19:59:39 <edrz> #startmeeting 19:59:39 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue May 11 19:59:39 2010 UTC. The chair is edrz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:59:39 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:59:59 <edrz> http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Videoteam/Meetings 20:00:02 <edrz> has the agenda 20:00:15 <edrz> everyone say "hi" or something if you're here 20:00:19 <vicm3> hi 20:00:28 * MrBeige adding things to agenda (stuff I can use for venue stuff) 20:00:44 <hermanr> hi 20:00:47 * p2-mate lurks 20:00:54 <edrz> #topic computer hardware needed for videoteam 20:01:10 <edrz> so. we plan on doing 2 rooms as usual. 20:01:12 * jeremyb is half here 20:01:44 <karora> Howdy :-) 20:02:13 <h01ger> hola 20:02:23 <bwh^> hi 20:02:47 * karora has to head off in a little while to take the kids to school, but I expect there's not too much I can contribute to the discussion really. 20:02:48 <edrz> we'll need 2 machines that can handle dvswitch, 2 additional grabbing machines, a large file storage machine, and stream encoders. at a minimum 20:03:11 <edrz> anything else I'm missing in that list? 20:03:17 <h01ger> how many cams do you plan? 20:03:30 <hermanr> FWIW: LAC2010 used _three_ out-of-spec very long DV cables. Only one of four DV sources had a normal length firewire. 20:03:31 <h01ger> i'd suggest to try to get one computer per dv source 20:03:31 <edrz> 2 per rrom 20:03:33 <edrz> room 20:03:48 <edrz> hermanr: interesting. 20:04:09 <hermanr> One of them had a repeater. 20:04:28 <edrz> would be best if we can test them all in advance with the particular machines, firewire cards, cables and cams. 20:04:41 <p2-mate> hermanr: did you decide that before or after tyou want to the coffeeshop ?:P 20:05:05 <hermanr> If there are extra "nice to have" cameras, used for unmanned wide shots, a longish cable would be acceptable. 20:05:05 <jeremyb> edrz: what equipment do we already have? 20:05:40 <bwh^> I have a Lindy firewire repeater which worked nicely at DC9 20:06:30 <edrz> jeremyb: we own several audio mixers, vga-dv converters, wireless handheld and headset mics, and wired condenser mics. 20:06:41 <edrz> and various cables. 20:06:52 <hermanr> p2-mate: We had a hardware DV mixer, which made the longish DV cables the most practical solution. 20:06:58 <edrz> we do not own cameras, tripods or PCs/laptops. 20:07:36 <h01ger> edrz, maybe be can borrow pcs from (#)debian-nyc? 20:07:43 <bwh^> Actually I think there are 1 or 2 tripods that belong to Debian 20:07:52 <edrz> much of the videoteam gear is already in the US with Hydroxide (and hopefully with me by the end of the week) 20:07:57 <edrz> h01ger: yes. 20:07:59 <edrz> ideally. 20:08:11 * hermanr reiterates his statement about the important of really good tripod heads 20:08:19 <hermanr> importance* 20:08:39 * jeremyb was thinking about computers 20:08:44 <edrz> everyone can feel free to liberally use the #info, #idea, #link, etc meetbot commands 20:08:51 <h01ger> edrz, are you setting up wiki pages to track all this? a diagram is also really useful :) 20:09:07 <bwh^> I have one good and one OK tripod that I can lend, if anyone going over there has the luggage space 20:09:14 <edrz> jeremyb: we own no computers and will need to borrow them from various people. 20:09:29 <edrz> h01ger: yes, i've mostly copied wiki pages from last year. 20:09:38 * h01ger nods 20:09:39 <h01ger> cool 20:09:39 <edrz> and will get the hardware page in shape RSN 20:09:46 <edrz> http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Videoteam 20:09:52 <h01ger> #info http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DSA/non-DSA-HW lists our audio & video gear 20:10:00 <hermanr> Any thoughts on intercom from the video mixer to the camera ops? 20:10:23 <h01ger> bwh^, maybe you can ask sledge / debian-uk crowd? 