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[19:00:50] * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen<br />
[19:01:00] &lt;h01ger&gt; meetbot has become quieter. it doesnt repeat ideas, actions, links anymore...<br />
[19:01:07] &lt;pere&gt; good<br />
[19:01:10] * h01ger = Holger Levsen<br />
[19:01:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; itais meetbot vagrantc sepski jorgenhg H sep jever OleA_ OleA k4x zamba jemtland_ winnie xoswald h01ger C14r_ white akai Tolimar finnarne zobel sirius Werner TheLaw sangamon_ Bman^ esc danielsan pere_away klausade lazyb0y: please indicate your presence by saying "/me = firstname lastname"<br />
[19:01:40] * jever = Jürgen Leibner<br />
[19:01:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic who writes the summary?<br />
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[19:01:43] * sepski = Ronny Aasen<br />
[19:01:43] * vagrantc = Vagrant Cascadian<br />
[19:01:55] * itais = José L. Redrejo<br />
[19:01:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting<br />
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[19:02:04] * H = René Mérou<br />
[19:02:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats the agenda url, as usual<br />
[19:02:32] * pere propose itais as the summary writer.  :)<br />
[19:02:38] * winnie = Patrick Winnertz<br />
[19:02:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; no volunteers to write the summary? /me puts a pizza in the ofen :)<br />
[19:02:57] &lt;itais&gt; I won't be here all the time. It's dinner time for my sons :-)<br />
[19:03:02] &lt;itais&gt; so I can not write the summary<br />
[19:03:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; itais, quite the contrary: thats why you're a good candidate to write it. you want to read backlog anyway, dont you? ;)<br />
[19:04:48] * h01ger waits for an angel^wa summary writer to appear <br />
[19:06:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; .<br />
[19:07:16] &lt;sepski&gt; looks bleak. i simply dont have time after the meeting , and  untill thursday. <br />
[19:07:17] &lt;pere&gt; 7 people, no summary writer. :/<br />
[19:07:35] &lt;sepski&gt; and i realy hope we can finish by 20:00 utc... <br />
[19:07:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; and an agenda full of stuff to discuss<br />
[19:07:48] &lt;vagrantc&gt; i'll write the summary<br />
[19:07:52] &lt;pere&gt; 52 minutes left.<br />
[19:07:55] * h01ger cheers vagrantc <br />
[19:08:00] &lt;pere&gt; hurrey!<br />
[19:08:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action vagrant will write the summary<br />
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[19:08:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic bugs we care about in etch / debian-edu 3.0 r2<br />
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[19:08:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; debian 4.0r3 is intended to happen in February, and mainly to fix issues with 4.0r2 - should we skip debians r2 and base our r2 on debians r3?<br />
[19:08:47] &lt;sepski&gt; vagrantc, for beeing not too involved. i realy appreciate it. <br />
[19:09:12] &lt;pere&gt; I really believe we need to push the new d-e-config from etch-test into etch.  it solve the ltsp rebuild problem bothering quite a lot of people.<br />
[19:09:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/roadmap#head-1b37bfac69ae761dc10944ed2f25d8216a17f521 is where i track what i think is reasonable to fix in etch r2. <br />
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[19:09:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; IMO we should use bugzilla for lenny now...<br />
[19:09:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, which # is that?<br />
[19:10:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; do you agree we should "skip" debians r2 and base/release our r2 based debians r2? (we can push d-e-c earlier...)<br />
[19:10:40] &lt;sepski&gt; h01ger, it's not been bugged afaik. <br />
[19:10:40] &lt;pere&gt; not sure.   the fix was to disable the apt hooks for etc-svk, and to add a ltsp build hook to include our keyring pakcages.<br />
[19:11:01] &lt;pere&gt; I agree we should base our new release on debian r3, yes.<br />
[19:11:23] &lt;pere&gt; not even sure if we want to make new images.  what exactly will we winn?<br />
[19:11:24] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, can you add that package to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Etch to the table "Status of packages which should go into 3.0 r2"<br />
[19:11:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, debians r2 brought new kernel images with some fixes<br />
[19:11:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; so d-i was rebuild<br />
[19:12:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'm quite sure it affected i386/amd64 as well<br />
[19:12:22] * h01ger checks<br />
[19:12:32] &lt;pere&gt; in the installer?<br />
[19:12:42] * h01ger takes silence as agreement on the "base on debians r3 question"...<br />
[19:12:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, yes<br />
[19:12:52] &lt;sepski&gt; if the installer is unaffected it would save a lot of work.. <br />
[19:13:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed we will "skip" debians r2 and base our r2 on debians r3<br />
