14:30:17 <czchen> #startmeeting 14:30:17 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Nov 30 14:30:17 2017 UTC. The chair is czchen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:30:17 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:30:29 <czchen> #topic Roll call 14:30:33 <pollo> 0/ 14:30:38 <czchen> Please say hi if you are in this meeting 14:30:39 <tumbleweed> o/ (but also in an IRL meeting) 14:30:40 <czchen> hi 14:30:41 <szlin> hi 14:30:42 <medicalwei[m]> OwO/ 14:30:43 <znoteer> hello for a while anyway 14:30:47 <Delib> 0/ 14:30:54 <pollo> I'm here, but I'm also doing some sponsorship things, so ping me if I'm not replying 14:31:02 <czchen> no problem. 14:31:27 <czchen> Anyone else? 14:32:14 <nattie> hi 14:32:18 <DLange> o/ from Cape town 14:32:29 <nattie> i'm more or less here, but pending tablet battery 14:32:43 <DLange> ginggs and indiebio are here too 14:33:12 <Ganneff> moo 14:33:59 <czchen> #topic Submissions of DC19 candidatures 14:34:38 <Delib> There was a bit of IRC traffic discussion last week. 14:34:59 <Delib> Two teams communicating? 14:35:22 <nattie> ttbomk it's down to curitiba and bratislava now. unless greece is still in the running? 14:36:20 <Delib> Seems no one has heard from them. 14:36:34 <nattie> from greece? 14:36:42 <Delib> yes 14:36:42 <nattie> in that case it's down to two, which is not unusual 14:37:11 * larjona waves, half here 14:37:17 <nattie> hiya larjona 14:37:35 <nattie> is anyone from either bid present? 14:38:53 <czchen> Not sure if they knows the meeting time. Do we need to send the meeting schedule to them? 14:39:07 <Delib> Would some kind of "ping all" be useful to get people's attention? 14:39:15 <olasd> they should really be subscribed to debconf-team and see meeting times there 14:39:15 <nattie> we already had a pingall 14:40:23 <czchen> Looks like there are no one from either bit, go to next topic? 14:40:24 <nattie> if we can't do this topic now, we can revisit it later 14:40:35 <nattie> that's completely allowed 14:40:48 <czchen> #topic Sponsorship 14:41:07 <larjona> maybe a message to the list with specific subject about DebConf19 bids 14:41:08 * pollo has started prodding some sponsors 14:41:22 <pollo> as I said, I'll do some, but not all of them 14:41:28 <czchen> Too busy this week, will try to send some sponsorship emails next week. 14:41:40 <medicalwei[m]> I haven't updated it for a while, but trying to forward the sponsorship message through other channels, like Facebook (??) 14:42:00 <nattie> why facebook? 14:42:17 <nattie> also, have long-standing sponsors been contacted? 14:42:43 <DLange> not yet 14:42:45 <czchen> Not from me this week. Busy in paid job. 14:42:51 <medicalwei[m]> pollo contacted some including Canonical 14:42:58 <szlin> For Moxa (my company), we will join CIP in 2018 and thus Moxa will sponsor debconf behind CIP. 14:43:09 <medicalwei[m]> (actually we have members from Canonical) 14:43:22 * Delib is ready to join sponsors team to help edit emails. 14:43:27 <pollo> szlin: good, I just emailed CIP 14:43:49 <medicalwei[m]> Wow 14:44:55 <szlin> pollo: The Linux foundation JP VP who is in charge of CIP visited our company last week. 14:45:11 <czchen> If I have some time for sponsorship mail, I can just go through dc18/sponsors-list/* and send template mail right? 14:45:36 <pollo> czchen: yup. It's always good to have a look at the dc17 entry before though 14:45:37 <DLange> yes you can 14:45:42 <medicalwei[m]> I believe the person also went to DC17? 14:45:46 <DLange> just don't if there is a personal contact or so 14:46:10 <czchen> personal contact means "Debian-Contact" field? 14:46:53 <medicalwei[m]> I don't think so... Debian-Contact means the contact on Debian side i think 14:47:17 <nattie> yeah, like the person in charge of dealing with that particualr sponsor, i would guess 14:48:00 <Delib> Someone with some history is usually a good idea, when available. 14:48:10 <DLange> best is to see the communication log in the dc17/ folder and judge by that 14:48:25 <DLange> e.g. stay off Microsoft for example :) 14:48:26 <czchen> Thanks for the tip 14:49:50 <czchen> anything else in this topic? 14:50:00 <medicalwei[m]> .....!? 