12:02:06 <pollo_> #startmeeting 12:02:06 <MeetBot> Meeting started Sat May 7 12:02:06 2016 UTC. The chair is pollo_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:02:06 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 12:02:25 <pollo_> #info proposed agenda: https://pad.riseup.net/p/videoteam-dc16 12:02:40 <pollo_> I have switched the order of the topics for wouter 12:03:11 <pollo_> anything else we should discuss? 12:03:20 <tumbleweed> hardware hire 12:03:27 <tumbleweed> the broken opsis board 12:03:39 <wouter> tumbleweed: highvoltage was going to look into rental, I think? 12:03:39 <pollo_> --- Renting vs shipping --- == hardwire hire? 12:03:50 <tumbleweed> yep 12:04:23 <tumbleweed> also, paddatrapper seemed like he may be able to dig in a bit 12:04:25 <wouter> so, what's broken about the opsis board? 12:04:42 <pollo_> let's stick to the agenda please 12:05:14 <tumbleweed> :) 12:05:14 <wouter> RattusRattus said on the list that he won't be here 12:05:37 <pollo_> #topic Final Hardware review - Opsis boards 12:05:53 <pollo_> :D so what's the matter with the boards 12:06:40 <pollo_> (if anybody wants to co-chair, just tell me what the command is :D) 12:06:49 <tumbleweed> #chair is the command 12:06:56 <tumbleweed> https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot 12:07:10 <pollo_> it's not documented 12:07:12 <pollo_> anyway 12:07:13 <tumbleweed> one of the boards' fx2 (the usb controller) is misbehaving 12:07:15 <tumbleweed> it i sdocumented 12:07:22 <tumbleweed> oh, maybe not :P 12:07:33 <wouter> do we have a spare one? 12:07:38 <tumbleweed> http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#commands 12:07:42 <tumbleweed> wouter: no spare 12:07:52 <tumbleweed> so, we need to do some debugging, and maybe we can get it working 12:07:53 <wouter> let's just make sure we bring one twinpact then? 12:07:58 <wouter> as a fallback 12:08:01 <pollo_> or all of them 12:08:02 <tumbleweed> I do have an atlys as a fallback 12:08:12 <wouter> or that 12:08:14 <tumbleweed> but after that it has to be twinpacts, yes 12:08:29 <wouter> I can easily bring one or two twinpacts in checked luggage 12:08:32 <pollo_> does this means we have 3 opsis boards, 2 in working state? 12:08:37 <tumbleweed> yes 12:08:43 <wouter> I'll do so regardless, so that whatever happens we'll have screen capture 12:08:56 <pollo_> #action wouter to bring twinpacts in checked luggage 12:09:01 <wouter> not that I *want* to use them, but it's the "known good" stuff 12:09:25 <pollo_> #info one of the three opsis board may not work, we may have to fall back on older stuff 12:10:06 <pollo_> just to be sure, we don't need to add twinpacts to the list of stuff to ship from IRILL, right? 12:10:13 <wouter> nope 12:10:18 <wouter> I have FOSDEM-owned twinpacts 12:10:21 <pollo_> next topic? 12:10:26 <wouter> yeah 12:10:38 <pollo_> #topic Final Hardware review - the case of the voctomix room 12:10:58 <pollo_> I kinda whipped up a list based on the stuff on the wiki 12:11:02 <wouter> URL? 12:11:03 <pollo_> we need to confirm it's good 12:11:20 <pollo_> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Videoteam/EquipmentList#Room_3 12:11:35 <pollo_> I was not sure we wanted 2 cameras 12:11:41 <wouter> yeah, we do 12:11:49 <wouter> I think that was a BOF room, right? 