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[16:05:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 1. remaining fosdem and debconf7 videos<br />
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[16:06:21] &lt;des&gt; the showstopper here is penta AFAIUI<br />
[16:06:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; the fosdem videos are done (since two month or so), just need annoucing. if someone can beat me to that, great. if someone can help me with it, greater :)<br />
[16:06:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, so penta is still the showstopper for debconf8 - who should know if not you? :)<br />
[16:07:02] &lt;des&gt; I've ported the code to penta 0.3 as I said here sometime ago, pushed it to upstream, but hasn't been merged yet<br />
[16:07:39] &lt;edrz&gt; what version currently runs on penta.debconf.org?<br />
[16:07:42] &lt;des&gt; Maybe I could work with Ganneff into merging it to the dc penta code<br />
[16:07:57] &lt;des&gt; edrz: is a customized version based on 0.3<br />
[16:08:00] &lt;des&gt; or so<br />
[16:08:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, please do. we would really really like to have no debconf7 backlog when we start debconf8<br />
[16:08:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; either merge it or set up an old instance<br />
[16:08:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; Womble2 / WombleToo probably also has something to say to this...<br />
[16:08:49] &lt;des&gt; edrz: the one I call "the dc penta code"<br />
[16:09:01] &lt;xerakko&gt; hi<br />
[16:09:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi xerakko <br />
[16:09:25] * xerakko reading log...<br />
[16:09:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko, agenda at http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Videoteam/Meetings<br />
[16:09:31] &lt;edrz&gt; how much remains to be done with dc7 videos?<br />
[16:09:32] &lt;des&gt; yes there are some technical differencies for the video importing scripts, but should be workable<br />
[16:09:48] &lt;des&gt; (i've already updated the sql schema reflecting those changes in the video-team svn)<br />
[16:09:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, afaik not much. just letting a script run, i think the manual work is mostly done. again, Womble2 knows<br />
[16:10:07] &lt;edrz&gt; ah, ok.<br />
[16:10:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; next point? we will keep this on our agenda until its done, so... lets move on :)<br />
[16:10:32] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: #action me to try to merge the new code in penta.dc.o<br />
[16:10:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, try again without the "h01ger: " in front.. :)<br />
[16:11:02] &lt;des&gt; oh, public actions? nice<br />
[16:11:13] &lt;des&gt; #action merge the new code in penta.dc.o<br />
[16:11:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; nope, doesnt work<br />
[16:11:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action des will try to merge the new code in penta.dc.o<br />
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[16:11:50] &lt;des&gt; there<br />
[16:11:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 2. debconf8 planning<br />
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[16:12:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 2.1 debconf8 planning:  team members planning to be at dc8 <br />
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[16:12:15] * h01ger will be in .ar - who else? :)<br />
[16:12:17] &lt;edrz&gt; i'll be there<br />
[16:12:20] * des <br />
[16:12:21] &lt;xerakko&gt; me too<br />
[16:12:35] &lt;xerakko&gt; dererk, will be there too<br />
[16:12:54] &lt;edrz&gt; hermanr: ?<br />
[16:12:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; i guess thats it, plus hermanr. toresbe? Q_ ?<br />
[16:12:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr will be there<br />
[16:13:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action dererk des edrz hermanr xerakko and h01ger will be in .ar for sure. not sure about toresbe and Q_ <br />
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[16:13:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action we need more volunteers!<br />
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[16:13:45] &lt;xerakko&gt; rene merou will be there too<br />
[16:13:59] &lt;hermanr&gt; I will come.<br />
[16:14:03] &lt;edrz&gt; how many .ar volunteers can we expect for video work?<br />
[16:14:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, marga said she had a bunch of them<br />
[16:14:33] &lt;des&gt; we only have 18 volunteers atm, IIRC<br />
[16:14:40] &lt;edrz&gt; yes, i know. bunch == ?<br />
[16:14:55] &lt;edrz&gt; ah. 18 total for all of dc?<br />
[16:14:56] &lt;des&gt; which is quite disapointing, we were expecting like 30<br />
[16:15:01] &lt;des&gt; yes<br />
[16:15:05] &lt;edrz&gt; hmm.<br />
[16:15:13] &lt;xerakko&gt; :/<br />
[16:15:32] &lt;des&gt; and I'm not sure we'll get more<br />
[16:15:34] * h01ger just said on #debconf-team: <h01ger> marga: you once said you had a bunch of .ar volunteers to helk the video team. it looks like we need them, currently our team consist of 6 people, who will be dead at the second^wthird day without external help :)<br />