20:10:24 <edrz> would be nice, but not a priority, imho 20:10:35 <edrz> #topic audio hw 20:10:56 <edrz> Q_: has the other set of gear that was left in europe for fosdem use. 20:11:19 <edrz> he is supposed to be sending to berlin for the mini-debconf, but hasn't responded to pings here about the lately. 20:11:26 <edrz> has anyone been in touch with him? 20:11:38 * h01ger sends mail to Q_ now 20:11:51 <vicm3> #help 20:12:23 <edrz> vicm3: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 20:12:48 <edrz> as for the venue, I think we will probably need to rent at least 1 PA system. 20:13:09 <edrz> but, should be able to cover the rest of the audio needs with our own gear. 20:13:12 <h01ger> are there maps of the venue already? 20:13:17 <edrz> h01ger: yes 20:13:24 <h01ger> cool 20:13:27 <h01ger> url? 20:13:29 <edrz> of the campus, but not the inside of the rooms 20:13:32 <h01ger> ah 20:13:37 <h01ger> booring :) 20:13:50 <MrBeige> I scratched stuff on some paper I could scan 20:14:09 <edrz> link: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Resources 20:14:22 <h01ger> thx 20:14:44 <edrz> assuming I make it up to NYC for the localteam meeting thursday evening + we can get into the rooms, I'll bring a tape measure. 20:15:07 <edrz> i also have pictures of the rooms, but need to find them. 20:15:15 <edrz> MrBeige might also have some pics 20:15:22 <h01ger> http://rkd.zgib.net/http/hidden/dc10map.pdf uses meters \o/ ;) 20:15:45 <edrz> #action edrz will find his venue pictures and make room drawings RSN. 20:16:00 <edrz> #topic budget 20:16:08 <MrBeige> overall layout: rkd2.zgib.net/hidden/dc10map.pdf 20:16:13 <edrz> do we have any money? 20:16:22 <MrBeige> (oops, that's what h01ger had) 20:16:43 <h01ger> edrz, how much do we need? 20:17:10 <h01ger> i guess if we have a reasonable budget, we'll get that granted (either from dc10 or debian) 20:17:22 <edrz> so, Davis auditorium and interschool lab are the 2 main rooms. 20:17:50 <edrz> h01ger: good question. what did we use last year? 20:18:19 <h01ger> edrz, interschool lab, is that clic lab ? 20:18:24 <edrz> no 20:18:38 <edrz> 7th floor, same building as Davis Auditorium 20:18:57 <h01ger> edrz, 2000e ish. we rented the PA, air-condition, bought cable and paid shipping after dc9 20:19:28 <h01ger> what floor is davis auditorium? 20:19:29 <edrz> ok. I'll need to look into PA rental costs. 20:19:38 <p2-mate> so the map is incomplete ? 20:19:41 <edrz> it is the entrance level 20:19:52 <edrz> the campus is several levels up from the street 20:20:21 <edrz> so I think that is actually the 3rd or 4th floor of the building, but "ground level" from the perspective of where most people will enter 20:20:29 <p2-mate> h01ger: last year the PA was part of the building no ? Or did we pay for it seperatly ? 20:20:30 <jeremyb> PA? 20:20:39 <edrz> public address 20:20:46 <MrBeige> yes, map is just the relevant rooms and buildings among many 20:20:58 * jeremyb is surprised that's not included 20:21:00 <edrz> the speakers at the front of the room to make the presenters audible to the audience. 20:21:25 <edrz> jeremyb: there are things in both rooms, but their quality and state of function is in question. 20:21:28 <vicm3> #info need better maps of venue 20:21:35 <CarlFK> edrz: how many attendees per room, or how powerfull amp/speakers do you expect ? 20:22:03 <edrz> davis holds about 200, i think. 20:22:16 <edrz> and interschool maybe half that. (very roughly speaking). 20:22:27 <h01ger> p2-mate, we paid seperatly for some parts iirc 20:22:56 <h01ger> edrz, ok, so the floor distance is managable by walking :) 20:23:01 <edrz> #action edrz needs to obtain better info on venue capacity, room size, PAs 20:23:18 <edrz> h01ger: between the 2 talk rooms? 