17:59:35 <zack> #startmeeting 17:59:35 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Feb 26 17:59:35 2013 UTC. The chair is zack. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:59:35 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:59:45 <zack> MeetBot: pingall dpl helpers meeting 17:59:45 <MeetBot> dpl helpers meeting 17:59:45 <MeetBot> algernon bgupta buxy Diziet gnugr gregoa hug KGB-0 KGB-1 KGB-2 lucas Maulkin MeetBot moray nhandler OdyX pabs paultag taffit taffit_sud zack 17:59:45 <MeetBot> dpl helpers meeting 18:00:05 <zack> who's around? 18:00:07 <nhandler> o/ 18:00:23 <zack> [ agenda, since MeetBot has just eaten the topic, is at http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=dpl/dpl-helpers.git;a=blob_plain;f=meetings/agenda.txt ] 18:00:47 <zack> lucas sent regrets on list, so he's likely not around 18:01:20 <Diziet> Hi, I'm here. 18:01:49 <zack> not a crowd... but we'll likely be quick today 18:02:01 <moray> hello 18:02:16 <zack> let's move on 18:02:33 <zack> paultag: around? first is yours, but it looks like DONE for good 18:02:57 <zack> indeed, I've just checked 18:03:14 <zack> next item (Maulkin to expand zack's draft PR on public cloud into some meaningful text), has been done by MadameZou 18:03:21 <zack> a couple of days ago, ball is in my camp now 18:03:31 <zack> #action zack to give feedback to press team for the cloud press release 18:03:47 <bgupta> I'm actually around for a bit... 18:03:57 <zack> (in related news, the press release about trademark/merchandise is ready too) 18:04:00 <zack> bgupta: hi! 18:04:01 <Maulkin> o/ 18:04:12 <zack> next one is mine, and still to do: 18:04:15 <zack> #action zack to contact debconf-team to draft a "job description" for delegation 18:04:18 <zack> Maulkin: o/ 18:04:26 <zack> (sorry about that, busy times...) 18:04:51 <zack> lucas is not around, but the salvaging thread looks still pending, so... 18:04:54 <zack> #action lucas to wrap-up the salvaging/orphaning thread and submit dev-ref patch 18:05:08 <zack> moray: next is yours (invited talks), any news? 18:05:38 <moray> it should be left as an action -- raising it informally no one objected, but that's not an official response yet 18:05:48 <zack> good news tho 18:05:57 <moray> though people did go off-topic of the question into "how will we deal with accommodation for these people??" etc. 18:06:08 <zack> did you mention it on some public place we can look at? 18:06:26 <moray> we've got another meeting this week, so I was going to push it to be decided at that 18:06:52 <zack> good, please re- #action it yourself 18:07:07 <moray> #action moray to check with debconf team how/if to deal with debconf invited talks 18:07:10 <zack> just to understand, "to be decided" <- what? have a "team" to decide upon invitations ... or ? 18:08:10 <moray> well, the first point is more just agreeing the principle; we already have (that is, we hypothetically have and will have active again soon) a talks team who could presumably handle this part too 18:08:24 <zack> ok, right 18:08:51 <zack> bgupta: next one is yours (sponsoring discuss list), and looks done \o/ 18:09:01 <bgupta> yes 18:09:04 <zack> bgupta: maybe you could mention here the list address for others interested in joining the conversation? 18:09:22 <zack> I apologize, but I didn't manage to reply to your introductory mail before this meeting 18:09:27 <zack> will do so in the next few days 18:09:28 <bgupta> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/debian-sponsors-discuss 18:09:39 <zack> k 18:09:54 <moray> same for me 18:10:12 <zack> #action zack and moray to followup to bgupta 's (great!) introductory mail on -sponsors-discuss 18:10:17 <bgupta> No worries, it's focused on longterm issues, so I understand if more pressing issues take precedenct. 18:11:02 <zack> I didn't have anything urgent for this meeting to report, so I've put in agenda a list of recent $stuff 18:11:24 <zack> on the first one (GSoC projects) the project could use some help from anybody 18:11:29 <bgupta> zack: Does it make sense to share the template we setup for trademark responses, and the #action for a reply for nominative uses? 18:12:06 <zack> bgupta: so, jumping to that, yes, totally 18:12:33 <zack> (context: bgupta is now behind trademark@d.o together with me, and has done a great job at streamlining answering to requests) 18:12:42 <zack> IME, nominative use answer are by far the most common 18:12:53 <zack> bgupta: so if you want to take an #action on that, by all means, go ahead 18:13:31 <paultag> zack: just sat down, sorry 18:13:36 <bgupta> so in the dpl-helpers repo, we have a trademark folder, with a sample reply for approval of licensing requests for use of debian in the domain names… as well as a csv to track requests. 