17:00:03 #startmeeting DC25 orga team meeting. Agenda: https://deb.li/dc25meet 17:00:03 Meeting started Tue Jul 1 17:00:03 2025 UTC. The chair is pwaring. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:07 #topic Roll call 17:00:10 as always, say hi if you're here 17:00:14 o/ 17:00:28 hola 17:00:42 Hola 17:00:58 hi 17:01:11 goede dag 17:01:17 hi if you are here 17:01:18 o/ 17:01:20 hi 17:01:40 hi to disaster2life and everybody else 17:02:06 o/ 17:02:23 hallo! 17:03:05 #topic DebConf 26 17:03:11 late hello 17:03:22 o/ 17:03:41 We had the meeting with local authorities, they have responded very positively and have offered a lot of support 17:03:41 Next Thursday we have meeting with faculty authorities (venue) , and we hope have dates for DC26. 17:03:41 on Friday we have meeting with Hotel administration 17:03:53 hi 17:04:03 ...just before boarding the plane! :-} 17:04:22 yes ! 17:04:55 adventurous! 17:05:13 great, anything else on DC26? 17:05:24 I think that's what's relevant. 17:05:24 If you don't have any questions, we can continue. 17:06:00 #topic DC25: Budget 17:06:09 last time a final result on bursaries was in progress 17:06:46 that's all done 17:06:54 \o/ 17:06:55 bursaries are over 17:07:05 \o/ 17:07:08 alothough there is some unspent bursary budget, but too late to do anything about that 17:08:13 anything else on budget? 17:08:58 my plan to spend some time reconciling debian france and (lack of) dc25 books got preempted, but I haven't noticed any obvious drifts (and we have had some last last-minute sponsor income...) 17:09:19 yeah, if anything, things are trendingin the right directions 17:09:21 o/ 17:09:32 income is below forecast, though 17:09:42 you mean attendee income? 17:09:56 yeah 17:10:11 we've been pushing quite hard on invoice payment 17:10:13 so not much of that left 17:10:40 accommodation is 12k short 17:10:44 but we have 20k of outstanding invoices 17:10:52 not sure how mcuh of that is cancelled attendees, I really should check... 17:11:25 overall as (debianfr) treasurer I don't feel any urgency 17:11:30 :-) 17:11:31 tumbleweed: but that does not affect the number of confirmed attendees, right? 17:11:50 gwolf: we're at the physical limits :P 17:12:02 (I mean, it would be a real shame to tell people they no longer fit, but have their vacant space pushing out others) 17:12:04 accommodation and just the venue in general are both packed above capacity (but only just) 17:12:37 we're hoping for a few no-shows 17:12:51 gwolf: that’s why we have people spending 6+hours a day making sure it doesn’t happen 17:13:09 👍 17:13:30 If anything, as tumbleweed wrote, a few no-shows could be nice :D 17:14:15 * gwolf will do his best not to comply with bensmrs' request. 17:14:59 who would invoke the GPG chant if you weren’t here? 17:15:06 shall we move on to registration / content? (since that covers numbewrs too) 17:15:11 we shall 17:15:13 * gwolf avoids the use of GnuPG FWIW. 17:15:14 pwaring++ 17:15:16 #topic DC25: Registration: Content team 17:15:33 We have been busy :-) 17:15:38 VERY BUSY 17:16:12 Academic track is underway. All authors have been contacted and given their final reviews, this Thursday is the limit for the submitted camera-ready papers 17:16:23 Looks like tracking unregistered speakers was fun also :) 17:16:29 we have a couple of speakers who failed to register / confirm 17:16:30 tassia[mds] and LucasKanashiro[mds] have been breaking their brains getting the schedule on track 17:16:42 Yes... that always happens :-Þ 17:17:08 this year it's even more fun due to the limits: I understand that if they failed to confirm so far... no hopes for them to participate 17:17:28 I can confirm your understanding 17:18:01 I don't know if others can provide more information 17:18:08 but that'd be the sum-up of it. 17:18:23 Don’t want to sound pressing, but do we have an ETA for the schedule? 