:29:59 nattie nicoo nkukard noahfx OdyX olasd paddatrapper pocock RichiH rmayorga rul santiago schultmc schultmc_ sgran Sledge superfly taffit taffit_sud tamo tassia tokkee tumbleweed tvaz vorlon wendar wookey xamanu zobel zumbi 18:29:59 it's time 18:30:10 Agenda: 18:30:12 * gwolf won't be active in the meeting :( 18:30:15 http://deb.li/DC16meet1 18:30:58 we seem to have an agenda cobbled together by multiple anonymous users, this week :) 18:31:01 bremner: \o/ 18:31:06 hi 18:31:10 o/ as usually :) 18:31:22 * h01ger will also mostly enjoy the evening sun on the balkony, sorry, sometimes RL timing is bad 18:31:23 * indiebio ended the other meeting earlier than expected, might not be 100% present for this one, but will try 18:31:47 * tumbleweed just got back from helping a friend drink some interesting beer 18:31:52 that could be good or bad RL timing :P 18:32:14 I'm here but mobile 18:32:15 anyway 18:32:21 #topic countdown banner 18:32:27 Hey I'm here this time 18:32:30 tamo: I guess this is in your court 18:32:45 o/ 18:32:56 usually people put banners on their blogs, saying "I'm gonig to to DebConf16" 18:32:59 we should provide such a banner 18:33:17 sorry what is that? 18:33:36 a countdown banner 18:33:37 tumbleweed: ah ok cool can do 18:33:54 tumbleweed: where can I get an example? 18:34:21 there's one on the page linked from the agenda https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Artwork 18:34:28 tumbleweed: unless just the size will be fine if that is all it says 18:34:31 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/Artwork#Countdown_banners 18:35:03 it's just an image to stick on websites 18:35:10 yeah, something in that size range 18:35:18 tumbleweed: ok cool I do that on Friday 18:35:30 ideally with a counting down number (of days) 18:35:44 so a bit of javascript probably helps 18:35:45 DLange: ok sure from Monday? 18:36:12 yeah, not urgent I guess 18:36:23 tamo: make a mockup, and then send me the background image, the font and I'll make it happen. 18:36:24 this is a nice-to-have topic 18:36:33 superfly++ 18:36:40 DLange: ok I'll speak to superfly or highvoltage about the java script 18:37:02 superfly: haha thanks superfly 18:37:17 #action tamo and superfly to make a countdown banner 18:37:30 #topic open weekend 18:37:33 tumbleweed: cool b's 18:37:38 from the agenda 18:37:39 local volunteers needed to contact local groups: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/DebianDayMessy 18:38:25 (hi, just back in) 18:38:45 I can chat to some of them. Sorry meant to do it this week, but thigs ran away from me 18:39:12 my aim with this agenda point is if people have ideas they want to throw out there, or objections or anything, now is the time. :) 18:39:36 By next Saturday I am going to try focus on this as much as I can, and then there's no more bikeshedding. 18:39:48 one can hope... 18:40:12 Please ensure there is Debian merchandising available during tje open weekend. Not sure how that is done... 18:40:23 * nattie appears 18:40:45 o/ 18:40:48 merchandising is presumably the responsibility of the debian orgs that do merchandising? 18:41:01 I mean, debian.ch does the stickers and knives, right? 18:41:54 yes. And I think h01ger brought stickers last time. 18:41:57 ask OdyX ? 18:42:14 t-shirts? people *love* t-shirts 18:42:15 larjona: thanks 18:42:24 but possibly that should all be shipped rather than carried? 18:42:31 or will that cause customs hassle? 18:42:40 we can certainly at least print stickers this side. 18:43:00 shipping is generally more predictable customs hassle 18:43:03 indiebio: yup supa cheap 18:43:06 I don't imagine debian.ch or the English group bringing stuff to South Africa 18:43:09 have a sticker exchange box 18:43:19 I mean, not lots of t-shirts or umbrellas or whatever 18:43:22 maybe some stickers 18:43:43 it wasn't normally taken to "far-away" DebConfs, only ones where some people were driving 18:43:44 there's still time to get merch made for DC16 I guess 18:43:45 Swag is nice, but is quite lateral to our conference 18:43:58 indiebio: if you have a separate registration form, of