18:30:17 <tumbleweed> #startmeeting 18:30:17 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Jun 15 18:30:17 2016 UTC. The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:30:17 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:30:38 <tumbleweed> Agenda: https://deb.li/DC16meet1 18:30:39 <cate> tumbleweed: please ping all 18:30:52 <tumbleweed> oh, did nobody pingall? 18:31:01 <tumbleweed> I saw your ping and assumed it was a pingall :P 18:31:04 <highvoltage> this is starting to feel like a conference call. 18:31:05 <nkukard> tumbleweed, MeetBot was beeing disobedient 18:31:06 <tumbleweed> MeetBot: pingall meeting time 18:31:06 <MeetBot> meeting time 18:31:06 <MeetBot> _rene_ amaya ana AndrewLee andrewsh asheesh aviau azeem babilen bdale blarson bremner bubulle_ buxy CarlFK carnil cate Clint cnote cpt_nemo cyphermox cyrilb darst deki DLange dumbassman elbrus esh faw FBI fil formorer Ganneff gasuleg gfa ginggs greenman_ gregoa 18:31:06 <MeetBot> gwolf gxg h01ger highvoltage Hodgestar hug_ hvhaugwitz indiebio ivodd iwamatsu jathan jcristau jeansch juliank JuN1x jvw Kaare KGB-0 KGB-1 KGB-2 krait Laney larjona lavamind lucas madduck marga Maulkin maxy MeanderingCode MeetBot mehdi Mithrandir mollydb moray 18:31:06 <MeetBot> msantana n0rman nattie nicoo nkukard OdyX olasd pabs paddatrapper pocock pollo rmayorga rul santiago schultmc_ schultmc__ sgran shirish_ Sicelo Sledge superfly taffit taffit_sud tamo tassia tokkee tumbleweed tvaz vorlon wendar xnox zlatan zumbi 18:31:06 <MeetBot> meeting time 18:31:08 <gwolf> cate: FWIW I have to be in 1hr at home, so I'll be here for ~30min 18:31:14 <gwolf> (as you wondered earlier on) 18:31:49 <highvoltage> (highvoltage too) 18:32:10 <tumbleweed> #topic review the website 18:32:24 <tumbleweed> I don't know who the anonymous person who wrote this item is 18:32:41 <highvoltage> not me, but we talked about the website on monday 18:32:46 <cate> it seems all indiebio stuffs, IMO 18:32:52 <highvoltage> (highvoltage, tumbleweed and tamo) 18:33:05 <highvoltage> and she's going to pass along some new design items 18:33:08 <indiebio> wasn';t me 18:33:23 <tumbleweed> cate: I don't know, it's not the same colour as the obviously indiebio item 18:33:24 <highvoltage> some of the work is pretty simple so I'll just implement it to take a bit of load off of superfly where possible 18:33:27 <highvoltage> tamo: around? 18:33:37 * indiebio is sleep deprived, two beers down, done with the massive report and in a good mood. She might get noisy. 18:33:54 <highvoltage> anyway, I don't intend to do a website review during this meeting. 18:34:02 <tamo> yes 18:34:08 <indiebio> i think it was larjona 18:34:23 <tamo> highvoltage: I am here :) 18:34:50 <tumbleweed> does anyone want to talk about any of these subitems? 18:34:52 <tamo> tumbleweed: not me either? 18:35:09 <tumbleweed> shedule can't be published until we get it to display correctly 18:35:10 <cate> se let's change to the new item in agenda: "who submitted the agend?" 18:35:23 <tumbleweed> video streams can't be announced until they exist 18:35:25 <indiebio> I think it was a query, can these things be published, by e.g. larjona? 18:35:28 <tumbleweed> (usually during debcamp) 18:35:34 <tumbleweed> volunteers page should probably exist 18:35:37 <tumbleweed> volunteers to write it? 18:35:57 <cate> tumbleweed, wendar : Is schedule final 18:35:59 <cate> ? 18:36:05 <tumbleweed> cate: is the schedule ever final? 18:36:10 <gwolf> cate: It is not final 18:36:22 <gwolf> cate: It is taking form, and some bits of it are close-to-final 18:36:26 <indiebio> tumbleweed: who can I talk to to get a DebianDay / Open Festival webpage? 