17:18:26 We have a first version of the schedule, we will present to the team tomorrow before publicizing it 17:18:33 great 17:18:57 And adjust whatever is needed 17:19:25 sounds like everything is in hand, anything else on content that we need to discuss? 17:19:51 we know people will complain about too many concurrent activities 17:20:05 ...but we had no option :-| 17:20:13 either that, or losing many valuable talks... 17:20:20 People always find ways to complain 17:20:21 as long as nobody has to be in two places at once... 17:20:30 such is the risk with multiple tracks 17:20:33 tumbleweed: that's what we have a videoteam for. 17:20:36 :) 17:20:55 #topic DC25: Child care 17:21:05 err quick content question 17:21:16 with ~450 registered attendees 17:21:25 what are we going to do with the "plenary" sessions? 17:21:31 yeah let’s not say how many 17:21:43 well, the “plenary” room is approved for 400 people 17:21:45 that’s all 17:21:47 OK 17:21:49 then we're fine 17:21:52 I thought it was well belowe that 17:21:54 Fire safety reasons 17:21:57 Lets hope 50 people decide not to join the sessions... 17:22:15 so, child care 17:22:24 My fellow childcaremasters don’t seem to be here 17:22:30 * disaster2life volunteers to sleep in :p 17:22:47 We were quite disappointed to so many parents cancelling child care while we’ve been working on it for 3 months 17:22:55 s/to/that/ 17:23:10 but that’s how it is 17:23:16 you think that was a communication issue? did they lose confidence? 17:23:30 sorry there's not much time left to make new babies either 17:23:33 No idea, I hope we’ll discuss that at the DC BoF 17:23:47 I can answer to my case: We requested it because it was offered, but wanted to see how it would be before deciding 17:23:56 although being in a strictly regulated country as France doesn’t help 17:23:57 I am sorry for my part of that 17:24:01 highvoltage: childcare doesn't cover infants 17:24:16 (well, <3y/o babies) 17:24:25 and... well, it was not attractive to the kids. Plus, my wife is not in DebConf's target... They will be mostly doing some low-intensity tourism in the microregion. 17:24:51 our disappointment is not targetted at parents, gwolf 17:24:52 how many kids are actually getting that? 17:25:06 maybe the lesson there is that we need to be clear in what we can provide upfront, if we're going to even try childcare... 17:25:06 highvoltage: If one person can make a baby in nine months, and we have 450 attendess.. we could have at least two babies made in time! 17:25:10 EnkelenaH[mds]: I don’t think we even have 4 kids in child care 17:25:13 (I know that was really hard in France) 17:25:14 EnkelenaH[mds]: by my last count, one. 17:25:56 :( 17:26:02 I'm also sorry for my part in it... we did ask to several of the people over time, but I completely understand it took such effort :-( 17:26:06 cancel it and save money? 17:26:24 like ask the last child or their parents? 17:26:27 DLange: it's a targeted sponsorship so it's zero cost (and it's not fair to the parents who have come to rely on it) 17:26:32 DLange: a huge part of the work was getting public subsidies for it 17:26:55 the actual cost to DebConf was the 3 month legwork to make it happen 17:27:08 aah, ok, that wasn't public info 17:27:33 No, we haven’t made all our paperwork public :) 17:27:37 anything else we need to discuss on child care? 17:27:42 nope 17:28:16 maybe the lesson there is that we need to be clear in what we can provide upfront, if we're going to even try childcare... > I am not sure we were able to anticipate the venue constraints... 17:28:29 right 17:28:40 It’s not really a venue constraint for once 17:29:01 rather a “oh, but it’s illegal for us to come here and handle childcare” 17:29:12 I meant that 17:29:13 yeah, France... 