course these people can't buy into our catered food etc. (or nametags or t-shirts) 18:44:00 ...I understand attendees to the openweeekend want to buy our swag 18:44:06 but it's quite a hassle to get there 18:44:21 do we usually do lots of hand-written nametags on open days? 18:44:30 it's usually much easier to print/do locally - or to ask sponsors to produce bi-branded (?) goods 18:44:33 gwolf: we can make up extra T's and swag if people want to buy? 18:44:34 tumbleweed: often nothing 18:44:41 I was meaning mostly stickers to give away 18:44:41 tamo: you can make them for sure 18:44:42 as one of the producers of swag (Debian France) I'm a bit weary about shipping stuff 18:44:43 I wasn;t planning on going that complicated, tumbleweed, just sortof having the understanding of 'sort yourself out', with attendees knowing what to do. 18:44:54 gwolf: for sure :) 18:44:57 tumbleweed: if it's a real open day with lots of people, often most just come for one or two talks anyway 18:44:58 indiebio: yeah, I just wanted to be clear 18:45:07 tamo: At DC6, i.e., we printed an extra run of Tshirts to be sold, even to Debian peopl 18:45:21 shipping is not good an idea due to taxes and import duties 18:45:24 they had a nice design, and were attractive to all 18:45:25 we should print extra tshirts anyway, of course 18:45:30 I wasn't even thinking name tags or anything like that, either. shirish had some thing on, still need to talk to him to maybe tone it down 18:45:46 but... if we try getting stuff from all around the globe to be sold... it will be more expensive and hassly than to get Southafricans to do it :) 18:45:47 tumbleweed: one aspect is printing extra conference ones; at dc6 there were other separate ones for sale (no sponsor logos etc.) 18:45:52 he does seem to think we all have a lot of free time, yes :) 18:46:09 gwolf: ok and cool and did that work well? T's are R180, with all the design/branding, so they are a good price 18:46:10 and often we've had French/English/whatever other extra t-shirt designs sold since then 18:46:17 in terms of merch, wasn't thinking of DC16 specific, just 'Debian' stuff. 18:46:18 moray: aah 18:46:29 but normally from people driving them, who could also drive away unsold ones 18:47:04 if we take orders, we can make them to order during the week? 18:47:18 anyways, this digresses. we can have a merch discussion on the ML 18:47:23 for the main conference t-shirts, you do want to order quite a lot more than the number registered, anyway (there is a spreadsheet and advice for estimating how many...) 18:47:24 tumbleweed: ^ 18:47:25 yeah, let's do that 18:47:31 I've got some contacts for printing shirts and stuff locally if needed 18:47:34 indiebio: it would cost a fortune to make stuff to order 18:47:39 #topic catering 18:47:43 this is the big item, probably 18:47:49 tamo: Any progress? 18:48:00 tumbleweed: yes TBC got back to us I sent you the quotes 18:48:13 Why not open a wiki page and some volunteers to research and coordinate? I guess the agenda is tough 18:48:14 can the rest of us see them? 18:48:15 oh, you did 18:48:17 tumbleweed: We are looking at R50 extra for verything 18:48:34 Pardon we already switched. Laag 18:48:54 tamo: what is "everything" more than the last offer? 18:49:02 tumbleweed: ie: Food, Catering and Hiring keeping it to R300 budget, they have given us discounts as well as kept the prices low 18:49:33 #action indiebio to start a wiki page on merchandise, and get someone who has experience to help populate it 18:49:40 tumbleweed: extras of the crockey and cutlery, washing up taking away etcc 18:50:56 nattie: https://paste.debian.net/683442/ 18:51:01 tumbleweed: the final price with proper Crockery and Cutlery is R350ish and with Disposables R345. 18:51:08 tumbleweed: cheers 18:51:38 tamo: all inclusive? hiring tables, food, service, etc. 18:51:45 tumbleweed: yup 18:52:05 tumbleweed: works ot to be R350 per person 18:53:33 tumbleweed: so do you still wnat us to look at other caterers? Or will this do? 18:53:55 it's above the R300 budget line 18:54:04 how accommodating are they of special requirements? 