21:08:39 <alexm> #startmeeting 21:08:39 <MeetBot> Meeting started Sun Jan 12 21:08:39 2014 UTC. The chair is alexm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:08:39 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 21:09:00 <alexm> #link https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/Meetings 21:09:14 <alexm> #topic Status of talks and proposals 21:10:08 <moray> hi ... 21:10:13 <dunetna> CfP has been sent to some places: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/CallForProposals 21:10:18 <dunetna> look at the end of the page 21:10:26 <dunetna> hi moray :) 21:10:48 <sim6> I think we need some feedback about incoming talks 21:11:02 <dunetna> tassia should know 21:11:21 <dunetna> but she's not here 21:11:38 <alba> is she the only one receiving the proposals? 21:11:48 <dunetna> but i guess we should send private mails 21:11:56 <dunetna> alba: i think so 21:12:09 <moray> I suspect we need to target people with private messages, yes 21:12:14 <sim6> but only tassia :( maybe is not the best strategy 21:12:17 <moray> though I hope that we have more than zero talks submitted already :) 21:12:39 <dunetna> i mean priavate mails to people we think can make a proposal 21:12:51 <alexm> #info CfP has been sent to some places 21:12:58 <alexm> #link https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/CallForProposals 21:13:23 <moray> dunetna: yes 21:13:34 <moray> dunetna: and perhaps also with suggested proposals already in the messages 21:13:34 <dunetna> anybody related with local universities know how can we send this CfP to teachers and students? 21:14:20 <dunetna> moray: +1 21:14:36 <moray> dunetna: I don't know what talks have been submitted (if any) so far, but it could make sense to have one on getting into the community, one on basic packaging, or similar 21:14:50 <moray> which many people would be capable of giving, but might need prompting to "volunteer" to give 21:15:24 <dunetna> if we don't have enough talkers, we don't have minidebconf... 21:15:25 <sim6> we have old not confirmed talks: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/Talks 21:16:04 <moray> sim6: ah true, yes, that makes things look better 21:16:10 <moray> depending if those people can really attend 21:16:42 <alexm> i remember reading on irc that the debconf target was debian development, i don't think that we'll find many speakers if the target is so narrow 21:17:14 <dunetna> it's not debian development 21:17:35 <dunetna> i think about debian techie related topics 21:17:54 <dunetna> but not user-focused debian 21:18:28 <alexm> but, are not all mini debconfs debian related? 21:18:49 <dunetna> for instance, a person wrote me to ask me if a project they have, all debian-based, could fit 21:19:21 <dunetna> i mean a talk about this project 21:19:27 <alexm> i didn't mean that speakers must be DD, of course 21:20:02 <moray> alexm: I think the point was only that it is a general DebConf minidebconf, and not one focusing on women's issues 21:20:15 <moray> so yes, like other minidebconfs 21:20:28 <alexm> i'll try to find the logs of that conversation because i think it took place on #debian-women 21:21:20 <dunetna> we have this "graphic design with debian"... do you think it fits in minidebconf? 21:21:50 <moray> dunetna: I expect they can make the topic fit, if they include "how debian is good for this project" / "how debian could be better for it" etc., rather than only talk about the project in itself 21:22:39 <alexm> sure, i'm just asking so we all share the same target 21:22:44 <dunetna> nice, i will send her these ideas 21:23:31 <alexm> so, can someone ask tassia how many proposals have we received? 21:23:42 <dunetna> we cans this in the list :) 21:23:57 <dunetna> and CCing her, just in case 21:23:59 <alexm> alright then, can we move on? 21:24:14 <dunetna> 1 moment 21:24:28 <dunetna> we need volunteers that send private mails 21:25:10 <dunetna> i'll write about this in the list 21:25:15 <moray> I wondered if we should start collecting "registrations" soon, so that we can prompt some of the people who respond into talking... 21:25:31 <dunetna> moray: hehe 21:26:06 <dunetna> i offer myself to create a wiki page for this 21:26:16 <dunetna> and link it from minisite 21:26:38 <sim6> ok, i can link it in minisite 21:26:59 <moray> dunetna: do you think a wiki is ok, or that too many people will object to doing it publicly? 21:27:16 <moray> (other minidebconfs manage with a wiki) 21:27:25 <dunetna> we can accept nicks as well 21:27:41 <moray> ok 21:27:46 <dunetna> well, it's the easisest way 21:27:51 <moray> indeed 21:29:25 <sim6> any agree? any action? next topic? 