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[19:13:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; "The installer has been updated to use and support the updated kernels included in this release. This change causes old netboot and floppy images to stop working; updated versions are available from the regular locations."<br />
[19:13:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; from the debian r2 announcement<br />
[19:13:55] &lt;pere&gt; ack.<br />
[19:14:16] &lt;pere&gt; but we do not use either, so not a big issue for us.  our udebs are on the CDs and DVDs.<br />
[19:14:37] &lt;sepski&gt; h01ger, does the updated kernels support newer hardware ? <br />
[19:14:56] &lt;sepski&gt; only reason i can see to rebuild the images <br />
[19:14:56] * h01ger will check this. it might very well be the case. i seem to recall that...<br />
[19:15:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; anyway, other things which needs fixing in etch?<br />
[19:15:42] * pere do not know, have started focusing on lenny and the boot system.<br />
[19:16:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action please add packages you want to see fixed in etch to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Etch and send a mail to debian-edu@l.d.o as when we released etch r1<br />
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[19:16:18] * itais only focused in lenny <br />
[19:16:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; so lets move to lenny<br />
[19:16:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic lenny<br />
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[19:16:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; this has quite some subtopics, please let us keep them in order!<br />
[19:17:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; this are the subs:<br />
[19:17:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; cd building <br />
[19:17:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; dak upgrade <br />
[19:17:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; roadmap <br />
[19:17:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; progress on bug #311188 <br />
[19:17:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; xmms replacement <br />
[19:17:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; ldapify services? <br />
[19:17:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; bind9 vs powerdns <br />
[19:17:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; dhcpd alternatives<br />
[19:17:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.1 lenny - cd building<br />
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[19:17:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; does it work now?<br />
[19:17:23] &lt;itais&gt; it's still broken<br />
[19:17:29] &lt;sepski&gt; no. it still does not work. <br />
[19:17:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; whats the problem?<br />
[19:18:04] &lt;sepski&gt; i have not had time to look deeply. but the build fail with a missing packages file <br />
[19:18:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; time? an idea whats broken? ?<br />
[19:18:20] &lt;sepski&gt; from local/lenny<br />
[19:18:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; sepski, and we're still using this half-applied patch? <br />
[19:18:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; can this cause the problems?<br />
[19:19:16] &lt;sepski&gt; the exact error is Can't open Packages file /skolelinux/administrator/temp_storage/builder/lenny-test-i386/lenny/CD1/dists/lenny/local/binary-i386/Packages : No such file or directory<br />
[19:19:52] &lt;pere&gt; sepski: with lenny, didn't the archive move to compressed packages files only?<br />
[19:19:57] &lt;sepski&gt; the patch is fully applied, and the problem have been there since dak upgrade<br />
[19:20:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; there is CD1 in the path and that smells of a multicd issue. and multicd is that new feature...<br />
[19:20:08] &lt;sepski&gt; pere, we enabled the uncompressed ones again . <br />
[19:20:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; sepski, ah<br />
[19:20:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; anyway, move on?<br />
[19:20:51] &lt;sepski&gt; h01ger, yes i think you are right since the old system used "CD" only<br />
[19:21:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea cd-building still broken, the exact error is Can't open Packages file /skolelinux/administrator/temp_storage/builder/lenny-test-i386/lenny/CD1/dists/lenny/local/binary-i386/Packages : No such file or directory<br />
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[19:21:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.2 lenny - dak upgrade<br />
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[19:22:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; this is mostly done. there was not really much documentation about+during the upgrade and the existing docs have only half be updated, but we can more or less cope :) <br />
[19:22:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; two cronjobs now send mails about NEW packages, but thats minor<br />
[19:22:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; and we're happy to have sepski in the team! \o/<br />
[19:22:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; next topic? ;)<br />