18:36:29 <gwolf> ...but it's still not blessed as such 18:36:36 <cate> tumbleweed: there will be addition, but usually what is is in schedule is scheduled 18:36:38 <indiebio> I will prepare the content, just need to know how to load it up 18:36:59 <cate> indiebio: where? homepage?, wiki? 18:37:26 <indiebio> cate: link from homepage, with basic info, and on that page can link to wiki for details 18:37:39 <tumbleweed> cate: even then people ask to move things around 18:37:52 <cate> me, tumbleweed, highvoltage, superfly, nattie, DLange and other can add new pages. but I think only superfly can create menu in the correct order 18:37:56 <tumbleweed> indiebio: prepare the content, prod superfly (or me, if that doesn't work) 18:38:05 * tumbleweed can do menus too 18:38:30 <tumbleweed> moving the CoC. Should we give it its own page? 18:38:35 <nattie> yes 18:38:37 <tumbleweed> it makes the menus longer 18:38:39 <nattie> (imo) 18:38:46 <tumbleweed> but that seems to be a reasonable tradeoff 18:38:50 <highvoltage> yeah but it should have its own canonical link 18:38:59 <nattie> we need to make it pretty prominent especially in the current climate 18:39:10 <tumbleweed> highvoltage, superfly: Can I action one of you? Or does this need me? 18:39:19 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: +1 18:39:26 <superfly> is there a list of specific things we need to do? I work better with specifics. 18:39:26 <superfly> (other than the schedule, which I'm still trying to figure out) 18:39:30 <highvoltage> (as in, happy to take it) 18:39:31 <cate> A summary page with links and the two code of conduts, IMO 18:39:32 <gwolf> Yes, the CoC should be highlighted IMO 18:39:38 <cate> links and email 18:39:41 <tumbleweed> superfly: I'm working on the schedule - https://github.com/CTPUG/wafer/pull/259 18:39:49 * highvoltage read that as "highvoltaged", but it still works 18:39:56 <gwolf> (specially in the light of what's beind discussed in d-private, for those who follow) 18:40:09 <indiebio> tumbleweed, superfly: will do 18:40:26 <tumbleweed> #action highvoltage to move CoC to its own page 18:40:27 <nattie> gwolf: yep, that's pretty much what i was saying 18:40:38 <tumbleweed> site credits link. superfly? 18:41:04 <cate> and source links 18:41:19 <tumbleweed> thats really what it's about, yes 18:42:17 <tumbleweed> #action tumbleweed to add credits link to the website 18:42:28 <tumbleweed> and now we get to indiebio's question that we've already covered 18:42:36 <tumbleweed> #topic welcome kit 18:42:42 <tumbleweed> nattie? 18:42:43 <superfly> (sorry, I'm lagging by 30-odd seconds here, not seeing everything immediately) 18:42:50 <nattie> tumbleweed: we're working on it 18:42:59 <tumbleweed> superfly: :( 18:43:33 <tumbleweed> highvoltage: do we have a SIM card for the front desk, yet? 18:43:57 <DLange> o/ late ... traveling 18:44:01 <nattie> hi DLange 18:44:16 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: I'll go get 'em at Friday 18:44:32 <nattie> we have the wherewithal for the mail and PDF and will assemble it shortly 18:44:36 <tumbleweed> #action nattie is working on a welcome kit 18:44:39 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: I have at least one, for front desk, but should have enough for most of orga on Friday, first come first serve 18:44:54 <tumbleweed> highvoltage: can you give me the number for that, so we can start putting it on things? 18:45:14 <tumbleweed> also, it better get reception on campus :P 18:45:15 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: yep 18:45:18 <tumbleweed> is it vodacom? 