14:33:10 #startmeeting 14:33:10 Meeting started Thu Jan 25 14:33:10 2018 UTC. The chair is nattie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:33:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:33:16 * medicalwei[m] will observe the meeting :) 14:33:25 right, I think we've established everyone's roles 14:33:28 pff 14:33:57 :) 14:34:00 #topic localteam 14:34:13 andrewsh_SK: so, who's on your team? 14:34:21 (we more or less know the answer, but hey) 14:35:20 myself: andrewsh; Marek Mansell (PyCon SK organiser); Martin Sechny (OSSVikend organiser) 14:35:41 (two others signed up, but haven't done much work yet) 14:35:49 (I meant Marek and Martin) 14:35:51 #info Bratislava team consists of three people: Andrew Shadura; Marek Mansell (PyCon SK organiser); Martin Sechny (OSSVikend organiser) 14:36:10 #info most of the work has been done by Andrew 14:36:25 Brazilians: tell me about your team please! 14:36:39 lenharo, terceiro, phls, Cleber, Giovani, Samuel and Valessio 14:37:07 #info Curitiba team has 7 members: lenharo, terceiro, phls, Cleber, Giovani, Samuel and Valessio 14:37:35 how are you dividing the tasks so far? do people have specific roles already? 14:37:41 not yet 14:37:50 OK 14:38:16 Let me just think - I believe 3 of you have previously been to DebConf? 14:38:20 who's local? 14:38:25 (=in Curitiba) 14:38:38 lenharo, terceiro, phls, Cleber, Samuel 14:38:42 thanks 14:38:43 just Giovani and Valessio don't live here 14:39:04 Valessio has probably the most DC experience, though I think :) 14:39:07 anyway 14:39:23 terceiro has a lot DC experiente 14:39:31 both teams: are you happy to already get involved in DC18 stuff? 14:39:53 i.e., would you join one or more of the existing orga/volunteer teams? 14:40:00 * medicalwei[m] wave hands o/ 14:40:13 medicalwei[m]: are you suddenly from Brazil? 14:40:34 honorary Brazilian :) 14:41:00 let's get the question answered though 14:41:06 TBH I would need need to shift some Debian duties around, but I guess I will need to do that for DC19 anyway 14:41:19 nattie: I certainly would, but I'm unlikely to attend DebConf this year, so I can only do whatever remote work is needed to be done 14:41:28 andrewsh_SK: noted 14:41:45 #info Andrew is unlikely to attend DC18, but willing to do some remote work 14:42:15 nattie: i'll not attend Debconf this year. But i can help remote. 14:42:37 #info Lenharo also will not attend DC18 but will help remotely 14:42:54 are there any people on the Curitiba team who will attend DC18 and get involved? 14:42:59 I will attend, most likely, and can help 14:43:09 terceiro_BR: thank you :) 14:43:19 phls should attend DC18 14:43:34 #info Terceiro and phls should be attending DC18 and are willing to get involved 14:44:04 last localteam question for both bids: are any of you linked to any of the service providers, such as venue, caterers, etc? 14:44:31 define linked? 14:44:52 err, linked (professionally/financially/personaly) 14:44:57 answering myself 14:45:39 Samuel is a student at UTFPR. other than that, noone 14:45:49 no links 14:45:50 andrewsh_SK: anything from you on this? 14:46:51 no, I'm not 14:47:08 Marek is a student of FIIT STU 14:47:21 which is the primary venue candidate 14:47:32 #info One Curitiba localteam member is a student at UTFPR. One Bratislava team member is a student at FIIT STU. Other than that, neither team has personal links to the venue or service providers. 14:47:40 thank you 14:47:50 #topic Choice of location 14:48:07 ok, time for a quick rundown of your chosen cities 14:48:14 andrewsh_SK: Bratislava first, please 14:48:51 what sort of a rundown, sorry? 14:49:02 oh, mostly just a quick introduction for the protocol 14:49:09 oh, right 14:49:12 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/LocationCheckList 14:50:10 Curitibans, best to prepare your response also while we're waiting :) 14:50:39 yeah, doing that 14:50:52 Bratislava, capital of Slovakia, which is an EU member. Population about 500000 people. A bunch of technical universities, a few smaller tech and OSS conferences happening here each year. 14:51:45 thank you - i'll stick that in an info point 14:51:46 The city is bordering Austria and Hungary, with two airports nearby ⇒ easily reachable from Europe and most of the world really. 14:51:50 in a moment 14:52:24 (VIE for Austrian, BTS for Ryanair) 14:52:51 ah yes, you've addressed several points in one answer :) 14:52:57 haha 14:53:05 's fine 14:53:14 see, mind reading, future telling, etc 14:53:28 could you also get us the lotto numbers? 