14:00:14 <pollo> #startmeeting Roll Call 14:00:14 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Jul 3 14:00:14 2017 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:14 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:00:31 <pollo> Please say hello if you are here for the meeting 14:00:42 <lavamind> HELLO 14:00:44 <DLange> if 14:00:47 <medicalwei> owo/ 14:00:48 <olasd> you 14:00:49 <pollo> meanwhile, have a look at the proposed agenda: http://deb.li/il9wc 14:01:23 <czchen> Hi 14:01:32 <larjona> Hello 14:03:14 <pollo> #topic Bursaries 14:03:16 <tiago> hi 14:04:28 <olasd> I'm going to send the final emails about the travel budget having run out tonight 14:04:47 <azeem_> hi 14:04:48 <bremner> are we still overcommitted? 14:04:51 <olasd> I've let slip the confirmation deadline for F+A 14:05:02 <olasd> bremner: I think we're good 14:05:08 <olasd> need to run some "final" numbers 14:05:17 <pollo> #info final emails wrt to travel bursaries will be sent tonoght 14:05:46 <LeLutin> hello 14:06:51 <pollo> anything else? 14:06:59 <olasd> we have 27 unconfirmed F+A grants 14:07:08 <olasd> when should we put the final deadline? 14:07:26 <pollo> hmm, I think we can talk about this in Registration? 14:07:27 <olasd> (I think end of this week is reasonable) 14:07:32 <olasd> ok 14:07:34 <olasd> sure 14:07:41 <pollo> to me, this should be the same as global confirmation deadline 14:07:46 <DLange> would you be able to get more people travelling if these are not taken? 14:08:04 <olasd> DLange: no 14:08:33 <DLange> then it doesn't matter much do it as all F+A requests have been granted, not? 14:09:10 <bremner> it might help know how many rooms are needed 14:09:15 <olasd> yes, that 14:09:45 <pollo> #topic Registration 14:09:50 <DLange> so lavamind and pollo need to say until when we can possibly still reduce some cost to us ^ 14:10:33 <lavamind> DLange: whatever is written in the contracts 14:11:06 <lavamind> hopefully the hotel and residence managers will be forgiving, because at this point, afaik, we are paying for all the rooms we reserved 14:11:28 <olasd> which has been budgeted and is covered anyway? 14:11:32 <pollo> sure 14:11:32 <lavamind> yes 14:11:37 <pollo> olasd: PayPayl update? 14:12:02 <DLange> sure, this is just whether we can save some still if we need less rooms than currently reservered 14:12:12 <DLange> iirc there was a "some %" down option 14:12:21 <DLange> but then everything is in French :D 14:12:22 <olasd> pollo: PayPal payments are implemented, they're not wired up to the rest of the registration process 14:12:34 <pollo> #info PayPal payments are implemented, they're not wired up to the rest of the registration process 14:12:46 <pollo> did the PP sandbox work after all? 14:12:55 <olasd> it "works" now 14:13:08 <olasd> I can't seem to get guest checkout to work on it though 14:13:37 <pollo> so the "only" thing left is to wire it to the reg process? 14:15:04 <olasd> few things: wire up the PayPal IPNs to update the state of invoices (just a few lines of code), create an invoice for all the registered attendees (a few lines in the console), wire up invoicing for new attendee 14:15:07 <olasd> s 14:15:20 <olasd> I have time to do that today 14:15:27 <lavamind> \o/ 14:15:33 <pollo> DLange: can we give olasd full access on that machine? 14:15:38 <pollo> seems much simpler 14:15:43 <lavamind> Ganneff: ^ 14:15:55 <DLange> I can't. Ganneff or tumbleweed can. 14:16:17 <pollo> #agreed olasd to have full access on the dc17.dc.o machine 14:16:49 <pollo> #info if everything goes according to plan, PayPal should be up today 14:16:52 <lavamind> as soon as PP is ready we move to enable confirmation ? 