20:23:27 <edrz> actually, there are no stairs that go up. 20:23:31 <MrBeige> I sketches with dimensions 20:23:40 <edrz> elevators must be used. 20:23:43 <h01ger> edrz, hah 20:24:05 <p2-mate> euh ? there must be stairs for emergency use no ? 20:24:12 <MrBeige> (note: dc10map.pdf is to scale, note the "10 meters" bar 20:24:13 <edrz> yeah. going down. 20:24:18 <edrz> no one goes up during a fire. 20:24:26 <edrz> anyway. 20:24:29 <MrBeige> (and exits alarmed if you go out) 20:25:08 <hermanr> How do elevators elevate 200 people at one time? FAIL? 20:25:10 <edrz> #info about 2000 euros was spent last year. 20:25:38 <edrz> nothing else really on budget at this time. 20:25:41 <edrz> #topic penta 20:25:51 <edrz> did it work well enough last year? 20:26:09 <edrz> what permissions do I need to be sure to request for v-t people? 20:26:30 <p2-mate> hermanr: it's a huge elevator :) 20:26:37 <edrz> as far as I know, we are using the same version + debconf patches as last year. 20:26:59 <MrBeige> hermanr: and, there are four (plus one large freight elevator) 20:27:00 <h01ger> edrz, i'm happy to click permission bits again this year :) (but i think you should be able to do so too) 20:27:31 <edrz> i have a few notes somewhere about minor workflow additions bwh^ would like for the review process. 20:27:47 <h01ger> regarding how well the workflow went, bwh can probably better comment 20:27:48 <edrz> h01ger: please say so to Ganneff or other admins@ 20:27:58 * h01ger is admin 20:28:03 <edrz> yah 20:28:08 <bwh^> If there is a dev version I can work on, I will try to find time to do that 20:28:30 <edrz> bwh^: yes. cletus.debconf.org, i believe, has the same code running 20:28:31 <h01ger> edrz, last year we lost the backup of the streams as it was made ad-hoc and someone didnt knew about it and "cleaned it up" 20:28:47 <edrz> with a sanitized/annonymized database copy. 20:29:00 <edrz> h01ger: backups? 20:29:09 <h01ger> edrz, the live stream we streamed 20:29:10 <p2-mate> we didn't have enough tapes 20:29:11 <edrz> meaning stream encodings captured? 20:29:13 <edrz> ok 20:29:16 <h01ger> someone dumped it, as a bacjup 20:29:25 <edrz> i am intending to have a complete settup running and tested here 20:29:30 <h01ger> and someone else deleted it, after dc9, before we arrived home... 20:29:41 <edrz> as well as workflow documented before we start 20:29:52 * h01ger cheers edrz 20:30:01 <edrz> we also have much more bandwidth from the venue than we usually do, 20:30:15 <hermanr> SD streams, finally? 20:30:18 <edrz> so i have the idea that we might be able to send the DV offsite during the conf. 20:30:20 <h01ger> bwh^, if you need access to cletus etc, ask Hydroxide 20:30:27 <h01ger> edrz, nice 20:30:46 <p2-mate> hermanr: :) 20:30:49 <edrz> assuming we have other ends with sufficient connection + storage to receive them. 20:31:12 <edrz> anything more on penta at this point? 20:31:23 <edrz> #info cletus is the dev/testing penta instance 20:31:44 <edrz> #info ask admins or -team for access if needed. 20:31:56 <edrz> #topic streaming setup. 20:32:07 <edrz> i also want this up and tested well before the conf. 20:32:12 <edrz> for a number of reasons. 20:32:15 <h01ger> edrz, you are "video-admin" in penta now 20:32:18 <edrz> berlin mini-conf can use it. 20:32:25 <h01ger> neat! 20:32:25 <edrz> h01ger: thank you. 20:32:40 * h01ger bows to edrz 20:32:57 * h01ger will be in berlin 20:32:58 <edrz> also, from a pkg-multimedia-maint perspective it would be good to have clients well tested before squeeze goes out. 20:33:08 <edrz> and also for our viewers, of course. 20:33:25 <edrz> h01ger: save your bows for when I've done more than just expresss my aspirations. 