14:30:35 <medicalwei[m]> #startmeeting 14:30:35 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Mar 8 14:30:35 2018 UTC. The chair is medicalwei[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:30:35 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:31:00 <medicalwei[m]> Matrix lags a lot 14:31:21 <medicalwei[m]> #topic 0 - Roll call 14:31:46 <jidanni> Hi 14:31:48 <zumbi> o/ 14:31:49 <szlin> hi 14:32:16 <medicalwei[m]> Please say hi~ if you are for the meeting, and meanwhile please check the meeting agenda at: https://deb.li/3OYuV 14:32:18 <medicalwei[m]> Sorry for late notice about the meeting 14:32:24 <czchen> hi 14:33:26 <nattie> hola 14:33:50 <medicalwei[m]> #chair medicalwei 14:33:50 <MeetBot> Current chairs: medicalwei medicalwei[m] 14:34:01 <paulliu> hi 14:34:04 <medicalwei[m]> just in case if matrix goes wrong 14:34:49 <medicalwei[m]> #topic 1 - DebConf Website hard to maintain 14:34:52 <nattie> ok. can we try to be reasonably quick? i only have 61% battery on my tablet, and charging it is a pain here 14:35:13 <medicalwei[m]> larjona: it's probably your topic? 14:35:23 <larjona> hi! 14:35:29 <larjona> sorry I was in the agenda 14:36:08 <larjona> about the website, I'll try to draft a last blogpost explaining that we're using now bits.d.o and the specific debconfs websites, and publish 14:36:27 <larjona> #action larjona will send to the mailing list a proposal for a last blogpost for debconf.org/blog 14:36:41 <jidanni> Google search for debconf-team archives leads to the old site first 14:36:53 <larjona> and then my proposal is to keep the rest of the content as is until DebConf18 finishes, and then move the content to www.d.o 14:37:09 <larjona> the debconf.org website now has current info, so it's ok 14:37:39 <larjona> and in other places we link to debconf.org pages such as CoC and goals. For this reason I propose to keep it as is for now 14:38:06 <medicalwei[m]> #info larjona's proposal is to keep the rest of the content as is until DebConf18 finishes, and then move the content to www.d.o 14:38:20 <jidanni> https://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team 14:39:01 <jidanni> https://lists.debconf.org/lurker/list/debconf-team.en.html 14:39:19 <jidanni> These really should redirect to lists.debian.org 14:39:32 <medicalwei[m]> I think we should move forward? 14:39:39 <olasd> medicalwei[m]: yes 14:39:41 <larjona> yes 14:39:58 <medicalwei[m]> #topic 2 - Fundraising 14:40:02 <zumbi> jidanni: listmaster will take care of that no worries 14:40:22 <jidanni> Good. 14:40:25 <zumbi> 1 Platinum, 1 Gold, 9 Silver, 2 Bronze, 3 Supporter: reached 80k USD 14:40:32 <nattie> we have a platinum! wonderful! 14:40:47 <medicalwei[m]> We have a special case that Bdale wants to sponsor us in ChaosKeysx100/ 14:40:47 <medicalwei[m]> ? 14:40:51 <zumbi> We stil got some sponsors in the pipeline 14:41:12 <medicalwei[m]> I think DLange says he's not here so I will just keep a note. 14:41:42 <olasd> medicalwei[m]: DLange wants us to decide if we accept this as equivalent to a sponsorship tier or not 14:41:44 <zumbi> larjona wanted to do press release, she needs to sync with Platinum sponsor, but she is ok to go ahead with press 14:41:55 * h01ger waves 14:42:19 <jidanni> Are you sure there will be many users of ChaosKeysx100 in Taiwan? 14:42:19 <olasd> there's also the question of distribution of the chaoskeys 14:42:23 <medicalwei[m]> #info Bdale (Altus Metrum) wants to sponsor us partially in ChaosKey x 100 and it is up to us to decide. 14:42:24 <larjona> #info two blogposts will be published soon (drafts almost ready), one thanking the Platinum, and another one thanking the first batch of sponsors. Pending to contact the Platinum for quotes etc, WIP 14:42:33 <medicalwei[m]> I think I am okay with the hardware key offer 14:42:41 <zumbi> medicalwei[m]: why? 14:42:44 <medicalwei[m]> jidanni: I think that's mostly for Debian Developers 14:42:55 <jidanni> OK 14:43:37 <medicalwei[m]> For one reason, our process is heavily rely on the PGP, which requires us a secure place to store those keys (than hard drives that probably most developers do?) 14:43:47 <olasd> that's not what chaoskeys do 14:43:56 <olasd> chaoskeys generate random numbers 14:43:59 <zumbi> chaoskeys are meant to generate entropy 14:44:11 <medicalwei[m]> Ok. I didn't check it. 14:44:45 <zumbi> so, for the Debian project, I am unsure if we need 100 chaoskeys, probably not, but I can check 14:44:48 <medicalwei[m]> If that design is the same as Niibe's key, it could become a hardware key by reflashing the firmware 14:44:49 <szlin> medicalwei[m]: I think you are talking about Nitrokey or yubikey 14:45:08 <zumbi> as give away, we cannot give chaoskeys to every participant, so .. 