14:17:01 <pollo> +1 14:17:11 <lavamind> how much time do we give 14:17:13 <pollo> but we need to set a realistic confirmation deadline 14:17:26 <pollo> I'd say 10 full days 14:17:26 <lavamind> 10 days ? 14:17:29 <pollo> heh 14:17:43 <LeLutin> hehe. I was thinking 2 weeks. 10 days is close enough 14:17:54 <pollo> 2 weeks is too ling 14:18:06 <olasd> Friday July 14? 14:18:13 <lavamind> yes 14:18:15 <pollo> olasd: if paypal is up today 14:18:24 <olasd> $paypal + 10 days then 14:18:51 <pollo> #agreed confirmation deadline will be $paypal_integration_date + 10 days 14:19:26 <pollo> lavamind: with the latest pulls you should now be able to filter for special needs on the admin interface 14:19:39 <pollo> for food & accomm 14:19:42 <lavamind> ok still on the registration desk, we need to check whatever extra info people put in their registration records 14:20:06 <lavamind> #info lavamind to review special needs attendee records 14:20:38 <lavamind> the room assignments team is sort of mia, now news from them 14:21:20 <lavamind> before assigning indfividuals to specific rooms I think it's that teams responsibility to shuffle people between rvc, residences and the hotel 14:21:40 <lavamind> because, let us rememeber, we are about 30% overbooked onsite 14:22:07 <lavamind> closer to 50% even 14:22:28 <DLange> onsite max is 136 ppl.,rvc_single 31, rvc_double 20, hotel 4 14:22:42 <lavamind> nattie said she could start to attend meetings, but alas... 14:22:48 <pollo> on-site capacity is ~90 14:22:51 <pollo> rvc ~80 14:23:02 <pollo> so we'll need to put some people at RVC 14:23:09 <tvaz> lavamind, which team? 14:23:10 <pollo> and I don't think we really have time to ask... 14:23:16 <lavamind> tvaz: room assignments 14:23:28 <tvaz> ok, it's basically nattie and i? 14:23:36 <tvaz> anyone else? 14:23:42 <lavamind> I think ana, but not sure 14:23:43 <olasd> as a self paying attendee I don't mind an upgrade :P 14:23:45 <tvaz> ok 14:23:56 <tvaz> nattie, can you lead that? 14:24:04 <bremner> is rvc strictly an upgrade? 14:24:12 <pollo> not really imho 14:24:18 <pollo> it comes with some travel 14:24:24 <bremner> and no A/C 14:24:31 <bremner> but privacy. 14:24:32 <pollo> but you have a single room, dc16 style 14:24:35 <bremner> ack 14:24:39 <lavamind> only hotter 14:24:46 <bremner> A/C was very good in dc16 14:24:48 <olasd> it's a bedding upgrade :p 14:25:03 <lavamind> anyway, afaict we have only 2/10 otel rooms occupied 14:25:27 <lavamind> so, that's also to consider 14:25:37 <bremner> lottery? 14:25:40 <pollo> lavamind: maybe we can put the extra ppl that asked for double rooms at RVC there? 14:26:04 <lavamind> pollo: we have 9 double rooms at rvc, 9x2=18 14:26:15 <lavamind> so yeah 14:26:19 <lavamind> 1 couple 14:26:45 <olasd> the DebConf accommodation lottery 14:26:50 <pollo> +1 14:26:53 <lavamind> moving on 14:27:39 <lavamind> next topic pls 14:27:48 <pollo> #topic Volunteering system 14:27:58 <pollo> abdelq: are you here? 14:27:59 <lavamind> cate ? 14:28:02 <abdelq> Not much to say 14:28:06 <abdelq> Still following schedule 14:28:29 <abdelq> Pushed what I have done to date on the volunteers branch 14:28:40 <abdelq> will keep working on it and updating it 14:28:44 <lavamind> is it in a working state ? 14:28:51 <abdelq> models and admin, yes 14:29:06 <lavamind> cool so, progress :) 14:29:08 <pollo> #info work being done on the volunteering system 14:29:26 * lavamind presses red button 14:29:28 <olasd> so, no integration of the fosdem system? 