18:54:08 and the mail invites negotiating that down 18:54:12 tamo: well, there are still other costs. e.g. security 18:54:35 tumbleweed: ok has anyone got costs for that yet? 18:54:40 indiebio? 18:54:46 huh? 18:54:52 no, haven't yet, sorry. 18:55:21 I don't really want to be selling food at a loss 18:55:25 has the new on campus caterers been explored? 18:55:41 indiebio: not yet 18:55:46 indiebio: they only seemed interested in lunch (but who knows if arms could be twisted) 18:56:04 who's catering at Fuller and Smuts for students these days? 18:56:11 they only sent the menu for lunch, we don't know how they feel about dinner 18:56:12 C3 18:56:13 DLange: yup but for what they have to do, they have given us a really good price 18:56:36 where's C3's offer? 18:56:46 tumbleweed: I can look into other caterers next week. But I do feel by Wed we need to make a decision 18:57:13 tamo: right now if I had to make a decision, I think it'd be that TBC isn't practical 18:57:20 DLange: I have it, the problem with them was that their food was good but not great 18:57:29 knowing what security would cost would certainly help 18:57:53 tumbleweed: I can look into the security cost, if indiebio is busy? 18:57:58 tamo: but its warm and onsite and probably half the cost, so we can spend the other half on food trucks and whatnot to spice things up 18:58:02 tamo: please show us C3's offer anyway? 18:58:07 yeah, it's only 15% over budget, but it is already over, without security 18:58:53 tumbleweed: are you not getting security for the conference? or jus for the catering? 18:59:00 *just 18:59:31 probably for the lecture venues too. But molly blackburn is far away, so it'd cost us more to have guards in both places 18:59:44 tumbleweed: next week I'll meet with the other 2 Caterers and then send those as well as C3 18:59:56 it's getting a little time-sensitive 19:00:17 tumbleweed: but after that I can't do more, I need all time for other things 19:00:25 tamo: yes 19:01:11 tumbleweed: TBC have gone out of their way and will make it happen, but lets see the security element. Where/ who do I speak to? 19:01:18 I can take over if necessary, but I also *really* don't want to be taking on more things 19:01:35 tamo: yeah, I'd also feel bad about dropping them, now. They were trying hard 19:01:40 tumbleweed: let make the final decision on Wed and put it to bed? 19:02:29 dumbassman: are you free on Mon? 19:03:02 tumbleweed: with Catering can I sneak in the Conference dinner? 19:03:12 tamo: how do the two quote PDFs fit together? 19:03:15 hey tamo, so far not (in stellenbosch). who do you want to meet on mon? 19:03:32 they both seem to be for staff and extras 19:03:43 tumbleweed: just one question: would be opposed to a Fish option on the Menu, at the Aquarium? 19:04:02 tamo: don't see any reason to be 19:04:09 tumbleweed: one is for Disposable Crockery and Cutlery and the other not 19:04:09 (obviously there have to be alternatives) 19:04:20 oh, right 19:04:45 tumbleweed: yup there are but the alternative is btw fish or chicken 19:05:05 tumbleweed: they would need extra staff to do the cleaning etc 19:06:24 dumbassman: they other caterers I told you about, just can't get to it this week 19:06:39 tumbleweed: way forward? 19:06:46 tamo: ok I'll let you now 19:06:49 err, so we've budgeted R675,000 for food 19:06:56 but the quote comes to R300,000 what am I missing? 19:07:05 paddatrapper: you still here? 19:07:09 tumbleweed: Debconf dinner? 19:07:18 superfly: Yup 19:07:19 the dinner can't be half the food budget, surely? 19:07:28 nope it's not 19:07:34 paddatrapper: can you help tamo out with meeting caterers? 