14:45:15 <nattie> is this really relevant to sponsorship discussion? 14:45:17 <olasd> zumbi: they weren't for the project, they were for giveaways 14:45:33 <zumbi> nattie: well, someone put that item in this slot 14:46:09 <medicalwei[m]> Could we just discuss it in debian-sponsors? 14:46:11 <zumbi> I'd sadly not accept chaoskeys as sponsorship exchange 14:46:16 <nattie> let's bear in mind some of us have limited time 14:46:26 <medicalwei[m]> Also, that is probably for debian sponsors. 14:46:28 <medicalwei[m]> Not for public discussion 14:46:46 <larjona> +1 to move to debian-sponsors 14:46:49 <zumbi> I am fine 14:47:24 <zumbi> medicalwei[m]: then we are done with this topic? move on 14:47:32 <medicalwei[m]> Also, szlin how's the chinese version of the proposal? 14:47:50 <szlin> I will upload the new version of sponsorship brochure in Chinese before this week 14:47:54 <szlin> sorry for the late 14:48:00 <nattie> thank you szlin :) 14:48:02 <medicalwei[m]> #action szlin will upload the new version of sponsorship brochure in Chinese before this week 14:48:08 <medicalwei[m]> #topic 3 - Visa 14:49:00 <medicalwei[m]> zumbi, czchen ^ 14:49:01 <czchen> For visa, eCode, we need to provide full list as a single file. 14:49:01 <zumbi> someone came to me asking about bursaries, as she needs to travel away her country to look for .TW embassy to ask for VISA, but she really needs bursary. Do we have a process for those cases? 14:49:30 <medicalwei[m]> zumbi: i think that eCode could come in handy 14:49:57 <zumbi> I am unsure what eCode is? (I am not tracking visa stuff too much) 14:50:15 <czchen> eCode is a kind of way to get visa 14:50:25 <zumbi> no need to go to embassy? 14:50:31 <medicalwei[m]> That's the code issued by government agency that you can use in spite of the nationality you are in, for applying visa online 14:50:49 <zumbi> ah! great, I'll suggest that then 14:50:49 <czchen> if people need it, we need to compile to a single file and submit to governmwnt 14:51:29 <zumbi> there is a bunch of interested people in Albania, but they also depend on sponsorship 14:51:30 <czchen> might need to put a message in registration system to ask people sending info to visa@d.o 14:51:46 <medicalwei[m]> czchen: could we send the files in batch? 14:52:02 <medicalwei[m]> (monthly, I mean?) 14:52:15 <czchen> I guess not 14:53:05 * zumbi likes the idea of having a message in registration form 14:53:12 <czchen> for sponsorship process, anyone has experience for it? 14:53:20 <nattie> do you mean bursaries? 14:53:24 <nattie> that would be the bursaries team 14:53:25 <zumbi> yeah 14:53:28 <czchen> nattie: yes 14:53:38 <olasd> experience with what 14:53:50 <medicalwei[m]> #info for people applying bursaries requiring visa, without embassy in their country, eCode is suggested. 14:54:11 <medicalwei[m]> #action czchen and people in visa team to gather visa applying attendee for applying eCode 14:54:23 <zumbi> I think we need to know the budget allocated to bursaries, and see if we can make an early decission to grant those 14:54:36 <zumbi> how long does it take eCode to process? 14:54:49 <olasd> zumbi: the budget allocated to bursaries is up to the budget team 14:55:09 <olasd> or people making the budget, whoever that is 14:55:12 <czchen> as I remember, 2 months maybe before event? 14:55:16 <zumbi> we have no budget team ATM, that was another item up for discussion 14:55:31 <olasd> basically we can take all the money you want to give us 14:55:39 <olasd> we'll put it to good use 14:56:01 <olasd> (but that's not the visa topic anymore) 14:56:19 <medicalwei[m]> There's no statement, but 1 months (or sooner) before event 14:56:20 <zumbi> right.. let's move on 14:56:28 <czchen> nothing to update for visa now 14:56:36 <zumbi> how about adding a note about it in registration? 