14:29:47 <abdelq> Can't really integrate it like that 14:30:13 <olasd> fine 14:30:33 <abdelq> I'm mostly editing it to fit wafer 14:31:11 <olasd> I'll look at the code and shut up 14:31:18 <pollo> #topic Venue & accommodation 14:31:55 <lavamind> for the venue 14:32:33 <lavamind> confirming the extra 12 classrooms for accommodation for 13 days brought up the bil 12k CAD 14:32:46 <lavamind> the final deposit has been sent out 14:33:00 <pollo> #action pollo to add new income from new classrooms to ledger 14:33:01 <lavamind> everything else, we'll discuss July 30 14:33:23 <lavamind> if need need to add more rooms, ex. for OD, we'll know July 30 14:34:04 <lavamind> we still don't have numbers of attendees per day at DebCamp 14:35:08 <tvaz> this should be fixed ^ 14:35:11 <tvaz> :\ 14:35:29 <lavamind> yep 14:35:36 <pollo> tvaz: wafer smutz 14:35:45 <lavamind> #info we don't know the numbers of attendees per day during DebCamp 14:36:08 <lavamind> that will come in handy to make adjustments to the spaces, if needed 14:36:13 <pollo> and food 14:36:21 <lavamind> yes and food! 14:36:31 <pollo> ah, maybe not, we have a proper filter for food 14:36:45 <pollo> so job fair? 14:37:00 <lavamind> yes job fair 14:37:01 <pollo> DLange: how many sponsors said they'd participate? 14:37:26 <DLange> four so far 14:37:50 <pollo> my opinion is still that the best time for the job fair is on the 6th 14:38:16 <DLange> that would be the Sunday after Open Day 14:39:28 <DLange> the best day is the day with most attendees on site (from a sponsors' perspective). So if that's the Sunday ... fine. 14:39:51 <lavamind> Sunday 14:40:17 <pollo> I'd say from 14:00 to 15:30? 14:40:21 <lavamind> I think the DC arrivals will more than exceed OD attendance, seeing as we have done nearly zero promotion for it so far 14:40:41 <DLange> I'd make it 2hrs. So 14:00-16:00 for example. 14:40:56 <lavamind> pollo: I would go for 11-13 14:41:06 <lavamind> rigth after the opening ceremory 14:41:08 <pollo> lavamind: that's in the middle of lunch 14:41:10 <DLange> then everybody will priorize lunch 14:41:18 <lavamind> lunch starts at noon 14:41:39 <DLange> still not good to collide that 14:41:48 <pollo> Sure, so what you propose is effectively a 11:00-12:00 job fair 14:41:50 <lavamind> I'd rather collide with that than with talks 14:41:53 <DLange> doesn't send a good message to sponsors about the value of their time 14:42:08 <DLange> we said we don't do talks in that time frame 14:42:17 <pollo> +1 14:42:41 <lavamind> I don't think we can afford so shave off such a big chunk of prime talk schedule realestate 14:42:45 <DLange> we don't have too many talks currently anyways. At least from what I understood from the content team, we still look good. 14:42:52 <pollo> People can still have informal meetings if they want 14:43:51 <lavamind> gwolf said he'd have a tentative schedule ready, iirc 14:43:56 <DLange> ack. Let's make it two hours and outside of lunch. So Sunday, 6 Aug 14:00-16:00? 14:44:20 <pollo> Anyone against ^^ ? 14:44:46 <lavamind> I'm still not convinced 14:44:51 <lavamind> but whatever 14:45:18 <lavamind> if we *have* to change the time it won't be *too* bad, at least itll be on the same day 14:45:28 <lavamind> so yeah, fine, go 14:45:45 <pollo> DLange: I'll be the one on site making this happen 14:46:00 <pollo> AFAIK we only need tables and a few other things 14:46:02 * lavamind is a bit concerned only 3 people have an opinion on this 14:46:08 <DLange> #agreed Sunday, 6 Aug 14:00-16:00 job fair. Pollo is local organizer. 14:46:27 <DLange> great, I'll tell sponsors then and make sure you're in the loop 14:46:38 <pollo> Anything else wrt to registration? 