[16:16:08] &lt;hermanr&gt; If most of the volunteers are fresh people, we need talkback.<br />
[16:16:18] &lt;des&gt; yes, they are<br />
[16:16:49] &lt;hermanr&gt; talkback: Headphones to the camera operators, with intercom from the producer.<br />
[16:17:22] &lt;daven&gt; hermanr: I'd suggest setting up an asterisk instance on the video server<br />
[16:17:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, we were freshmans too and we managed about talkback. PLEASE lets get the absolutly mandatory infrastructure in place, before designing whistles and bells<br />
[16:17:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, you mean like last year<br />
[16:18:08] &lt;des&gt; we'll have some handies, but I'm not sure how many and if there would be any spare for video-team<br />
[16:18:12] &lt;hermanr&gt; Asterisk is utter fail wrt usability, IMO.<br />
[16:18:17] &lt;des&gt; that might be an option<br />
[16:18:27] &lt;edrz&gt; talkback might be nice, but /me agrees with h01ger, we need to be sure we have cameras, etc, before.<br />
[16:18:46] &lt;des&gt; do we have any figure of how many volunteers we would need?<br />
[16:18:53] &lt;daven&gt; h01ger: if I didn't have exams at the time it would've worked<br />
[16:18:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; marga has 18 volunteers and can possible get more. (not all for video, but..)<br />
[16:19:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, and this year you are not there. so... lets drop the idea for now. please.<br />
[16:19:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, not yet<br />
[16:19:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; next point?<br />
[16:19:53] &lt;edrz&gt; sure.<br />
[16:20:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action there are local volunteers to help us too. we need to find out how many people we need. <br />
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[16:20:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action so we should set up penta for this, as this will give us a schedule and a view, whos missing when and where<br />
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[16:21:13] &lt;des&gt; that's the part is missing of penta<br />
[16:21:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 2.2 debconf8 planning:   hardware aquisitions <br />
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[16:21:32] &lt;des&gt; I'll do it this week<br />
[16:21:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, rock!!<br />
[16:22:01] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, muchas gracias already! :)<br />
[16:22:01] &lt;edrz&gt; des: meaning that part exists, but still needs merging into dc-penta?<br />
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[16:22:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Videoteam/Hardware<br />
[16:22:14] &lt;h01ger&gt; has the list of hardware we currently plan to buy<br />
[16:22:32] &lt;des&gt; edrz: no, it doesn't exists (except for last year code, based on 0.2)<br />
[16:22:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; the DPL has approved me to spend 2000 EUR sensibly :)<br />
[16:23:00] &lt;hermanr&gt; daven still has my Sony, which still has b0rken fw port, AFAIK...<br />
[16:23:22] &lt;daven&gt; yep<br />
[16:23:36] * hermanr would not mind travelling lightly to this Debconf.<br />
[16:23:40] &lt;daven&gt; confirmed. If you look closely, one of the pins is out of alignment<br />
[16:23:57] &lt;hermanr&gt; daven: Is that user serviceable?<br />
[16:23:57] &lt;des&gt; we are getting 4 cameras from dererk's friend, and a NTSC from gunnar<br />
[16:24:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; daven, regarding short XLR cables: at first i wouldnt buy them extra. the mic i bought came with one, which was a special offer. i assume we get those offers again<br />
[16:24:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, do those 4 cams from dereks friend have (audio) line-in? are they pal or ntsc?<br />
[16:24:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, we dont want a mixed ntsc/pal setup... at least we want to avoid that :)<br />
[16:24:42] &lt;edrz&gt; there is some confusion about the model of those cameras ...<br />
[16:25:03] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: they are PAL, adn have line-in, although there is confusion regarding the exact model<br />
[16:25:06] &lt;edrz&gt; derek said "panasonic dv-9000"<br />
[16:25:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, rock!<br />
[16:25:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action we are getting 4 cameras from dererk's friend - they are PAL, adn have line-in, although there is confusion regarding the exact model<br />
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[16:25:47] &lt;edrz&gt; if they are actually  Panasonic NV-MD9000, then they have xlr inputs.<br />
[16:25:54] &lt;des&gt; but they are suposedly nice cameras since he does video for living<br />
[16:26:06] &lt;edrz&gt; if not, i can't figure out what exactly they are ...<br />
[16:26:17] &lt;des&gt; they have line-in since that was asked specifically<br />
[16:26:29] &lt;edrz&gt; des: he is giving them for free use?<br />
