12:59:26 #startmeeting 12:59:26 Meeting started Thu Sep 14 12:59:26 2017 UTC. The chair is medicalwei[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:59:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 12:59:46 #topic 0 - Roll call 12:59:56 o/ 13:00:10 OdyX - DebConf Committee, only here for about a half hour. 13:00:16 Wave if you are attending this meeting owo/ 13:00:28 * Delib waves 13:00:29 o/ but traveling so not fully around (flaky network) 13:00:37 * n0rman_ \o/ 13:00:37 * nattie waves cheerfully 13:01:02 In the meanwhile please also check our meeting agenda: https://storm.debian.net/grain/uNF6W7gzmxGQHshgb5yCBS/ 13:01:30 here until about 10:30 13:01:40 what is that in real money? 13:01:46 28ish minutes from now? 13:01:58 aye 13:01:59 I'm somewhat around 13:02:07 Can the access to the agenda be widened ? 13:02:08 ok 13:02:24 OdyX: I'm not logged in and I have access 13:02:25 OdyX: try the deb.li link in the topic, that might work better 13:02:33 ah, yes 13:02:35 https://storm.debian.net/shared/6q9dXekz0Gme9qyQR4l3t-5WNyexYhBLKA91hgLU7CO 13:02:47 Ack; let's move ont 13:02:52 Ok 13:03:01 olasd, that worked 13:03:01 #topic 1 - Decide Regular Meeting Time 13:03:37 the hardest question of them all... 13:03:50 One meeting cannot fit all 13:04:06 … but it's also not just excluding tumbleweed. 13:04:32 and one that cannot work for all places at the same time 13:04:43 OdyX: indeed, Delib is in the same timezone IIRC 13:04:48 13 ~ 15 are good for me 13:04:48 a bit later like before (14:00 UTC, or 20:00 UTC+8 (local)) is okay for me 13:05:27 that would be nicer for tumbleweed as well 13:05:31 I'd start with "something"; let's not fine-tune here+now. 13:05:37 later his morning 13:05:44 remember that half-hour increments are also available 13:06:23 Ah true. 13:06:37 What problems if every 2nd meeting is different time? 13:06:38 14:30 UTC? 13:06:39 So should we start another round of decision? and also on Thursday? 13:06:53 Delib: people would forget which version we're on 13:06:54 Would be good to hear concerns. 13:07:03 Maybe we can poll again? 13:07:13 what's the point? 13:07:18 forgetting is one concern. 13:07:22 Website meetings which includes tumbleweed and exclude people in europe, and team meetings which excludes tumbleweed 13:07:39 Oasd 13:07:40 you've polled twice already, and people who didn't answer the poll still came back around with issues 13:07:50 olasd is also web team 13:08:20 polling a third time won't solve the fact that people are all around the world 13:08:28 many people are represented by time zone concerns expressed there. 13:08:33 Thursday *for the moment* is OK for me, but possibly not, later on 13:08:50 (depending on if i get into a particular class which meets Thursdays 1300-1400) 13:09:18 a meeting slot that will satisfy everyone all the time doesn't exist 13:09:24 *nods* indeed 13:09:38 Where's olasd btw? 13:09:42 and discussing accommodating the people that can't make it to the scheduled time during the scheduled time won't work either 13:09:43 medicalwei[m]: please break the tie :) 13:09:51 medicalwei[m]: in France AFAIK 13:09:52 Indeed 13:09:54 medicalwei[m]: Paris, France. 13:10:28 mnemonics for remembering? With rhymes like Two tuesdays and two etc. 13:10:32 I would think 14:30 a reasonable give and take for Taiwan team because it is actually a bit late 13:10:34 here 13:10:45 if the local team can accommodate pushing back the meeting time one or two hours then let's try that for the next meeting 13:10:54 and we'll see who can make it 13:11:06 Okay for me. 13:11:19 so, 14:30 UTC? 13:11:33 LGTM 13:11:34 I probably won't attend too many meetings at that time, but that's ok 13:11:36 +1 sounds good 13:11:37 what does that make in .tw time again? 13:11:38 agree 13:11:54 22:30 13:11:56 (10:30 pm) 13:12:22 oh wait, 14:30 is not so bad, except tuesdays and thursdays 13:12:30 As long as no team member here is in Australia... 13:12:32 let's #agree and #moveon ? 13:12:34 agree but home other times made available, maybe "sub-group" meetings 13:12:34 or Hawaii 13:12:38 hope 13:12:49 if we run into issues we can always change or split out topical meetings 13:12:58 Also on thursday, but not next week I suppose? 