14:46:47 <lavamind> we'rte in venue & accomm 14:46:52 <pollo> Oops 14:46:54 <lavamind> for accom: yes 14:47:08 <lavamind> I just got a reminder from RVC, they want the rooming list 14:47:28 <lavamind> I've been stalling the hotel manager who requested it 2 weeks ago 14:47:39 <lavamind> so far I haven't received any threats :s 14:48:25 <lavamind> I would ***really*** help to be able to commint to at least a *number* of hotel rooms we want to keep 14:48:29 <olasd> why the hell do they want a rooming list (I know it's in the contract)? 14:48:41 <lavamind> so that I could start to negotiate ASAP 14:48:41 <olasd> they're making DebConf pay for $foo rooms 14:49:02 <lavamind> olasd: not everyone arrives/leaves at the same dates 14:49:26 <lavamind> we don't want to pay for unused nights for people who arrive 1 or 2 days info DC 14:49:35 <lavamind> s/info/into/ 14:49:53 <lavamind> for the hotel, I don't think we need 10 rooms 14:50:01 <lavamind> but maybe 6? 8? 14:50:15 <lavamind> each room we get to cancel frees up 1.2k CAD 14:50:57 <olasd> I see 14:51:01 <tvaz> what's the bad side of committing only 6? 14:51:18 <DLange> we have 4 people in wafer with $hotel set. So add the ones you know about and cancel the rest of the rooms? 14:51:54 <lavamind> DLange: that adds up to 2 rooms, and I can't figure out their full names, wafer won't say 14:52:22 <DLange> I guess I can find these for you. I'll get them after the meeting. 14:52:28 <lavamind> the others, the room assignment team needs to look it 14:52:35 <lavamind> into it 14:52:56 <tvaz> are we going to have enough places at rvc for moving people from insite accomm? 14:53:11 <pollo> tvaz: yes 14:53:54 <pollo> tvaz: but we need the room assignment to be done asap 14:53:55 <tvaz> so I'd go on cancelling most of hotel rooms then, keep only those 2 and *maybe* one or two more 14:54:20 <lavamind> I'm comfortable attemtping to cancel 50% 14:54:50 <tvaz> pollo, yes, but we can close this thing by having only a few rooms at the hotel 14:54:53 <pollo> #agreed, we'll only keep 5 rooms at the hotel 14:55:06 <tvaz> as backup for those unable to move away to mcgill 14:55:26 <tvaz> it's a matter of emptying buffer for lavamind 14:55:27 <lavamind> ok I'll coordinate with assigments 14:55:48 <pollo> anything else? 14:56:05 <tvaz> nope 14:56:19 * lavamind thinking 14:56:26 <tvaz> btw, I'll free my local accomm request 14:56:47 <lavamind> tvaz: did you find a bed close by ? 14:57:17 <tvaz> lavamind, I'll ask a friend, if that won't work I'll volunteer to stay at rvc 14:57:24 <lavamind> ok 14:57:38 <pollo> #topic Content 14:57:50 <pollo> I've only had time to have a quick look at the talks for Open Day 14:57:57 <pollo> I'll try to get a schedule by wed 14:58:01 <lavamind> gwolf is on vacation, he won't work on the schedule 14:58:22 <lavamind> azeem seems to have started work on it, unclear 14:58:36 <lavamind> pollo: I can help for the OP schedule 14:58:41 * highvoltage catches up 14:58:50 <lavamind> let's meet up tonight or later for that 14:58:55 <pollo> lavamind: sure 14:59:35 <lavamind> afaict, the content team's cry for help was met with deafening silence, except for pollo taling on OD 14:59:46 <lavamind> so, not impressed :/ 15:00:10 <lavamind> hopefully we'll have a schedule beofre debcamp? maybe 15:00:48 <highvoltage> lavamind, pollo: sorry I missed the cry for help, anything I could do? 15:00:56 <azeem_> well, gwolf is away this week, and I'm really busy 15:01:03 <azeem_> but we'll try to get something done 15:01:52 <bremner> azeem_: is there a standalone task I could for a few hours today? 