[16:26:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, i understand your hope, but giving how many people are coming... i would be happy if you could bring stuff... which we need to buy still. and i would be happy if xerrako could bring stuff too. xerakko, when will you arrive in .ar?<br />
[16:26:33] &lt;des&gt; same with PAL<br />
[16:26:55] &lt;des&gt; edrz: he asked for a sponsored stay so he can watch us use them sensibly<br />
[16:27:09] &lt;edrz&gt; would be strange for .ar video pro to have non-pal cameras. ;)<br />
[16:27:17] &lt;xerakko&gt; I'll be in .ar at 1st, but I'll go t to mdq in 9<br />
[16:27:18] &lt;edrz&gt; des: nice.<br />
[16:27:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, did he got that granted? i'd expect him to be helpful too, if he is there...<br />
[16:27:34] &lt;des&gt; edrz: I suspect he'll join the team too ;-p<br />
[16:27:53] &lt;edrz&gt; :)<br />
[16:27:57] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: yes, I'd like to confirm the model of the cameras, but yes he does<br />
[16:28:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, whats his name?<br />
[16:28:41] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: I don't know, dererk was the only one talking with him so far<br />
[16:28:47] &lt;edrz&gt; ok. so if we have those 4 cams + existing twinpact, + maybe another new twinpact, we can cover the two main talk rooms easily.<br />
[16:28:49] &lt;des&gt; s/was/is/<br />
[16:29:07] &lt;edrz&gt; des: is he from mdq?<br />
[16:29:12] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: I asked dererk to ask him to suscribe in penta and let us know<br />
[16:29:19] &lt;xerakko&gt; dererk, is from buenos aires<br />
[16:29:20] &lt;des&gt; edrz: no, bs.as.<br />
[16:29:55] * hermanr could use cheapo cams for the audience, if we are short of nice ones<br />
[16:29:59] &lt;des&gt; edrz: yes, and gwolf NTSC for the randomly located BOF, maybe?<br />
[16:29:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, we have money for three twinpacts. we just need to get them into the country. (and ordered and payed, debian will reimburst..)<br />
[16:30:01] &lt;edrz&gt; any ides when he and his gear will be available? i.e. can he be at debcamp?<br />
[16:30:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, i would rather not use ntsc _at_all_. it makes everything more complicated<br />
[16:30:36] * edrz agrees.<br />
[16:30:40] &lt;des&gt; edrz: I think dererk was talking about debconf proper only, but we can ask<br />
[16:30:41] * dererk is in a study break<br />
[16:30:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, yes, what edrz said: when will his gear be available? at debcamp?<br />
[16:30:48] * dererk backlogs<br />
[16:30:56] &lt;xerakko&gt; hi dererk <br />
[16:30:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi dererk :)<br />
[16:31:04] &lt;WombleToo&gt; I'm present now<br />
[16:31:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi WombleToo <br />
[16:31:20] &lt;dererk&gt; Hi all :D<br />
[16:31:32] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: then please tell that to gwolf since I told him we could probably use the NTSC camera<br />
[16:31:39] &lt;des&gt; (since I knew the only problem was mixing it with pal)<br />
[16:31:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, will do <br />
[16:31:49] &lt;daven&gt; ah<br />
[16:32:06] &lt;des&gt; great, thanks<br />
[16:32:23] &lt;daven&gt; something that I've just thought of: what power do you have in Argentina, and how will our gear cope with lower voltages<br />
[16:32:43] &lt;edrz&gt; same plugs as .au/.nz<br />
[16:32:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; so, hermanr and xerakko: would you be willing to order stuff for 500-700 eur (a twinpact, a mic or two, maybe a audio mixer), bring that to .ar and get reimbursted shortly after you send the recipes to the DPL?<br />
[16:33:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; maybe a bit less than 500-700 EUR...<br />
[16:33:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; depends how we share that...<br />
[16:33:24] &lt;WombleToo&gt; s/recipes/receipts/ perhaps<br />
[16:33:25] * h01ger hopes for toresbe or Q_ coming too and we can ask !team-members too<br />
[16:33:25] &lt;dererk&gt; As des said, yes, the owner of the 4 cams will be helping too<br />
[16:33:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; WombleToo, probably, yes<br />
[16:33:32] &lt;hermanr&gt; h01ger: Is it that much more expensive in Argentina?<br />
[16:33:43] &lt;xerakko&gt; h01ger, how does it work? I must to bring my computer too<br />
[16:34:07] &lt;edrz&gt; last time i looked i saw a twinpact for slightly less in u$d than the equivalent i had seen in quoted in euros.<br />
[16:34:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko, you bring both. the stuff is not heavy (1-3 kg) and not big. and should be no deal with customs, you're just a crazy tourist with some gear<br />
[16:34:31] &lt;xerakko&gt; xD<br />
[16:34:31] &lt;dererk&gt; I asked the guy for assist on 2nd Aug, and he accepted<br />
[16:34:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, i'm fine if we buy in the USA instead of the USEU :)<br />
[16:35:04] &lt;xerakko&gt; must I pay for bringing it?<br />
[16:35:06] &lt;dererk&gt; (as for edrz question)<br />
[16:35:14] &lt;edrz&gt; des: that's great.<br />
[16:35:20] &lt;edrz&gt; s/des/derek/<br />