14:56:53 <olasd> if there's something to add to the registration form it needs to be added now, registration is open 14:56:54 <zumbi> so people can apply for ecode at registration time, then we can sync with bursaries internally 14:56:59 <medicalwei[m]> "The event's organizer may apply for an Ecode which is required for eVisa online applications by sending an official document with relevant information to the Bureau of Foreign Trade, Ministry of Economic Affairs (MOEA) one month prior to the arrival date." 14:57:00 <medicalwei[m]> ok 14:57:06 <nattie> going to switch to phone irc client 14:57:20 <medicalwei[m]> #topic 4 - Website update 14:57:53 <jidanni> Cannot click I am arriving on July 21 on https://debconf18.debconf.org/register/step-2 14:57:59 <zumbi> medicalwei[m]: czchen are you ok adding it to resgistration form? if so we need an action 14:58:19 <olasd> I still don't understand what exactly you want to add to the registration form 14:58:28 <czchen> I will do it 14:58:35 <zumbi> olasd: people applying for ecode 14:58:47 <czchen> a simple note for attendee 14:59:02 <czchen> to send eCode request 14:59:08 <zumbi> olasd: so we gather them all together and ship to goverment 2 months before event 14:59:09 <olasd> anyway; please file an issue with details 14:59:43 <medicalwei[m]> #action czchen will add a textbox for people requires ecode 14:59:45 <medicalwei[m]> #undo 14:59:45 <MeetBot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x2214490> 14:59:49 <zumbi> #action czchen to open issue to get a note about eCode in the registration forms 15:00:11 <medicalwei[m]> #action czchen will add a textbox on wafer for people requires ecode 15:00:13 <olasd> website update: registration is open; needs to be communicated 15:00:25 <medicalwei> Matrix lags a lot... 15:00:44 <olasd> #info registration is open 15:00:46 <medicalwei> Do we have more things to update on the website? 15:01:01 <jidanni> Unable to enter arrival dates. 15:01:33 <zumbi> jidanni: there might be a bug tracker to open issues? (I was able to register on the test instance) 15:01:43 <jidanni> https://debconf18.debconf.org/register/step-2 overlay too big in calendar 15:01:44 <olasd> meetings aren't the time to report bugs 15:02:02 <jidanni> Bug already closed but still there. 15:02:12 <medicalwei[m]> jidanni: i think we have to put it to salsa 15:02:27 <olasd> medicalwei: yes, there's plenty of things that need updating. https://debconf18.debconf.org/about/debconf/ is missing the venue blurb for instance 15:02:36 <jidanni> https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/websites/dc18/issues/35 15:02:45 <medicalwei[m]> #topic 5 - Venue 15:03:04 <olasd> I wasn't done but okay 15:03:26 <medicalwei> #action medicalwei to add the venue info in the DebConf18 website 15:03:28 <zumbi> olasd: go ahead 15:04:12 <olasd> zumbi: no, that's fine 15:04:14 <medicalwei> Czchen, szlin and I just had a chat with Prof. Tseng about the venue status 15:04:17 <olasd> I'll go do something else 15:04:34 <zumbi> :/ 15:05:24 <czchen> we need to confirm the meeting room we need so that they can allocate their budget for them. 15:05:30 <czchen> Current room setting is in https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc18/blob/master/venue/NCTU.md 15:06:19 <medicalwei[m]> #info NCTU can rent us small fridges from the labs, for storing cheese and wine 15:06:45 <nattie-afield> We're likely to need several of those 15:07:13 <czchen> Original we need 3 hacklab, front desk, NOC, 2 storages, videoteam, orga, childcare right? 15:07:36 <nattie-afield> That sounds reasonable 15:08:03 <medicalwei[m]> #czchen and medicalwei to start the discussion in the debconf-team list to confirm the meeting rooms 15:08:07 <medicalwei[m]> #action czchen and medicalwei to start the discussion in the debconf-team list to confirm the meeting rooms 15:08:08 <czchen> We need 10 rooms, so I think we need them all? 15:08:13 <nattie-afield> They'll all be lockable? 15:08:34 <medicalwei[m]> nattie-afield: by several we asked 3 from Tseng, and he's ok with that 15:08:46 <medicalwei> Not asked about the lockability yet but we can ask the manager. 