[19:23:17] &lt;itais&gt; go on<br />
[19:23:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed all is well :)<br />
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[19:23:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.3 lenny - roadmap<br />
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[19:24:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/roadmap<br />
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[19:24:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; IMO this topic is covered by the other lenny-subtopics and we should move on. agreed?<br />
[19:24:59] &lt;itais&gt; #agreed<br />
[19:25:08] &lt;sepski&gt; yes<br />
[19:25:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed this topic is covered by the other lenny-subtopics <br />
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[19:25:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.4 lenny - progress on #311188<br />
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[19:25:43] &lt;winnie&gt; okay<br />
[19:25:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://bugs.debian.org/311188<br />
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[19:25:49] &lt;winnie&gt; I think this is my part<br />
[19:26:03] * h01ger cheers winnie for his part! :)<br />
[19:26:09] &lt;winnie&gt; I've worked the last weeks on a solution for our long standing bug...<br />
[19:26:35] &lt;winnie&gt; so there are some issues I worked on and I need some help<br />
[19:27:05] &lt;winnie&gt; I've contacted the syslog-ng maint and he agreed to include a patch to preseed syslog-ng (enable remote logging)<br />
[19:27:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; winnie, do you know http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Bug311188 ? i've started that in merida, as its somewhat tiring to read thru all the bug mails to get an overview.. i havent had time to look at it since then, but plan to spend time in narvik on it<br />
[19:27:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Bug311188 <br />
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[19:27:40] &lt;winnie&gt; no I don't know this page<br />
[19:28:02] &lt;winnie&gt; there is some work which have to be done:<br />
[19:28:14] &lt;winnie&gt;  a patch to enable preseeding of openldap2<br />
[19:28:28] &lt;winnie&gt;  a patch to enable preseeding of bind9<br />
[19:28:38] &lt;winnie&gt; I'm working on syslog-ng<br />
[19:28:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; do we agree to switch to syslog-ng for lenny? shouldnt we switch today then?<br />
[19:29:14] &lt;winnie&gt; I would say so.. the maint of sysklog doesn't want debconf stuff in his package<br />
[19:29:24] &lt;sepski&gt; h01ger, i think it's a good idea. syslog-ng also have nice frontends for admin to read logs in <br />
[19:29:36] &lt;winnie&gt; so if we want to have this bug to be closed we have to switch<br />
[19:29:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; #info work to be done: a patch to enable preseeding of openldap2, a patch to enable preseeding of bind9. winnie is working on a patch for syslog-ng. and there is more work in #311188 :)<br />
[19:29:39] * pere is not sure.  but I believe we should identify issues that can be fixed by replacing the package.<br />
[19:30:02] &lt;pere&gt; winnie: did you talk with the sysklogd maintainer on irc?  might be an idea<br />
[19:30:26] &lt;winnie&gt; pere: I've talked with him a half year ago and he even rejects to use debhelper stuff in his package<br />
[19:30:42] &lt;pere&gt; winnie: ok. :/<br />
[19:30:43] &lt;winnie&gt; he'll never include things like debconf etc. in his package<br />
[19:31:07] &lt;winnie&gt; and i've prepared already a patch for sysklogd as a whislistbug against it..<br />
[19:31:12] &lt;itais&gt; winnie: I don't understand " enable preseeding of openldap2" , slapd allows preseeds now<br />
[19:31:21] * h01ger is also in favor of switching to syslog-ng but would like to know itais opinion on this<br />
[19:31:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; itais, i think he means #370343<br />
[19:31:44] &lt;winnie&gt; itais: which values can be set by preseeding slapd?<br />
[19:31:49] &lt;itais&gt; holger: don't have an opinion for syslog-ng. I don't have any problem to switch either<br />
[19:32:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; so we agree to switch?<br />
[19:32:31] &lt;winnie&gt; we need a value to say: we want to run on ldap:/// and ldaps:///<br />
[19:32:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; winnie, is that #370343?<br />
[19:33:01] * pere have nothing against switching, but would like to know if there are any problems with it. :)<br />
[19:33:05] &lt;winnie&gt; wait<br />
[19:33:06] &lt;sepski&gt; h01ger, we agree to test it atlest <br />
[19:33:07] &lt;itais&gt; winnie: ok, that option can not be preseeded<br />
[19:33:33] &lt;winnie&gt; h01ger: yes this is #370343<br />
[19:33:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed we switch to syslog-ng in lenny now, to test if it works. if it doesnt, well, we keep the pieces ;)<br />
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[19:33:53] &lt;winnie&gt; these two settings have to be preseeded<br />
[19:34:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action holger will document this in #370339 (the syslog bug)<br />