[16:35:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko, no. same with your computer or stuff. its tourist gear you take out of the country again...<br />
[16:35:57] &lt;xerakko&gt; ok<br />
[16:36:00] &lt;dererk&gt; edrz, s/derek/dererk/ :)<br />
[16:36:04] &lt;xerakko&gt; and when you need it?<br />
[16:36:05] &lt;edrz&gt; dererk: will he also bring tripods and various other video gear?<br />
[16:36:20] &lt;xerakko&gt; remember I'll bot be there till 9, but I'll arrive .ar in 1rs<br />
[16:36:21] &lt;edrz&gt; dererk: sorry. :-/<br />
[16:36:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, can you try and look for good twinpact offers in the US? 400 USD is a lot cheaper than 400 EUR...<br />
[16:36:28] &lt;hermanr&gt; We'll end up paying taxes in our own country instead (for importing), so what is the benefit?<br />
[16:36:46] &lt;edrz&gt; h01ger: sure. <br />
[16:36:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, right, you're out of the EU...<br />
[16:36:56] &lt;dererk&gt; edrz, It's highly possible that if I asked for them, he'll bring them. I've to ask Localteam to sponsor his travel though<br />
[16:37:05] &lt;dererk&gt; it's not trivial lagguage <br />
[16:37:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; if xerakko buys in .de at the store daven suggested, he doesnt pay extra...<br />
[16:37:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; (as he is in .es)<br />
[16:38:10] &lt;hermanr&gt; There is a substantial custum handling fee here.<br />
[16:38:11] &lt;edrz&gt; h01ger: first look, just at amazon, 513 USD = ~330 euro.<br />
[16:38:16] &lt;dererk&gt; xerakko, des que serķa "video gear" ?<br />
[16:38:18] &lt;LarstiQ&gt; hermanr: hmm, would we have pay import taxes each time the gear ends up staying in another country after being used?<br />
[16:38:24] &lt;edrz&gt; i'm pretty sure theres a place that has them slightly cheaper.<br />
[16:38:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, ok, so i will forget about you ;)<br />
[16:38:52] &lt;des&gt; dererk: random video related hardware, like cables, tripods, $stuff ;-p<br />
[16:38:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; LarstiQ, are you coming to dc8? (and afaik "no" to your question..) + hi :)<br />
[16:38:56] &lt;hermanr&gt; LarstiQ: We invoke the tourist excuse then, since we are traveling with it.<br />
[16:38:57] &lt;dererk&gt; ah<br />
[16:39:47] &lt;des&gt; dererk: aranging the transportation wouldn't be hard. We'll need to do it for other hardware, so that's easy<br />
[16:40:08] &lt;LarstiQ&gt; h01ger: unless I somehow miracously get travel sponsorship, I'm not going to dc8.<br />
[16:40:21] &lt;LarstiQ&gt; h01ger: I do have the time to go fwiw.<br />
[16:40:25] &lt;dererk&gt; des, Yeap, but I've to ask him that too though<br />
[16:40:40] * h01ger nods LarstiQ - though miracles are, aeh, miracles ;)<br />
[16:41:05] &lt;des&gt; dererk: I mean we can offer him that<br />
[16:41:18] &lt;xerakko&gt; when will be the video stuff necessary <br />
[16:41:22] &lt;dererk&gt; des, I offered him the assurance policy and he told me "I don't need it, I would just like to take a look at them from time to time"<br />
[16:41:26] &lt;xerakko&gt; 1st? or 9th?<br />
[16:41:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; dererk, des: so you think its likely we will get tripods from that guy, too? that be awesome...<br />
[16:41:41] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger, highly <br />
[16:41:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko, rather 1st, though its ok if some parts arrive later. <br />
[16:41:58] &lt;Q_&gt; I guess I'm a little late.  I'm coming to dc8.<br />
[16:42:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; one twinpact and mixer will be there on the first<br />
[16:42:09] &lt;dererk&gt; So, as for the date. Would be 2nd Aug proper?<br />
[16:42:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi Q_! great!<br />
[16:42:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; dererk, yes<br />
[16:42:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; fully<br />
[16:42:18] &lt;dererk&gt; good :D<br />
[16:42:22] &lt;xerakko&gt; I could bring something if somebody could get it at 1st<br />
[16:42:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko, i guess that will work. i'll arrive in buenos aires on the 31st..<br />
[16:42:58] &lt;des&gt; dererk and I will coordinate that with his friend<br />
[16:42:59] &lt;xerakko&gt; dererk, could you? (I'll arrive to buenos aires )<br />
[16:43:16] &lt;dererk&gt; yeah<br />
[16:43:32] &lt;des&gt; we'd like to have the 4 cameras and 4 tripods<br />
[16:43:32] &lt;des&gt; that's it?<br />
[16:43:35] &lt;edrz&gt; i pass through BA on the 1st.<br />
[16:44:05] &lt;xerakko&gt; I'll arrive BA on the 1rst at 9:20 am<br />
[16:44:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, audio cables for the cams to. either xlr2xlr or xlr2chinch, depending what the cams have<br />
[16:44:18] &lt;des&gt; xerakko: we can find a place for you to drop stuff temporarly in BSAS<br />
[16:44:24] &lt;xerakko&gt; nice<br />
[16:44:32] &lt;dererk&gt; xerakko, d'oh, I'll have to wake up earlier :-P<br />
[16:44:33] &lt;des&gt; dererk: ^<br />
[16:44:46] &lt;xerakko&gt; dererk, remember I'll be in bsas two days<br />