15:09:00 <czchen> At least one room we will be superseded if they need it 15:09:29 <czchen> We will try to ask for all, but maybe we cannot get all of them. 15:10:25 <czchen> #action czchen will ask for 10 rooms for 3 hacklab, front desk, NOC, 2 storages, videoteam, orga, childcare 15:10:54 <czchen> Nothing else in venue 15:11:17 <medicalwei> #action czchen to ask 李安蕙 if we can lock some of the rooms 15:11:57 <medicalwei> #topic 6 - Videoteam 15:12:24 <medicalwei> #info medicalwei went to the venue and collected the requirements 15:12:56 <medicalwei> 15:13:00 <medicalwei> https://lists.debian.org/debconf-video/2018/03/msg00000.html 15:13:37 <medicalwei> For the rest please do further discussion to the list. 15:13:43 <medicalwei> #topic 7 - Swags 15:14:33 <zumbi> swags: gwolf put me in contact with mexico T-shirt factory, I asked for ballpark figures, but I got no reply 15:14:53 <zumbi> . 15:14:55 <nattie-afield> Was this via our usual contact? 15:15:18 <zumbi> yeah, I asked for production costs + shipping to TW 15:15:18 <medicalwei> #info medicalwei is making a poster, approved by enrico for his face and quote, and is estimated to get poster printed next week. 15:15:21 <nattie-afield> How long since you contacted them? 15:15:31 <zumbi> 22nd Feb 15:15:47 <nattie-afield> Send a follow-up ping? 15:15:56 <zumbi> I'll do 15:16:17 <nattie-afield> Thanks 15:16:23 <zumbi> has someone look up prices for swags in TW? 15:16:27 <medicalwei> #action zumbi to send a follow-up email to mexico t-shirt factory 15:16:46 <nattie-afield> I think there is at least one quote from .tw around 15:17:10 <medicalwei> zumbi: I am in charge of that, but prices are pretty high compared to mexico? 15:17:12 <nattie-afield> But it seems like it's likely to be less expensive from Mexico even with shipping 15:17:35 <nattie-afield> That's what our past experience has been, anyway 15:17:41 <szlin> The vendor I got from COSCUP is the same as the medicalwei's 15:17:45 <zumbi> just sent a reply to Gaby 15:18:33 <medicalwei> #action medicalwei to find other quotes for swags 15:18:58 <medicalwei> also... 15:19:32 <medicalwei> #action AndrewLee to get posters and stickers from medicalwei to promote DebConf in FOSSASIA 15:19:50 <medicalwei> that's all on my side 15:20:33 <czchen> go to next one? 15:20:36 <medicalwei> #info 8 - Catering 15:20:46 <medicalwei> #undo 15:20:46 <MeetBot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x2075a50> 15:20:50 <medicalwei> #topic 8 - Catering 15:21:27 <czchen> szlin: Any update for catering? 15:21:56 <medicalwei> #info we received from the venue manager saying that running food carts in NCTU is not possible since that's only allowed for specific events. 15:22:17 <szlin> czchen: The proposal is still in progress 15:22:29 <czchen> We are checking with NCTU about conference dinner location, will update with AndrewLee about this part. 15:23:07 <szlin> i will ping cat4 later 15:23:19 <czchen> The information is also in https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc18/blob/master/venue/NCTU.md 15:23:23 <medicalwei> #action czchen and AndrewLee to sync with NCTU for conference dinner (辦桌) location 15:23:44 <medicalwei> #link https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc18/blob/master/venue/NCTU.md 15:24:08 <czchen> next? 15:24:15 <medicalwei> #topic 9 - Insurance 15:24:33 <medicalwei> (Was I assigned for insurance task?) 15:24:48 <czchen> I think it is me, I forgot this one 15:25:04 <czchen> Will check with insurance people to get estimate cost 15:25:15 <medicalwei> #action czchen will check with insurance company about properties, health insurance 15:25:26 <medicalwei> (copypasta from last meetbot log 15:25:28 <czchen> next one? 15:25:42 <medicalwei> #topic 10 - Day Trip 15:25:55 <medicalwei> jidanni: Do you have update on this? 15:26:16 <jidanni> Everything running smoothly. 15:26:52 <medicalwei> #info jidanni runs Day Trip things smoothly 15:26:58 <medicalwei> #topic 11 - Minister Time Frame 15:27:04 <jidanni> So I can tell the Minister to be at OpenDay from 10 to 11AM, OK? 15:27:13 <jidanni> The Minister arrainges their schedule many months in advance. 