20:34:00 <edrz> main thing I need to know is do I just talk to -admin about the streaming servers? 20:34:23 <h01ger> edrz, basically yes. 20:34:28 <edrz> good, good. 20:34:32 <h01ger> on some hosts, icecast is still set up 20:34:39 <h01ger> so you just need to adapt the configs 20:34:46 <edrz> right. 20:34:47 <edrz> good. 20:34:52 <h01ger> or provide -admin with copies 20:35:18 <h01ger> is Ganneff aware of streaming of mini-debconf-berlin? i think he will be there - huhu Ganneff :) 20:35:21 <edrz> they will be in svn and I'll just tell them "pull that" 20:35:30 <edrz> Ganneff: ^^ 20:35:46 <edrz> ok. next topic. 20:36:05 <edrz> #venue stuff: stream dump, etc. 20:36:10 <edrz> #topic venue stuff: stream dump, etc. 20:36:51 <edrz> 100mbit will suffice for the live streams during the talks. but gigabit would be nice to speed up transfers during breaks & over night 20:37:28 <MrBeige> so the plan isn't hand-carrying over again? 20:37:37 <edrz> hand carrying? 20:37:42 <edrz> when did that occur? 20:37:53 <bwh^> DC6 I think 20:37:58 <edrz> pycon has done it that way. 20:38:06 <bwh^> yes 20:38:07 <MrBeige> I though I heard that somewhere they moved hard drives by hand... maybe dc9? anyway, agreed it's not ideal 20:38:12 <edrz> because they've used venues without wired lan access. 20:38:24 <bwh^> MrBeige: Not since DC6 AFAIK 20:38:45 <edrz> MrBeige: pycon definitely does that. 20:38:53 <edrz> we really want network. 20:38:56 <edrz> imoho 20:38:59 <edrz> grr 20:39:00 <MrBeige> exact details don't matter here, the rooms will have net 20:39:01 <edrz> imho 20:39:05 <edrz> right 20:39:06 <edrz> good 20:39:23 <edrz> #topic venue stuff: # Number of servers to be hosted/space needed 20:39:51 <MrBeige> I guess we can also ask, how much can we piggyback off what's already here 20:40:00 <MrBeige> if we could get debian-running machines loaned 20:40:11 <edrz> dc8 data I brought home amounted to 800G for DV and archival quality ogvs. 20:40:47 <edrz> we need a file server, 1 or more encoding machines and an icecast server. 20:40:58 <edrz> at minimum. 20:41:25 <MrBeige> probably best to do is to make a list of machines / services needed, we can email it to groups around here and people can offer what they have 20:41:32 <edrz> it's best if we can have full control of machines as it's helpful to control all videoteam machines' configs via FAI. 20:41:43 <jeremyb> fai? 20:41:54 <hermanr> Re: intercom: Using PCs as dvsources, no extra hardware, except headphones is needed. 20:41:56 <bwh^> Fully Automatic Installer 20:42:01 <edrz> #action edrz will make list of machines needed, check it with v-t and get it to MrBeige 20:42:13 <MrBeige> I wouldn't be surprised if some group would say "oh, here's our rack, take A and B and C machines, reinstall, and have fun" 20:42:24 <edrz> that would be awesome. 20:42:27 <bwh^> FAI really needs some expert to configure it 20:43:00 <edrz> h01ger will be around, and I'll try to become enough familiar with it before then. 20:43:07 <bwh^> good 20:43:08 <edrz> if I'm not, then we can live with out it. 20:43:35 <edrz> next item we've already basically covered. 20:43:59 <edrz> #topic venue stuff: Links to any easy-to-read lists that can be given to various columbia tech people (setup needed, room requirements, ...) 20:44:17 * h01ger thinks about creating fai usbsticks for berlin... 20:44:31 <MrBeige> this is basicalyl what I said before: stuff that we can show people and say "here's what we are planning, can you offer anything?" 20:44:36 * h01ger suggests to create one pdf for them ;) 20:44:46 <h01ger> or one wikipage 20:45:15 <edrz> i thought we had a "venue needs" videoteam page in the wiki .. but can't find it at the moment. 