21:30:16 <sim6> #action dunetna creates a wiki page for registration 21:30:45 <moray> we can just make one similar to the Cambridge minidebconf's participant list, after this meeting 21:31:15 <dunetna> moray: i can't do it tonight :( 21:31:30 <moray> dunetna: well, I can make a version and you can edit it later :) 21:31:41 <dunetna> moray: perfect :))) 21:31:51 <sim6> #action dunetna sends private mails to request proposals 21:32:46 <moray> dunetna: can you also send a list mail asking for ideas of talks people would like to hear (but don't want to give themselves)? 21:33:00 <moray> perhaps that would help too 21:33:09 <moray> if people don't respond with too specific ideas :) 21:33:12 <dunetna> where would you send this? 21:33:35 <alexm> i guess debian-women is the right place to ask 21:33:54 <moray> probably, although it's a bit quiet 21:34:02 <dunetna> alexm: +1 but sadly it's not a very active list 21:34:26 <moray> and maybe one of the -user lists 21:34:39 <dunetna> we can start there... and if we are not very successful, write to other lists 21:35:02 <dunetna> i mean start on debian-women 21:35:13 <moray> dunetna: who will confirm if the people who put possible talks in the wiki are still interested? 21:35:38 <moray> I fear that e.g. Patty may say she can't really attend 21:35:51 <dunetna> we should mail them personally and ask them to send the proposal to proposals mail 21:36:00 <dunetna> yes, she can't :( 21:36:11 <dunetna> any vounteer for sending these mails? 21:36:12 <moray> ok ... though there's a danger you lose people just by asking them to do the bureaucracy 21:36:41 <moray> I would rather that whoever is choosing talks just pinged them directly 21:37:04 <dunetna> we should ask tassia then 21:37:06 <alexm> i'm afraid we're running out of time 21:37:23 <dunetna> alexm: yes 21:37:24 <moray> alexm: nothing is too late yet, but yes we need to be careful 21:37:48 <alexm> dunetna: i mean today, it's getting late and we're still discussing the first topic 21:37:51 <dunetna> ok, we should keep talking about this in the list 21:38:55 <alba> i believe we should first ask tassia how are the proposals coming, and then take action according to this. we can talk about it in the mailing list when we have more info 21:39:27 <sim6> #action sim6 reviews old not confirmed proposed talks 21:40:01 <sim6> #link https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/Talks 21:40:19 <dunetna> next topic? 21:40:40 <alexm> #topic Mini-site 21:41:16 <alexm> sim6: are you presenting this topic? 21:41:23 <alexm> #link http://probeta.net/~sim6/debian-bcn2014/ 21:41:23 <sim6> Please take a look at http://probeta.net/~sim6/debian-bcn2014 21:41:24 <moray> I saw that this has been appearing in the VCS :) 21:41:52 <dunetna> i think it's ready to use 21:41:58 <moray> yes 21:41:59 <dunetna> how can we make it public? 21:42:06 <moray> it can be edited more later, but it's fine for now 21:42:07 <sim6> This is there is in VCS 21:43:32 <sim6> I think we must talk with debconf.org masters 21:44:22 <alexm> i think we should change the name of the venue 21:44:27 <sim6> Maybe we need a link to registration in minisite 21:44:41 <dunetna> alexm: ?? 21:44:50 <alexm> it's not factultat d'informàtica at UB 21:44:55 <moray> sim6: it's easy to edit it later, once it is active 21:45:01 <alexm> it's the faculty of mathematics at UB 21:45:10 <dunetna> i think it's both 21:45:15 <alexm> which has computer science studies 21:45:32 <dunetna> ah, ok 21:45:37 <alexm> the official name it's not facultat d'informàtica, which can be confused with that at UPC 21:45:53 <dunetna> ok, we can change it 21:46:30 <sim6> #action sim6 changes the name of venue in minisite 21:47:02 <alexm> maybe a link to ub.edu should be added too 21:47:32 <sim6> alexm: ok 21:47:32 <dunetna> we can change more details once it is published 21:47:47 <alexm> other than that, it's seems ok to me 21:48:19 <alexm> anything else or can we move on? 21:48:35 <dunetna> next topic! 21:48:42 <sim6> move on! 21:48:48 <alexm> #topic Status of sponsoring 21:48:57 <dunetna> pufff... 21:49:06 <dunetna> no idea about that 21:49:10 <sim6> I started a project in goteo.org 21:49:21 <sim6> not public yet 21:49:39 <alexm> last week i had the chance to speak with some people at Caliu and they agreed to help the debconf 21:50:05 <sim6> We need a paypal and bank account 21:50:33 <alexm> i will send a mail with the details but they think that the association could even pay some of the expenses or receive donations 21:50:42 <dunetna> alexm: how much money? can this be public? 