15:03:27 <azeem_> don't think so :-/ 15:03:33 <bremner> ok 15:04:01 <azeem_> well we need to (i) create the rooms where talks will be in (ii) create the timeslots and then (iii) match talks to slots in rooms 15:04:34 * azeem_ is out of the loop, so if somebody wants to do (i) and (ii) based on prior discussion, that'd be helpful but otherwise I'll look it up 15:05:12 <pollo> azeem_: I'll do that 15:05:27 <pollo> #action pollo to set up talk rooms and talk slots in wafwer 15:05:36 <pollo> anything else? 15:05:46 <azeem_> cool 15:05:57 <azeem_> well gwold accepted the talks we wanted to accept so far 15:06:01 <highvoltage> pollo: I'm happy to be a second pair of eyes if it would be useful for me to be around when you do that fwiw 15:06:02 <azeem_> and annouced it 15:06:14 <lavamind> thanks gwolf ! 15:06:37 <highvoltage> pollo: I guess you already have a good idea which rooms will be used for talks 15:06:53 * DLange needs to run for a meeting o/ 15:07:09 <pollo> #topic Conference dinner 15:07:46 <lavamind> we have a meeting with the managers there 15:07:52 <lavamind> 10:30 AM tomorrow 15:08:01 <lavamind> can you be there pollo, tvaz ? 15:08:28 <tvaz> there are a few questions regarding alcohol that I'll ask the catering service as soon as they come back from vac (this week) 15:08:30 <pollo> lavamind: I'd prefer not to since I'm not involved in the conf dinner organisation 15:08:34 <tvaz> lavamind, yes, I can be there 15:08:54 <KanBot-0> 03Louis-Philippe Véronneau commented on the task #122 Obtain permit for alcohol sale & consumption 10https://kanban.debian.net/t/122#event-1374 15:08:54 <KanBot-0> 03Louis-Philippe Véronneau moved the task #122 to the column "Done" Obtain permit for alcohol sale & consumption 10https://kanban.debian.net/t/122#event-1375 15:08:54 <KanBot-0> 03Louis-Philippe Véronneau closed the task #122 Obtain permit for alcohol sale & consumption 10https://kanban.debian.net/t/122#event-1376 15:09:06 <lavamind> tvaz: please be on time! 15:09:19 <lavamind> pollo: your input would still be helpful 15:09:21 <tvaz> for the 'conference party' we have two artists confirmed and I'm in contact with easternbloc about equipment rental 15:09:42 <tvaz> also, I'm to confirm a third attraction 15:09:48 <tvaz> s/confirm/propose 15:09:52 <lavamind> tvaz: before the meeting, please figure out what space (sq meters/feet) you'll need 15:10:13 <tvaz> lavamind, ok 15:10:14 <lavamind> because they are really insistent about this 15:10:23 <pollo> #info a local meeting with the Tower ppl will happen on july 4th AM 15:10:38 <lavamind> tvaz: do you want to meet at 10 AM to discuss things among ourselves before ? 15:10:41 <pollo> #info we have 2 bands scheduled and are looking for a third 15:10:58 <tvaz> lavamind, yes, let's do it 15:11:07 <lavamind> I think it would be helpful, we shouldn't discuss among ourselves too much with the managers 15:11:37 <lavamind> tvaz, pollo I'll send you an email with meeting details 15:11:58 <tvaz> lavamind, thanks, just give me a place to be at 10am 15:12:06 <lavamind> yes 15:12:16 <pollo> anything else? 15:12:20 <lavamind> that's it 15:12:26 <pollo> #topic Artwork 15:12:45 <pollo> #info we are waiting for SPI to give us credit card infos to buy the banners 15:13:04 <lavamind> can we agree to have at least the conf logo on the badges? :p 15:13:26 <pollo> lavamind: I can add it if you want 15:13:31 <lavamind> they don't *have* to look like we designed them the night before XD 15:13:32 <pollo> won't be super big though 15:14:03 <abdelq> pollo: link to what it looks like right now? 15:14:13 <lavamind> pollo: can I just use inkscape to do that ? 15:14:22 <lavamind> or will it screw up the xml ? 