19:08:02 oh, roomboard - accom is half the budget 19:08:03 duh 19:08:06 superfly: no not to worry dumbassman and myself have been meeting so we know what to compare to. 19:08:27 tamo: OK. paddatrapper is on-site as it were, so ping him if you need help 19:08:30 superfly: but paddatrapper is welcome to come along 19:08:31 right, so that doesn't leave much overhead for dinners 19:08:45 It you need my help give me ashout 19:08:46 superfly: ok great will do, thanks for teh offer and suggestion 19:09:47 tamo: and we do need to see the C3 quote, to make a decision 19:09:48 once we have selected the caterers, we need to fill in dc16.git/accommodation/Catering_Cost_Calculation.ods because we need not pay food for non-attending people and be able to manage cost 19:10:03 and a uct pub one (or do we have that in git?) 19:10:06 tumbleweed: sure will have the 3 options on Wed 19:10:24 Matt Fox' one is in the git 19:10:48 tumbleweed: not sure sent that Invoice and option a while back for Debcamp and the Braai 19:10:48 tamo: ideally, let's try to get this done before wednesday 19:11:00 so we can talk about things like this a day or two before 19:11:03 and get a decision made in the meeting 19:11:13 and what you have please add to / update dc16.git/accommodation/Catering DebConf/* 19:11:38 tumbleweed: nope not going to happen. My priority right now is the T's, Bag etc to get that to everyone this week. Will only be able to see people next week 19:12:03 tumbleweed: on Mon 19:12:06 I'd rather have food than a bag if i have to choose 19:12:14 tamo: OK 19:12:23 I can also help here, but you have the existing contacts 19:13:02 bremner: I just can't this week with meeting Caterers I have a meeting with the Aquarium on Friday to confirm the invoice and food options 19:13:15 tamo: understandable 19:13:16 tamo: ok. mostly just a joke 19:13:24 let's move on 19:13:34 #topic spouse activities 19:13:43 ! 19:13:54 anyone? 19:14:06 it'd be useful if people put names next to items like this so I could ping them 19:14:15 spouses are more than welcome to help join in the preparations for the cheese & wine party, as they were last year 19:14:33 :o 19:15:51 my spouse comes with 3 small underlings, so I'm sure she'd perfer to opt out of that ;-) 19:16:04 *prefer 19:16:28 bremner: no worries :) 19:16:28 03Stefano Rivera 05master ea0eb83 06debconf-data/dc16 10accommodation/Catering DebConf/TBC/ 03molly-blackburn ceramic.pdf 03molly-blackburn disposeable.pdf TBC quotes for molly blackburn 19:16:37 DLange: ^ 19:16:41 nope 19:16:42 Well depending their ages they could help too superfly! 19:16:48 spouse activities was me, based on an email of someone asking. 19:16:53 superfly: the underlings can also help! 19:17:02 I was wondering if there is stuff, if people have ever done stuff for spouses... 19:17:03 last year's cheese prep had lots of kids around 19:17:04 that was from a request by a TI attendee, so it must have been nattie or indiebio adding that 19:17:13 paddatrapper: not gonna happen. the eldest might be able to, but the other two wreak havoc on a good day 19:17:19 DLange: wasn't me 19:17:20 DLange: the ^ was pointing at KGB 19:17:26 aah :) 19:17:29 so ... indiebio 19:17:48 DLange: I was wondering if there is stuff, if people have ever done stuff for spouses... 19:18:07 tumbleweed, tamo: I'm more interested in the C3 quotes please 19:18:11 or if we can suggest things for them to do, I don't think we should organise stuff for them 19:18:12 it's not really been a thing before 19:18:19 ok 19:18:20 we're not LCA 19:18:24 normally we let people organise themselves 19:18:27 that's all I need to know, thanks nattie 19:18:36 best i can offer is for people to gather by FD and set off to do things 19:18:39 indiebio: they can join on the daytrip and the braai at a fee I guess 19:18:44 but various spouses ended up recruited as volunteers or as new Debian contributors, too 19:18:47 the spouses that come usually either do some conferency things, or go sight seeing 19:18:50 DLange: sure have it but will add it to the other meetings 19:18:51 otherwise buying a Lonely Planet helps :) 19:18:52 moray: naming to names, right? 19:18:57 'K done, we can move on, thanks 19:18:58 s/to/no/ 19:19:05 #topic state of bursaries 19:19:06 nattie: not to incriminate the guilty :p 19:19:17 moray: bien sûr que non! 19:19:18 so, debian bursaries are decided 19:19:35 (and we can expect one or two more to be handed out, as people cancel) 19:19:38 right, bremner? 19:19:47 ack 19:20:06 I'll import that data into wafer this evening 19:20:07 great job busary team! This was hard work. 19:20:41 tamo: yes thanks! 