14:53:39 42 :) 14:54:11 nattie: I can only predict elections in a certain non-EU country :) 14:54:19 #info Bratislava is an EU member capital with a strong technical background and several conferences happening yearly 14:54:43 #info Bratislava is easily reachable by air via Vienna and Bratislava airports 14:55:34 andrewsh_SK: anything on the shopping situation? 14:55:42 tech shops, supermarkets, etc. 14:56:37 supermarkets: Tesco, Billa, Lidl, Kaufland… a lot of them 14:57:16 many e-shops for all sorts of things including tech and consumer electronics, the biggest is probably Alza (from CZ, in fact) 14:58:03 Amazon.de delivers many items to Slovakia as well, but there isn't a local shipping facility 14:58:45 #info Bratislava is equipped with many supermarkets. shopping for tech seems to be mostly online 14:59:38 Same two questions for Curitiba now: quick introduction, plus shopping situation 14:59:44 (there are small shops too, but I mostly shop at Alza as they have a big showroom/delivery pickup building) 14:59:48 (we'll address the next questions in a moment) 15:00:04 I'll paste 15:00:16 thank you 15:00:21 Curitiba is a relatively small city for a state capital, but has all the facilities or a large city. 15:00:26 could you stick it in an #info point please? 15:00:34 or i can summarise 15:00:36 #info Curitiba is a relatively small city for a state capital, but has all the facilities or a large city. 15:00:51 #info Curitiba has several immigrant colonies so their culture and food is common place. 15:01:01 #info Most people would fly into Brazil via the major hubs (São Paulo, Rio, Brasília), and Curitiba is a < 1.5 hour flight from those. 15:01:19 #info There is large electronics district, with several shops, in walking distance from the venue 15:01:42 #info there is a shopping mall across the street from the venue in Curitiba 15:02:04 #info there are a few supermarkets in walking distance from the venue in Curitiba 15:02:04 thank you 15:02:12 that's iy 15:02:14 it 15:02:22 nattie: before you change topic, I have a question 15:02:29 phls_BR: yes? 15:02:51 Is Brastilava running? 15:02:57 dry running 15:02:59 phls_BR: sort of 15:03:00 or damp running 15:03:05 or sort of, yes 15:03:28 > so that Bratislava can have their bid scrutinised 15:03:31 as someone said 15:03:37 I'm going to pose the next question now: how friendly is your venue to foreigners? 15:03:43 ok 15:03:45 first, actually, visas 15:03:58 andrewsh_SK: how's the visa situation? 15:04:13 is .sk in Schengen? 15:04:23 yes, Slovakia is a member of the EU, EEA and Schengen, so usual EU+Schengen rules apply 15:04:43 do you know of any countries which may have particular difficulty in getting a visa? 15:04:55 particularly among the countries from which we usually have attendees 15:05:50 nothing particular I know of; people from my home country (BY) were scrutinised a bit more than by other EU country embassies (CZ, PL, LT) 15:06:03 but that could have been that particular embassy 15:06:11 so: not that I know of 15:06:19 #info Bratislava is located within the Schengen area, so those rules apply 15:06:29 Curitiba folks, how about you? 15:06:33 European/Schengen countries don't need visas. North Americans (Mexico, US, Canada) do need visas. Brazil operates on reciprocity, so if Brazilians need a visa to go there, they need a visa to come here. 15:06:50 i'll just stick that in an #info 15:07:19 #info For Brazil, European/Schengen countries don't need visas. North Americans (Mexico, US, Canada) do need visas. Brazil operates on reciprocity, so if Brazilians need a visa to go there, they need a visa to come here. 15:07:30 #info most Central/South Americans don't need visas. most Asians don't need visas 15:07:32 how about import of goods? 15:07:42 (that's for both bids) 15:07:50 particularly tech and cheese 15:08:18 .oO(cheese is important) 15:08:32 #info travelers are generally permitted to bring industrialized food in its original packaging into Brazil, including cheese with long maturation, up to 5 kg(~10 pounds), and wine. 15:09:11 oh, actually, can i also add alcohol to the question? 15:09:40 for tech, stuff of personal use is fine 15:10:00 brand new stuff has a limit of USD500 tax free 15:10:11 terceiro_BR: how about things like videoteam equipment? 15:10:56 yeah that is what I think you meant. I would need to check it, but I don't think it will be a problem 15:10:59 Brazil is party to the ATA Carnet agreement 15:11:14 do we usually ship the videoteam gear with people, or via cargo services? 