Started logging meeting in #debian-edu, times are UTC.<br />
[19:02:24] &lt;h01ger&gt; heh<br />
[19:02:27] * itais is taking care of the children dinner, so I'm out of the lottery<br />
[19:03:01] &lt;danielsan&gt; anyone attending the meeting, pleace indicate your presence by doing "/me = <your realname>"<br />
[19:03:04] * danielsan = Daniel Heß<br />
[19:03:11] * andreas = Andreas Tille<br />
[19:03:15] * h01ger = Holger Levsen<br />
[19:03:17] * itais = José L. Redrejo<br />
[19:03:25] * lud93r = Ludger Sicking<br />
[19:03:32] * Blankoworld = Olivier Dossmann<br />
[19:03:33] * alfton_hjemme = Alf Tonny Bätz<br />
[19:03:46] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic welcome round<br />
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[19:04:12] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 1. Who writes the summary?<br />
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[19:04:40] &lt;danielsan&gt; volunteered to write the summary, so we can move on :)<br />
[19:04:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; \o/<br />
[19:05:02] &lt;danielsan&gt; #links agenda is on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting<br />
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[19:05:15] &lt;danielsan&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting<br />
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[19:05:30] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 2. bugs we care about in etch<br />
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[19:05:47] &lt;danielsan&gt; no name on it, so who whants?<br />
[19:05:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; there were four etch relevant bug reports last week<br />
[19:06:10] &lt;andreas&gt; I wonder if this should really be _Etch_ and not _Lenny_?<br />
[19:06:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; but no replies yet<br />
[19:06:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; it should be etch<br />
[19:06:19] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; i have something about the kiosktool<br />
[19:06:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; i guess we want to have flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound moved from etch-test to etch? can someone confirm it works?<br />
[19:07:46] * danielsan has no idea<br />
[19:08:02] * h01ger removes flashplugin-nonfree from etch-test, newer version in bpo...<br />
[19:08:27] &lt;danielsan&gt; #action h01ger will remove flashplugin-nonfree from etch-test<br />
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[19:08:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; and i will send mail about flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound...<br />
[19:09:03] * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen<br />
[19:09:19] &lt;danielsan&gt; h01ger: so what are the other three bugs?<br />
[19:09:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi pere, backlog at http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/debian-edu.log.20080310_1902.html<br />
[19:10:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; #1301, #1302, #1304 - 1303 is rather harmless<br />
[19:10:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; does someone use adept happily and succesfully?<br />
[19:10:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; (this is what 1301 and 1302 are about)<br />
[19:10:57] &lt;danielsan&gt; #link http://bugs.skolelinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1301, http://bugs.skolelinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1302, http://bugs.skolelinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1303, http://bugs.skolelinux.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1304<br />
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[19:11:07] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: I tested the extrasound package in Narvik, and it worked, but introduced a lot of jitter in the sound.<br />
[19:11:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, with ltsp or on the same machine? <br />
[19:11:46] * h01ger wonders if there were more testers...<br />
[19:12:06] * itais tested it on lenny and it worked too (only on i386)<br />
[19:12:10] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: with ltsp.<br />
[19:12:21] * h01ger nods, cool<br />
[19:12:28] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: it is not useful on the same machine.  there normal sound work fine.<br />
[19:12:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; yeah, thats what i suspected, but..  :)<br />
[19:13:17] * h01ger thinks we can continie with the other topics... its good to bring etch bugs back into our minds, but lets move on too :)<br />
[19:13:46] &lt;danielsan&gt; alfton_hjemme: please go-ahead for kiosktool<br />
[19:14:10] &lt;danielsan&gt; alfton_hjemme: or do you whant to report later?<br />
[19:15:11] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; well i can<br />
[19:15:43] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; we found out that the kiosktool that follow skolelinux dont work with the edit of menu<br />