18:45:35 <tumbleweed> or MTN (IIRC those were the two we thought worked best) 18:45:42 * gwolf comes in late, hope to be served with one :-} 18:45:50 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: it's telkom mobile that roams on MTN if needed, I usually have better signal than anyone else in the venues where the CLUG talks happen :) 18:45:59 <tumbleweed> highvoltage: great, that's what matters 18:46:01 <gwolf> nattie: You arre working on the welcome kit, but do we know +- what its contents are? 18:46:17 <tumbleweed> highvoltage: I have some basic phones if we want one for front desk, too 18:46:22 <nattie> gwolf: contact numbers, information, etc. 18:46:25 <gwolf> I mean, we usually have printouts with maps, important tips and stuff... which can still be gathered, if needed 18:46:27 <gwolf> yup 18:46:36 <gwolf> do you think you need any kind of help for the "etc" part? :) 18:47:07 <highvoltage> tumbleweed: sounds good, I don't have spare phones, but can also go get if needed 18:47:18 * tumbleweed has some old nokias lying around 18:47:22 <indiebio> which reminds me 18:47:25 <gwolf> (most of those pages could be saved from printing by providing offline... but we often go on the side of determining what needs to get to everybody) 18:47:33 <indiebio> #action indiebio to sort out orienteering maps 18:47:56 <tamo> gwolf: we are working on that, with important numbers, maps etc 18:48:07 <gwolf> good. I'll stop making noise then 18:48:10 <tumbleweed> are we done here? 18:48:34 <tumbleweed> from the agenda: Publicity coverage during DebConf: microblogging, blog posts, channels, volunteers. 18:48:38 <nattie> are publicity team people coming? 18:48:41 <cate> Do we have press representant in wafer? 18:48:57 <tamo> gwolf: :) 18:49:00 <tumbleweed> cate: you mean, which people said they are press? 18:49:06 <cate> yes 18:49:17 <indiebio> I'm about to spend the next two weeks on this... no promises though 18:49:53 <tumbleweed> cate: only someone who we thought was a chancer looking for a visa 18:50:21 <cate> ok. press uses other way to get visa 18:51:00 <nicoo> Diplomatic press-ure? :> 18:51:30 <tumbleweed> indiebio: I assume you'll coordinate with larjona on press stuff as usual 18:51:33 <cate> tumbleweed: without larjona I think we should suspend this topic 18:51:50 <indiebio> tumbleweed: as far as I can, yes, we can probably info that 18:52:03 <indiebio> nicoo: ba-dum-tish 18:52:05 <tumbleweed> #info indiebio will coordinate with larjona on press stuff as usual 18:52:12 <tumbleweed> #topic call for sprints 18:52:14 <tumbleweed> did this happen yet? 18:52:55 <indiebio> i think this was highvoltage 18:52:56 <highvoltage> tumbleweed, nattie: Front Desk No: 081 303 7458 / +27 81 303 7458 18:52:59 <cate> It is getting late now. Do it now, or skip. 18:53:06 <cate> I didn't remember any mail 18:53:08 <highvoltage> let's skip the item, 18:53:13 <nattie> highvoltage: cheers! 18:53:14 <highvoltage> it's ready for larjona to send 18:53:27 <highvoltage> so I think it's something that can just be done now asap 18:53:46 <olasd> I think cate was talking about skipping the call, not the agenda item 18:53:53 <tumbleweed> #info Front Desk No: +27 81 303 7458 18:53:54 <gwolf> Given that sprints will not have to be approved... 18:53:54 <cate> yes 18:53:57 <highvoltage> #action highvoltage check with larjona if anything is still needed for debcamp cfp and get it out 18:53:58 <gwolf> I'd still like them to be announced 18:54:05 <highvoltage> *nod* 18:54:14 <gwolf> if not for anything more, to let people know what they are about, what other people are working on 18:54:15 <tumbleweed> #topic open weekend name 18:54:22 <tumbleweed> indiebio: you want to rename the open weekend? 18:54:29 <DLange> call it Bob :) 18:54:32 <tumbleweed> I don't know how well Debian Day Open Festival applies to a weekend 18:54:44 <indiebio> it's not Debian Day Open Weekend 18:55:04 <cate> 40 hours of Debian and Opennesses 18:55:07 <indiebio> it's Debian(day) Open Festival, which may or may not be a day 18:55:12 <cate> with some less s and e 18:55:13 <indiebio> but, moving on... 18:55:14 <nicoo> indiebio: Happy t serve. 