19:20:56 #topic local volunteer budget 19:21:37 yeah, nobody is coordinating this, yet 19:22:05 we could add a bursary source option in wafer 19:22:33 anyone want to take on approving those? 19:22:57 * DLange can do 19:23:00 I'm neutral :) 19:23:09 or you do 19:23:19 you're US based anyways. Usually :) 19:23:20 yeah, I was assuming between us we'd do it 19:23:26 sounds good 19:23:32 check & balance is always good 19:23:50 #action DLange and tumbleweed will allocate local volunteer budget 19:24:12 #topic invited speaker bursaries 19:24:22 content team realised they didn't get a budget for inviting speakers 19:24:39 this may be a non-issue, but they will have speakers that they want to ensure attend 19:25:13 they can talk to bremner and he can priorize these from the freed budget by no-shows 19:25:42 diversity may also help in those cases 19:25:48 is there a list of budget addendum, or is this the only thing so far? 19:25:49 DLange: no, I don't think so. 19:25:51 we didn't normally have a special process for such people, though the bursaries team did try to take into account talk submissions etc. 19:25:54 but we've already had a debian person say in IRC that they didn't get a bursary, and have a talk approved 19:25:59 bremner: too little left? 19:26:22 azeem_: well the budget is a living document :P 19:26:26 right 19:26:27 DLange: are we talking about people that have already been ranked, or new people? 19:26:41 tumbleweed is talking about someone who was rejected 19:26:43 because I think the bursaries team has done their share of work... 19:26:46 tumbleweed: that person had food & accom approved just not the travel busary 19:26:51 yes. 19:26:53 we're talking about people the content team want to have attend, independently of bursaries 19:26:53 bremner: my understanding was new people 19:27:02 "invited speakers" 19:27:05 so why ask us/me? 19:27:06 moray: I'm also talking abotu someone who could well get a bursary from a different source than "debian" 19:27:15 bremner: because you have a budget line :) 19:27:18 tumbleweed: sure 19:27:43 in general I don't think we should attempt to work around the bursaries team's decisions 19:27:48 by adding a new layer 19:27:54 I agree with bremner, the bursaries team should reallocate non-show's money to other people who applied in time as they see fit 19:27:57 but yes, giving the content team a budget line means they don't have to nudge other teams (and those teams can keep their rankings nice and locical) 19:28:00 logical even 19:28:15 but then we need those team co-ordinated 19:28:32 DLange: why? 19:28:49 moray: I don't see this as working around decisions so much as allowing invited speakers 19:28:56 or we will have people with two bursary allocations and speaker with one that got a decline from the busary team (doesn't make us look very good) 19:28:56 to avoid incompatible decisions 19:29:05 we're talking about 1-3 people tops, it's not about a second chance for turned down travel sponsorship people 19:29:06 (i.e. allowing support that's not a debian contributor based bursary) 19:29:49 ok, I guess the content team could agree to not pick people who got turned down for travel by bursaries 19:29:53 that's sensible IMO 19:30:16 personally I think your overthinking it 19:30:30 fund who you want; we didn't reject people, we ran out of money 19:30:41 bremner: right ... but unless we're awash with money I don't really see the justification for adding this (I thought we were still on the negative side) 19:30:42 well, we might have rejected a small number 19:30:52 fair enough 19:31:03 moray: we are on the negative side, yes 19:31:12 by how much? 19:31:15 but that doesn't mean we couldn't go further negative, if our DPL agrees 19:31:44 we still are, just slowly getting into sight of a black zero (~$30k the last time I did the maths) 19:32:07 fwiw i've already mailed bursaries to know if budget should be adjusted 19:32:27 it should not be an issue, really 19:32:42 I'd support a content budget for inviting <=5 people, I think 19:33:09 I think we should allow 1-5 people for as speakers and the process of doing that is content gives the names to bursary 19:33:18 * azeem_ is trying to dig up last year's invited speaker budget 19:33:18 yeah, it's been about 3 people previously, i think? 