15:11:17 should be no problem to do temporary imports there 15:11:37 #info Brazil is party to the ATA Carnet agreement; should be no problem to do temporary imports there 15:11:44 terceiro_BR: we have often gone with people 15:11:46 terceiro_BR: one of these, yes :-) 15:11:56 sotty, I have no experience in that area 15:11:56 *that* person in particular *points at olasd* 15:12:05 terceiro_BR: no worries :) 15:12:16 i did kind of throw that question at you out of the blue 15:12:34 both bids: languages - how widely is English spoken? 15:12:41 both at the universities and in town 15:13:57 in Bratislava, English is not unheard of, there's a lot of foreigners living here, so in most cafés, shops, restaurants or other places participants might need to visit there won't be any issues 15:14:14 for touristy places I would say it will be fine. Regular people on street not so much 15:14:15 it's different in government offices, but that's out of scope 15:14:31 #info English is fairly wifely spoken in Bratislava in touristy places, but not so much among the general populace 15:14:40 wifely? widely! 15:14:41 the university will have lots of english speakers, students and teachers 15:14:49 #info English is fairly widely spoken in Bratislava in touristy places, but not so much among the general populace 15:15:33 at universities, they have foreign tourists (Erasmus etc), so they should be able to handle foreigners to some extent 15:15:43 I had world cup here in 2014, so there are many thing in english yet 15:15:47 We had... 15:16:16 #info English is widely spoken at the university, and there are English-language things left from the 2014 World Cup 15:16:39 that's missing which bid the #info talks about 15:16:47 :) 15:16:47 yndeed 15:17:05 #info English is widely spoken at the university in Curitiba, and there are English-language things left from the 2014 World Cup 15:17:13 *there* 15:17:20 street sign in english :-) 15:17:27 just one? :) 15:17:40 #info Curitiba has English-language street signs 15:17:41 :-) 15:17:44 behave! 15:17:45 "2014 World Cup that way →" 15:17:56 i'll just ask the smoking question for formality's sake 15:18:42 so, what's the smoking policy? 15:19:08 smoking is not allowed indoors in public places in Curitiba 15:19:09 Smoking is not allowed inside venus and closed places... at street it's allowed 15:19:11 there are smokers, but smoking isn't as popular as it is in the south of Europe; in most restaurants and cafés smoking is either forbidden or allowed only in special places 15:19:30 there are few smoking cafés though, but very few 15:19:37 #info In Curitiba, smoken is forbidden indoors, allowed outdoors 15:19:55 outdoors it's usually allowed here 15:19:56 #info In Curitiba, smoking is forbidden indoors, allowed outdoors 15:20:32 its worth noticing that on the venue (UTFPR) it is not allowed even indoors, but smokers just go to the sidewalks on the entrance to smoke 15:20:35 #info In Bratislava, smoking is either forbidden or only allowed in specific places in restaurants/cafes, allowed outdoors 15:21:11 OK, that covers the cities 15:21:22 now, let's get down to brass tacks - the costs 15:21:30 #topic Conference Facilities 15:21:49 both bids: please outline your projected costs 15:22:27 if you could directly stick them into #info points, that would be great 15:23:21 #info Curitiba: venue facilities are free as in beer 15:23:28 #info Bratislava: FIIT STU quoted 47 750,18 EUR as the preliminary price for the venue for both DebCamp and DebConf 15:23:32 #info Curitiba: venue conference facilities are free as in beer 15:25:11 #info Bratislava: three daily meals account for €10 to €15 depending on the caterer and their meal offer 15:25:19 #info (per person) 15:25:29 #info (per day) 15:26:33 terceiro_BR: how about accommodation and food? 15:26:40 #info Curitiba: USD 5.00 per person per meal 15:26:42 andrewsh_SK: how about accommodation? 15:27:07 #info Curitiba: accomodation is estimated ar ~25USD per night, with breakfast included 15:27:32 *nods* 15:27:44 which takes off a little bit of the food cost 15:27:54 yep 15:28:06 #info Bratislava: accommodation at student residences is €3 to €7 a day per person (typical prices) depending on the room type and the exact facility; accommodation at a nearby hotel starts at €29 15:28:41 andrewsh_SK: the student residences, how many people per room is that? 15:29:32 #info Bratislava: student residences have single, twin and triple rooms; one building is specifically designed for student couples 15:29:45 #info Curitiba: there is a small cost for the some venue workers during weekends, estimated up to USD 2000 15:29:45 There is a restaurant inside the venue. So, our ideia is use it to make lunch and dinner. 