14:50:03 <szlin> I will contact skymizer next week 14:50:16 <medicalwei[m]> Microsoft was a sponsor in DC17 and according to the activity in Taiwan I believe they will sponsor us this time... 14:50:43 <cate> doesn't speak about potential sponsors in pubic places 14:50:50 <cate> don't 14:51:03 <medicalwei[m]> ok 14:51:29 <cate> Some sponsors don't like it [especially if they cannot sponsor us] 14:52:03 <czchen> ok 14:52:07 <Delib> Should this be discussed in a different channel? 14:52:16 <nattie> also, this isn't the time to talk about team internals 14:52:23 <cate> sponsor has own channel and own mailing list 14:53:05 <czchen> So for sponsor, we shall discuss in #debconf-sponsors ? 14:53:13 <Delib> Suggest topic questions to guide this conversation? 14:53:53 <cate> Specific question yes, here we can discuss general problems and status 14:55:18 <Delib> I am requesting a good topic question? What should we discuss now here? 14:55:29 <medicalwei[m]> i am also going to IT month for discovering potential sponsors via public exhibition. 14:55:39 <nattie> what's on the agenda? 14:55:56 <Delib> "potentioan sponsors update" 14:56:05 <medicalwei[m]> Printed materials have been prepared. 14:56:11 <nattie> and after that? 14:56:30 <medicalwei[m]> Also I am looking for someone to proofreading Chinese version of the brochure. 14:56:39 <medicalwei[m]> (after, or during the translation) 14:56:40 <czchen> sticker and flyer are printed. 14:56:52 <czchen> brochure & flyer translation 14:56:57 <Ganneff> medicalwei[m]: proofread for content or chinese? 14:57:10 <medicalwei[m]> Chinese content. 14:57:35 <nattie> Ganneff: are you volunteering your holdes Ehegespons? 14:57:39 <Ganneff> language i can volunteer someone, actual data i cant 14:57:39 <medicalwei[m]> Also, we might need to change content for german target to taiwanes 14:57:44 <Ganneff> nattie: si 14:57:56 <czchen> medicalwei[m]: Just ping me when they are ready, I can help to proofread. 14:58:06 <nattie> Ganneff: good idea 14:58:15 <medicalwei[m]> czchen: xiexie :) 14:58:25 <Ganneff> medicalwei[m]: can ping here too, if you want. 14:58:48 <medicalwei[m]> I will post it in mailing list 14:59:08 <czchen> anything else? 14:59:39 <Delib> Seems like sponsorship team needs more help? 15:00:39 <medicalwei[m]> Delib: I think we can discuss about the details in another list, or after the meeting... because we are really making small progress ;_; 15:00:59 <czchen> #topic Website update 15:01:27 <medicalwei[m]> ouch. 15:01:43 * medicalwei[m] forgot everything he # actioned on 15:02:02 <nattie> medicalwei[m]: we can discuss after the meeting and get going on that 15:02:03 <olasd> the host for debconf18.debconf.org is ready (has been for a while) but noone from local team has touched it or asked us to do anything about it so far 15:02:06 <czchen> Need any help on we site? 15:02:38 <czchen> s/we site/website/ 15:02:49 <Delib> I can and should, but need direction. 15:03:04 <medicalwei[m]> Mainly about the timeline 15:03:09 <pollo> czchen: first step is to take what we did for dc17.dc.o and have a look at the code 15:03:19 <olasd> no. that step has been done 15:03:22 <pollo> you can build the website locally easily enough 15:03:28 <medicalwei[m]> Also need chinese translation of the sponsorship page pull-requested by larjona 15:03:43 <olasd> I mean, what's needed now is someone to make a debconf18 theme for wafer 15:03:59 <olasd> the content from the landing site can be moved over easily enough 15:04:03 <medicalwei[m]> https://github.com/medicalwei/debconf18-landing/pull/2 15:04:18 <medicalwei[m]> Ah 15:05:02 <medicalwei[m]> I would like to help on that, though I am busy at the paid job and is working on the translation 15:05:02 <czchen> Where is wafer source code? Really not a website guy, but can find some friends to help. 15:05:12 <medicalwei[m]> Do you have a deadline for the theme thing? 15:05:18 <olasd> medicalwei[m]: yesterday 15:05:27 <medicalwei[m]> ................................................... 