18:40:16 <tumbleweed> #startmeeting 18:40:16 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Feb 17 18:40:16 2016 UTC. The chair is tumbleweed. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:40:16 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:40:19 <DLange> o/ 18:40:24 <tumbleweed> Agenda: https://storm.debian.net/shared/pg75HcKvGVql2SS_PdlitmnPFMUTTYz4_A6mqT_LeDr 18:41:19 <cate> Just to start, how it is the status of UTC? Google news tell me often about unrests 18:41:26 <cate> UCT 18:41:27 <tumbleweed> UCT 18:41:30 <indiebio> it's rather bad, cate. 18:41:44 <tumbleweed> #topic UCT 18:41:45 <tumbleweed> for that matter 18:41:57 <tumbleweed> I was wondering if this would be too soon to discuss it 18:42:03 <tumbleweed> indiebio: any idea of the level of damage? 18:42:19 <indiebio> I was briefly on campus rtoday and it looks OK, 18:42:31 <indiebio> and it will probably blow over, but who knows? 18:42:38 <tumbleweed> I can imagine that accommadations are rather swamped atm 18:42:44 <tumbleweed> I mean the booking people 18:42:51 <tamo_> indiebio: seems to be the same crowd that incited the rhodes must fall 18:43:01 <indiebio> DC16 will be in our holidays, so there won't be an audience, and I doubt they will harass conference goers, especially as we're open to all, but it's still scary and uncomfortable 18:43:14 <indiebio> oh. 18:43:22 <DLange> News summaries at http://www.news24.com/Tags/Topics/protests 18:43:27 <indiebio> so accommodation people are struggling with people demanding accommodation 18:43:48 <indiebio> we're not top priority 18:43:55 <tamo_> because they want that on the platter too 18:44:17 <tumbleweed> holidays are also when renovations happen, so if any buildings are damaged now, there's a good chance we won't get to use them 18:44:27 <indiebio> tamo_, can we please not discuss the ins and outs of it, it's not relevant and it's really exhausting and sad, please :) 18:45:15 <dumbassman> I agree with indiebio, the only relevance I assume is if it affects the conference, which I assume it doesn't 18:45:21 <indiebio> I don't know what to say, tumbleweed. it could really go any which way, in my opinion 18:45:44 <tumbleweed> yeah, I don't feel like I know, either 18:45:49 <tamo_> tumbleweed: what would be a back-up plan if it carried on? 18:46:19 <cate> I also think that it wouldn not effect the conference, but people will start talking about it (for registration) so we need to reassure people... in case of questins 18:46:30 <tamo_> tumbleweed: do we have other options 18:46:51 <tumbleweed> tamo_: we have the other options we investigated for the bid. But they cost, and are probably booked at this point :) 18:46:56 <superfly> I think it's mostly the students who are now back from their holidays, I don't think it'll last too long 18:47:25 <tumbleweed> Yes, I'm fairly confident that the holidays will be quiet 18:47:32 <tumbleweed> shall we move on 18:47:35 <tumbleweed> #topic pre-registration 18:47:41 <superfly> we have an intern at work from UCT, I'll keep abreast of things 18:48:00 <highvoltage> yeah I think this was a bunch of hooligans that embarrassed themselves and I doubt more will follow after they demonstrated how futile their actions were 18:48:19 <tamo_> well lets hope they don't start burning the buildings as they did at the other University. 18:48:22 <tumbleweed> lots of wafer infrastructure is in progress, but still no registration form as such. Sorry, I've been swamped 18:48:35 <tumbleweed> good news is that should be easy now :) 18:49:03 <highvoltage> the blocker there was the key value stuff that's now unblocked? 18:49:06 <tumbleweed> our cape town wafer hackers have been hacking away 18:49:16 <tumbleweed> yes, and an API is on the way, too 18:49:40 <highvoltage> that's going to be so awesome for this and future debconfs 18:49:57 <tumbleweed> if we keep using wafer :P 18:50:15 <tumbleweed> I plan to hack on the form this evening 18:50:16 <highvoltage> heh, I didn't want to say it. 18:50:29 <tumbleweed> sorry, madduck, you wanted to discuss it last night. I was just exhausted 18:50:48 <tumbleweed> #topic Call For Papers 18:50:54 <tumbleweed> wendar: ? 