[16:44:49] &lt;edrz&gt; xlr2chinchilla?<br />
[16:44:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; :)<br />
[16:45:01] &lt;dererk&gt; des, xerakko and I have already planned to meet already<br />
[16:45:08] &lt;dererk&gt; so no problema :)<br />
[16:45:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; on the 1st?<br />
[16:45:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, dererk: when do you plan to go to MDQ?<br />
[16:45:33] &lt;edrz&gt; ok, so probably we are in pretty good shape, video equipment-wise<br />
[16:45:44] &lt;edrz&gt; should we talk audio gear and computers now?<br />
[16:45:48] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger, on 1st night would be great, I've no already arranged that<br />
[16:46:22] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger, It's highly probably that others localguys go there on 1st, so I could save the travel fair :P<br />
[16:46:33] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: I'll probably be there a week before, depending how much is needed there or here (BA)<br />
[16:46:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; dererk, des: amaya and me probably also want to go on the 1st...<br />
[16:47:10] * h01ger nods edrz <br />
[16:47:13] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger, when do you arrive?<br />
[16:47:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; audio gear and computers now<br />
[16:47:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; dererk, 31st i think. (definitly leaving on the 30th)<br />
[16:47:31] &lt;dererk&gt; ahhh<br />
[16:47:35] &lt;dererk&gt; nice!<br />
[16:47:46] &lt;edrz&gt; i'm starting to wonder if i could cancel my ba <-> mdq flight and take a bus with others ...<br />
[16:47:57] &lt;dererk&gt; edrz, why so?<br />
[16:48:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; dererk, 31st in the morning<br />
[16:48:25] &lt;dererk&gt; ahh, I didn't read the "with others..." :)<br />
[16:48:26] &lt;edrz&gt; seems most people are taking bus and it might be nice to travel with others <br />
[16:48:40] &lt;dererk&gt; edrz, yes, sorry sorry, I missed the last part<br />
[16:48:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; des: what was the url for the wiki page with the computer planning? (it was in spanish..)<br />
[16:48:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; or dererk ?<br />
[16:49:03] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger, Debconf8/Hardware<br />
[16:49:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; you're nicks are to similar ;)<br />
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[16:49:26] &lt;dererk&gt; http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf8/Hardware<br />
[16:49:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; gracias, just found it :)<br />
[16:49:47] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger, I tried to force des to change his, but didn't succeed :P<br />
[16:50:02] &lt;dererk&gt; (j/k) <br />
[16:50:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; (btw, for the linkssys i suggest you note down the board revision you are getting. WRT54GL is not the same as WRT54GL ;)<br />
[16:50:32] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger,  WRT54GL is not the same as WRT54GL  ?<br />
[16:50:36] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: ok<br />
[16:50:42] &lt;dererk&gt; ahh, you mean revisions<br />
[16:50:52] &lt;des&gt; dererk: yes <br />
[16:51:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; yes. they differ a lot<br />
[16:51:32] &lt;des&gt; are we still on hardware aquisitions ? ;-p<br />
[16:51:32] &lt;Q_&gt; For what are we goign to use the wireless?<br />
[16:51:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; hm. that hardware list is a bit confusing: first a list, what we'll get. and then another, where we need it for. i'd suggest to merge it into one :)<br />
[16:51:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; Q_, normal attendees. thats the overall debconf8 hardware list<br />
[16:52:01] &lt;des&gt; btw, an #action for dererk and I for the cameras+tripod+audio cables would be in order<br />
[16:52:11] &lt;edrz&gt; and are these items already promissed, or just what has been requested?<br />
[16:52:16] &lt;Q_&gt; Oh.<br />
[16:52:36] &lt;dererk&gt; well<br />
[16:52:37] &lt;des&gt; edrz: promised<br />
[16:52:49] &lt;des&gt; Q_: that hw list is for the whole dc8, not for video<br />
[16:53:10] &lt;dererk&gt; the good news is that, as for my notes, We already fullfilled the V-T basic requirements<br />
[16:53:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; Q_, edrz, xerakko: please follow the invites :) <br />
[16:53:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; anybody else who is willing and able to bring hardware to .ar, please ping me<br />
[16:54:45] &lt;dererk&gt; We have to ping for two or three regular pc's for capturing dv, but that's really trivial machines so no problemo :)<br />
[16:54:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, how likely is it the promisses will be kept?<br />
[16:55:22] &lt;edrz&gt; + it would be good to know dates when machines become available.<br />
[16:55:24] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: highly likely<br />
[16:55:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; great<br />