12:11:54 <pollo_> it's mixed 12:11:56 <tumbleweed> pollo_: projectors and screens are bolted to the room 12:12:06 <tumbleweed> same goes for PA 12:12:12 <pollo_> wouter: it's the size of a big room 12:12:43 <pollo_> yeah, I was worrying about soudn desk stuff more 12:12:48 <wouter> I think the video part of what you put on the wiki looks good 12:12:57 <wouter> I'm not that well versed in audio though 12:13:39 <pollo_> CarlFK has looked into capture, should we rely on him to do this? 12:13:50 <tumbleweed> err the desktop computer is by the wrong camera 12:14:04 <tumbleweed> and of course we need a machine by the other camera too 12:14:17 <wouter> ah, yes, good point 12:14:17 <tumbleweed> I guess both desktops if SDI... 12:14:37 <pollo_> well, we do have 2 more desktop computers from highvoltage (#5-6) 12:14:59 <pollo_> but I though the "gantry" computer was for the main one 12:15:00 <wouter> tumbleweed: actually 12:15:13 <wouter> there is a "video desk" thing which has the main video capture 12:15:18 <wouter> er, what pollo_ said :) 12:15:27 <tumbleweed> ah, gantry is video desk 12:15:28 <tumbleweed> right 12:15:45 * tumbleweed wonders what that'll do to his chairing ability 12:16:01 <pollo> :D well see 12:16:22 <pollo> else I'll fill out a bug report 12:16:29 <pollo> so yeah, capture 12:17:19 <pollo> is mini-pci an issue? 12:17:51 <tumbleweed> what does that question even mean? 12:18:02 <tumbleweed> you get mini-pci SDI cards? how does that make sense? 12:18:09 <CarlFK> the bm cards come with 2 ... slot things. full size and 1/2 size 12:18:22 <CarlFK> for low profile? desktop cases 12:18:48 <pollo> I meant did we need special hardware to make then work but it seems not 12:19:18 <tumbleweed> do we know if the desktops have full size PCI sockets? 12:19:34 <pollo> #info CarlFK has bought a blackmagic mini-pci capture card and will try it out 12:20:01 <pollo> tumbleweed: I tried to ask highvoltage a few questions a few times this week but got not response 12:20:04 <wouter> pollo: I think you are confusing mini-PCI with half-height PCI 12:20:24 <wouter> the two are not the same thing. mini-PCI is what you putin a laptop for wireless; half-height is wat you put in a low-profile PCI slot 12:20:48 <pollo> wouter: yeah, that's why I was asking. If the capture is half-height all is good 12:20:55 <wouter> yeah 12:20:58 <pollo> I was wondering about mini-PCI cards 12:21:10 <wouter> I don't think we want to deal with mini-PCI in desktops 12:21:17 <CarlFK> shoes on, got keys, got wallet, got phone, got DI box.. im off! wishe me luck! 12:21:44 <pollo> I can try to deal with highvoltage again this week, but please ping him for me too 12:22:13 <pollo> so is this good for this topic? 12:22:23 * wouter thinks so 12:22:38 <pollo> #action pollo will ask highvoltage for more details on the desktops 12:22:43 <tumbleweed> pollo: I presume I'll see him 12:22:50 <tumbleweed> or can prod, at least 12:23:05 <pollo> #topic Final Hardware review - Renting vs shipping 12:23:09 <pollo> damn 12:23:11 <pollo> #chair pollo 12:23:19 <wouter> pollo: go /nick pollo_ first 12:23:32 <pollo_> #action pollo will ask highvoltage for more details on the desktops 12:23:34 <pollo_> #topic Final Hardware review - Renting vs shipping 12:23:40 <pollo_> \0/ 12:23:45 <pollo_> bug report it is then :p 12:23:56 <pollo_> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Videoteam/EquipmentList#Renting_vs_shipping 12:24:03 <pollo_> Please have a look if you did not yet 12:24:31 <pollo_> I'm not sure we will have enough money to rent 2 more cameras :S 12:24:49 <pollo_> 900€ seems little for this 12:25:21 <pollo_> -- cameras and capture 12:25:37 <wouter> we're shipping four DV cameras from IRILL. Do I understand correctly that we've already rented two in cape town? 12:26:05 <pollo_> we haven't since I can't reach highvoltage 12:26:05 <tumbleweed> pollo_: then we must shave the audio quote down 12:26:05 <pollo_> I do think we should rent everything from the same place 12:26:12 <tumbleweed> wouter: I'm not aware of us renting anythnig yet 12:26:15 <pollo_> and wanted to know what cameras they had 12:26:31 <wouter> okay, I misunderstood that then 12:26:45 <pollo_> tumbleweed: agreed. We could shave of 2 mixers since we have them at IRILL 12:26:59 <wouter> 900 is indeed a bit on the low side to rent a camera with a good lens 12:27:24 <tumbleweed> buget can also be bumped if necessary 12:27:35 <wouter> (need to go in about two minutes fwiw) 12:28:25 <pollo_> the thing is i'M not sure we will be able to lower the price by much since we are getting a good deal 12:28:54 <pollo_> to be safe we could ask for 1000€ more. What do you think? 