14:29:33 #startmeeting 14:29:33 Meeting started Thu Feb 1 14:29:33 2018 UTC. The chair is medicalwei[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:29:33 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:30:04 #topic Roll call 14:30:09 hello! 14:30:15 hi~ 14:30:16 hi 14:30:19 o/\o 14:30:31 hi~ 14:30:51 o/ 14:30:56 Please say hello if you join this meeting, and check the meeting agenda in http://deb.li/3OYuV 14:31:13 medicalwei[m]: keep it moving, a bunch of us have to leave in half an hour 14:31:13 hi 14:31:16 hello 14:31:16 hi 14:31:23 \o 14:31:39 So let's just go ahead 14:31:45 #topic DebConf Website unmaintained 14:31:51 what? 14:32:03 let's make it be maintained :) 14:32:13 hello 14:32:56 #info We have DC website unmaintained and we will remove and redirect to dc18.dc.o or keep it updated 14:33:39 Anyone want to say something to this topic? 14:33:45 i suggest we make it a place to keep the permanent things 14:33:49 such as the CoC etc 14:33:55 it is already that, and it's not working 14:33:56 medicalwei[m]: what you are meaning for DebConf website? 14:34:11 i know people have said the visual aspect is an issue 14:34:13 #info Or, only keep the permanent content at dc.o 14:34:14 cate: www.debconf.org 14:34:17 cate, www.dc.o 14:34:22 I don't see the point of a separate website when we already have trouble having people maintain the website for the current conference 14:34:47 I think it is good to have a index of past and future conferences. Especially if we can link also the video and slides ;-) 14:35:04 We probably should will leave the further debate after the meeting...? 14:35:17 and I think the three useful pages can easily be moved to the current conference website and carried over to the next one 14:35:25 the confeerence websites usually link to the previous ones 14:35:28 with appropriate redirects for the old links 14:35:28 If we link to DebConf18, we will no place to write about DebConf19 decision 14:35:48 sure, on the DebConf18 website 14:36:19 medicalwei[m]: yes, let's discuss it later, but at least we've touched upon it 14:36:24 if we put it in the minutes, we can be reminded 14:36:48 the qeustion here is really whether there's enough long lived content that survives across conferences, that we want a separate site for it 14:36:55 the www.dc.o website has been updated for DC18, it's fine, we can talk about it again in a year 14:37:13 #info the www.dc.o website has been updated for DC18 14:38:16 Okay. let's move on? 14:38:20 #topic Fundraising 14:38:26 (tumbleweed: in my opinion, no) 14:39:15 well? 14:39:20 On the fundraising topic, we have 9 sponsors so far 14:39:31 \o/ 14:39:35 6 silver, 1 bronze and 2 supporter 14:39:42 #info 9 sponsors has agreed, 6 silver, 1 bronze and 2 supporter level 14:39:43 really need some gold :) 14:39:59 tumbleweed: pun intended 14:40:08 czchen, pollo, henrich and I will try to be more active during next week to increase sponsor numbers 14:40:35 then czchen is going to talk to NTCU to find an address for sponsors to send "stuff" 14:40:51 that's all, unless czchen wants to add something else 14:41:02 #action czchen, pollo, henrich and zumbi to find more sponsors 14:41:19 That is, actually, topic about the venue... IMHO 14:41:20 nothing for fundraising from me right now 14:41:24 just FYI, our usual platinum sponsor is unavailable 14:42:20 shall we move on to visas? 14:42:20 #info our usual platinum sponsor is unavailable 14:42:31 #topic Visa 14:43:45 This is something that is probably best adressed by czchen 14:43:50 ok 14:43:55 czchen: any news? 14:44:00 #info szlin and czchen and I am trying to see if eVisa code can be easily issued from government to us 14:44:22 Let's move on 14:44:28 ouch and I forgot something about fundraising 14:44:39 #info our MEET TAIWAN fund has passed 14:45:00 (is that old news?) 14:45:15 nope 14:45:26 do you mean it's an application that was approved? 