15:05:28 <olasd> more seriously: as soon as possible 15:05:34 <olasd> https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/debconf-data/dc18.dc.o.git 15:05:55 <tumbleweed> thanks olasd, I'm deep in conversation right now, IRL 15:05:56 <cate> czchen: base wafer is in github, we have our extention in the debconf-data git 15:05:57 <czchen> olasd: thanks 15:06:00 <olasd> we (website folks) don't have any deadlines, you're the ones with deadlines 15:06:09 <Delib> Not asking for myself, but again it seems a lot is expected of just a couple people. 15:06:28 <Delib> That's why I was asking if more help is needed. 15:07:05 <cate> Delib: I think they manage it. The most difficult part is to provide content for them 15:07:08 <pollo> Delib: you will eventually need to take a look at what questions should be asked for registration 15:07:23 <medicalwei[m]> I probably want to delegate the translation job to others for the website. 15:07:39 <pollo> most of them will be the same, but you might need to have some specific ones regarding food + accomm 15:07:49 <Delib> pollo, thanks for task lead. 15:07:54 <nattie> i'll be looking at that soon 15:08:04 <Delib> k. 15:08:23 <nattie> we can figure out specifics between us 15:08:52 <Delib> medicalwei[m], do you have people in mind for translation help? 15:09:21 <czchen> http://l10n.tw/ ? 15:09:33 <medicalwei[m]> Delib: i am in a team doing l10n and that's it czchen 15:10:18 <nattie> if they're good, then we can go with them 15:10:48 <olasd> I'm not entirely sure what wafer supports i18n-wise 15:10:56 <czchen> I think we can trust them. 15:10:57 <olasd> (most likely answer is "nothing") 15:11:07 <olasd> but we can figure it out along the way 15:11:16 <nattie> can we #action someone to contact the l10n.tw people? 15:11:22 <nattie> for website content 15:11:45 <tumbleweed> it has tried to support i18n, but there hasn't been any conference that needed it yet 15:11:54 <nattie> czchen: since it wa your suggestion, could you? 15:11:55 <tumbleweed> so it's going to have all sorts of bugs and possible big problems 15:12:01 <olasd> tumbleweed: cool 15:12:02 <czchen> No problem. 15:12:06 <medicalwei[m]> I mean... I am at work doing translations to the brochure 15:12:09 <Ganneff> tumbleweed: nothing better than a debconf to spot em all? :) 15:12:17 <medicalwei[m]> and I probably can't take the website theme thing 15:12:18 <nattie> czchen: can you do a #action for it please? 15:12:20 <czchen> #action czchen will contact l10n.tw people to do translation. 15:12:23 <tumbleweed> I'm somewhat sceptical of translating all the website 15:12:33 <tumbleweed> just translating the content pages is probably all we want 15:12:43 <tumbleweed> (nobody is going to want to translate all of the talk proposals, etc) 15:12:44 <medicalwei[m]> unless i ask others translating the brochure 15:12:46 <olasd> I agree as well 15:12:51 <cate> I think registration should remain in English, but some page for sponsors and debian day... 15:13:06 <tumbleweed> cate: yeah, something like that 15:13:13 <tumbleweed> and how to get to the venue 15:13:26 <medicalwei[m]> Maybe just make another page in Chinese? 15:13:29 <medicalwei[m]> Lazy i18n but better than nothing 15:14:09 <Ganneff> you dont need so much in chinese. the sponsors, debianday and info for local wannabe attendees/volunteers basically. 15:14:20 <nattie> *nods* 15:14:49 <Delib> Directions to venue would be good. 15:15:19 <nattie> we don't really need to discuss minutiae just now, just a general overview of what needs doing 15:15:31 <olasd> highest priority is making the website presentable 15:15:35 <nattie> yes 15:15:45 <olasd> because now we can't really regress from what's on dc18.dc.o today 15:16:29 <medicalwei[m]> How difficult is it to theme from a template? 15:16:39 <czchen> So we shall update dc18.dc.o and make it online first? 15:16:41 <medicalwei[m]> ...(i think i should just see the code) 15:17:10 <medicalwei[m]> Yes, then consider how we can i18n it 15:17:30 <medicalwei[m]> Sorry to make the website too pretty 15:17:30 <czchen> okay, I will see what can I do in this part 15:18:00 <czchen> #action czchen will update dc18.dc.o to make it online. 