18:00:34 <pollo> #startmeeting 18:00:34 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Sep 15 18:00:34 2020 UTC. The chair is pollo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:00:34 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:00:46 <pollo> #topic Roll Call 18:00:57 <pollo> Please say hi if you are here for the meeting 18:00:57 <paddatrapper> \o 18:01:09 <pollo> #link Agenda: http://deb.li/oNCD 18:01:12 <lenharo> hi 18:01:44 <tobi> \o 18:01:58 <nattie> hola! 18:02:48 <pollo> #topic DC20 Teardown status -- Status of final video publication 18:02:53 <pollo> wouter: you here? 18:03:11 <olasd> (hi, sorry, got distracted) 18:03:13 <pollo> I haven't had time to look at this myself, I don't know if there are still videos in limbo 18:03:30 <olasd> there's definitely videos still in limbo, people keep asking for them on irc and on our mailing list 18:03:51 <pollo> #info There are still videos we haven't reviewed and published yet 18:04:36 <pollo> in theory Sreview still works and all we need to do is to review the missing ones 18:04:54 <pollo> anyone wants to try to sync up with wouter and try to get this done? 18:05:03 <srud> Atleast one I know of.. A Malayalam talk..which gets messed up and that seems to need manual intervention to fix it 18:05:44 <olasd> there is confusion about the status of most videos; tumbleweed started a round of final reviews of the published videos, and then videos got encoded and published again. So we should start that again. 18:06:57 <terceiro> I'm also slacking off to get the videos published in the website 18:07:13 <terceiro> but I'm kind of waiting on the overall status of the videos themselves 18:07:32 <pollo> sadly, I don't think we'll solve this issue during this meeting, as wouter ain't here 18:07:37 <pollo> anything else to add? 18:07:54 <olasd> yes 18:08:08 <olasd> at this point, should we sync the contents of the review machine to vittoria so we can tear down infomaniak infra? 18:08:44 <pollo> wouldn't that make it even harder to get through the last videos? 18:09:00 <pollo> afaiu the setup on the review machine is not regular Sreview and lots of things have been done manually 18:09:05 <olasd> nothing has happened for the last two weeks 18:10:15 <olasd> (and I don't think that's accurate) 18:10:23 <pollo> let's try to fix this before Sunday, if we haven't let's move things to vittoria? 18:10:43 <olasd> but I also won't have time to be looking into it at all 18:10:54 <pollo> I can allocate some time 18:11:05 <olasd> (I'm busy / offline next weekend) 18:11:53 <pollo> anyone against moving the review machine's content to vittoria Sunday if we aren,t done with reviews? 18:12:21 <olasd> I mean, we've been pinged repeatedly to tear down the infra 18:12:29 <olasd> so we should actually get on with it 18:12:40 <pollo> yes, and I've done work towards this 18:12:58 <olasd> sure 18:13:07 <olasd> (#agreed and move on?) 18:13:20 <terceiro> wait 18:13:25 <olasd> we should sync the recordings anyway 18:13:42 <terceiro> I'm concerned that tearding down will slow down finishing even more 18:13:43 <pollo> #agreed we'll try to finish the missing reviews before Sunday. If not, we'll move the recordings to vittoria and shut the infomaniak reviewing box 18:14:18 <pollo> terceiro: that's also my concern, but I agreed with olasd the machines at infomaniak need to be torn down as soon as we can 18:14:26 <terceiro> ack 18:14:44 <pollo> anything else? 18:15:03 <pollo> #topic DC20 Teardown status -- Status of etherpad archival 18:15:13 <pollo> I wrote a python script to do this 18:15:35 <pollo> #link https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-video-team/ansible/-/merge_requests/304 18:15:57 <pollo> I exported the pads in the 3 formats to the dc20-data repository 18:16:20 <pollo> #link https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc20-online/-/merge_requests/6 18:16:33 <pollo> I don't have much else to add 18:16:54 <terceiro> thanks for that 18:17:13 <olasd> did you give the links to the people with wafer access so they can replace the ones on the website with the static exports? :) 18:17:20 <terceiro> should we update the links in the website to point to the archived versions? 18:17:24 <olasd> yes 18:17:27 <terceiro> yeah 18:17:44 <terceiro> #action terceiro to update dc20 website to point the etherpad links to the archived versions 18:17:48 <pollo> I think it would be nice if the html version could be rendered 18:18:12 <olasd> is the html version standalone or does it need assets? 