13:13:17 Not every week, every 3-4 is more than enough for now, provided work gets done. 13:13:43 czchen: how about you especially on sponsorship brochures? 13:13:50 I mean, the meeting time 13:14:13 14:30 is good for me 13:14:22 ok, let's go with that 13:14:24 FYI: I'll be boarding a ferry soon and may loose connection (aka don't wait for comments from me) 13:14:29 medicalwei[m]: can you do the honours? 13:14:32 lose, too 13:14:43 #agreed The regular meeting time will be at 14:30 UTC on Thursday 13:15:30 Okay to move on? 13:15:36 Just do. 13:15:36 yes 13:15:43 #topic 2 - Sponsor 13:15:58 (I think I have a perceivable delay here) 13:16:19 The current brichure issues are in agenda 13:16:22 (I've learnt from chairing the TC meetings that being timely and pushy through the topics is efficient; people will remind you if they want to come back on some topic; don't ask for permission, expect forgiveness :-) ) 13:17:02 Asking for last concerns and short pause is polite. 13:17:18 Okay. I think the font configuration is a non-issue for now? (but is not able to build on stretch) 13:18:07 Non-issue because can fix later? 13:18:21 #action medicalwei to take pictures for DC18 team with pollito 13:18:35 * nattie reminds people that the bulk of discussion should happen between meetings 13:18:35 How about the missing material parts? Anyone can help? 13:18:39 * znoteer sneaks into the meeting late 13:19:17 * andrewsh[m] wants to help, but not sure how 13:19:23 I replaced montreal paragraph with Taiwan paragraph, so that is new text to look at. 13:19:24 Number of countries of participants in DC17? 13:19:46 I think that's already in the DC17 closing video? 13:19:55 (not sure) 13:19:59 I gave thar wiki link two weeks ago 13:20:05 o/ 13:20:15 I think you need to set a target (date) for when the sponsorship brochure should be ready to be sent 13:20:16 data on particpants is on the wiki 13:20:16 highvoltage: good morning. 13:20:21 and people will work towards that 13:20:28 currently in brochure as "over twenty" 13:20:40 my guess only. 13:20:54 The original deadline is Sep 1. 13:21:05 (Also, action command can be used by anyone in the chat as I found out) 13:21:08 (also probably #action someone to drive the thing to completion) 13:21:53 We shall target next weekend so that we can start to find sponsor. 13:21:54 czchen: probably set a new deadline at Sep 28, or two weeks later? 13:22:03 Good for me. 13:22:18 DLange please repeat the country number link to me soonish? Or i will watch video. 13:22:31 #action czchen and co. to finish sponsor brochure and flyer before Sep. 28 13:22:31 don't set the deadline too far out, people will forget 13:22:41 Also, need to setup dc18 webpages 13:22:49 i'm on a tablet, nowiki links today 13:22:51 * medicalwei[m] dies 13:23:09 28th is fine, two weeks later would be a bit much 13:23:15 I can paste it tomorrow or use the searcg function pls 13:23:27 28th actually two weeks later 13:23:37 gives us a reasonable timeframe to make debconf18.debconf.org exist 13:23:43 oh, i thought you meant two weeks after the 28th. my mistake! 13:23:59 DLange, sounds good. 13:24:07 (*subtle* nudge towards the next point on the agenda) 13:24:20 #topic 3 - Website (Wafer) Status Update 13:24:23 Anyone can help for website? 13:24:35 I think that also means we have to set up wafer before Sep. 28 13:24:40 Or do we need a temporary site? 13:24:48 what's needed now is for the website team to get their heads out of the water 13:25:06 tumbleweed and I have been (separately) very busy vacationing over the last few weeks 13:25:14 (I was doing that before I found myself distracted 13:25:16 olasd: how dare you 13:25:17 no, the brochure is distributed from media.dc.o 13:25:25 no need fir wafer yet 13:25:29 DLange: but it points to debconf18.dc.o 13:25:36 (I guess?) 13:25:36 There are links in brochure 13:25:56 olasd, please be more specific about team trouble, or not inflamatory? 13:26:06 The links need to be good when we send brochure. 13:26:11 yes, and placeholders are fine 13:26:14 Delib: there's no trouble, just there hasn't been time 13:26:22 ah. 13:26:41 I'll collect a set of requirements for DSA hosting and submit the RT ticket to that end 13:27:00 I think the static site content also relies on the brochure content as I am going to copy-paste. 