12:29:33 <wouter> dunno. We should shop around, see what we can get, and add a few hundred for emergencies and batteries etc 12:29:38 <wouter> and ask for that as a budget 12:30:30 <tumbleweed> let's get some quotes to compare 12:30:40 <pollo_> #info we may be short on budget but will wait a little before asking more to see if something can be done to lower our costs 12:30:41 <tumbleweed> and negotiate against each other 12:30:59 * wouter needs to go now 12:31:04 <pollo_> \0 12:31:09 <wouter> re: vienna: all reviewing is done, everything's live 12:31:12 <pollo_> wouter: thanks for being here! 12:31:19 <wouter> sorry I couldn't stay longer 12:31:43 <pollo_> tumbleweed: I can _try_ to look around on the internet, but it's not the best way to negociate stuff... 12:31:51 <tumbleweed> pollo_: no, we need to get those locally 12:31:59 <pollo_> that's what I meant 12:32:08 <pollo_> in CPT, from Canada :D 12:32:28 <pollo_> the best would be if we could get someone from local team to help^out 12:33:33 <pollo_> you said paddatrapper could maybe help. Is s/he from local? 12:34:10 <tumbleweed> yep 12:35:01 <pollo_> can I action paddatrapper on helping us with renting local stuff? 12:36:09 <pollo_> I also want to give out a final list to olasd since we need to ship ASAP. Is the list on the wiki any good or have I missed anything? 12:36:40 * tumbleweed SMSs highvoltage, just in case he's near a computer and forgot 12:37:01 <pollo_> I'll add the 2 mixers to the shipping list to reduce rental costs 12:37:07 <tumbleweed> well, that list depends on what we hire, yes 12:37:18 <tumbleweed> is it really cheaper to ship a mixer than hire it? 12:37:26 <tumbleweed> IIRC those things cost about $100 to buy outright 12:37:39 <pollo_> I don't know since we don't have the detailled quote 12:37:44 <pollo_> and mixers are quite heavy 12:38:12 <tumbleweed> yeah, the big one is in its own flight case 12:38:35 <pollo_> then I don't know what we can shave off the quote, since we need microphones too 12:38:38 <tumbleweed> I think we need a little more time to explore local options, before shipping 12:38:48 <tumbleweed> (and actually exercise that time) 12:39:30 <pollo_> #action pollo to ask olasd to start working on the temporary import papers 12:40:24 <pollo_> tumbleweed: i agree, but in 2 weeks we need a final list 12:40:32 <tumbleweed> yeah 12:41:40 <pollo_> #action pollo to follow up with paddatrapper for renting local stuff 12:42:01 <pollo_> I was thinking of going with UPS and compare with Fedex just to be sure 12:42:14 <pollo_> any other company I should look into? 12:42:45 <pollo_> I'm not certain we want to go with smallish companies since it might be more trouble than anything 12:42:58 <tumbleweed> yeah, I don't have anything else to suggest 12:43:13 <pollo_> #action pollo to compare UPS and Fedex prices 12:43:20 <pollo_> next topic? 12:43:25 <tumbleweed> DHL maybe 12:43:40 <tumbleweed> but I bet they all cost about the same 12:43:40 <pollo_> #info we should also look into DHL for shipping 12:43:48 <tumbleweed> yep, move on 12:43:50 <pollo_> yeah, pretty competitive market 12:43:57 <pollo_> #topic Follow up on last meeting's actions 12:44:12 <pollo_> we'll I did ask highvoltage a bunch of important quesitons 12:44:23 <pollo_> he told me he'd answer me and I got nothing back :( 12:44:33 <pollo_> wouter did the reviewing bit 12:44:42 <pollo_> that's it for me 12:45:14 <pollo_> tumbleweed: nice job with RattusRattus on the hardware 12:45:29 <pollo_> helps a lot to have a clearer portrait 12:45:39 * tumbleweed had forgotten all about that :P 12:45:56 <pollo_> it _has_ been a while since last meeting 12:46:10 <pollo_> can we move on? 12:46:45 <tumbleweed> yep 12:46:46 <pollo_> #topic Quick summary of Vienna Mini-DC 12:46:55 <pollo_> any troubles worth nothing? 