19:00:05 #startmeeting 19:00:05 Meeting started Mon Mar 15 19:00:05 2021 UTC. The chair is nattie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:05 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:25 #link https://deb.li/dc21meet (agenda) 19:00:29 #topic roll call 19:00:35 holla if ya here 19:00:51 Hi 19:01:04 hi 19:01:36 anyone else? 19:02:16 i'll give it a moment longer 19:02:59 #topic Update from Haifa 19:03:02 tzafrir_laptop: you're on 19:03:56 So as expected, things improved greatly in March. Maybe it has something to do with the coming elections. 19:04:35 can you elaborate? 19:05:00 Places are opening. And more importantly, universities may go back to teach on campus with a capacity of up to 75% of the class. 19:05:15 Where all people are vaccinated. 19:05:25 (No eating in the class) 19:06:15 #info places in Israel are reopening, and universities may return to teaching with up to 75% class capacity 19:06:19 Restaurunts and such: mostly up to 20 people inside. Some places even more, depending on the size of the place. Again, assuming all are vaccinated. 19:06:38 \o/ belated hello 19:06:39 have you had a chance to inquire at the university whether they could possibly have us? 19:06:59 do they make a difference about what vaccine was used? 19:07:18 But now an unexpected problem is the airport. Currently there's a daily quota of even 3,000 passengers. 19:07:39 #info Airports currently have a capacity limit of 3000 passengers 19:07:44 (^_^)/~ 19:07:53 tzafrir_laptop: 3000 at once or over a whole day? 19:08:16 urbec: theoretically, no. In practice, no agreements have yet been signed with any other country. I guess those will be signed in the coming months. 19:08:59 #undo 19:08:59 Removing item from minutes: 19:09:06 #info Airports currently have a capacity limit of 3000 passengers over the course of a day 19:09:15 (please correct that item if i've got it wrong) 19:09:16 nattie: for a whole day. 19:09:19 *nods* 19:09:36 I remember we set a deadline for go/no go for in-person to early april 19:09:42 yes 19:09:42 So basically this is the main thing to consider. 19:09:45 so we need to have a decision by next meeting 19:10:51 we need to set out a concrete plan for decision criteria, as well as a deadline 19:11:19 I think we need to discuss how much the local team think will be possible in August 19:11:30 if everyone's vaccinated, debconf cruiseship would be a dream 19:12:12 join_subline: as long as it has proper network connection. 19:12:36 I'd very much like some level of onsite conference even if only for people from the region 19:13:12 👍 19:13:26 we've had sponsor inquiries in that direction as other conferences are doing such "hybrid" approaches 19:13:51 the ones i've heard of offering "hybrid" approaches have cancelled the in-person part 19:14:00 based on a very small sample size 19:14:15 nah, MWC Barcelona is the big one doing hybrid now 19:15:40 I think doing a limited in person kind of "burns" Israel's plans of receiving the broader debian community 19:15:55 i.e. it defeats the purpose of having an intinerant debconf 19:16:07 well, we have to adopt to the times 19:16:23 none of us know the travel restrictions in August 2021 or in August 2022 19:17:14 we're going to have to figure that out in the next few weeks, though 19:17:16 IMO the safest is to assume no travel will be viable, and not plan in person at all for 2021 at lest 19:17:24 One thing I left out: no children have been vaccinated, and therefore there will be no herd immunity in Israel untul the end of 2021 or so. 19:17:56 #info as children have not been vaccinated, herd immunity will not be possible in Israel until late 2021 19:18:17 I mean, every DC local team expects to be able to receive the broader debian community, if that's not certain, it's pointless 19:18:42 terceiro: right, that's the safest. But as I said, others are doing hybrid and that is the explicit request from two sponsors to consider. I'm just relaying. 19:19:25 i think our attendees' safety is top priority here 19:20:00 let's set one or several action items to lead up to the decision 19:20:46 here in toronto, canada. so far no open source groups are meeting in person. 19:21:24 we're trying to guesstimate for August, join_subline 19:21:24 tzafrir_laptop: i take it you're happy to still inquire at the university what's possible? 19:21:36 Yes. 19:21:57 can we set a date on that? 19:22:44 I'd like the local team to evaluate whether they want to do a hybrid approach (may be only local attendees / vaccinated people / whatever the restrictions will be in August). 19:23:09 tzafrir_laptop: as in, when would you plan to ask, and how long do you expect an answer to take? 19:23:45 I'm fine to respond back to sponsors "the local team evaluated it and can / can't do because ..." but I can't ride the "next year" thing again with them when they exhibit at MWC earlier. 19:23:54 I think that the first step is to try to evaluate that in the local team and then ask the university. I'll try to do in in the next week. 19:23:55 battle plans are inexplicable. preparing for battle is indispensible. 19:24:12 DLange: would next meeting be OK for the local team's response there? 19:24:34 IMO we should have a firm decision by the end of next meeting 19:24:36 if university would allow, the later the conference is the more could possibly attend 19:25:13 DLange: or more concretely, by when would you want a response from the local team? 19:26:11 Is it possible to move the date? It is already late in August. 19:26:25 tzafrir_laptop: that's for you to find out 19:26:49 nattie: next meeting or the one after that is fine 19:27:02 ok, i'll stick that in an action 19:27:03 For the University it would be fine to postpone to to September, IIRC. But is it OK for us? 19:27:06 I think we're good if we come to a decision during April 19:27:16 #action local team to consider whether a partial hybrid conference would be possible 19:27:20 aren't we doing monthly meetings? 19:27:36 AIUI the next meeting is the only one in april 19:27:38 we may want to slip in an extra meeting just now around decision time? 19:27:39 dunno, the last one was last week :) 19:27:58 well last week failed miserably so we re\scheduled for today 19:28:03 nattie: yeah, makes sense. Let's do the next two bi-weekly and then see where we are? 19:28:04 yeah 19:28:17 i'll address that officially in the next item 19:28:26 wfm 19:28:44 tzafrir_laptop: can you talk to the uni and expect a response within two weeks from now? 19:29:06 I'm not sure. 19:29:16 I'll give it a shot. 19:29:17 well, can you talk to them? 19:29:19 cool 19:29:39 #action tzafrir to inquire of the university whether they think they'll be able to host us 19:29:53 i think that's as much as we can do on that topic today 19:30:14 it hinges on Tzafrir's action item, IMO 19:30:21 shall we move to scheduling? 19:30:41 #topic scheduling next meeting 19:31:02 March 29th? 19:31:12 followed by 12 April? 19:31:23 and we could also make the decision on 12 April? 19:31:23 LGTM 19:31:30 Though it's DST, so make it 18:00 UTC? 19:31:38 yeah, i was about to address that :) 19:31:59 you people are way too good in TZs 19:32:01 * terceiro +1's nattie 19:32:03 * DLange would have missed the change 19:32:11 I need to go afk now, ttyl 19:32:17 o/ 19:32:19 when one's friends live across multiple timezones, one has to be 19:32:37 #agreed next meeting: 29 March 2021, 18:00 UTC 19:33:01 #agreed in-person go/no-go decision meeting: 12 April 2021, 18:00 UTC 19:33:10 all good with that? 19:33:25 #topic AOB 19:33:33 anything before i close? 19:34:35 looks like we're all set 19:34:40 thanks all for attending 19:34:45 #endmeeting