[16:55:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; the list only assumes we will be streaming two venues, though<br />
[16:55:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats not so great<br />
[16:55:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; ;)<br />
[16:56:22] * h01ger nods what edrz said. when will they become available? we will need them asap during debcamp...<br />
[16:56:26] &lt;Q_&gt; I would like to see a clear list with what we need, want, what we'll get from where, and what's still missing.<br />
[16:56:33] &lt;des&gt; I think the third stream is hard to setup since bof's would probably be here and there<br />
[16:56:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; Q_, would you be willing to make such a list?<br />
[16:56:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; the bits and pieces are out there..<br />
[16:56:46] &lt;dererk&gt; edrz, I appologise as they are in spanish, but you'll find the list here http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf8/Hardware<br />
[16:57:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; dererk, there are no dates..<br />
[16:57:32] &lt;des&gt; most of the hardware have a "Disponibilidad: Toda la Debconf"<br />
[16:57:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, there will not be dedicated bofs room?<br />
[16:57:41] &lt;des&gt; which translates to "Availability: The whole debconf"<br />
[16:57:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, toda la debconf o toda la debcamp y debconf? ;)<br />
[16:57:53] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger, they are under "Disponibilidad" field<br />
[16:57:54] &lt;edrz&gt; dererk: yeah, i can sort of follow most of it from context ...<br />
[16:57:59] &lt;dererk&gt; Disponibilidad == Availability <br />
[16:58:28] &lt;dererk&gt; "Toda la debconf" == "All debconf";  "Vie" == "Friday" :)<br />
[16:58:30] &lt;Q_&gt; And the earliest day things are available would be nice too, so that we know if we can already use them during debcamp.<br />
[16:58:32] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: maybe a small one (10 persons at much) but given the facilities I doubt it would be used<br />
[16:58:52] &lt;des&gt; (it's really tiny and kind of ugly in comparison with other places to lay down and have a bof)<br />
[16:58:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; Q_, yes yes yes. can you do such a list? (on the wiki i'd suggest)<br />
[16:59:00] &lt;Q_&gt; h01ger: I'll try to make the list.<br />
[16:59:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; Q_, merci bien!<br />
[16:59:15] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger, I appologise for it being in spanish, but I helped offering people to fill their hardware<br />
[16:59:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; dererk, espanol es mui fino, pero^wbut does the whole debconf include debcamp?<br />
[16:59:50] &lt;dererk&gt; Yes<br />
[16:59:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; good<br />
[16:59:54] &lt;edrz&gt; great<br />
[16:59:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; very good :)<br />
[17:00:29] * edrz notices software not on agenda.<br />
[17:00:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; so, i'd say, we are done for this topic now and we will pick up again at the next meeting, based on Qs list?<br />
[17:00:32] * hermanr thought German was the Debconf language of choice :-P<br />
[17:00:47] &lt;edrz&gt; esperanto<br />
[17:00:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; perl?<br />
[17:00:59] &lt;edrz&gt; heh<br />
[17:01:01] &lt;dererk&gt; lol!<br />
[17:01:03] &lt;edrz&gt; no, ruby<br />
[17:01:07] * dererk hates perl >(<br />
[17:01:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action Q will try to come up with a list of hardware (all kinds) and when it will be available<br />
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[17:01:20] &lt;hermanr&gt; What's "ordnung muss zein" in Ruby?<br />
[17:01:26] &lt;dererk&gt; I know, and now you hate me :P<br />
[17:01:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; (s/zein/sein/)<br />
[17:01:54] &lt;edrz&gt; him, was an #action logged for dererk/des regarding the cameras/etc?<br />
[17:02:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, check yourself: http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/debconf-video.20080618_1605.html<br />
[17:02:24] &lt;p2-mate&gt; hermanr: finnish is obviously the Debconf language of choice !<br />
[17:02:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, i've added software to the agenda for the next meeting, ok?<br />
[17:02:41] * h01ger wants to finish this under two hours today :-/ :)<br />
[17:02:55] &lt;edrz&gt; h01ger: ok<br />
[17:02:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; next topic?<br />
[17:04:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; actually i think we covered this... we will try^wget in with tourist gear<br />
[17:04:24] &lt;des&gt; yeap<br />
[17:04:33] &lt;edrz&gt; much simplified with cameras already being in .ar. :)<br />
[17:05:00] &lt;h01ger&gt; i still would love special videoteam tshirts, as opposed to normal volunteer tshirts :)<br />
[17:05:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; that needs three things: a.) a design b.) someone to print and prepay c.) a way to pay them<br />