15:30:15 terceiro_BR: by venue workers do you mean security and the like? 15:30:27 #info Bratislava: one of the residences offers 2×3 + 2×2-bed blocks, another is blocks of 3×2-bed apartments 15:30:33 nattie: no, mostly the people responsible for the auditoriums etc 15:30:47 terceiro_BR: ah OK 15:31:13 all of the student residences have cafeterias which may be used by the residents 15:32:32 andrewsh_SK: for lunch/dinner you mean? or for breakfast? 15:34:29 OK, how about accessibility? 15:34:44 nattie: most likely for breakfast 15:34:53 can I ask a question about food? 15:34:57 The restaurant inside the venue is used by the community. So, we will use it to DC. 15:34:59 znoteer_: sure 15:35:30 Conference venue, Hotels and street are accessible. 15:35:46 how easily is it to eat special diets, such as vegetarian, vegan, gluten-free, etc, on and off venu in the two locals? 15:36:12 easy 15:36:22 Here in Brazil is law have the spaces accessible for all. 15:36:47 #info Curitiba: special diets are easily catered for 15:36:57 accessible like: there's ramps for people who use chairs and (i'm not sure how you call it) floor with tactile signs 15:37:08 also, there's specials bathrooms at the venue 15:37:19 znoteer_: both caterers I'm considering offer vegetarian or vegan or other special food 15:37:32 znoteer_: even in their normal daily menus 15:37:53 andrewsh_SK: what about off-venu? 15:38:28 #info Bratislava: Both caterers being considered offer vegetarian/vegan food and can cater for other special diets 15:38:31 there are also plenty vegan or vegetarian food places 15:39:03 #info Bratislava: plenty of vegetarian/vegan places are available off-venue 15:39:26 places with traditional food usually are less prepared for veg(etari)ans 15:39:40 but that's not universally true 15:40:11 *nods* 15:40:22 thanks 15:40:23 (e.g. ‘What vegetarian food have you got?’ — ‘Let me think… Fried cheese!’) 15:40:32 dear oh dear 15:40:48 * nattie has an associated vegan, so this question is important 15:41:04 (which is delicious, but, well, that's not quite what we had on our minds) 15:41:06 next question: AV equipment 15:41:27 what's already available at the venues, what would we need to get/bring? 15:41:41 (specifically, microphones) 15:42:15 auditorium has full audio and video equipment 15:42:45 lenharo_BR: classrooms that wanted video would have to be set up separately, i guess? 15:42:46 both auditoriums 15:42:47 #info Bratislava: audio equipment is known to be professional in two rooms ("aulas") 15:43:06 nattie: yes 15:43:29 #info Bratislava: there is a local student video team, which has some ~professional video equipment and might get involved 15:43:50 #info Both candidates have fully equipped auditoria; other rooms would have to be equipped separately 15:44:02 #info Bratislava: other rooms have basic audio equipment (microphone + amplifier + speaker) 15:44:21 By the way, the venue is few blocks from many stores that sell cables, microphones, 15:44:22 andrewsh_SK: do you happen to know what kind of microphone? 15:44:28 phls_BR: good to know! 15:45:02 the are many hardware stores near 15:45:08 there are... 15:45:10 nattie: I don't, but judging by what's on the table, not necessarily professional: https://wiki.debconf.org/upload/4/41/FIIT_STU_turing_1.jpg 15:45:21 Both bids, please tell us about the hacklabs, both for daytime and nighttime use 15:46:06 officially we have to close the venue during the night time 15:46:15 the closing and opening times are negotiable 15:46:47 seminar rooms can be used for hacklabs, there's quite a few of them 15:47:07 since there's no valuable equipment in them, we're likely to be allowed to keep them open at all times 15:47:12 #info Curitiba: there are several teaching labs that can be used as hacklabs. the cafeteria has a lot of tables, and there is an outdoor space with stone tables 15:47:21 #info Bratislava: Venue has to officially close at night, but hours are negotiable. Seminar rooms can be used for hacklabs 15:47:34 #info Curitiba: closing times are negotiable 15:47:42 most probably cafeteria's tables can also be used 15:47:57 there's also an outside balcony 15:48:05 which we may use 15:48:11 #info Curitiba: but alcohol is not allowed on campus; so we plan to provide a hacklab/happy hours space in the hotel 15:48:19 people do tend to manage to find places to hang out/sit anyway 15:48:23 (as seen here: https://wiki.debconf.org/upload/thumb/6/6e/FIIT_STU_hallway_downstairs_seating.jpg/800px-FIIT_STU_hallway_downstairs_seating.jpg) 15:48:53 there's a hackerspace in the city centre which may accommodate some people after the closing hours 15:49:18 terceiro_BR: how much of the "hacklab/happy hours space in hotel" is agreed with the hotel already? 