18:55:17 <nicoo> to* 18:55:32 <indiebio> it's been renamed. deal with it. :P 18:56:11 <cate> Debian Beer Opener 18:56:42 <tumbleweed> indiebio: well I'm not hearing any objection, so yeah, I guess it has been :) 18:57:10 <tumbleweed> indiebio: I assume we're going to have to update some things? 18:57:11 <indiebio> not a big deal. now, the next item had a big discussion. but I suspect it has a big discussion every yeat 18:57:18 <indiebio> s/yeat/year 18:57:36 <tumbleweed> naah, it's a baby discussion 18:57:39 <indiebio> I'm about to update stuff anyways, so I'll take care of it, but when you see stuff, you know what to do 18:57:43 <cate> quick, we have only 3 minutes of gwolf 18:58:07 <tumbleweed> #topic keysigning 18:58:17 <indiebio> I remember Big Discussions last year about key signing, and I thought it will be sorted by printing stuff on name badges ... but apparently not 18:58:21 <tumbleweed> do we have an on-the-ground keysigning coordinator? 18:58:43 <cate> gwolf I assume 18:59:04 <indiebio> I was thinking a big ass poster at the door 18:59:09 <tumbleweed> gwolf: do you want a session to introduce safe keysigning? 18:59:15 <indiebio> uh. big-ass. 18:59:20 <nattie> a big ass-poster? 18:59:32 <indiebio> lols, nattie, my mind is reeling 18:59:36 <cate> tumbleweed: I think he will already do such talk on monday 19:00:09 <tumbleweed> cate: I don't think that talk is that 19:00:13 <indiebio> the debconf-discuss thing asked for a hash mention each morning 19:00:14 <gwolf> tumbleweed: not exactly 19:00:15 <DLange> I added my ksp # as the "badge third line" 19:00:17 <cate> Anyway I don't understand this repetition of hash. Everybody should do it, with enough time and in private, IMO 19:00:24 <highvoltage> indiebio: tamo said we can expect some namebadge designs soon 19:00:25 <DLange> may be we can do that for everybody in the ksp list? 19:00:25 <indiebio> but then others asked that it not get miss repeated 19:00:25 <tumbleweed> indiebio: we don't have a morning session like germany did 19:00:36 <tumbleweed> so how does that work? 19:00:39 <gwolf> tumbleweed: I have a 20min talk in which I want to talk about some ideas I have (and some analysis I've made) regarding our keyring 19:00:46 <highvoltage> indiebio: I showed her the UDS badges and there's some ideas that formed around that 19:00:50 <gwolf> ...but it can also be a good kickstart for the continuous KSP 19:01:03 <gwolf> however, 20min is short if I am to explain the details of a KSP 19:01:08 <tumbleweed> I assume we can kickstart continuous KSP in the opening talk too 19:01:19 <gwolf> ...so maybe we should hold a 20min KSP session? don't really know... 19:01:22 <tumbleweed> but we really should have a more details talk around then too 19:01:26 <gwolf> tumbleweed: Yes, I think it can be very good 19:01:39 <tumbleweed> gwolf: can you be scheduled on it? 19:01:42 <gwolf> ...And ask people to informally go grab people and ask about more details if they need it 19:01:45 <indiebio> I was thinking there be an opening talk (non-technical)on Sunday, and then an opening talk (technical + housekeeping) on Monday, but wendar is the person to have the final say there 19:01:56 <gwolf> tumbleweed: if you think we should have a KSP introduction, by all means, count me in 19:02:12 <gwolf> cate: thanks for reminding me of the time ;-) Yes, I should leave soon 19:02:22 <tumbleweed> and we'll try to get ID numbers on nametags 19:02:36 <indiebio> or a blank space and/or stickerts 19:02:37 <gwolf> indiebio: there are several issues with big posters... as we want people to verify *each* of their local copies of the file 19:02:42 <tumbleweed> and have some printouts of the notepaper? 