13:27:39 I made many many small changes yesterday. Almost every 2nd sentence. So please reread, anyone with time. 13:27:43 Anyone wants to take my job for making a static site? or I will continue to do this? 13:28:00 We should not setup the new wafer before we have a new machine, that'll just be double the work. 13:28:30 I should be able to submit the RT ticket tonight 13:28:49 it's "just" another django site with a postgres database, DSA has a bunch of these already 13:28:58 so it shouldn't be too hard 13:29:56 One thing I would like to make sure. At Sep. 28 will we have wafer online? or we need a placeholder? 13:30:28 I can't give you any guarantees as it'll depend on DSA workload 13:30:33 I think as long as it is not a dead link, it is good. 13:30:40 exactly 13:30:50 Then I will make the backup plan available 13:30:57 please do 13:31:01 #action medicalwei[m] to make a static site before brochures and flyers are distributed (Sep. 28) in case if wafer is not available at then 13:31:12 #action olasd to poke DSA for a new system for wafer 13:31:18 thanks 13:31:21 I think that's all 13:31:40 #topic 4 - DC17 Status Update 13:31:53 the DC17 team seems to be snoozing :p 13:32:15 we should submit theemail i drafted to DSA and then the RT tickets so the folks havecontext 13:32:32 DLange: which folks? 13:32:44 #topic 5 - Migrating DebConf Infra to DSA 13:32:56 olasd: DSA 13:33:00 I think enough DSA members have gotten the context peer to peer over the last 8 years... 13:33:32 #action DLange to send email to DSA from the draft here after review https://www.mail-archive.com/debconf-team@lists.debconf.org/msg14532.html 13:33:48 still they asked for a collection of the migrations pending 13:33:55 ok 13:35:00 I think the task list is more useful for the DebConf team as a todo list rather than to DSA (who will want individual tickets for work items anyway) 13:35:42 and each task needs service owners on the DebConf side before submission to DSA 13:36:48 or we decomission stuff like gallery.dc.o 13:37:04 and move that content to where? 13:37:09 like somebody wants to care for it or we clwan up 13:37:10 annex.dc.o 13:37:12 oh wait 13:37:25 i have previously offered to help with gallery.dc.o 13:37:28 but anyway 13:37:51 media / static / annex ... DSA's choice imho 13:38:20 trying to dump stuff on DSA is the best way to get nowhere 13:38:31 We should aim for lowest friction, aka "whatever they already use we could plug ourselves on" 13:38:41 but what olasd says too. 13:38:48 ack hence may be static 13:39:29 * medicalwei[m] has no idea for what DSA can provide. a VM with 100GB disk space possible? 13:40:19 can you review the hosts and comment on the Tasks in tge email draft where you have ideas/requests/volunteer? 13:40:20 anyway; the mail is useful as a list of things DebConf needs to find people to care for 13:40:29 If justified; certainly. I don't see what we need 100 Gb for though. 13:40:45 videos 13:40:53 ah, yes; of course :) 13:41:01 (and we'll need 1TB on top of the 100GB) 13:41:04 (:p) 13:41:06 medicalwei[m], might explore voip.ms #link 13:41:11 1.5 T cuurently 13:41:34 anyway; it makes sense for Debian (through DSA) to host that, rather than individuals on behalf of DebConf. 13:41:39 Delib, checking that out, but that's slow to me. 13:42:04 I agree on that tbh. Could ask if DSA is willing to host DebConf videos 13:42:07 anyways, can you action everybidy to review the email / task list? 13:42:14 Of course best to be official Debian, but I can speak well of the service another time. 13:42:35 #action everybody to review and amend the DebConf infra task list https://pad.sfconservancy.org/p/mtvpbvwuWu 13:42:39 #save 13:42:45 #action everyone to review the request sending to DSA: https://www.mail-archive.com/debconf-team@lists.debconf.org/msg14532.html 13:42:54 thanks 13:43:09 medicalwei[m], sorry I read VM as voicemail. 13:43:41 can i undo? 13:43:46 medicalwei[m]: #undo 13:43:48 :) 13:43:56 #topic 6 - Miscellaneous 13:44:04 we have 2m waves and the captain is speeding, typos happen... 