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[19:34:20] &lt;winnie&gt; h01ger: we've to figure out the correct settings for syslog-ng<br />
[19:34:25] &lt;winnie&gt; but this shouldn't be so hard<br />
[19:34:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action 370349 is also syslog related. <br />
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[19:34:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; winnie, please go ahead ;-)<br />
[19:35:32] * pere would like a list of issues, and proposals (as in fix the package, switch to package X or Y, drop).<br />
[19:36:07] &lt;winnie&gt; h01ger: I'll look at it<br />
[19:36:10] &lt;itais&gt; winnie: I can do the patch for  #370343 if it's not already done but it's not clear in the bug if the maintainer is active and will apply it<br />
[19:36:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; ok, looking at the time and the agenda (and that we've actually made some progress with this bug), i propose to move on - except that i want to reply to pere first... ;)<br />
[19:36:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, something like http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Bug311188 but with more info?<br />
[19:36:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action itais will provide a patch for #370343<br />
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[19:37:11] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: yes, with more info.<br />
[19:37:33] &lt;winnie&gt; itais: yes this is true. Torsten answered and he would agree on applying it.. and i think vorlong will also do<br />
[19:37:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Bug311188 should lists issues and proposals (as in fix the package, switch to package X or Y, drop).<br />
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[19:37:44] &lt;winnie&gt; I'll write a email to him and ask if you like<br />
[19:38:07] &lt;itais&gt; winnie: ok<br />
[19:38:15] * h01ger votes for next topic and having this topic at the next meeting again<br />
[19:38:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.5 lenny - xmms replacement<br />
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[19:38:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; we have 22min and 7 topics left....<br />
[19:39:09] * pere uses amarok to play music<br />
[19:39:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; xmms depends on gtk1 which will be removed for lenny, because/if nobody maintains it. gtk1 is dead upstream since years<br />
[19:39:24] &lt;pere&gt; what purpose did xmms fill that we need to refill?<br />
[19:39:41] * sepski used vlc. <br />
[19:39:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; there was a little flamewar on #debian-devel last night and probably still a discussion on debian-devel@l.d.o about this. i suggest to see what happens in debian...<br />
[19:40:01] &lt;winnie&gt; pere: listen to music<br />
[19:40:24] &lt;pere&gt; winnie: could amarok fill that need?<br />
[19:40:28] &lt;itais&gt; Audacious seems the natural replacement of xmms<br />
[19:40:33] &lt;winnie&gt; but I'm not sure if we need this. I would suggest remove it (and all of it dependencys)<br />
[19:40:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; minirok<br />
[19:40:38] &lt;sepski&gt; does kde/gnome prefer a player if yes we should use those  ? <br />
[19:40:41] &lt;winnie&gt; and maybe add audacious<br />
[19:40:45] * pere have not used xmms for a long time, so have no opinion.<br />
[19:40:45] &lt;itais&gt; amarok is much more than xmms and too big<br />
[19:41:01] * h01ger really thinks minirok may well be it<br />
[19:41:01] &lt;itais&gt; minirok could be an option too, it's not as bloated as amarok<br />
[19:41:10] &lt;pere&gt; check popcon ratings for the alternatives.<br />
[19:41:24] &lt;sepski&gt; pere, good suggestion<br />
[19:41:32] * winnie uses amarok too but it is too big for us<br />
[19:41:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea xmms depends on gtk1 which will be removed for lenny, because/if nobody maintains it. gtk1 is dead upstream since years<br />
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[19:41:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; move on?<br />
[19:41:58] &lt;sepski&gt; yes please<br />
[19:42:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.6 lenny - ldapify services?<br />
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[19:42:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; bind9 vs powerdns <br />
[19:42:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; dhcpd alternatives:#215968 , using a cron to fill dchp config files, maybe others?<br />
[19:42:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; are the subtopics<br />
[19:42:49] &lt;pere&gt; ltsp too<br />
[19:42:58] &lt;itais&gt; i like what I've read of powerdns and sep informations, but we have to be sure of the migration from etch<br />
[19:42:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; ltsp?<br />
[19:43:13] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: yes, fetching LTSP client config from ldap.  allows for LTSP server clusters.<br />
[19:43:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; ah<br />
[19:43:27] &lt;itais&gt; for dhcpd the cron seems to be the only safe alternative<br />