15:18:06 <czchen> anything else? 15:18:29 <czchen> #topic DC17 Status Update 15:18:32 <tumbleweed> talk to olasd and me about the details on that 15:18:40 <pollo> nothing to report on the dc17 side 15:18:43 <olasd> no, not the dc17 details 15:18:55 <tumbleweed> :P 15:18:59 <olasd> pollo: did you manage to get the money out of maisonneuve/do you have a plan? 15:19:04 <nattie> report will happen... soon 15:19:05 <medicalwei[m]> I would be interested in the wafer theming too 15:19:09 <pollo> olasd: they sent a check afaik 15:19:10 <medicalwei[m]> If I have to fix things. 15:19:21 <olasd> pollo: cool 15:20:01 <pollo> I'll poke people and try to hve a get together for Christmas and start working on the dc17 final report 15:20:47 <czchen> anything else? 15:20:57 <pollo> nope 15:21:00 <olasd> I need to finalize bursary reimbursements now that the spi pipe is flowing again; I'll have a final poke tonight 15:21:38 <czchen> #topic DSA Migration 15:22:08 <czchen> Not sure what need to be discussed in this topic? 15:22:38 <andrewsh> I can help setting up Kanboard on the new host 15:22:40 <medicalwei[m]> Is that already done? 15:22:41 <olasd> DSA have started acting on the kanboard vm ticket 15:22:45 <nattie> ooh hey andrewsh 15:22:48 <andrewsh> and the chat notifications 15:22:54 <olasd> and then they noticed that pollo wasn't a DD yet 15:22:57 <olasd> so we tried to fix that 15:23:16 <nattie> do you want to revisit the bids thing later under AOB? 15:23:45 <medicalwei[m]> (AOB?) 15:23:52 <andrewsh> (any other business) 15:23:55 <Delib> DSA is last item on agenda, so time for that discussion with andrewsh here. 15:24:28 <czchen> So next topic will be "Submissions of DC19 candidatures" ? 15:25:02 <olasd> we can do that, yes 15:25:19 <czchen> okay 15:25:22 <nattie> let's. anyone from curitiba around? 15:25:41 <czchen> #topic Submissions of DC19 candidatures 15:26:21 <nattie> andrewsh: the floor is yours. what's new? 15:26:33 <andrewsh> the news. 15:26:40 <andrewsh> the venue is very expensive, it seems 15:26:46 <olasd> the people from curitiba I can identify have been idle for a week or more 15:26:55 <andrewsh> and I'm not sure they'll be willing to give further discounts 15:27:09 <andrewsh> as they already say the price they've given includes a 50% discount 15:27:18 <olasd> I disagree with the "very expensive" assessment; expensive maybe, but definitely in our price range 15:27:19 <nattie> let's just remind everyone of the bid process timeline? 15:27:37 <andrewsh> 47k € without food or accommodation 15:28:22 <czchen> December 2017: formal bid submission 15:28:23 <andrewsh> I've got alternative venues, but they aren't very accessible/usable and/or expensive as well or prices not yet known 15:28:29 <czchen> Early 2018: location decision 15:28:33 <czchen> from wiki 15:29:18 <andrewsh> 47k € above include "standard" electricity, AC and internet+wifi, basic security and cleaning 15:29:23 <DLange> best is to have two offers and go to the better venue with the price of the other one 15:29:46 <andrewsh> everything above "standard" is an extra we need to pay for and (importantly) notify them beforehand 15:30:03 <andrewsh> so that they can get potential discounts from their providers 15:30:19 <andrewsh> (normally extras on top of the utility packages are superexpensive) 15:30:22 <nattie> it's probably a good idea to establish how much exactly they mean by "standard" 15:30:28 <DLange> +1 15:30:34 <andrewsh> "what a normal education process uses" 15:30:46 <andrewsh> they can give more details in terms of kW×h 15:30:53 <nattie> that would be useful 15:31:04 <andrewsh> which I hope we won't exceed 15:31:35 <andrewsh> as arguably normal education process involves more than 400 people with their laptops 15:32:24 <nattie> any other news? 15:32:40 <andrewsh> https://screenshots.firefox.com/rTmvyn9EeUTcpTJf/mail.google.com 15:32:53 <andrewsh> (more detailed quote from them) 15:33:11 <andrewsh> the left column in the room name/number 15:33:12 <nattie> we should agree the submission deadling 15:33:18 <nattie> deadline 15:33:27 * andrewsh notes a new word, deadling 15:33:59 <nattie> heh 15:34:22 <czchen> Have no idea about the submission deadline. Any date in December is okay? 15:34:28 <andrewsh> any other news… the cafeteria does have a tiny kitchen in which they don't cook but only heat up pre-cooked meals 