18:18:34 <pollo> looks standalone, it includes css 18:18:50 <pollo> https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc20-online/-/blob/1a9d2a6937b66caa02816fe3fae46befec512347/etherpads/etherpad/103-meet-the-community-team.html 18:19:45 <pollo> hugh, not pretty though 18:19:46 <terceiro> it seems gitlab won't give you a rendered version 18:20:00 <terceiro> it's either text/plain, or download 18:20:03 <pollo> the rendered html is actually hard to read because of colors 18:20:25 <pollo> anyway, nice to have, but not crucial. Linking to the text version is fine imo 18:20:50 <olasd> it shouldn't be too hard to get the html versions in the static wafer? 18:22:11 <pollo> https://imgur.com/FEfKL7b.png 18:22:20 <pollo> here's what the rendered html looks like in my FF 18:22:26 <pollo> I think I prefer the plain text 18:22:41 <olasd> beautiful 18:22:42 <terceiro> ugh 18:23:19 <pollo> anything to add? 18:24:01 <olasd> yes 18:24:19 <olasd> I think we should export the etherpad db before tearing down the machine in case we need to revert one of the exports to an old version 18:24:51 <olasd> (or alternatively we should review the exports) 18:24:54 <pollo> where should we dump it, vittoria? 18:24:59 <olasd> (but I think the former is easier) 18:25:13 <olasd> I guess so 18:25:56 <pollo> can I action you for that? I'd have to read Postgresql manuals, I don't have tons of experience with it 18:26:27 <olasd> yeah 18:26:56 <pollo> #action olasd to export the etherpad DB to vittoria before teardown 18:27:31 <olasd> #info export on vittoria:~olasd/etherpad_dc20_20200915.sql.gz 18:27:52 <pollo> #topic DC20 Teardown status -- Archival of prometheus data 18:27:56 <olasd> (when my 'net stops crying) 18:28:10 <pollo> I archived the grafana dashboards 18:28:28 <pollo> #link https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc20-online/-/merge_requests/7 18:28:45 <pollo> we still need to export the prometheus data 18:28:52 <pollo> preferably to something readable like CSV 18:29:16 <olasd> the default tsdb retention time is 15 days 18:29:20 <olasd> so I expect the data is gone already 18:29:30 <pollo> that's sad 18:29:45 <olasd> you can action me to check 18:30:08 <pollo> #action olasd to check if the prometheus data is still there (default autoremoval == 15days) 18:31:09 <olasd> yep, data before sept. 1 is gone 18:31:24 <olasd> https://prometheus.online.debconf.org/graph?g0.range_input=30d&g0.expr=up&g0.tab=0 18:31:37 <pollo> #info data before sept. 1 is gone, we don't have any prom data to archive 18:31:46 <olasd> so I guess prometheus can go away (and we should file a ticket to override that default in the future :P) 18:31:46 <pollo> we should change that in ansible though 18:31:48 <pollo> sounds important 18:32:23 <pollo> #action pollo to open an issue on ansible about prometheus time default 18:32:33 <pollo> #topic DC20 Teardown status -- Any other things to archive? 18:33:04 <pollo> looking at https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc20-online/-/issues/18, I think not 18:34:22 <olasd> did loopy get fully archived off of the obs host? 18:34:32 <pollo> I archived the nginx stuff 18:34:38 <olasd> yeah I saw that 18:34:48 <pollo> I thought the rest was in peertube 18:35:01 <olasd> the videos, yes; the scripts, obviously not 18:35:13 <pollo> #action pollo to check with highvoltage is something on obs1 wrt loopy needs to be archived 18:35:18 <olasd> thanks 18:35:33 <pollo> moving on? I have to leave in ~10mins 18:35:43 <olasd> I'll untick obs1 from the check list until that's done 18:36:09 <pollo> #topic DC20 Teardown status -- What should be kept running at infomaniak? 18:36:21 <pollo> looks like obs1 and review 18:36:38 <pollo> and we're aiming for Sunday as a deadline 18:37:30 <CarlFK> is Sunday the day stuff goes away? (thus get stuff saved before Sunday starts) 18:37:57 <pollo> I'll try to close all pending issues before Sunday yes 18:38:20 <pollo> CarlFK: were you still playing with groot.online.debconf.org ? 18:38:25 <olasd> CarlFK: Sunday is the last day stuff goes away. Get stuff saved *now* or tell people *now* that stuff needs to be saved. 