[17:05:41] &lt;edrz&gt; would help with frantic -team members not trying to pull away -video volunteers for general volunteer work. ;)<br />
[17:05:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; or maybe i should drop the idea..<br />
[17:05:45] &lt;des&gt; I think the most that the localteam would agree is changing the 'volunteer' for 'video team'<br />
[17:05:49] &lt;des&gt; or something like that<br />
[17:06:00] * h01ger thinks that would be perfectly fine<br />
[17:06:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; des, when is the next localteam meeting?<br />
[17:06:59] &lt;des&gt; how many?<br />
[17:07:19] &lt;des&gt; every monday 10ART(UTC-3)<br />
[17:07:30] * dererk waves around and faces back to his studies<br />
[17:07:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; 15-20, i'd say. 6 from here, plus up 12 volunteers, plus random helpers<br />
[17:07:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; dererk, gracias for showing by and enjoy! :)<br />
[17:08:11] &lt;edrz&gt; hmm... probably single t-shirt per person gets stinky by day 2 ..<br />
[17:08:14] &lt;des&gt; ok, I'll mention 20, and we'll see<br />
[17:08:14] &lt;dererk&gt; h01ger, my pleasure<br />
[17:08:25] * edrz waves to dererk <br />
[17:08:39] &lt;des&gt; edrz: yeah, but we can't really afford more<br />
[17:08:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, lol. not to wear them every day during debconf...<br />
[17:09:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; though at lca07 they expected that from the volunteers :))<br />
[17:09:18] &lt;edrz&gt; des: understood. <br />
[17:09:32] &lt;edrz&gt; h01ger: i was thinking of LCA ...<br />
[17:09:46] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, is there anything already in svn? i think it is, but cant remember for sure...<br />
[17:09:47] &lt;edrz&gt; they were used more as uniforms in .au<br />
[17:09:55] &lt;edrz&gt; but, yeah, nm.<br />
[17:10:01] &lt;hermanr&gt; h01ger: The abstract and the summary<br />
[17:10:15] &lt;LarstiQ&gt; is it cold enough to wear the debconf shirt over regular clothing?<br />
[17:10:22] &lt;hermanr&gt; (we've passed one hour, btw)<br />
[17:10:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, great. maybe you can mail it to the list, so people will actually read it? ;)<br />
[17:10:39] &lt;des&gt; LarstiQ: probably, yes<br />
[17:10:55] &lt;edrz&gt; hermanr: were is svn.<br />
[17:11:08] &lt;hermanr&gt; h01ger: Isn't it accessible through a public URL? (like viewSVN, or some such)<br />
[17:11:09] &lt;edrz&gt; hermanr: and > 1 hour ACK.<br />
[17:11:19] &lt;des&gt; svn.debian.org/svn/debconf-video<br />
[17:11:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, yes, it is. but if you shove it in peoples inbox, its more likely they'll read it<br />
[17:11:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link svn://svn.debian.org/svn/debconf-video<br />
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[17:11:49] &lt;des&gt; http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debconf-video<br />
[17:11:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, ?<br />
[17:12:08] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: those are picked up automagically<br />
[17:12:10] &lt;hermanr&gt; h01ger: Can do this week-end.  If it's urgent, Someone Else must do it.<br />
[17:12:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; ah. one hour aim. i didnt expect us to make this, to long since the last meeting..<br />
[17:12:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; ok, i'll mail it then<br />
[17:12:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; np<br />
[17:12:51] &lt;des&gt; yeap, we should probably meet more often<br />
[17:12:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; mailing it is the easy thing anyway :)<br />
[17:13:40] &lt;hermanr&gt; I have some bit-fiddling in C to do, while my brain is still working well.<br />
[17:13:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; hui. thats quite good already.. (the outline+abstract)<br />
[17:14:00] &lt;hermanr&gt; Thanks.<br />
[17:14:19] &lt;hermanr&gt; What's needed is some nice pix and diagrams for the proceedings.<br />
[17:14:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; yup<br />
[17:14:34] &lt;hermanr&gt; I hope I'll be granted one week vacation next week.<br />
[17:14:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; and the talk will be held by edrz, hermanr and me in person?<br />
[17:14:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; (others welcome, of course)<br />
[17:14:57] &lt;hermanr&gt; That was the idea.<br />
[17:15:05] &lt;hermanr&gt; Live demo is highly desireable.<br />
[17:15:14] &lt;hermanr&gt; Uh, required.<br />
[17:15:21] &lt;hermanr&gt; As it is in the abstract, IIRC.<br />
[17:15:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; :)<br />
[17:15:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; well, the whole conf will be the live demo, i assume<br />
[17:15:50] &lt;edrz&gt; video team records and demos video team demo<br />
[17:15:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; so that should be easy to show<br />
[17:16:05] &lt;hermanr&gt; edrz: With infinite recursion.<br />