14:45:31 Yes 14:45:48 for some grant? 14:47:12 I will put the info after the meeting 14:47:17 Can't find the email rn 14:47:23 The Bureau of Foreign Trade grant our application 14:47:23 Also 14:47:23 o/ sorry for being late, work... 14:47:24 ok thanks 14:47:55 We got about $500,000 with it 14:48:06 oops, it's NTD 14:48:06 NTD? or USD? 14:48:23 #info FYI, all applications of entry permit from China visitors applied from NCTU has been rejected recently 14:48:25 cool.. I almost jump up the chait 14:48:29 chair* 14:48:51 USD 17,086 14:49:04 According to OCF, eCode is difficult to get 14:49:08 We probably need to put a string to the website indicating that this event has been funded by MEET TAIWAN 14:49:13 so, overall we got 50USD raised so far 14:49:21 50k USD I meant 14:49:31 From OCF, Most attendees can apply for the Visa exemption program. The attendees from the designated Countries and China can apply for the Visitor Visas. 14:49:33 #action medicalwei[m] to put a string to the website indicating that this event has been funded by MEET TAIWAN 14:49:34 very nice! 14:49:46 another $50k and we're there(ish) 14:49:59 The eVisa program is for special cases. If attendees are from the following countries, they would need our help to apply an eCode for them to apply Taiwan e-Visa. 14:50:12 tbh, I am expecting more than that ;) 14:50:14 Next topic... 14:50:41 Will try to see if we can get eCode for these countries 14:50:55 zumbi: you shall be right and we shall be happy :) 14:51:15 I don't have country list in English right now. Will get one after meeting. 14:51:31 We should notice people that need to apply eVisa ecode to register early for the visa 14:51:47 At least they have time if it fails 14:52:12 I think that's all? 14:52:17 okay, will reach Audrey to see if she can do something about it. 14:52:23 #topic Website update 14:52:37 \Audrey/ 14:52:41 I've been doing a bunch of hacking this week at the video team sprint 14:52:53 tumbleweed has been pushing hard so that we can replace the static debconf18.dc.o site with wafer 14:53:01 it needs a lot of content, still 14:53:05 mostly prompted by the content team pushing for a CFP 14:53:13 and before we can open registration, we need prices for packages, rooms, food 14:53:17 #info tumbleweed has been pushing hard so that we can replace the static debconf18.dc.o site with wafer 14:53:33 which means being able to accept proposals, which means having a reasonable wafer site running 14:53:40 #info website content is not yet ready to put the website online 14:53:50 medicalwei[m]: i'm happy to sit with you and a few others to discuss content outside the meeting 14:53:53 so that it's ready soon 14:53:53 you can see what we have at https://wafertest.debconf.org/ 14:53:58 #info prices for packages, rooms, food are needed 14:54:06 those quotes on the front page are getting dated now 14:54:10 we need to get the sponsors into it 14:54:27 the main priorities are : moving the current content; getting sponsor data 14:54:29 is the CFP part ready? 14:54:30 most of the pages should be reviewed 14:54:35 DLange: what's the CFP part? 14:54:37 #action someone to put sponsors into the wafer site 14:54:39 then I whink we should be able to go live? 14:54:48 you mean talk submission? 14:54:49 call for papers/participation/presentation 14:54:57 #info wiki needs heavy content update 14:54:59 that's basically ready to go, when we cut the next wafer release 14:55:03 (maybe today) 14:55:12 https://wafertest.debconf.org/about/visiting-hsinchu/ is still very empty :) 14:55:32 Ouch and I will do this part 14:55:41 by the way, anyone can help to review this PR? https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/dc18.dc.o/merge_requests/2 14:55:55 is delib helping with content? 