19:02:53 <gwolf> We can get a big-ass poster with the full 256-bit SHA256 of the file 19:03:03 <gwolf> tumbleweed: No, no printouts of the full paper 19:03:16 <gwolf> it has to be an electronic document you control at your computer 19:03:17 <highvoltage> don't need a poster for the checksum 19:03:20 <indiebio> gwolf, we can take this off-line as a team discussion? I just think considering alternatives to talking announcements may be useful 19:03:25 <gwolf> surely 19:03:28 <indiebio> or, in addition to 19:03:29 <cate> I don't trust im-posters 19:03:44 <tumbleweed> I'm letting this agenda item ramble because there's nothing else on the agenda 19:03:44 <gwolf> indiebio: Just answering here because the point is in the agenda 19:03:49 <indiebio> sure 19:03:54 <indiebio> but we don't need to decide now 19:03:55 * gwolf wants to leave, as today I'll have to catch a taxi 19:04:09 <gwolf> but yes, I'll be back in the (in _my_) afternoon 19:04:18 <DLange> when we all sleep :) 19:04:23 <gwolf> lets talk (and implement measures) later 19:04:31 <indiebio> I'll be asleep for at least the next 12 hours. bliss. 19:04:33 <gwolf> DLange: approx. 5-7PM GMT-5 19:04:40 <gwolf> I don't expect you to sleep so soon 19:04:42 <gwolf> indiebio: oh :( 19:04:51 <gwolf> anyway, /me flees... lets discuss later on 19:05:01 * gwolf thanks the Swiss timekeeper for his reminder 19:05:04 <tumbleweed> #topic any other business 19:05:17 <indiebio> so... let me get this straight... 19:05:26 <tumbleweed> I think lots of other things are happening in their corners 19:05:27 <indiebio> we're one week away from DebConf, and there isn't panic ??? 19:05:33 <tumbleweed> why should there be? 19:05:39 <highvoltage> indiebio: 2 weeks 19:05:42 <indiebio> because ... conferences 19:05:51 <tumbleweed> ginggs prodded venues for final approval, now that we've got the fee waived 19:05:52 <indiebio> well done, team! 19:06:17 <tumbleweed> highvoltage: 1 week to debcamp 19:06:24 <highvoltage> indiebio: debcamp should be easy, and we'll all be around to take care of last-minute emergencies for DC16, with such an awesome team what could possibly go wrong. 19:06:31 <indiebio> tumbleweed: team effort, but ginggs did well 19:06:32 <tumbleweed> then we can confirm venue equipment (projectors), and network stuff 19:06:43 <indiebio> famous last words, highvoltage ;) 19:06:43 <tumbleweed> indiebio: very well :) 19:07:16 <cate> So what should we do this week? 19:07:25 <highvoltage> I'm hoping that if I tempt fate hard enough it will wrap around all the way back to mostly harmless. 19:07:28 <tumbleweed> I sent Paul (our C3 contact) numbers & diets for meals 19:07:39 <indiebio> I'm harassing people in person this week. Open Festival, sponsors ... marketing.. 19:08:07 <tumbleweed> tamo has t-shirts, bags, banners, and menus on the fly? :) 19:08:14 <tumbleweed> (not to mention swag) 19:08:22 <tamo> tumbleweed: Yup :) 19:08:29 <cate> menus? 19:08:41 <tumbleweed> cate: back and forth with C3 over details of the menu 19:08:45 <tamo> tumbleweed: and name tags 19:08:52 <cate> tamo should do also the food tickets, and the thankyou letters 19:08:53 <tumbleweed> and name tags, yes 19:08:54 <superfly> I'm on leave from next week Thursday, so I'll be on site for anything that needs hands 19:09:03 <larjona> Ah! I Forgot the meeting!!!! 19:09:13 <tumbleweed> highvoltage and I will be on site from Monday, I think 19:09:22 <cate> larjona: just out of curiosity, did you put most of the item in agenda? 19:09:39 <larjona> I put the non nimbered items 19:09:43 <larjona> Numbered 19:09:53 <tamo> cate: sure, I am getting the big stuff out the way this week, that needs design and approval, then we can look at that maybe next week 19:10:01 <tumbleweed> oh, for all of you who don't know, tomorrow is a public holiday, so we'll probably be doing a lot (but nothing will happen at UCT) 19:10:08 <larjona> I'm so sorry! Evening at home was tough 19:10:23 <tumbleweed> larjona: that's all the items :) 19:11:12 <tumbleweed> sonuds like we're done 19:11:35 <cate> yes 19:11:37 <tumbleweed> #endmeeting