17:29:25 * tumbleweed wouldn't have expected that at all 17:29:36 thanks again for all the hard work on that 17:29:41 +1 17:29:43 +1 17:29:48 +1 17:29:50 Well, TBH childcare is always a hard point... I guess we only _really_ used it in DC15 (and I wasn't there, so I don't even remember) 17:29:57 We’re a bit bitter, but in the end it will help, and that’s all that matters 17:29:57 and it does drain a lot of effort! 17:29:59 #topic Day trip 17:30:13 Right, thanks a lot to all of you who worked for it... 17:30:14 it is still possible to go see the otters! 17:30:25 (for those who care about otters) 17:30:54 IOW: sign up for Option C, there is still time! 17:30:59 Although the limit has been lowered to 110 people 17:31:02 today's the last day for that, right 17:31:08 but please register because the 110 tickets are paid for 17:31:10 * tumbleweed will make that so, now 17:31:38 the Day Trip D data has been mangled and sent to the ferry operator; Day Trip C has been booked and there's a few spaces available; Day Trips B and A are still open too. 17:31:52 I think that's it 17:32:10 We know it’s a bit tough to have to close daytrip registration BEFORE debcamp even started 17:32:16 but again, strictly regulated country… 17:32:25 wait theres otters O.O 17:32:28 bensmrs: we made it work! 17:32:41 I think we did okay 17:32:47 but yeah, I guess a clear schedule for the attendees would have been nice 17:32:57 something that made signup a little fairer 17:33:02 (and didn't overlap with visas) 17:33:45 if you already have 110 tickets paid, why not let the next 18 people sign in whenever until its filled? 17:33:55 EnkelenaH[mds]: that's what is happening 17:33:55 That’s what we’re doing! 17:34:02 great 17:34:12 ... and, it's done 17:35:11 next? 17:35:12 anything else on day trips, given that they're about to close? :) 17:35:14 ha 17:35:15 Anyway, all of these experiences will help for our next DebConf in Brest. 17:35:20 #topic Meeting schedule 17:35:28 what a joke! 17:35:44 no more IRC meetings now, everything will (presumably!) take place on site as usual in DebCamp/DebConf 17:35:58 no orga left, you're on your own ;-) 17:36:10 I'm still waiting for the next DC in Oaxtepec 17:36:12 a handful of us will be in Plouzané on Friday 17:36:23 #topic AOB 17:36:26 anything else before we finish? 17:36:31 bars ain’t gonna taste test themselves! 17:36:39 magic buses have been booked! 17:36:43 \o/ 17:36:45 wooo buses! 17:36:45 oh it’s very true 17:36:45 more registration things 17:36:56 santiago: I refuse to believe that they exist until I see one 17:37:06 badges are in progress... I think? 17:37:07 :) 17:37:13 badges are in progress, yes 17:37:14 We like buses, we have both unlimited public transportation tickets and magic buses 17:37:18 welcome email is in progress? 17:37:21 re: buses, are they low floor? 17:37:24 FD phone number? 17:37:32 we have FD phone number 17:37:33 fd phone number has been in my phone for 10 days 17:37:37 \o/ 17:37:40 venue plan for welcome email is in progress 17:37:45 olasd: shall we get it onto the website? 17:37:49 magic buses! 17:37:52 santiago: Move to Mexico, you can organize it. But first lets get Argentina done. 17:37:58 on site cheese storage? 17:38:06 And there’s https://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/25/GettingThere to help people getting to the venue 17:38:17 there will be fridges in the rooms :p 17:38:27 bensmrs: very nice! 17:38:36 bensmrs++ 17:38:38 decentralised cheese storage until cheese and wine? 17:38:42 FTR, C&W will NOT happend at the venue 17:38:48 happen* 17:38:52 ok, thanks for coming everyone and enjoy DebConf! 17:38:52 it will be at another place 17:38:56 #endmeeting