15:27:35 <czchen> Do we have open day time table now? 15:28:04 <medicalwei> #action jidanni to push debconf contents team for a time table to put Audrey Tang's session in 15:28:27 <czchen> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/OpenDay 15:28:30 <jidanni> OK I will find the debconf contents team. 15:28:53 <jidanni> I will Google debconf contents team. 15:29:24 <czchen> as I remember, local team shall handle open day? 15:29:37 <jidanni> I didn't find that team. 15:29:40 <medicalwei> jidanni: currently gwolf and azeem is in the contents team 15:29:53 <jidanni> OK thanks. 15:29:58 <medicalwei> so... maybe just send an email to debconf-team for schedule? 15:30:24 <jidanni> OK I will try. 15:30:30 <czchen> Use this one for schedule ? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/OpenDay 15:30:35 <zumbi> jidanni: I plan to help in open day orga as well 15:30:50 <medicalwei> But we don't have the timeslot though... 15:30:54 <zumbi> jidanni: we'll make sure to reserve time for minister 15:31:22 <nattie-afield> The schedule can work around the minister's availability 15:31:25 <jidanni> Yes please put time boxes on that page so we can fill them in. 15:31:28 <medicalwei> sorry. i didn't know that local team handles open day schedule 15:31:41 <medicalwei> nattie-afield: ah okay... 15:31:50 <czchen> From last meeting log 15:31:53 <czchen> 16:22:08 <zumbi> #agreed open day is 100% managed by local team 15:31:53 <jidanni> Minister said 10AM-5PM is fine. 15:32:04 <medicalwei> jidanni: i think, we can just schedule the 10-11am 15:32:20 <medicalwei> if we have any problem we can either adjust the schedule or ask audrey 15:32:34 <medicalwei> #undo 15:32:34 <MeetBot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0xf7d450> 15:32:34 <jidanni> OK Good. Minister's time is most valuable so they get 1st pick. 15:32:46 <nattie-afield> 11-12 might be better if there's flexibility 15:32:49 <czchen> Just put a table in wiki first, so that we can arrange time. 15:33:16 <jidanni> Yes maybe 11 is better, so later they can eat lunch with us! 15:33:28 <jidanni> We can invite them for lunch. 15:33:43 <nattie-afield> First thing in the morning is unlikely to be the optimal time for a popular talk 15:33:51 <medicalwei> #agreed Schedule Audrey Tang's session at 11–12 in the open day 15:34:05 <jidanni> Good! 11-12! 15:34:08 <nattie-afield> Or whenever directly before the lunch break is 15:34:12 <medicalwei> #topic 97 - DC17 Status Update 15:34:36 <nattie-afield> I think there's probably little to update from DC 17 at the moment 15:34:56 <medicalwei> ok... we can just skip that. other than the problem to finalize the budget 15:35:19 <medicalwei> #topic 98 - DSA Migration 15:35:26 <nattie-afield> I'll try to ask them to finish that up before next meeting 15:35:52 <nattie-afield> DC 17, not DSA 15:36:01 <medicalwei> #topic 97 - DC17 Status Update 15:36:17 <medicalwei> #action nattie to poke DC17 team to finalize budget 15:36:19 <nattie-afield> That's all 15:36:26 <medicalwei> #topic 98 - DSA Migration 15:37:02 <nattie-afield> Are any of the people involved present right now? 15:37:18 <olasd> no progress since last meeting 15:37:53 <medicalwei> okay... so just move on? 15:38:02 <olasd> yeah 15:38:03 <medicalwei> #topic 99 - Miscellaneous 15:38:20 <olasd> pollo is a DD now 15:38:30 <medicalwei> As usual we will have next meeting time at Mar 22? 15:38:30 <czchen> \o/ 15:38:31 <nattie-afield> Yay, congrats to him! 15:38:37 <medicalwei> #info pollo is a DD now \O/ 15:38:52 <czchen> Mar 22 is okay for me. 15:38:53 <jidanni> 3/22 OK 15:39:05 <szlin> +1 15:39:10 <medicalwei> #agreed next meeting will be at Mar 22, 14:30 UTC 15:39:12 <nattie-afield> March 22 good for me also 15:39:30 <nattie-afield> All done? 15:39:49 <zumbi> March 22 is FOSSASIA, so unsure if I'll be able to make it 15:39:49 <czchen> Nothing from me 15:39:56 <medicalwei> I think we have nothing (yet) to update. There will be FOSSASIA where some of us will promote DebConf 15:40:07 <zumbi> ++ 15:40:18 <czchen> So do we need to change meeting time to avoid FOSSASIA? 15:40:20 <medicalwei> I will give AndrewLee to put stickers and posters there. 15:40:20 <nattie-afield> I look forward to hearing from the people at that event 15:40:52 <medicalwei> *I will give AndrewLee stickers and posters 15:41:13 <medicalwei> Anything else? 15:41:40 <medicalwei> #info There will be FOSSASIA where some of us will promote DebConf 15:41:55 <medicalwei> #endmeeting