[19:16:01] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; we tryed to purge the install and install it again with no luck<br />
[19:16:11] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; so we tryed a bit ugly solution<br />
[19:16:29] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; installed packages from kubuntu<br />
[19:16:41] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; and then the kiosktools menu edit worked like a charm:<br />
[19:18:19] &lt;danielsan&gt; if i remember correctly white (Steffen Joeris) has worked on kiosk tool, maybe write him an e-mail, as his laptop is broken, and may not follow the mailinglist?<br />
[19:18:24] &lt;h01ger&gt; someone needs to investigate this and see what changes the kiosktool from ubuntu does... <br />
[19:19:13] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; that have been great to make the solution bethere then that we did..<br />
[19:19:51] &lt;danielsan&gt; #idea someone should diff with ubuntu kiosktool package to see what is different there<br />
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[19:20:06] &lt;danielsan&gt; i think we should move on and discuse that on mailinglist<br />
[19:20:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; alfton_hjemme, did you just install the kiosktool package from ubuntu or anything else?<br />
[19:20:26] * h01ger favors moving this to the list <br />
[19:20:37] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 3. lenny - #3.1 cd building<br />
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[19:21:09] &lt;danielsan&gt; sep is still at work, someone else whant to say something about this?<br />
[19:21:29] &lt;itais&gt; well, it works but d-i jumps over our profiles selection<br />
[19:21:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; alfton_hjemme, will you send a mail to the list? <br />
[19:21:43] &lt;itais&gt; appart from it, you can install lenny perfectly<br />
[19:22:10] &lt;danielsan&gt; itais: it's than more like a plain lenny installation?<br />
[19:22:21] &lt;itais&gt; danielsan: right<br />
[19:22:31] &lt;itais&gt; it seems our udebs just do not work<br />
[19:22:41] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; yupp<br />
[19:22:53] &lt;itais&gt; but you can build the cd, and that's an advance over some months ago ;.)<br />
[19:22:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; alfton_hjemme, cheers!<br />
[19:23:05] &lt;danielsan&gt; ok does anyone know more?<br />
[19:23:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; no. i thought we had a howto how to debug this, but it seems we dont<br />
[19:23:58] &lt;danielsan&gt; otherwise i'm in favor to leave this for the next meeting (or the mailinglist) and get seps opinion on that<br />
[19:24:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; quick summary: log at the d-i logs :)<br />
[19:24:09] &lt;pere&gt; I believe the CD building is broken, and not including the packages we want.<br />
[19:24:18] &lt;pere&gt; it produces a CD, but it is not correct.<br />
[19:24:43] &lt;itais&gt; not, the packages are correct, they are included<br />
[19:24:59] &lt;itais&gt; at least, the last week were included<br />
[19:25:03] &lt;pere&gt; ok.  I noticed some core packages being dropped.  did not investigate, just saw the commit message.<br />
[19:25:06] &lt;danielsan&gt; #idea cd build does not build a debian-edu install cd for lenny currently, it installas a plain lenny system<br />
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[19:25:49] &lt;pere&gt; danielsan: that was the case when I test installed a week or two ago.<br />
[19:25:53] * klausade = klaus ade johnstad<br />
[19:26:20] &lt;danielsan&gt; pere: itais has observed the same behavoiur<br />
[19:26:59] &lt;danielsan&gt; itais: can you rise this topic on the mailinglist please?<br />
[19:27:23] &lt;pere&gt; I checked the .disk/udeb_include file, and it was correct.<br />
[19:27:46] &lt;itais&gt; danielsan: ok, I'll let my colleague Antonio Ullan send the email, as he's who is testing the cd building<br />
[19:27:48] &lt;pere&gt; there are two explanations I can think of.<br />
[19:28:26] &lt;pere&gt; one is that the local packages are ignored by d-i.  not very likely.  the other is that the debian-edu-install package is not build with the proper distribution, leading to wrong menu sequence numbers.<br />
[19:28:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; which is the right distribution?<br />
[19:29:07] &lt;pere&gt; unstable, I believe.  or !etch.  not sure how the logic is in debian/rules.<br />
[19:29:13] &lt;danielsan&gt; itais: gracias<br />
[19:29:20] &lt;pere&gt; it look in debian/changes to decide how to build the package.<br />
[19:30:00] * h01ger nods<br />
[19:30:11] &lt;danielsan&gt; #action debian-edu-install needs to be checked, if it useses correct menu sequence numbers<br />
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[19:30:38] &lt;danielsan&gt; should we discuss the rest on the mailinglist and move on?<br />
[19:30:58] &lt;alfton_hjemme&gt; h01ger: sendt..;)<br />
[19:31:00] * h01ger nods<br />
[19:31:15] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 3. lenny - #3.2 progress on bug #311188<br />