[19:43:43] &lt;itais&gt; pere: is any previous work on ltsp from ldap done somewhere?<br />
[19:44:03] &lt;pere&gt; itais: yes.  I posted about it on ltsp-devel a year or more ago.<br />
[19:44:37] &lt;H&gt; h01ger:  i added one bug fix to ktoch:  http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2008/01/msg00058.html   im not sure if this is something to remember here, but it makes ktouch usefull for spanish, and ktouch is something good to teach in school<br />
[19:44:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; the openwrt people have developed a library for accesing config files, which allows several backends. one of them is ldap. this is not ready yet, but might be very cool stuff in future<br />
[19:44:53] &lt;sepski&gt; have anyone looked at the dhcp patch for ldap? it is something we could update to dhcp in lenny ? or is it old and forgotten ? <br />
[19:45:35] &lt;sepski&gt; i suspect its out of out time resource capabilities<br />
[19:45:48] &lt;pere&gt; I suspect we list our alternatives, and try to pick among them.  I am not sure if powerdns is the best option, for example.  the combined dns and dhcp server fetching data from ldap sound like a better solution, if it is good.<br />
[19:46:11] * h01ger thinks we need a bug in our bts to track this. or more than one.<br />
[19:46:12] &lt;pere&gt; I would prefer something that connect directly to ldap, instead of depending on cron<br />
[19:46:13] &lt;sepski&gt; pere, combined ? are you talking about dnsmasq ? <br />
[19:46:22] &lt;pere&gt; sep: could be.  do not remember.<br />
[19:46:51] &lt;pere&gt; we might also want to check the service location protocols<br />
[19:47:43] &lt;sepski&gt; i will add a configfile for pdns to svn, and a migration snippet. but not change the default. so more people can test it. <br />
[19:47:44] &lt;pere&gt; we need to know what LDAP schemas the different services are using.<br />
[19:47:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; can someone please open a general bug in our bugzilla, "ldapify services" and then add blocking bugs, "ldapify dns", "..dhcp", etc? <br />
[19:48:06] &lt;pere&gt; are there good standards for it, and if so, we should pick one using such standards.<br />
[19:48:31] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: it might be better with a wiki for taking notes.<br />
[19:48:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, will you create that wiki page then? ;)<br />
[19:49:12] * pere trust itais to do it. :P<br />
[19:49:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; itais, will you?<br />
[19:49:22] &lt;sepski&gt; pere, for a dhcp server with ldap is it a requirement to have the leasefile in ldap  ? so one can cluster/failover. or are we talking stricktly config ? <br />
[19:49:24] * itais is back again<br />
[19:49:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; 11min left..<br />
[19:49:41] &lt;itais&gt; sepski: we tried the dchp patch for ldap and it's not working with current dhcpd version<br />
[19:50:11] &lt;pere&gt; for dhcp, we want a server that can submit ntp setup etc.<br />
[19:50:31] &lt;itais&gt; h01ger: I was thinking more in doing the agenda for Narvik, but I can do the wiki page instead<br />
[19:50:52] &lt;pere&gt; itais: we probably need to do both.<br />
[19:51:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action itais will create a wiki page, "ldapify services" and there have several paragraphs, each describing one service, proposal solutions, status.<br />
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[19:51:04] &lt;itais&gt; I know but I can not do both :-D<br />
[19:51:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; itais, great! thanks :)<br />
[19:51:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; next topic... the rest is details and should be dealt later, on the list and in the bts :)<br />
[19:51:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic www.skolelinux.org<br />
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[19:51:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; akai, jever? are you here?<br />
[19:52:06] &lt;jever&gt; yes<br />
[19:52:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; i suggest to have a website session saturday morning in narvik.<br />
[19:52:55] * jever is preparing a demosite for explaining his understanding of multilingual site right now<br />
[19:53:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; we dont have time for more now anyway. there is some backlog/todo on the mailinglist and some on the wiki page..<br />
[19:53:09] &lt;itais&gt; h01ger: will you do Narvik agenda? ;-)<br />
[19:53:13] &lt;h01ger&gt; jever, cool<br />
[19:53:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; itais, nope :)<br />
[19:53:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; itais, i want to be able to do _some_ work ;)<br />
[19:53:43] &lt;jever&gt; I think I will be able to have a rollout scenario ready for Narvik<br />
[19:53:51] &lt;pere&gt; more on the web site or next topic?<br />
[19:53:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action jever is preparing a demosite for explaining his understanding of multilingual site. he hopes to have  a rollout scenario ready for Narvik<br />
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[19:54:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action  holger suggests to have a website session saturday morning in narvik.<br />