18:13:37 <paultag> zack: README - done! 18:14:07 <nhandler> \o/ 18:14:14 <bgupta> #action bgupta to write temple reply to trademark requests that don't actually need approval, as they are nominative uses of the trademark 18:14:19 <zack> tnx 18:14:43 <zack> back to the GSoC topic, main point is: we suck at attracting developers non-packagers, and we've plenty of pending development tasks all over Debian 18:14:56 <zack> *this* is the time to sit-down, thing about them, and draft the corresponding proposals as GSoC project 18:15:03 <zack> (then, the difficult part is finding mentors) 18:15:04 <paultag> yes please. 18:15:17 <zack> but even only collecting the proposals is a good and useful exercise 18:15:24 <zack> we can't leave paultag code all we need in Debian! *g* 18:15:29 <paultag> :> 18:15:56 <nhandler> Who knows, maybe he could code us the next DPL ;) 18:16:11 <zack> thanks to the link to next topic ;) 18:16:24 <zack> nomination period will start this Sat, according to Q_ 18:16:39 <zack> I hope you've all done your job at pushing people to nominate themselves! 18:16:52 <paultag> yep :) 18:16:58 <zack> #dpl-helpers will be of little help without a DPL... 18:17:37 <nhandler> zack: Thoughts about trying to get the nominees to start idling in here throughout the election process? 18:17:57 <zack> nhandler: I didn't think of that, ... but it's a great idea! (assuming they're interested in the initiatve, of course) 18:19:01 <zack> #action invite candidates to participate into #debian-dpl activities (as soon soon they are known) 18:19:15 <zack> most of them should be known by the time of our next meeting 18:19:50 <zack> Diziet: any news on the incoming trademark policy? 18:20:12 <Diziet> zack: I haven't done anything. TC stuff has been a bit busy and I've been away. If you don't want to take it off me yet I'll keep it on my todo ... 18:20:32 <zack> sure, I don't have bandwidth to do that myself, just wonted to ensure you didn't forget 18:20:33 <Diziet> #action Diziet Make progress on inbound trademark policy 18:20:36 <Diziet> Ack. 18:20:39 <bgupta> zack: Do you want to have an action item for yourself to followup with mishi, if we don't hear back by some specific period of time? (Feel free to answer when you feel best appropriate. 18:20:40 <zack> tnx 18:21:02 <zack> bgupta: so, I've just pinged her for the DMCA matter, after noticing I didn't get an answer in 2 weeks time 18:21:17 <zack> it might be rude to ping her immediately there after 18:21:23 <bgupta> ok.. nvm 18:21:33 <zack> (you couldn't know that, of course) 18:21:47 <paultag> so, will the DMCA doc mean we can move mentors to .org ? 18:21:52 <zack> bgupta: do you have a way of setting reminders for yourself in the future? 18:22:04 <zack> bgupta: if so, please note down to ping her 1 week from now; otherwise, I could do that 18:22:05 <bgupta> I do. 18:22:19 <zack> bgupta: please do 18:22:32 <zack> paultag: that's the theory, yes. But I still need validation of the text I've proposed from SFLC 18:22:35 <bgupta> #action bgupta to ping mishi one week from today, if we haven't heard back 18:22:40 <paultag> ack 18:23:38 <zack> I guess there's only one left, for Maulkin: I've also mentioned to adsb today my (usual) worries about wheezy 18:23:43 <zack> (dulcis in fundo) 18:24:01 <zack> Maulkin: it's jfyi, you already know what's my position on that :) 18:24:28 <zack> I hope I manage to convince you people to start the ignore/remove/downgrade sweep, as the RC bugs count looks stable now 18:24:39 <zack> (i.e. it might remain where it is for, like forever...) 18:25:46 <paultag> I saw jmw mention starting that 18:25:51 <paultag> but I don't think he has time for it yet 18:26:22 <zack> adsb seemed positive about starting that too 18:26:35 * zack crosses fingers 18:27:05 <zack> anyway, I guess this is it, for the agenda part 18:27:20 <zack> if you've any other business, I'm around! 18:27:35 <paultag> #goteam 18:28:42 <nhandler> Next meeting in 2 weeks? 18:28:53 <zack> nhandler: forgot about that!, tnx 18:29:05 <zack> date -d @1363107600 (March 12) 18:29:08 <zack> any objection? 18:29:21 <paultag> none! 18:29:23 <nhandler> Nope 18:29:34 <bgupta> nope.. 18:29:57 <zack> #agreed next meeting date -d @1363107600 (March 12), usual time 18:31:13 <zack> if there's nothing else, we can close the meeting in a few minutes from now. I'll still be around for the next 20-30 mins 18:31:45 <nhandler> Nothing from me 18:32:05 <zack> nhandler: oh, the last time you quit the channel before I got the chance to thank you for updating the agenda ;-) 18:32:39 <nhandler> zack: Sorry about that. Hoping to get my shell back up soon. I'll update the git repo after this meeting ends 18:32:43 <nhandler> And Thank you :) 18:32:48 <zack> cheers 18:32:50 <zack> #endmeeting