14:55:55 We will get this done off meeting 14:56:03 can we say the website will be ready to go in two weeks and you'll get the prod instance up, too 14:56:11 I'd encourage people to try the registration process on wafertest, and report issues with it 14:56:13 if you need help she'd be happy to help if you explain her how and what 14:56:18 DLange: I think we can get it up before then 14:56:27 even better 14:56:29 one week? 14:56:35 I love deadlines :) 14:56:42 I mean, is there anything stopping us putting it up now? 14:56:53 go go go 14:56:53 if we're OK with pages that are clearly incomplete 14:57:01 your release, no install on the prod VM, not tested 14:57:02 tumbleweed: moving the content from the static thing and making sure the deeplinks still works 14:57:13 DLange: the wafertest install is on the prod vm 14:57:15 fortunately there is verely little content there 14:57:24 very 14:57:24 tumbleweed: sure :) 14:57:27 #action all people should try registration on the wafertest 14:58:18 o.k., so we'll test and complete wafertest for a week and then meet next week to see whether we are ready to go live? 14:58:39 going live doesn't necessarily mean opening registration 14:58:47 but as soon as the site is up, we can take talk proposals 14:58:50 no I just mean going life 14:58:59 #info the website should be reviewed next week and probably go live 14:58:59 (if the content team is ready) 14:59:06 cfp first, registration once we have visa sorted out and prices etc. 14:59:14 yeah 14:59:16 I think we (website team) can assess if we're ready to go live or not by ourselves 14:59:29 once Content is ok with opening proposals 15:00:19 I prefer everybody to test and then nobody to find issues. Testing your own stuff is usually not too good. 15:00:23 I can poke at moving the content from the static site tomorrow 15:00:33 if noone else looks before that 15:02:01 assessing if we're ready depends on other people looking at what we're doing, yes 15:02:08 thanks for the reminder 15:02:16 I think that's roughly all on the website? 15:02:18 #save 15:02:22 yes 15:02:35 #topic Venue (NCTU) 15:02:42 czchen: your turn 15:02:53 NCTU want a contact window for easy communication 15:03:20 a contact window? 15:03:23 #info czchen is the canonical contact window to NCTU. 15:03:30 ah, I see 15:03:33 unfied contact window 15:03:35 i have offered to be contact for NCTU along with, for example, czchen 15:03:42 s/unfied/unified 15:04:02 ok, no problem for me. 15:04:49 second, we need to finalize the room we needed so that NCTU can help to book them. 15:05:07 See deb.li/3OYuV for all the rooms right now. 15:05:35 #info 12 rooms has been listed in the venue, from B1 to 8F of the MIRC building 15:05:38 there are 4 backup rooms, one is for childcare. Do we need all other three? 15:06:01 #info s/12/15/ 15:06:45 meeting / sitting / coding room for team, front desk, NOC / video team, one storage room close to front desk 15:06:54 makes 4 :) 15:07:26 ideally separate noc and video team 15:07:41 it is listed separated. 15:07:44 Right now we have 3 hacklab, 1 fd, 1 NOC, 2 storage, 1 video 15:07:57 orga team needs a space too 15:08:12 so add one childcare, one orga team ? 15:08:48 Then can we just book all rooms except ES518, EC411 ? 15:08:57 #info we have 3 hacklab, 1 fd, 1 NOC, 2 storage, 1 video team rooms, and add 1 childcare, 1 orga meeting room 15:09:01 We also have 3 meeting rooms 15:09:14 1 open space 15:10:00 If no objection, I will book 3 hacklab, 1 fd, 1 NOC, 2 storage, 1 video team rooms, and add 1 childcare, 1 orga meeting room, 3 meeting room, open space 15:10:05 I think that's probably enough... 15:10:30 sounds good czchen 15:10:53 next one is physical address for shipment, plan to start receiving shipment from Jul 1, is that okay? 15:10:53 #agreed czchen will book 3 hacklab, 1 fd, 1 NOC, 2 storage, 1 video team rooms, 1 childcare, 1 orga meeting room, 3 meeting room, open space 15:11:08 are meeting rooms for ad-hoc BoFs or are those separate? 