12:46:59 <pollo_> any good stuff we should learn from? 12:47:27 <tumbleweed> it went beatufiully 12:47:33 <tumbleweed> no firewire problems 12:47:39 <pollo_> shit, this is nice 12:47:43 <tumbleweed> had to reboot the opsis once or twice 12:47:48 <tumbleweed> that was it 12:47:54 <pollo_> any idea on why firewire was good? 12:48:03 <pollo_> did you use HP laptops? 12:48:06 <tumbleweed> we think it's more reliable on the HP laptops than the expresscards 12:48:17 <pollo_> good good 12:48:21 <tumbleweed> PCI cards could be too, who knows 12:48:44 <pollo_> #info HP laptops we reliable at Vienna mini-DC 12:48:47 <tumbleweed> only problem we had was feeding audio into the PA system 12:48:59 <tumbleweed> the only way in was a 1/8" jack 12:49:04 <tumbleweed> and the audio quality was just horrible 12:49:08 <pollo_> :( 12:49:14 <tumbleweed> but the room was small enough that we could turn the volume way down 12:49:28 <pollo_> hopefully this won't happen in CPT, the PA seems good 12:49:37 <tumbleweed> well, we could have the same problem... 12:49:50 <tumbleweed> an idea I wanted to try, but didn't have the cables for 12:50:07 <tumbleweed> was to feed from the desk into the mini-XLR (proprietary) connector on a wireless mic pack 12:50:30 <tumbleweed> (to their PA) 12:50:59 <pollo_> because the PA had mini-XLR? 12:51:00 <tumbleweed> so, yeah, more motivation to get into the audio cabinets at UCT 12:51:05 <tumbleweed> the mic pack did 12:51:13 <pollo_> hmm 12:51:24 <tumbleweed> i.e. feed our audio into their system as if its a microphone 12:51:30 <pollo_> anyway, you said you would be in CPT a month before to check this out 12:51:52 <tumbleweed> I was at UCT for a talk last week, and looked around a bit 12:52:25 <pollo_> I seriouly don't know how you can handle this much traveling 12:52:30 <tumbleweed> I get the feeling that with these new fancy lecturns they don't let the presenters have any access to the cambinet with the amplifier in it, any more 12:52:37 * tumbleweed stays in cape town until debconf, now :P 12:52:48 <pollo_> ha, good to know 12:53:30 <pollo_> could you liberate some time and try to see if we can use their PA for real and what the problems will be? 12:53:47 <tumbleweed> but yes, I must go discuss this with them 12:54:02 <pollo_> #action tumbleweed to look into the PAs at UCT 12:54:11 <pollo_> next topîc? 12:54:57 <tumbleweed> yep 12:55:08 <pollo_> #topic Next meeting 12:55:43 <pollo_> I do have to say we have a problem having people to join the meetings 12:56:24 <tumbleweed> saturdays are not great 12:56:25 <pollo_> I think that if highvoltage would have been here it would have help a lot 12:56:31 <tumbleweed> but it's the only day everyone can do :/ 12:56:38 <pollo_> there is sunday too 12:56:48 <tumbleweed> same problems though, likely 12:57:02 <pollo_> thta or friday night 12:57:17 <pollo_> but it seemed more problematic for h01ger 12:57:29 <pollo_> then again he has other stuff to mind 12:58:10 <pollo_> tumbleweed: if you think it's better, I will call the next meeting Friday from 20:00 to 22:00 12:58:13 <pollo_> utc 12:58:29 <tumbleweed> we can ask on the list 12:58:35 <pollo_> yeah 12:58:36 <tumbleweed> I guess we need a meeting next week? 12:58:46 <pollo_> I think it would be nice 12:58:47 <tumbleweed> things need to start happening faster, now 12:59:28 <pollo_> #action pollo to ask for if a meeting Friday 13th from 20:00 to 22:00 UTC would work for everyone 12:59:44 <pollo_> well I think it wraps it up 12:59:49 <h01ger> yeah, ignore me to find a meeting time… :) 13:00:01 <pollo_> tumbleweed: please nudge highvoltage for me! 13:00:33 <pollo_> last chance to say anything before I close...... 13:01:12 <pollo_> #endmeeting