18:51:00 <tumbleweed> (err agenda says RFP timing) 18:51:26 * wendar is in the middle of a work crisis, not here 18:51:34 <madduck> tumbleweed: fine. I just need to know what you expect me to do. I am lost at how you want to get from here to there, and too afraid of just hacking away 18:51:35 <tumbleweed> OK, move on 18:51:47 <tumbleweed> #topic food 18:51:55 <tumbleweed> indiebio: back up plans? 18:52:03 <indiebio> so our preferred caterer is booked. 18:52:15 <indiebio> I don't know. get quotes for other caterers. 18:52:21 <tumbleweed> you had some other quotes from before 18:52:26 <tumbleweed> how did you feel about them? 18:52:34 <indiebio> use UCT catering and figure something out for the alternative meal options 18:52:37 <indiebio> food trucls 18:52:49 <indiebio> they could work, I guess. 18:53:08 <indiebio> is anyone keen to take over the food job? 18:53:16 <indiebio> as in, to chase it up and stuff 18:53:38 <dumbassman> I'm willing to help, don't want to champion the food job 18:53:57 <tamo_> indiebio: can you not do it? 18:54:05 <indiebio> I don't want to 18:54:46 <tamo_> ok, what is your reasoning for that? 18:55:08 <indiebio> I don't want to be part of this team, tamo_, same reasoning as I've given in November. 18:55:23 <tamo_> ok 18:55:47 <superfly> dumbassman: sounds like that's your cue ;-) 18:55:50 <dumbassman> so far tracking possible caterers seems the most practical thing I can help with; I can search and call for quotes 18:56:06 <tumbleweed> dumbassman: we have a bunch of quotes in the git repo, from our bid 18:56:23 <tumbleweed> tamo_: is this something you can help with too? You have some experience with such things, I think? 18:56:38 <tamo_> so the question is who is going to take charge with all these things tumbleweed can you give us an overview of how this all works. 18:56:56 <tumbleweed> that's what we're looking for, basically 18:57:05 <tumbleweed> is someone to take charge of organising food 18:57:37 <cate> tamo_: there is huge freedom on how. Just that it should fit the budget 18:57:44 <tamo_> tumbleweed: a little bit, i can deal will things like that, but I do need to factor in time etc, on top of other work 18:58:12 <tumbleweed> tamo_: no problem 18:58:21 <tumbleweed> dumbassman: do you want to find some options and we can discuss them? 18:58:33 <dumbassman> sure, more than willing 18:58:35 <highvoltage> an IRL food BoF might help kick that off 18:58:37 <tamo_> cate: tumbleweed ok so the best is to give a budget, indiebio to hand over what she has and I can call and see what options are available et 18:59:00 <indiebio> everything I have is in git. 18:59:16 <DLange> fallback-option is always the UCT food + the cafe right? 18:59:22 <cate> and we should provide vegetarian and vegan food. 18:59:39 <tamo_> as well as dumbassman, then maybe we put menu's and proposals together and make a choice from there 18:59:58 <tumbleweed> DLange: residence food or UCT cafe food 19:00:05 <tumbleweed> s/cafe/club/ 19:00:09 <tamo_> DLange: yup but I would not suggest that 19:00:23 <tumbleweed> UCT club isn't bad, it's just small 19:00:30 <tumbleweed> but they could probably cater in other venues, too 19:01:43 <tumbleweed> #action dumbassman to find some food options 19:01:45 <tamo_> tumbleweed: I need dates and deadlines when would this need to be secured by so I/dumbassman can work towards a goal 19:01:56 <cate> but it sould be a final backup plan. 19:02:24 <tumbleweed> tamo_: I'd say we should get this done within a couple of weeks? no reason not to, right? 19:02:31 <dumbassman> ok 19:03:31 <tamo_> tumbleweed: sure could we say beginning of March say the 3nd March? 19:03:41 <tumbleweed> indiebio (if she's willing) or I can help you navigate the options we've already explored 19:03:46 <tamo_> indiebio: who do we speak to at UCT 19:03:47 <cate> personally I would prefer a backup plan, and take more time for the first choice (so we know if we have much money to spend, so better food) 19:03:50 <tumbleweed> tamo_: sure 19:04:13 <tumbleweed> cate: you mean, find a range of caterers? 