13:45:10 #action medicalwei to update the timeline in wiki: https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Timeline 13:45:14 Who can create kanboard account? I don't know how to create one. 13:45:15 BDC17 ursary reimbursement processing is currently stalled on SPI 13:45:26 * DLange will lose connection soon. So o/. Ttyl! 13:46:08 (is thinking if olasd is going to back on DC17 topic) 13:46:15 Kanboard ... pollo; lavamind et al 13:46:16 fyi, the DebConf committee has started a task board https://storm.debian.net/grain/HDLvWQabW6jxtSNhvQJQi8/b/sandstorm/libreboard 13:46:25 medicalwei[m]: no, I have nothing else to add 13:46:38 #info DC17 bursary reimbursement processing is currently stalled on SPI 13:46:44 DLange: thanks 13:47:11 how to get an account at kanboard? 13:47:15 #info pollo and lavamind have permission to create Kanboard account 13:47:42 send email or PM your email addy to tge above 13:47:44 so debconf18 team needs a kanboard acct maker. 13:47:55 ? 13:48:29 perhaps good to have last year decide this year, for continuity? 13:48:53 I think so, we might need to find more local people to help. 13:49:46 do we have any DebConf "advertisement" for potential partners/venues/etc? 13:50:00 I would think so but I would let lavamind and pollo decide 13:50:22 andrewsh: that's on git which is hosted on alioth for now. I will give you more info later 13:50:30 ack, thanks 13:51:06 * andrewsh doesn't want to reinvent a wheel for his dc19 bid venue search 13:51:27 #action pollo or lavamind to make czchen and/or medicalwei have rights to create Kanboard account, if possible. 13:51:36 andrewsh: can you hold that thought for a moment? 13:52:06 we can sort it out after the meeting and point all the teams at it at once 13:52:51 * andrewsh hides 13:53:00 medicalwei[m]: it is done, you and czchen are now admins of Kanboard 13:53:10 Thanks! 13:53:10 ! 13:53:22 Thanks 13:53:30 Didn't notice that you are awake! 13:53:45 just came back from dropping off my kids @ daycare 13:54:22 Let's call it a meeting? 13:54:25 * nattie waves at lavamind 13:54:30 medicalwei[m]: it's a meeting! 13:54:43 lavamind: would you be willing to do a small DC17 status update before we wrap up? 13:54:47 * lavamind surfs nattie's wave 13:54:56 olasd: sure 13:54:58 #topic 4 - DC17 Status Update 13:55:04 all yours 13:55:30 pollo has been working on closing up accounts and making sure all vendors are paid, afaict 13:55:55 I sent the recommendation letters to Maisonneuve last week but didn't get a reply yet 13:56:28 I am arranging a specialized company to pick up all the cloth in my house, they will re-use it 13:56:57 am I missing anything ? 13:57:05 what about the garden? 13:57:08 reimbursement stall? 13:57:20 we decided not to close the non profit before all the accounts were paid 13:57:20 * medicalwei[m] is going to tag for the meetbot 13:57:53 Delib: that's not in our hands unfortunately, I know SPI has been steadily working though, they have updated the sponsors git lately 13:58:17 #info pollo has been working on closing up accounts and making sure all vendors are paid. before that dc17 team decided not to close the non profit 13:58:50 #info lavamind sent the recommendation letters to Maisonneuve last week but didn't get a reply yet 14:00:23 #info lavamind arranged a company to pick up the cloth and reuse it 14:00:24 medicalwei[m]: that's a tiny bit unclear - can you put a note saying the non profit will be closed after the bills are paid? 14:00:54 #info the DC17 non-profit will be closed after all the bills are paid 14:00:58 thanks 14:01:14 What clothes are these, lavamind? 14:01:18 after all, one doesn't want organisations hanging around for too long after the iteration of debconf they were made for 14:01:32 hopefully LeLutin has brought the LanETS equipment back 14:01:39 medicalwei[m]: not clothes, presumably, the privacy cloths for the dividers in the on-site rooms, i think 14:01:56 medicalwei[m]: not clothes, but the dorm cloths in between the beds 14:02:08 Ah 14:02:13 wot 'e said 14:03:10 right, is that everything from DC17 for the moment? 14:03:12 well run meeting. 14:03:20 that's all I can think of atm 14:03:38 cool, let's call it a day and proceed to the post-meeting snacks :) 14:03:45 Okay... so... 14:03:46 #endmeeting