15:14:36 <pollo> hmm, 2 secs I have to gen them to show you 15:16:17 <pollo> hmm, i'm having a pb, I'll post it later 15:16:20 <abdelq> ok 15:16:28 <pollo> #topic Videoteam 15:16:35 <pollo> we chose the new camera model 15:16:42 <pollo> we are working on shipping atm 15:16:52 <pollo> and rental of the missing stuff 15:16:59 <olasd> I need to send the purchase order 15:17:08 <olasd> well, to have my treasurer send the purchase order 15:17:10 <olasd> or something 15:18:44 <pollo> #topic Next local meeting 15:19:05 <lavamind> we should have a local meeting asap 15:19:33 <lavamind> I propose either thursday or friday at my place 15:19:39 <lavamind> I'm away sat/sun 15:20:17 <pollo> Thursday is better for me 15:20:24 <LeLutin> thursday is fine for me too 15:20:49 <abdelq> Thursday is ok, would prefer friday 15:21:15 <lavamind> tvaz ? 15:21:41 <tvaz> oh 15:22:01 <tvaz> I may be away thu/fri :( 15:22:24 <lavamind> is wednesday better & 15:22:38 <lavamind> we need all hands on deck imho 15:22:41 <tvaz> wed works to me (sorry) 15:22:56 <lavamind> LeLutin, abdelq ? wednesday ? 15:23:02 <lavamind> (this week) 15:23:04 <tvaz> yes 15:23:13 <abdelq> wednesday after 12PM, I'm free 15:23:18 <pollo> I have a vidteam meeting at 13:00 but I'm free at other times wed 15:23:41 <lavamind> heh, so lunch? :p 15:23:41 <LeLutin> lavamind: wednesday night? 15:23:52 <lavamind> yeah could work 15:23:56 <lavamind> 19h ? 15:24:07 <lavamind> works for me 15:24:07 <LeLutin> I can probably make it 15:24:11 <tvaz> 19h yes 15:24:13 <abdelq> ok 15:24:35 <lavamind> #agreed next local team meeting this Wed at 19h at lavamind's 15:24:38 <pollo> #agreed next local meeting at lavamind's on Wed Luly 5th at 19:00 15:24:48 <lavamind> In this month of Luly 15:24:51 <pollo> #topic DC18 status update 15:25:29 <medicalwei> I have almost nothing to update other than the stickers are ready to deliver to DC17 15:25:37 <czchen> Just a reminder, don't forget to use tax identification number when buying anything for DC18. 15:26:06 <medicalwei> Also we seemed to missed out MEET TAIWAN fund 15:27:09 <czchen> Since the expected money for MEET TAIWAN is 10k NTD ~ 300 USD from OCF.tw information, I think it is not so important. 15:27:21 <medicalwei> However as the fund can only apply once for an event, we still have another chance to apply for next year (in this October) 15:27:48 <medicalwei> Also paulliu will deliver a talk for DC18 in a DC17 session. 15:27:59 <czchen> Keep it in kanboard, we can do it next year. 15:28:33 <czchen> That's all from my side. 15:28:55 <medicalwei> Any updates from venue? 15:30:11 <medicalwei> I think that's all. 15:30:13 <pollo> #topic Misc 15:30:20 <pollo> abdelq: https://share.riseup.net/#MR4s-lmE7HMRRsFfb2uufQ 15:30:23 <pollo> badges examples 15:30:56 <lavamind> pollo: nice! 15:30:57 <pollo> I want to buy a SIM + prepaid data plan for DC17 and since it's expensive (~80 CAD) I want to bill it to DC 15:31:09 <lavamind> I'd liek to do the same 15:31:19 <LeLutin> pollo: what's the letter in the lower right corner? 15:31:23 <lavamind> but I don't know yet how much my provider will charge, probably in the same range 15:31:29 <pollo> I think it's a good idea if lavamind and I are reachable at allt imes 15:31:30 <lavamind> LeLutin: menu 15:31:34 <LeLutin> ok 15:31:39 <abdelq> thanks. Adding the logo to the top left + centering name and username would probably look better 15:32:07 <pollo> abdelq: cool, username is centered between lang and meal swatch 15:32:14 <pollo> I'll center the name too 15:32:19 <bremner> what is the big M? meals? 15:32:26 <lavamind> MEAT 15:32:30 <abdelq> lol 15:32:33 <bremner> well, we're all meant 15:32:36 <bremner> err. meat 15:32:37 <lavamind> L for Lacto-ovo-vegetarian 15:32:39 <pollo> m = meat, o = other, v = vegan, l = vegetarian 15:32:52 <bremner> okie dokey 15:33:11 <lavamind> what does the color mean 15:33:15 <bremner> Q for questionable test in food. 15:33:19 <lavamind> why orange? 15:33:28 <pollo> #endmeeting