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[19:31:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Bug311188<br />
[19:31:43] &lt;danielsan&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Bug311188<br />
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[19:32:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; danielsan, thats not needed, if the link is at the beginning, see http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/debian-edu.20080310_1902.html :)<br />
[19:32:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; anyway, did anyone work on a blocker for 311188?<br />
[19:32:33] &lt;danielsan&gt; h01ger: have seen, was to late then :(<br />
[19:33:18] * h01ger will ping two blocking ones now: 370332 and 370351<br />
[19:33:27] &lt;danielsan&gt; Patrick did some work, but is busy at university currently<br />
[19:33:37] &lt;pere&gt; did we switch to rsyslog?<br />
[19:33:45] &lt;pere&gt; it would solve one of them, at least. :)<br />
[19:34:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; Winnie has been tracking some others... but it would be cool, if someoneelse could look at, eg, the ldap bugs  370337 and 370343<br />
[19:34:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, i believe not. but yes, thats one<br />
[19:34:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; and it seems 370347 is fixed, but we havent made use of it now. (munin-node related)<br />
[19:35:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; next point? <br />
[19:35:47] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 3. lenny - #3.3 ldapify services?<br />
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[19:35:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; or comments to any of the busg?<br />
[19:36:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; are we installing the new dhcp-ldap package already?<br />
[19:37:56] &lt;itais&gt; not yet, let's wait for it to arrive to lenny<br />
[19:38:01] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: nope.  have not seen any such changes to the debian-edu package.<br />
[19:38:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; itais, ah, ok<br />
[19:38:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, i know :) that 311188wiki page is good to track such things<br />
[19:38:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; :)<br />
[19:38:49] &lt;danielsan&gt; any news on the bind front?<br />
[19:39:21] * itais has to leave now, I'll send an email about cdd later<br />
[19:40:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; itais, bye! pity, i thought you'd be here for the hidden desktop question.. ;)<br />
[19:40:40] * pere has been busy with dependency based boot sequencing in debian and have not spent much time on debian-edu recently.<br />
[19:40:45] &lt;pere&gt; itais: bye. :)<br />
[19:40:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; what was the url for the ldaify progress tracking?<br />
[19:40:57] &lt;andreas&gt; itais: by, greetings to wife and children ;-)<br />
[19:41:28] &lt;danielsan&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/LdapifyServices<br />
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[19:41:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; danielsan, thank you!<br />
[19:42:13] &lt;danielsan&gt; h01ger: de nada<br />
[19:43:15] &lt;danielsan&gt; ok, the wikipage does not list bind9 and the bind9 bugs with patches are old, so sombody working on the powerdns stuff?<br />
[19:43:24] &lt;sep&gt; for the record: i'v been looking at the d-i trying to find out why it's skipping our udeb's. <br />
[19:43:41] * h01ger cheers sep<br />
[19:43:45] &lt;danielsan&gt; move on?<br />
[19:43:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; yup<br />
[19:43:55] &lt;sep&gt; want to have a working di before i look more at services like dns.<br />
[19:44:06] &lt;sep&gt; *poof*<br />
[19:44:13] * h01ger will try to think about asking vagrant about fetching lts.conf from ldap<br />
[19:44:20] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 3. lenny - #3.4 XO & XS hidden profiles<br />
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[19:44:48] &lt;danielsan&gt; anyone?<br />
[19:44:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; i was thinking about two more hidden profiles: XO and XS, which are the short terms for olpc-laptop (XO) and schoolserver (XS)<br />
[19:45:28] &lt;pere&gt; as profiles showing up when installing debian-edu-expert?<br />
[19:45:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; the XS profile would be quite similar to tjener/standalonenish, maybe they should be merged later, but for now, to easy start, seperated<br />
[19:45:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, yes, exactly<br />
[19:46:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; (or maybe hidden there too, but i'd suggest not to)<br />
[19:46:58] &lt;danielsan&gt; is anyone working on integrating other desktops already?<br />
[19:47:01] &lt;h01ger&gt; for the XO i want to build usbsticks anyway...<br />