15:34:55 <Delib> :( 15:34:58 <andrewsh> if we use their services, it's ok to use, otherwise there won't be any extra space apart from the seating area to use for catering 15:35:35 <andrewsh> the cafeteria's caterer cooks in the next building belonging to a different university, where they also have a branch 15:36:16 <nattie> right 15:36:30 <andrewsh> the venue itself would be accessible to us from 8am to ~some time after midnight 15:36:45 <nattie> we should call a bid status meeting, and also establish the deadline 15:36:52 <andrewsh> indeed 15:37:09 <nattie> the 31st is a sunday; would that be acceptable to people as a deadline? 15:37:26 <andrewsh> ack from myself 15:37:39 <nattie> czchen: you're chair. what's your view? 15:38:02 <czchen> Do we need to hold a meeting in deadline date? 15:38:15 <nattie> no, it just needs to be submitted 15:38:26 <czchen> okay, I think 31st is okay 15:38:26 <nattie> but it's probaly a good idea to check people's progress before the deadline 15:38:51 <olasd> is there a DC19 bid committee assembled yet? 15:39:33 <DLange> nope 15:39:42 <nattie> that should really be done post-haste 15:39:42 <czchen> Maybe we can check the progress in next meeting? I think it will be Dec 14, or Dec 21. 15:39:48 <nattie> not the 21st please 15:39:56 <DLange> the DCC will make the decision (and I think as last year invite others to participate, too) 15:40:06 <nattie> 14th would be fine by me 15:40:33 <olasd> we're not talking about making decisions yet, we're talking about checking bid status and establishing a timeline for the decision 15:40:46 <czchen> So we will have another meeting in Dec 14, and we also will check the progress of DC19, is that rignt? 15:40:48 <nattie> i have to go, battery running out 15:41:01 <andrewsh> bye nattie 15:41:04 <czchen> bye 15:41:05 <nattie> ciao! 15:41:08 <znoteer> bye nattie 15:41:09 <andrewsh> čau 15:41:15 <szlin> bye 15:41:28 <medicalwei[m]> // 15:42:17 <pollo> czchen: a meeting in 2 weeks sounds good 15:42:41 <czchen> So next meeting in Dec 14, and will check the progress of DC19, any objection? 15:42:57 <andrewsh> ack 15:42:58 <znoteer> not from me 15:42:58 <olasd> we need to make sure that there is a bid committee and that members of it can be present thene 15:43:01 <olasd> then* 15:43:38 <tumbleweed> on DC19 we tried to organise a debconf committee meeting last week, but it didn't quite happen 15:43:53 <tumbleweed> we need to have one to start the DC19 discussion process 15:44:15 <andrewsh> s/DC19/…/ 15:44:24 <znoteer> how are the committees created if I may ask a noob question 15:44:31 <olasd> znoteer: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/01/msg00003.html 15:44:32 <andrewsh> oh, I'm misparsing that 15:44:50 <_rene_> andrewsh: ooc, what you outlined above, for what bid is that? 15:45:01 <andrewsh> _rene_: Bratislava 15:45:05 <znoteer> olasd: thanks 15:45:17 <_rene_> k, guessed so, but wanted to go sure :) 15:45:30 <olasd> znoteer: that's The DebConf Committee, usually the bid selection committee is wider than that 15:45:40 <olasd> but formally now it's up to them to decide 15:46:11 <znoteer> ack 15:46:32 <czchen> So when do we need bit selection committee? In Dec14 ? 15:47:35 <olasd> if we want status updates from the bids then, yes, it'd be good to have a formed committee, and some members of it available to ask and answer questions with the bid teams 15:49:30 <DLange> I think we should have the DCC call for the meeting(s) and invite people that want to participate in the discussion to join 15:49:43 <tumbleweed> yes 15:50:18 <DLange> you can task me (or tumbleweed) and we'll take care of inviting for the meeting(s) 15:50:20 <olasd> that's what I was trying to convey 15:50:37 <DLange> that was difficult to understand then :D 15:51:41 <czchen> Current plan is to have a meeting in Dec 14, and also check DC19 progress. So we need bid committee before that date. Is that okay for DCC? 15:53:04 <DLange> yes, but I don't think we need the bid committee then 15:53:24 <czchen> okay 15:54:19 <czchen> #agreed next meeting in Dec 14 2017 14:30 UTC, and will check the progress of DC19. 15:54:28 <czchen> Anything else? 15:55:32 <czchen> #endmeeting