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[19:54:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 5. netboot install repository<br />
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[19:54:24] &lt;h01ger&gt; finnarne?<br />
[19:54:44] &lt;sepski&gt; * [finnarne] idle 07:40:16, signon: Mon Dec 24 11:38:49 <br />
[19:54:47] * pere have always wanted PXE install support in skolelinux. :)<br />
[19:54:51] * sepski too <br />
[19:55:00] * jever too<br />
[19:55:03] &lt;pere&gt; my dream has been to install the main-server, and PXE install the rest of the machines. :)<br />
[19:55:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/NetbootInstall<br />
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[19:55:11] &lt;sepski&gt; altho i was thinking more of fai. a d-i working installer would be nice<br />
[19:55:33] &lt;vagrantc&gt; doing network boot d-i is relatively simple<br />
[19:55:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea finnarne succeeded in netbooting installs of debian-edu but he didnt attend the meeting... :)<br />
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[19:55:59] &lt;pere&gt; vagrantc: would you be willing to guide my grandmother through the process, over the phone? :)<br />
[19:56:04] &lt;jever&gt; I was thinking about to build finnarne solution in GT for automatically installing and testing<br />
[19:56:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; vagrantc, the devilish detail is the extra repo debian-edu uses...<br />
[19:56:35] * h01ger knows netbooting with d-i and fai and pure fai can be done. been there, done that :)<br />
[19:56:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic Ellaborate an Agenda for Narvik gathering<br />
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[19:56:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; 4min left :)<br />
[19:56:56] &lt;pere&gt; I suspect we should fix d-i to support preseeding the location of the .disk/ directory for netinstalls.<br />
[19:56:59] &lt;sepski&gt; so we should get all our packages into debian asap :)<br />
[19:57:05] * h01ger suggests to elaborate the agenda in the wiki and on the list<br />
[19:57:20] * vagrantc would happily work on netboot installs for debian-edu<br />
[19:57:24] * h01ger nods sepski, not pere :)<br />
[19:57:41] &lt;pere&gt; scaling and ldap-converting are the topics I want to discuss in narvink<br />
[19:57:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed  to elaborate the agenda for narvik in the wiki and on the list<br />
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[19:57:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 8. next meeting?<br />
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[19:58:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; before or after narvik?<br />
[19:58:26] * h01ger suggests 8 days after narvik. <br />
[19:58:30] &lt;pere&gt; after should be enough, I believe.<br />
[19:58:34] &lt;jever&gt; after, I think<br />
[19:58:35] &lt;sepski&gt; agreed<br />
[19:58:41] &lt;itais&gt; agreed<br />
[19:59:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed next irc meeting should be after narvik, probably 8 or 15 days later<br />
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[19:59:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 7. any other business<br />
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[19:59:42] &lt;pere&gt; as for any other business, I am working on dependency based boot sequencing and speeding up the boot.<br />
[20:00:02] * h01ger will give a talk about debian-edu etc. in the debian dev room at fosdem. who else will attend?<br />
[20:00:09] &lt;pere&gt; it work in unstable, and I plan to get it enabled for lenny, at least for debian-edu, hopefully also for debian/lenny.<br />
[20:00:17] &lt;pere&gt; give it a try.  it is the insserv and readahead packages.<br />
[20:00:29] * pere plan to give a talk about the boot system at fosdem.<br />
[20:00:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; and there is a debconf8 meeting in #debconf-team now. the videoteam is looking for volunteers at fosdem and at debconf8 :)<br />
[20:01:08] &lt;pere&gt; btw,<br />
[20:01:11] * h01ger is in contact with cesar about another debian-edu dev meeting in extremadura this year. no real news yet<br />
[20:01:23] &lt;pere&gt; someone need to fix the conffile removal code in debian-edu-config.  It is missing.  See bug in BTS.<br />
[20:01:47] &lt;sepski&gt; h01ger, great meeting moderation, snappy and on the topic  :)          vagrantc thanks again for writing the summary. \o/          have to run now. <br />
[20:01:51] &lt;winnie&gt; stupid question: when is fosdem?<br />
[20:01:57] &lt;pere&gt; www.fosdem.org<br />
[20:03:48] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: a new meeting would be great.  fitting it in the schedule will be interesting.  coordinate with Werner.<br />
[20:03:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; thank you all for attending and cnontributing to a fun + effective meeting!<br />
[20:04:07] &lt;pere&gt; yeah.<br />
[20:04:27] * jever thanks h01ger for his great moderation<br />
[20:04:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, will do<br />
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