15:49:20 (it's about to move into new premises, so no estimations on how many people yet) 15:50:01 lucas_CTE: none. but when you rent enough rooms, they give you the right to use the hotel conference space 15:50:15 there's a restaurant which may accommodate up to 400 people, so if we do reservations it can also be used as an ad-hoc meeting place 15:50:27 s/meeting/beersigning + hacking/g 15:50:39 terceiro_BR: how many is "enough"? 15:50:43 approximately 15:51:26 I don't have a closed number, but our plan is to fill as much of the hotel as they will let us. officially they say they won't give us more than 70% of the rooms 15:51:30 approximately 20 rooms. 15:51:52 Inside venue, besides the classrooms, there is a open space with tables and chairs in front off the restaurante. 15:51:57 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Bids/Curitiba/UtfprRestaurante 15:52:02 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Bids/Curitiba/UtfprGarden 15:53:07 https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Bids/Curitiba/UtfprBooths 15:55:00 during all day we can use these spaces to hacklab, but as terceiro_BR said before, we can not drink alcohol 15:55:05 How about security? 15:55:30 is there venue-provided security, do we have to hire it separately? 15:55:34 inside campus has private security. 15:55:53 #info Curitiba: there is private security on-campus 15:55:59 and balcony to enter 15:56:05 balcony? 15:56:13 heheh 15:56:29 he means there is a security booth with someone staring at everyone who enters 15:56:37 yes :-) 15:56:39 oh, like a porter's lodge? 15:56:50 security desk type thing 15:56:57 yeah 15:57:00 yes. 15:57:02 at every entrance 15:57:16 that's good 15:57:39 how about for things like the group photo? we need to have the rooms either watched or locked while people are out 15:57:49 phls_BR: balcony = varanda :-) 15:57:53 Nacional hotel, has security too. 15:58:06 terceiro_BR: ah ok :-) 15:58:25 ... timekeeper note ... 90mins now ... 15:58:36 wow 15:58:42 yeah, we need to get on with it 15:58:46 nattie: all rooms at UTFPR can be locked 15:58:51 (I scared you, it 15:58:55 s only an hour) 15:58:56 :) 15:59:14 no, it's actually 90 minutes, and we *do* need to get on with it 15:59:21 damn :) 15:59:29 andrewsh_SK: how's security for Bratislava? 16:00:30 the university has their own security guards, whom we'll pay during the event 16:00:39 could you #info that please? 16:00:40 that is included in the amount they quoted me 16:00:44 #info the university has their own security guards, whom we'll pay during the event 16:00:50 #info Bratislava: the university has their own security guards, whom we'll pay during the event 16:01:05 #info security is included in the venue price for Bratislava 16:01:35 I think we've covered the next few questions (food/food-limitations) already 16:01:41 #topic Network 16:02:14 How much network infrastructure is already there, how much will we need to provide/setup ourselves 16:02:27 please stick your info in #info points already :) 16:04:06 #info Bratislava: as it's an "IT" faculty, it has the infrastructure already (including wired and wireless), and a network admin team 16:04:38 andrewsh_SK: how's the network in the accommodation? 16:04:47 #info Curitiba: UTFPR has a 1gbps link. we can get it to be increased for DC. we also plan to engage local connectivity providers to get more bandwitdh 16:05:10 #info Curitiba: wired local connectivity already in place. we may need to put our own wifi 16:05:27 terceiro_BR: same for you, how is network at the hotel? 16:06:09 nattie: regular hotel network. we will seek a partnership with a local provider to get a Debian-grade link in there 16:07:10 #info Curitiba: regular hotel network. we will seek a partnership with a local provider to get a Debian-grade link in there 16:07:48 nattie: at least one of the student residences have explicitly said they have Wi-Fi 16:08:15 Could both of you please look at https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/LocationCheckList#Network_connectivity and address anything that's not been addressed yet, with #info points? 