19:04:23 <tamo_> cate: what is our budget per head? 19:04:26 <indiebio> tamo_: sending an email. 19:04:33 <tamo_> indiebio: thanks 19:04:57 <cate> tumbleweed: if we can book cafetteria mush later, I think we could use the time to find better food. 19:05:12 <cate> tamo_: you should ask nkukard for the budget 19:05:18 <tumbleweed> cate: so, we were delaying food a bit for those reasons, and then lost our nice option, because she got booked 19:05:26 <tumbleweed> cate: which makes me a little hesitant to delay more 19:05:35 <tumbleweed> but yes, we should investigate UCT in parallel with other options 19:05:36 <cate> ah ok 19:05:41 <cate> right 19:06:23 <nkukard> sorry, was on the phonee 19:06:28 <nkukard> the budget is in git 19:06:33 <tamo_> cate: ok, tumbleweed lets secure this by beginning of March and book by then so we don't get stuck, indiebio do you have a list of food requirements or do we need to get that? 19:06:34 <nkukard> I pulled the figures from the quotes 19:06:41 <tumbleweed> nkukard: yeah, I can't make sense of the food bits of it, though :) 19:07:04 <nkukard> tumbleweed, pulled from the quotes that indiebio sent me or checked into git iirc *opens up* 19:07:10 <tumbleweed> OK 19:07:11 <indiebio> tamo_ you would need to refresh it, basically, think of the most pedantic eaters you've ever encountered. 19:07:27 <tumbleweed> most aren't pedantic, but there will be some 19:08:15 <indiebio> we don't have numbers of eaters yet, as that is only upon registration. and we were considering going vegetarian as default. so instead of having to choose vegetarian, one would have to choose meat. and the default option is 'I will eat whatever is served to me' 19:08:16 <tamo_> ok thanks indiebio, can someone provide us with a list of what is needed madduck, DLange or anyone from previous Debconfs 19:08:18 <nkukard> tumbleweed, I'd like some kind of quote values to update it with if at all possible 19:08:38 <madduck> tamo_: a list of? (sorry, following the other meeting too) 19:09:05 <cate> tamo_: I can give you the requirements 19:09:16 <tamo_> madduck: dietry requirements, we are discussing food and dumbassman and i are looking into taking it over 19:09:35 <indiebio> dumbassman: please msg me your email for food stuff. 19:09:38 <nkukard> tamo_, would you be the one that gives me figures? 19:09:39 <madduck> oh, and you want approximates… 19:10:27 <tamo_> cate: ok great, if you could do a list in an email perhaps and a rough idea of numbers then we have something to start with. 19:10:56 <tamo_> nkukard: ok well then lets see what quotes we get and i can present those figures to you? 19:11:06 <nkukard> cool beans! 19:11:10 <tumbleweed> right 19:11:17 <tumbleweed> I think we're at the end of our agenda 19:11:22 <tumbleweed> #topic anything else? 19:11:26 <madduck> tamo_, dumbassman: the majority will be "eat anything (incl. vegetarian)" and we have really good experience with providing a vegetarian base option for everyone sans the vegans/allergic people. 19:11:54 <tamo_> madduck: so do we need gulten free, lactose intolerant etc? 19:12:13 <madduck> if I had to guess right now, I'd say: 10% vegan, 5% allergies, and meat/fish as an option for ca. 60% 19:12:16 <tumbleweed> tamo_: small quantities, yes. They can come from another caterer, and cost more 19:12:21 <madduck> tamo_: that is under allergies. 19:12:22 <cate> tumbleweed: I think you should start to form registration team and call the publicity team for the opening or pre-registration 19:12:24 <tamo_> tumbleweed: for my part I will have verything for you by the 3ed 19:12:26 <tamo_> 3rd 19:13:09 <cate> lactose intollerant could switch to vegan on some days 19:13:16 <tamo_> madduck: perfect thanks that is a good estimate and CT has alot of health option too 19:13:36 <madduck> tamo_: I would err on the side of increasing the nr. of vegans 19:13:38 <tamo_> cate: ok thanks 19:14:31 <tumbleweed> cate: yeah, I haven't been doing anything about that while we've been blocked on the site 19:14:37 <tumbleweed> but that needs to start soon 19:14:57 <tumbleweed> are we done? 19:15:04 <cate> yes 19:15:28 <tumbleweed> thanks everyone :) 19:15:30 <tumbleweed> #endmeeting