19:33:30 that way we have one contact person for re-imbursements, explaining decisions etc. 19:33:39 last year we mostly funded bkuhn, plus some smaller local travel 19:33:39 * nattie mostly remembers Jacob Appelbaum asking my esteemed spouse who he is. tsk. 19:33:56 DLange: yup. sounds sensible. 19:34:06 * h01ger wont bring stickers this time 19:34:23 nattie: that scene was awesome! :) 19:34:41 indeed 19:34:44 :-) 19:34:52 can someone give this a $ / ZAR number, so we can give it to nkukard? 19:35:00 DLange: right, *if* more money is going out, I'd rather bursaries was involved somehow (even if they don't want more work!) 19:35:00 "get in touch with linux's maintainer" 19:35:05 "i am" 19:35:10 "oh" 19:35:21 "Well, that was awkward." 19:35:26 tumbleweed: I can try post-meeting 19:35:29 * mehdi shuts up now :-) 19:35:34 mehdi: fwiw, my point about budget responsibility was nothing to do with whether the DPL would approve more spending :) 19:35:35 what about LWN, btw 19:35:35 :) 19:35:38 azeem_: sure 19:35:39 #agreed Content team can name 1-5 invited speakers to be supported with food/accom and travel budget to bursary team who allocate funds and re-imburse 19:36:12 moray: sure 19:36:27 sounds like more of a job for wafer than bursaries team... 19:36:29 I also need to know when all values are in so I can submit to Mr mehdi for approval :) 19:37:00 um, good question about LWN 19:37:13 azeem_: the person requesting was not funded from busary's budget 19:37:29 we have a 0 budget for LWN 19:37:32 err for press 19:37:40 DLange: was that a question? 19:37:40 aka LWN 19:37:56 azeem_: no, the answer to your question 19:38:05 DLange: was that about DC15 or DC16? 19:38:12 azeem_: dc16 19:38:40 azeem_: DC16; DC15 LWN was invited & re-imbursed 19:38:52 whether we should allocate a budget for that is a whole other discussion :P 19:39:02 maybe after the meeting? 19:39:05 we're already over 19:39:08 sorry :( 19:39:15 (over team, I mean) 19:39:24 #topic wiki needs love 19:39:26 over time, too :) 19:39:28 I think the topic speaks for itself 19:39:42 yes please. Many red links still. 19:39:49 highvoltage: around? 19:39:50 and I dream that some day we'll figure out why CSS is broken for non-logged in users 19:39:58 he sent apologies on teh list 19:40:07 aah, okis 19:40:09 DLange: he excused himself tonight 19:40:11 I unredded one link! 19:40:16 \o/ 19:40:25 #topic reconfirmation 19:40:26 olasd: thank you. Once at a time we'll get there :) 19:40:30 right, I guess we have to do this now 19:40:42 +1 (that topic item is from me :)) 19:40:49 we do. also, we decided we close reconf on the 20th, right? 19:40:50 another box below final dates that says "Really final, I'm coming" ? 19:41:39 nattie: 10 days isn't really long enough to catch everyone 19:41:57 tumbleweed: people should tick final dates and done. Who has final already should just be getting his data in email and ask to double check. 19:41:59 I'd say at least two weeks if we don't want people pleading special cases a lot 19:42:02 moray: tant pis pour eux 19:42:20 DLange: no, really, we need a separate explicit step 19:42:27 yes 19:42:30 aunt pees for water? (my French sucks) 19:42:49 DLange: "too bad for them" 19:43:00 too bad for us, if we're paying for them 19:43:04 yeah 19:43:12 they probably cost us money if they don't turn up 19:43:17 nattie: you're in the lead for this. I'm fine with another box if you feel you need it. 19:43:26 also, we're going to need an e-mail 19:43:30 (i.e. the body) 19:43:42 tumbleweed: i'll get that written 19:43:48 I'm happy to play cate's role, if you need :P 19:44:06 so, timing 19:44:11 10 days not enough? 19:44:30 I don't see any reason we can't send the emails tonight, if we can get it written 19:44:53 tumbleweed: we're paying for them anyways (accom) and food, we'll probably partially too depending on how we make the contracts 19:45:03 yeah 19:45:15