[17:16:09] &lt;edrz&gt; :)<br />
[17:16:21] &lt;hermanr&gt; Stack overflow and all.<br />
[17:16:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; next topic?<br />
[17:16:33] &lt;edrz&gt; yup<br />
[17:16:46] &lt;hermanr&gt; Which ones are left?<br />
[17:17:00] &lt;h01ger&gt; and finding a date+time for the next meeting...<br />
[17:17:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats left<br />
[17:17:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; i dont know of any other business atm..<br />
[17:17:31] * hermanr goes off programming C.  /msg me to get my attention<br />
[17:17:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; execpt, WombleToo, dvswitch in svn.. did you do anything since fosdem?<br />
[17:17:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; (though we have software on the agenda for next week..)<br />
[17:17:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; s/week/meeting/<br />
[17:18:07] &lt;edrz&gt; next week's meeting?<br />
[17:18:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; (though we have software on the agenda for next meeting..)<br />
[17:18:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'm not sure if next week or in two is better..<br />
[17:18:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; next point? ;) (which is next meeting..)<br />
[17:19:31] &lt;edrz&gt; many of us are leaving for .ar in 6 weeks.<br />
[17:19:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 4. next meeting - when <br />
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[17:20:09] &lt;edrz&gt; i guess i would like it if we could meet weekly.<br />
[17:20:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'm fine with weekly meetings, if a.) we make them under one hour and b.) i chair less then 100% of them ;)<br />
[17:20:40] &lt;des&gt; anything is ok for me, but we are more or less in a monthly schedule and meetings are starting to get too long<br />
[17:21:03] &lt;edrz&gt; more frequent meetings will be shorter, no doubt.<br />
[17:21:12] &lt;des&gt; h01ger: IME with localteam weekly meetings helped with both a) AND b)<br />
[17:21:13] &lt;edrz&gt; probably we could keep them under 45 minutes.<br />
[17:21:39] * h01ger liked 16 UTC actually<br />
[17:21:51] &lt;edrz&gt; 16 worked well form me as well.<br />
[17:21:55] &lt;edrz&gt; *for<br />
[17:22:02] &lt;des&gt; I'd move it off 1h<br />
[17:22:11] &lt;edrz&gt; 17utc?<br />
[17:22:17] &lt;des&gt; don't care if earlier or latter actually<br />
[17:22:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; WombleToo, will you have some time next week at 16/17 UTCish? (to discuss the software side..)<br />
[17:22:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; so next wednesday, 17 UTC?<br />
[17:22:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; arg<br />
[17:22:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; a moment<br />
[17:22:45] &lt;des&gt; just that 16UTC is 13here, and I'm suppouse to be eating by now<br />
[17:23:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'll have a RL meeting next wednesday at 17 UTC.<br />
[17:23:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; so next week i would favor 16 UTC or another day<br />
[17:23:43] &lt;des&gt; I guess 16 is acceptable<br />
[17:24:07] &lt;xerakko&gt; Write it in channel message, please it<br />
[17:24:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; so lets go for next wednesday, 17 UTC, and if someone complains on the list, we can still change it...<br />
[17:24:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; xerakko, will do<br />
[17:24:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed next meeting: next wednesday, 17 UTC, and if someone complains on the list, we can still change it...<br />
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[17:24:44] &lt;edrz&gt; h01ger: you mean 16utc?<br />
[17:24:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; dada<br />
[17:24:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed next meeting: next wednesday, 16 UTC, and if someone complains on the list, we can still change it...<br />
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[17:24:59] * h01ger is tired<br />
[17:25:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; already<br />
[17:25:06] * hermanr too<br />
[17:25:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; 90min is too long<br />
[17:25:11] &lt;edrz&gt; ok<br />
[17:25:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; edrz, thanks<br />
[17:25:22] &lt;des&gt; yeap<br />
[17:25:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; cheerio! we're done!<br />
[17:25:32] &lt;des&gt; end it<br />
[17:25:36] &lt;hermanr&gt; h01ger, edrz: The talk is kind of a sub-topic.  I'd like to coordinate that on the side, not in the middle of team meetings.<br />
[17:25:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; thank you all!<br />
[17:25:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; hermanr, great. on the mailinglist?!<br />
[17:26:00] &lt;hermanr&gt; h01ger: Yes.<br />
[17:26:11] &lt;hermanr&gt; h01ger: And on IRC, later.<br />
[17:26:12] &lt;edrz&gt; hermanr: agreed, i was going to say the same<br />
[17:26:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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