21:51:17 <sim6> today I started a contact with ffis.de asking if they can receive the money 21:51:20 <dunetna> we should add sponsors on minisite: càtedra de programari lliure and caliu for now 21:51:34 <alexm> we still need to talk about the details, but we usually donated 300€ to the JPL and i was hoping for that amount 21:51:43 <dunetna> and add goteo campaign if we can do it 21:51:57 <dunetna> alexm: nice 21:52:29 <alexm> who we'll receive the donations from goteo? 21:53:01 <sim6> alexm: we need a association for that 21:53:22 <moray> and did anyone ask the DPL for some funding from other Debian funds yet? (I wouldn't ask suggest it explicitly, but that could also be given as a "guarantee" only in case other sponsors don't give enough) 21:53:26 <sim6> today I asked ffis.de 21:53:35 <sim6> but caliu is ok 21:53:52 <moray> sim6: ffis ought to do it "for Debian", just keeping the money marked as for this event 21:54:01 <moray> like they do for debconfs 21:54:26 <dunetna> y benomoray: i think anybody has asked dpl yet 21:55:52 <alexm> #action alexm to talk with sim6 about goteo's requirements 21:56:10 <sim6> alexm: can we use caliu to receive goteo donations? 21:56:27 <alexm> #info sim6 has asked ffis if they can receive the donations as in other debconfs 21:56:44 <alexm> sim6: we'll talk about that off meeting 21:56:58 <sim6> alexm: ok 21:57:00 <alexm> dunetna: will you ask DPL? 21:57:15 <alexm> i think a DD should ask 21:57:17 <dunetna> i prefer not to do anything related to money 21:57:54 <alexm> well then, could you ask someone else? maybe ana, who's also on the sponsors team 21:58:29 <dunetna> ana? you mean marga 21:58:34 <dunetna> aren't you? 21:58:41 <sim6> only other dd here ;-) 21:58:43 <alexm> oh, sorry, i meant marga 21:58:52 <alexm> i'm not dd 21:59:13 <dunetna> i can ping marga 21:59:14 <alexm> anyway it's late, we need to end the meeting 21:59:35 <alexm> #idea someone should ask DPL for funding 21:59:48 <alexm> next topic? 22:00:27 <dunetna> go on 22:00:30 <alexm> #topic Review of urgent tasks to be done 22:00:37 <alexm> is there a list somewhere? 22:00:55 <dunetna> i think it's too long for today 22:01:28 <alexm> ok, but is there a list somewhere? 22:01:28 <dunetna> i suggest that next meeting be a face-to-face one 22:01:55 <dunetna> and review this list, do all we can do in the same meeting 22:02:04 <alexm> so the topic was about building a list of urgent things then¿ 22:02:06 <alexm> ? 22:02:09 <moray> ok 22:02:22 <dunetna> the list is done 22:02:25 <moray> dunetna: though maybe you can have some "mirroring" of the face-to-face meeting to irc also :) 22:02:36 <moray> dunetna: is the list in the wiki? 22:02:55 <sim6> #link https://wiki.debian.org/DebianWomen/Projects/MiniDebconf-Women/2014/Tasks 22:03:03 <alexm> thanks, sim6 22:03:12 <sim6> :) 22:03:38 <dunetna> moray: ok, i think it's doable :9 22:03:40 <alexm> ok, then we'll review that list on the next meeting 22:04:12 <alexm> can we move on to the last topic then? 22:04:17 <dunetna> yes 22:04:35 <alexm> #topic Date of next meeting 22:05:14 <dunetna> do you agree to make it face-to-face? (plus irc) 22:05:29 <moray> if you can get enough people face-to-face then it makes sense 22:05:30 <dunetna> if so, i think we should do a poll to know date and time 22:05:52 <alexm> hm... i think it should be the 26th 22:06:22 <alexm> on feb 2nd people we'll be at fosdem 22:06:28 <dunetna> yes 22:06:35 <dunetna> we can do it on 25 or 26 22:06:40 <alexm> s/we'll/will/ 22:07:01 <dunetna> i'm afraid i won't be there this year :_( 22:07:07 <sim6> #action sim6 creates a poll for the next meeting 22:07:24 <alexm> ok, one last thing about meeting agendas 22:07:49 <alexm> i think that would be very helpful to have one person responsible for each topic 22:08:06 <alexm> usually that person should be the one adding the item 22:08:26 <dunetna> i think i added all topics 22:08:39 <dunetna> so i'm against to this proposal :P 22:09:06 <moray> haha 22:09:09 <dunetna> unless more people add topics, of course 22:09:18 <alexm> i can always look at the changes in the wiki or ask you always :p 22:09:53 <alexm> no, seriously... there are some topics that not need presenters, but others do 22:10:26 <alexm> having to ask who's presenting topic after topic is time wasted 22:10:42 <dunetna> mmm 22:10:48 <alexm> then, if the presenter is absent, the topic can be skipped 22:10:58 <dunetna> i add topics that i think are interestig to talk 22:11:16 <dunetna> but more people should be involved in making the agenda 22:11:23 <alexm> agreed 22:11:49 <alexm> #agreed more people should be involved in making the agenda and take responsibility of topics 22:11:58 <alexm> anything else? 22:12:00 <dunetna> ok, perfect 22:12:22 <sim6> ok 22:12:22 <alexm> closing the meeting in 3 22:12:24 <alexm> 2 22:12:27 <alexm> 1 22:12:31 <alexm> #endmeeting