16:58:19 <pwaring> #startmeeting DebConf 23 Team meeting: https://deb.li/dc23meet 16:58:19 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Feb 6 16:58:19 2023 UTC. The chair is pwaring. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:58:19 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:58:23 <pwaring> #topic Roll Call 16:58:33 <pwaring> call forth your breaded products (or say hi if you're here) 16:58:53 <nattiemh[m]> Come hither, o rolls! 16:58:56 <tzafrir> Hi. From mobile 16:59:02 <PirateBady[m]> hi o/ 16:59:02 <anupaannjoseph[m]> Hi 16:59:16 <kannan[m]> hey 16:59:32 <srud> hi 16:59:52 <terceiro> hi 17:00:36 <pwaring> #topic Finance: Venue contract signing - final review 17:00:51 <tumbleweed> hi 17:01:15 <pwaring> does this mean the venue contract has had a final review or needs one? 17:01:22 <srud> new halls/areas got added during venue visit 17:02:24 <srud> so we need to do review of price calculation again 17:03:09 * bhe[m] hi 17:03:10 <indiebio> hi 17:03:13 <pwaring> ok, is there a decision we need to make now or is that an update at the next meeting? 17:03:33 <[pirate]praveen> hi 17:03:47 <srud> pwaring: we cannot do decision now 17:03:54 <pwaring> ok, we'll move on then 17:04:03 <srud> decision need to happen outside of the meeting 17:04:35 <pwaring> #topic Finance: Advance payment for debconf 23 venue 17:04:55 <tumbleweed> this is a related topic 17:05:11 <tumbleweed> I assume the advance payment will happen as soon as the contract is signed 17:05:19 <srud> tumbleweed: yes 17:05:27 <terceiro> or is there something to discuss about this in specific? 17:05:50 <pwaring> it's been carried over from last time, so I don't think there's anything to discuss if there's no update 17:05:57 <srud> nothing in particular 17:06:07 <pwaring> #topic Website 17:06:25 <pwaring> last time wafertest was broken? 17:06:46 <tumbleweed> ah, right, I think I need to deal with that 17:06:47 <pwaring> and we set a tentative date of 15 March for opening registration 17:06:59 <pwaring> #action tumbleweed to look into fixing wafertest 17:07:04 <srud> yes 17:07:18 <srud> I think we have registration as separate topic 17:07:20 <PirateBady[m]> design team is working on design guidelines for the website 17:07:21 <kannan[m]> tumbleweed terceiro we are planning to do some design work on website, we might need your help. 17:07:47 <terceiro> kannan[m]: sure, just ask 17:08:15 <pwaring> #topic Sponsors' team: Written agreement/MoU with FOSS United 17:08:16 <PirateBady[m]> need help regarding how to handle registration as well 17:08:35 <tumbleweed> kannan[m]: np 17:08:41 <pwaring> is there an update on the MoU or is it still pending DPL approval/signature? 17:08:46 <tumbleweed> PirateBady[m]: do you have any specific questions there? 17:09:03 <srud> it is still pending approval 17:09:09 <[pirate]praveen> waiting for a reply from DPL about what to do if we have some money left with them after the event 17:09:55 <pwaring> #action highvoltage to reply to queries regarding MoU 17:10:15 <pwaring> #topic Sponsors' team: Sponsorship tier of Infopark 17:10:40 <[pirate]praveen> they were asking for platinum benefits for just the hall 17:10:56 <[pirate]praveen> in sponsors room we feel that was unreasonable 17:11:12 <[pirate]praveen> we are still waiting for an official reply from their said about their demand 17:11:20 <PirateBady[m]> tumbleweed: sorry for the delay. no specific questions now. will ping you later. 17:12:04 <pwaring> so they are giving us the hall in exchange for platinum sponsorship benefits? effectively instead of paying cash? 17:12:21 <[pirate]praveen> they expect that it seems 17:13:06 <tumbleweed> we need to negotiate with them 17:13:33 <[pirate]praveen> yes, we will push back on that demand 17:13:46 <pwaring> ok, so no decision needed now 17:14:29 <kannan[m]> can we give platinum on basis on non financial contributions? 17:14:32 <[pirate]praveen> the hall value may be silver-gold range, but they don't usually give it for rent so we have to make an estimate 17:14:56 <tumbleweed> kannan[m]: yes, we can. But it has to have value in that range 17:15:05 <tumbleweed> otherwise it's unfair to the other sponsors 17:15:21 <srud> kannan[m]: e.g four points gives the halls for free ;) 17:15:23 <pwaring> maybe they could make some of the food free (if they're providing the food) 17:15:24 <indiebio> is there a precedent for this? I feel like venues are a big constraint, so depending on how reasonable the details are (I don't know these, sorry) I would consider it 17:15:43 <terceiro> there is precedent, yes 17:15:52 <indiebio> Although my justification is when the venue is free, like in Lisbon next week... 17:16:06 <tumbleweed> indiebio: yes, there is precedent for it 17:16:49 <pwaring> we can revisit at next meeting post-negotiations in-between 17:16:50 <indiebio> ok, thanks terceiro. so my two cents is to consider it for platinum even if the value may be of a lower range. I guess the "scarcity" angle adds that value 17:16:50 <[pirate]praveen> it is hard to get another hall near to the hotel 17:16:57 <indiebio> exactly 17:17:16 <pwaring> #topic Visa team: Update on organisation to assist with invite letters for conference visa 17:17:27 <pwaring> last time we were waiting for clarify on the invite letter 17:17:30 <pwaring> *clarity 17:17:31 <tumbleweed> [pirate]praveen: it is hard, but it doesn't mean that we'll pay them whatever they want 17:17:49 <tumbleweed> the price has to be fair 17:18:00 <srud> Info Park has agreed to do the invite letter part if they are becoming collaborators 17:18:42 <srud> *agreed to consider the invite letter 17:19:05 <pwaring> is the invite letter basically a way to justify someone coming to India? 