16:08:15 basically, this needs to be confirmed with each of them 16:08:32 #info Bratislava at least one of the student residences have explicitly said they have Wi-Fi 16:09:32 if there's specific stuff you don't know, just say so and we'll move on 16:10:01 I don't have details on the venue network infrastructure, I only know it was used during PyCon SK and they were fine with it 16:10:34 #info Bratislava: Venue network was used successfully during PyCon SK 16:10:44 remind me how many attendees that was - around 100 IIRC? 16:10:48 or more? 16:11:35 400 16:11:46 ah, OK, that's very much comparable 16:11:46 but it was a two day conference 16:11:50 not two weeks :) 16:12:27 How about special rooms, e.g. server room / video room? 16:12:48 the specific questions here are about size, air conditioning and electrical load 16:12:59 I 16:13:50 FIIT refused to commit to providing one so far, this will have to be specifically negotiated 16:14:11 #info Bratislava: video/server rooms will have to be specifically negotiated with FIIT 16:14:46 I think the best luck for this would be to talk to the network team directly, but I haven't had a chance to yet 16:15:49 *nods* 16:16:21 terceiro_BR: ? 16:17:34 he is writing :-) 16:17:49 ok :) 16:17:58 nattie: we don't have specific details, but since classes will of off, I'm sure we will be able to find appropriate space 16:18:01 preferably in the form of #info points :) 16:18:01 * andrewsh_SK hands terceiro_BR a rotating stick: -/|\- 16:18:34 #info Curitiba: it should be possible to find appropriate space for the server and video rooms 16:18:38 #topic Accommodation 16:18:51 the venue will be on vacations, so, we will able to choose the best rooms for us :-) 16:19:08 most of the questions have been answered already AFAIC 16:19:10 T 16:19:10 if necessary, we can put cables there 16:19:45 how is the situation for couples who want to stay in the same room together? 16:20:04 #info Bratislava: some student residences are specifically designed for couples 16:20:11 are they more than 18 years old? :-) 16:20:23 i'm guessing since it's a hotel it should be fine for Curitiba also 16:20:27 yes 16:20:30 i should hope so! 16:20:34 :-) 16:20:44 #info Curitiba: couples are easily accommodated 16:20:48 how about families? 16:20:49 puritanism FTW 16:21:23 #info Curitiba: families are easily accomodated (hotel) 16:21:38 andrewsh_SK: families? 16:22:46 triple rooms should be fine for families with one kid — or hotels if not 16:23:02 alternatively, a block of multiple rooms, but that depends 16:23:24 #info Bratislava: triple rooms should be fine for families with one kid — or hotels if not. alternatively, a block of multiple rooms, but that depends 16:23:40 Will accommodation have enough keys for everybody? 16:24:11 and also, could both bids tell us about other accommodation nearby in case people don't wish to stay at the main accommodation? 16:24:15 I have no information of that kind, but I presume that a key will be given to each person accommodated 16:24:35 (as this is a student accommodation) 16:25:12 every one will have a key. 16:25:25 #info both venues should have sufficient keys for everybody 16:25:46 i think we've also addressed accessibility for the accommodations already, yes? 16:25:59 there are lot of others hotels nearby that people could use 16:26:17 i thing so. 16:26:21 really a lot 16:26:29 #info both cities have alternative accommodation available nearby for those who do not wish to stay at the main accommodation 16:26:36 #topic Fun and Free Time 16:26:38 nattie: there are a few hotels in direct proximity, and the city centre is 15 min away by tram or bus 16:26:46 Anyone got any day trip ideas already? 16:26:59 i know Bratislava has millions of castles, most of them in Austria, but never mind ;) 16:27:34 #info Curitiba: there are many possible day trip locations in the bid page 16:27:43 hiking to Koliba may be an option for people who are lazy to go somewhere far but not lazy enough to just walk in the city centre 16:28:06 it's close to the city centre, but offers some nice views 16:28:30 (https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/File:TV_VE%C5%BDA_NA_KAMZ%C3%8DKU_-_panoramio.jpg, https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/File:Lanovka_zelezna_koliba.jpg) 16:29:45 Curitiba is known to have many parks with trees, grass. 16:30:21 There is tourist bus that you can visit all tourist points in the city 16:30:44 are there any day trip options which are particularly good in terms of accessibility? 16:30:47 you pay one ticket and can visit 5 of them 16:31:26 nice 16:31:35