15:11:10 would ping pollo for this 15:11:16 (just checking) 15:11:19 olasd: separated 15:11:47 ad-hoc bof rooms can be in hacklab since it is large enough 15:12:33 just FYI, i have to leave this location now 15:12:35 I am not sure if Jul 1 is good for receiving packages though 15:12:39 some of us may be ircing from phones now 15:13:38 #action czchen and pollo to check if Jul 1 is good for start receiving packages 15:13:44 Do we need to move earlier? 15:14:18 pollo is not online, and i think this should be discussed after the meeting 15:14:24 okay, 15:14:28 This is one off thing 15:14:32 nothing here now. 15:14:33 a three week window for receiving sponsor stuff looks alright to me 15:15:08 i am moving to next topic... 15:15:11 #topic Swags 15:15:48 #action medicalwei[m] to quote prices from t-shirt printers, badges, swag bags. dining tools and other swags are in lower priority. 15:16:21 Do we have estimate price for T-shirt, badges, swag bags ? 15:16:21 #info if the price of t-shirt and swag bags are too expensive, we would do them from the usual printer of Mexico 15:16:34 badges are easy, too. T-Shirts and bags have lead times. 15:16:56 We have the price of DC17 t-shirts and swag bags listed in the git repo 15:17:29 #topic DC17 Status Update 15:18:35 pollo is not here so I will just log for meeting minutes 15:18:39 #info dc17 website is now static 15:18:43 #action DC17 team started to work on the final report 15:18:46 #info accounting is still waiting for SPI (sponsors update and bursaries) to be completed 15:19:30 #topic DSA Migration 15:20:08 Do we need to move dc18 repo to salsa? 15:20:25 wafertest moved to the DSA machine; we should probably have pollo go through the guest account motions so he can migrate kanboard 15:20:30 We need to move everything to salsa. 15:20:43 Ganneff offered to, but no progress yet 15:20:52 #action Ganneff to migrate DebConf git repos to salsa 15:21:05 ack, will take time this weekend 15:21:14 #info wafertest moved to the DSA machine 15:21:21 Thanks 15:21:21 its in prod now, something DLange mentioned would make him feel safer 15:21:31 cool, thanks 15:21:33 tumblingweed: btw, wafertest moved, can i kill off one or more vms of the old? 15:21:42 #action pollo to migrate kanboard to DSA machine 15:22:06 One, I would like to grab some of the db from the prod one 15:22:19 fine. mail me when you are done on them 15:22:27 Sure, thanks 15:22:30 no big hurry here 15:23:15 #action tumbleweed to dump and drop rod VM of the old machine 15:23:26 s/rod/prod/ 15:24:08 I'm ok with you moving stuff Ganneff 15:24:13 #topic Miscellaneous 15:24:41 please make sure you have groups for the teams (visa, bursaries) as discussed earlier 15:24:54 ay 15:25:01 thank you! 15:25:05 had some structure last time, need to dig through old emeting log to get it again. 15:25:07 I will continue to spread out the debconf 18 news in local media 15:25:09 if not i msg people in here. 15:25:21 #action Ganneff to make salsa subgroups for permission control (visa, bursaries) 15:25:45 Next meeting time, Feb 15 is bad for all Taiwan members. It is Chinese New Year's Eve. 15:25:46 #action szlin to spread the news of dc18 in Taiwanese media 15:26:33 So we should probably postpone it to 3 weeks later, Feb 22? 15:26:53 22 is good for me 15:27:05 +1 15:27:05 OK 15:27:11 snowcamp meeting ;) 15:27:37 either new years eve or Feb 22 are okay to me 15:27:39 ok, please get the prof wafer up next week though 15:27:39 no objections to 22 here 15:27:48 no meeting then for this, just chatter here 15:27:59 read: you all test please! 15:28:04 #agreed Next meeting will be at Feb 22, 14:30 UTC 15:29:01 #info DC18 in local news media: https://www.ithome.com.tw/pr/120997 15:29:20 Other things missing in this meeting? 15:29:38 no for me 15:29:47 nothing here 15:30:07 nope 15:30:23 all good 15:30:28 #endmeeting