17:19:15 <nattiemh[m]> Would that perhaps add value to their sponsorship? 17:20:11 <[pirate]praveen> invite letter can help with the conference visa 17:20:42 <[pirate]praveen> they could apply for a visiting visa too, but it may be difficult to get depending on your personal/financial circumstances 17:21:16 <pwaring> that sounds valuable if Infopark will definitely do it (as opposed to 'considering') 17:23:11 <pwaring> should we leave that as part of the negotiation and update next time? 17:23:22 <nattiemh[m]> Sure 17:23:26 <srud> pwaring: yes, let us come back to that later 17:24:12 <[pirate]praveen> one more thing they are considering is providing child care facility 17:24:27 <terceiro> that also has value\ 17:24:34 <pwaring> #topic Registration 17:24:48 <pwaring> questions on the agenda are total number of attendees expected and how to handle registration 17:24:56 <pwaring> I think Wafer does the registration? 17:25:07 <srud> this is an important point we would like to bring up 17:25:15 <[pirate]praveen> we expect a large number of registrations from India 17:25:45 <anupaannjoseph[m]> And some might not even turn up. 17:25:45 <[pirate]praveen> for minidebconf tn we had to close registrations a week before as we crossed our expected numbers 17:25:50 <srud> so we have come up with a couple of ideas to have a balance between DebConfers and new comers 17:26:32 <terceiro> tumbleweed: do we already have some mechanism to limit the number or registrations 17:26:33 <terceiro> ? 17:26:42 <tumbleweed> no 17:26:47 <srud> one way is to start registration and take registrations till and end date.. but confirm registration only after scrutiny.. 17:26:55 <tumbleweed> we know the order they came in, but we don't have a limit right now 17:27:00 <terceiro> k 17:27:20 <srud> terceiro: the problem with that is the first comers may not be the best way 17:27:30 <terceiro> k 17:27:47 <[pirate]praveen> similar to bursary process, even for registration - specifically for new people from India 17:28:26 <terceiro> are you (local team) concerned that there will be too many people and we will DoS the veune? 17:28:35 <bhe[m]> YES 17:29:08 <srud> second method is to open registration for DDs and DMs first.. then for Debian and other free software contributors and finally new comers.. (DDs and DMs having registration open till the end).. 17:29:16 <indiebio> Is there a way to have a "hoop" or puzzle to jump through, like, write a motivation or have a salsa account or something to force motivation? It potentially adds admin to the registration team to go through the profiles, but one can pick up 'false' people or chancers 17:29:25 <srud> terceiro: definitely 17:29:40 <terceiro> one thing we have for minidc's is a field asking "What's your involvement with Debian" (DD, DM, contributor, newcomer) 17:30:01 <tumbleweed> we can punt on this problem until the end of bursaries 17:30:03 <srud> indiebio: that is the plan.. to add some hurdles and based on that get people in 17:30:20 <terceiro> we could add that field to DC as well, and them add a limit to newcomer registrations 17:30:24 <indiebio> I think opening up for established community first can work well, depending if that is technically possible. Just include, if you are even remotely thinking of coming, register now, you can always change your mind. Outline the reason for the concern 17:31:17 <tumbleweed> we can add a note to the end of the registration introduction (and confirmation email) saying that we'll have to assess numbers for newcomers, so registrations aren't confirmed until the end of the bursary process 17:31:19 <terceiro> I think we don't need to come up with the exact solution right now 17:31:34 <tumbleweed> it does help to have the solution earlier rather than later, to give time to implement 17:31:36 <terceiro> but we need some people to step up and take this as an action 17:31:42 <tumbleweed> but we certainly don't need to design it in this meeting 17:32:09 <terceiro> I guess me and tumbleweed need to be involved because of wafer-debconf, but it would be nice to have at least 1 person from the local team 17:32:11 <indiebio> I volunteer to read through a lot of motivation paragraphs to filter out chancers 17:32:19 <srud> yes, we have time till March 15 17:32:22 <terceiro> indiebio: lol 17:32:45 <indiebio> learnt a lot from our *cough nigerian *cough contingent 17:33:05 <pwaring> shall we discuss the exact details outside of the meeting and report back next time with a proposal then? 17:33:16 <nattiemh[m]> Some of them turned out to be legit though, IIRC? 17:33:28 <srud> pwaring: yes, that works 17:33:29 <indiebio> yes definitely, and those are amazing :) 17:33:30 <kannan[m]> terceiro: ✋I'll join 17:33:39 <pwaring> ok, we're nearly there :) 17:33:40 <indiebio> so it gives me satisfaction both ways 17:33:43 <pwaring> #topic Meeting schedule 17:34:02 <pwaring> Next meetings are 20th February and 6th March, same time of 17:00 UTC 17:34:06 <pwaring> #topic AOB 17:34:08 <pwaring> anything else? 17:34:18 <indiebio> nattiemh[m]: actually met someone at FOSS4G who recognised my nick, that was awesome :D 17:37:32 <pwaring> okay, thank you all for coming and see you in two weeks! 17:37:33 <pwaring> #endmeetingh 17:37:35 <pwaring> #endmeeting