18:39:06 <CarlFK> pollo: groot can go. 18:39:08 <olasd> I can have a sniff through home directories and start shutting down stuff from the infomaniak interface if it looks "fully ansibled" 18:39:49 <pollo> #action olasd to verify and shut down infomaniak machines when possible 18:40:16 <pollo> #topic MiniDebConfs -- MiniDebConfs schedule 18:40:20 <pollo> #chair olasd 18:40:20 <MeetBot> Current chairs: olasd pollo 18:40:50 <pollo> a lot of MiniDCs incoming and I feel the level of energy we have ain't enough 18:41:02 <olasd> definitely a concern 18:41:35 * pollo leaves 18:41:47 <pollo> sorry, medial appointment :( 18:42:04 <olasd> anyone still around who's not me? 18:42:39 <olasd> paddatrapper, nattie, lenharo, tobi, terceiro (you talked during this meeting :P) 18:42:53 <terceiro> hi sorry 18:42:54 <terceiro> :) 18:42:59 <lenharo> hi 18:42:59 <olasd> yeah, no worries 18:43:06 <nattie> i'm here, but if someone else prefers to chair, that's grand 18:43:19 <paddatrapper> olasd: yup 18:43:24 <olasd> I don't need a chair, I need to not be alone in the meeting... 18:43:32 <terceiro> heh 18:43:48 <olasd> because, frankly, I don't think i'll be much involved in the MiniConfs. I've raised my concerns already 18:44:28 <paddatrapper> I also don't think there is much news here. The dates have been set (tentatively I think) 18:44:33 <olasd> so has anything evolved wrt the prospective schedule? 18:44:47 <paddatrapper> #link http://deb.li/i4Y5M 18:45:04 <paddatrapper> 21-22 November - Gaming 18:45:11 <olasd> #chair paddatrapper 18:45:11 <MeetBot> Current chairs: olasd paddatrapper pollo 18:45:19 <paddatrapper> 28-29 November Brasil 18:45:34 <paddatrapper> 5-6 December - India 18:45:40 <paddatrapper> Suppose those should be #info 18:45:41 <olasd> #info expected schedule of miniconfs is still 3 weekends, 21-22 november, 28-29 november and 5-6 december 18:46:14 <olasd> #topic MiniDebConfs -- Setup of permanent infra for testing, training and miniconfs 18:46:19 <olasd> paddatrapper: any progress here? 18:46:23 <paddatrapper> none yet 18:46:38 <olasd> have an idea where to host this? 18:47:04 <paddatrapper> Probably Hetzner in VMs on a host if possible 18:47:15 <paddatrapper> Though we may run into issues with Jitsi and NAT 18:47:20 <paddatrapper> so maybe 2 VMs 18:47:32 <paddatrapper> s/VMs/machines 18:47:32 <olasd> 2 hosts you mean? 18:47:34 <olasd> right 18:47:42 <paddatrapper> yeah 18:47:52 <olasd> #info the current working theory is using a hetzner machine or two as VM hosts to run this infra 18:48:15 <olasd> should I #action you again about it? 18:48:24 <paddatrapper> Yes please 18:48:38 <olasd> #action paddatrapper to flesh out hosting for the permanent testing/training/miniconf infra 18:48:50 <olasd> anything else on the subject? 18:49:04 <paddatrapper> nothing from me 18:49:13 <terceiro> cool 18:49:33 <olasd> #topic MiniDebConfs -- any other business 18:49:54 <olasd> I've heard through the grapevine that the .fr minidebconf in Bordeaux has been postponed 18:50:01 <olasd> (unsurprisingly) 18:50:32 <nattie> yeah 18:50:42 <nattie> they don't want to do an online one 18:51:38 * tobi mumlbes MDC Regensburg dates are not known yet. Will be 2021 though. 18:52:16 <olasd> I see the teams for the online minidebconfs are getting/have gotten a bit more fleshed out; but yeah, looks like we'll need these people to give energy the video team if they want their events to succeed 18:52:34 <paddatrapper> #info MDC Regensburg will be in 2021 18:53:12 <olasd> #info MDC Bordeaux postponed for now 18:53:12 <terceiro> yeah 18:54:04 <olasd> #topic Review of last meeting's action items 18:54:38 <olasd> paddatrapper: has there been progress on the blogging? 18:54:58 <olasd> #action highvoltage to investigate HLS/Video.js tunable settings for switching resolutions (carried over from last meeting) 18:55:16 <paddatrapper> not yet. Hopefully this week or next (just need to sit down and actually write) 18:55:41 <paddatrapper> #action paddatrapper and highvoltage to flesh out a blog post (carried over from last meeting) 18:55:45 <olasd> *nod* 18:55:57 <olasd> #topic Any Other Business? 18:56:03 <paddatrapper> nothing from me 18:56:06 <olasd> neither 18:56:14 <terceiro> too 18:56:35 <olasd> taptaptap on the desk 18:56:41 <olasd> #topic Next meeting 18:56:53 <olasd> I guess we should meet next week to review the teardown actions? 18:56:58 <paddatrapper> Yeah 18:57:21 <paddatrapper> Then hopefully can lower the frequency 18:57:46 <olasd> #agreed Next meeting on Tuesday 2020-09-22 @ 18:00 UTC (review of the DC20 teardown) 18:57:52 <olasd> #endmeeting