20:45:30 <MrBeige> I have a pretty good idea of what is needed, but I don't know what all people have around here... 20:45:39 <edrz> #action venue needs wiki page or pdf for CU tech people needs to be generated or found. 20:46:21 <edrz> #topic venue stuff: What you'll have, at the least: plenty of power, ethernet 100Mbit for live steaming, space for control booth, cameras, etc 20:47:03 <MrBeige> this just lists the minimum a room should have to be considered acceptable for the video team use 20:47:14 * jeremyb wonders why that was #topic 20:47:30 <edrz> i don't know. it's in the agenda 20:47:35 <MrBeige> if there's nothing else to add, we can move on... 20:47:36 <bwh^> MrBeige: coffee on tap 20:47:46 <edrz> anything more on venue stuff for this meeting? 20:47:51 <MrBeige> (I just was dumping stuff in the agenda in a hurry) 20:47:57 <edrz> MrBeige: no worries. 20:48:00 <MrBeige> if not, you all know how to find me... 20:48:01 <p2-mate> s/coffee/club-mate/ 20:48:04 <edrz> i'm glad you came. :) 20:48:05 <bwh^> MrBeige: and beer in the evening 20:48:32 <MrBeige> what about "making a video team workshop for columbia peolpe to get them interested" ? 20:48:33 <edrz> stimulate/sedate/stimulate/sedate/stimulate/sedate 20:48:44 <edrz> #topic any other business 20:48:54 <CarlFK1> I have arrived at venues with sound systems to find out that there was no way to hook into it 20:48:55 <h01ger> next meeting? 20:49:10 <edrz> h01ger: hold on. that's the next item. ;) 20:49:19 <MrBeige> h01ger had some slides to use as a starting point for video team workshops/hook email for CU people 20:49:26 <CarlFK> like a wireless mic and no access to the receiver / amp 20:49:32 <edrz> what MrBeige said is something i've been wanting to do ... 20:50:09 <edrz> CarlFK: yeah. i hope to make 1 or 2 more trips up to NYC before the event an get into the rooms and check that stuff. 20:50:16 <p2-mate> yeah, pictures of availabe equipment are useful 20:50:31 <edrz> we also have a full week of DebCamp prior to the conf to set up. 20:50:32 <edrz> and test 20:50:35 <edrz> on site. 20:50:54 <edrz> p2-mate: there are some in my previously mentioned to be located pictures 20:51:00 <CarlFK> oh yeah, projectors hung in the ceiling - how/where do you all hook up the twinpact? 20:51:09 <bwh^> edrz: though that week goes quickly 20:51:18 <p2-mate> indeed 20:51:19 <edrz> there is a lecture station at the front of each room 20:51:30 <edrz> the projector vga cable is accessible there. 20:51:37 <p2-mate> CarlFK: there is a VGA input smewhere at a desk ? 20:51:46 <MrBeige> note: an event is using the main auditorium two days early in the week of DebCamp 20:52:01 <edrz> MrBeige: monday-tuesday-ish? 20:52:10 <MrBeige> something like that, maybe tuesday-wednesday 20:52:13 <edrz> ok 20:52:18 <edrz> good to know 20:52:19 <CarlFK> so that gets signal to the twinpact - how do you get that to dvswitch box? 20:52:30 <MrBeige> but we'll get access before for checking out in advance or in the evenings, I'm sure 20:52:42 <edrz> some machine near that with ethernet to to the dvswitch-er 20:52:49 <edrz> MrBeige: yup 20:52:55 <edrz> any other business? 20:53:00 <CarlFK> good answer :) 20:53:16 <CarlFK> was affraid of the 75m firewire cable 20:53:19 <edrz> (what made me think a meeting could be done in 30 minutes. ;) 20:53:37 <edrz> ok 20:53:44 <edrz> #topic next meeting 20:54:10 <edrz> it's always tough to ask the people who couldn't be here if this is a good time & day of the week. 20:54:27 <edrz> i guess another doodle poll can't hurt. 20:54:32 <edrz> any thoughts on time frame? 20:54:41 <edrz> 3 weeks perhaps? 20:55:22 * h01ger nods 20:56:01 <edrz> #action edrz will create a doodle poll for some days & times in the week of June 1st 20:56:06 <edrz> #endmeeting