[19:47:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats my next question, and yes, itais is<br />
[19:47:22] &lt;h01ger&gt; s/question/topic/ :)<br />
[19:47:35] &lt;danielsan&gt; h01ger: ah, fine<br />
[19:47:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; any objections to adding this two profiles?<br />
[19:47:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; or reservations? ;)<br />
[19:47:51] * pere has no problem with options for experts. :)<br />
[19:48:22] &lt;pere&gt; we should show them when only 'expert' is written on the boot prompt too, if it isn't already implemented.<br />
[19:48:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats implemented and used for standalone<br />
[19:48:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; aeh<br />
[19:48:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; barebon<br />
[19:48:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; e<br />
[19:50:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; so we agree i can do this like barebone and add those two hidden profiles?<br />
[19:50:20] &lt;danielsan&gt; great<br />
[19:51:07] &lt;danielsan&gt; #agreed holger will add new XO and XS hidden profiles<br />
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[19:51:46] &lt;pere&gt; it will require NEW processing of the debian-edu package.<br />
[19:52:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; why? but i dont think that will be a problem. new is fast nowadays<br />
[19:52:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; and next point anyway?<br />
[19:52:34] &lt;danielsan&gt; h01ger: do you whant to say something about desktops, or do we move on?<br />
[19:52:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats the next point<br />
[19:52:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; :)<br />
[19:52:58] &lt;andreas&gt; pere: what do you mean with new processing?<br />
[19:53:03] &lt;danielsan&gt; woops<br />
[19:53:19] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 3. lenny - #3.5 desktop hidden question (multi-select, defaults to kde, other options: gnome, xfce, sugar)<br />
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[19:53:20] &lt;pere&gt; andreas: new tasks will generate new binary packages, which will need to be accepted by the ftpmasters.<br />
[19:53:28] &lt;andreas&gt; OK<br />
[19:53:50] * danielsan is a bit confused today, sorry<br />
[19:53:54] &lt;andreas&gt; So this does actually not stop me to process current SVN to fix current bugs<br />
[19:54:01] &lt;h01ger&gt; anyway, i suggest to add another hidden question, actually two, now that i think of it again: a multiselect question (defaulting to kde) to ask which desktops to install: kde, gnome, xfce, sugar. and another question, which should be the default one (defaulting to kde) <br />
[19:54:36] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: make sense.  perhaps a boot argument 'kde', 'gnome', ..., to select the defaults for those.<br />
[19:54:46] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, "fixed in svn" is very much as good as fixed in sid, at least in my book :)<br />
[19:54:47] &lt;andreas&gt; BTW, I expect to be ftpmaster much quicker now than it used to be before<br />
[19:54:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, yup<br />
[19:54:55] &lt;pere&gt; 'install kde' and 'install gnome' would be enough to select what the user want.<br />
[19:55:17] &lt;andreas&gt; We have just a test case because todays Debian-Med update contains a new meta package<br />
[19:55:18] &lt;h01ger&gt; isnt that implemented in debian already?<br />
[19:55:22] * pere got to go in 5 minutes.<br />
[19:55:27] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: perhaps.  not sure.<br />
[19:55:35] &lt;andreas&gt; Pere: That's sad.<br />
[19:55:37] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: it was discussed a long time ago, yes.<br />
[19:55:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, new binary packages trigger new processing for sure<br />
[19:55:54] &lt;andreas&gt; I think I'll need YOU to answer my questions about tags in  tasks files<br />
[19:55:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; (i was just not aware that this would create some :)<br />
[19:56:03] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; pere, and if the user don't know what is gnome and KDE ?<br />
[19:56:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, i'll ask on #-boot<br />
[19:56:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; Blankoworld, defaults kde<br />
[19:56:22] &lt;andreas&gt; pere: WOuld you mind answering my mail on debian-edu list?<br />
[19:56:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; Blankoworld, and hidden as a expert question<br />
[19:57:02] &lt;pere&gt; andreas: which?<br />
[19:57:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; so we agree to do this to? itais will (hopefully) be happy :)<br />
[19:57:05] &lt;andreas&gt; h01ger: I regard something as fixed if it is uploaded. :-)<br />
[19:57:10] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; ok, so kde take no more memory than gnome ?<br />
[19:57:24] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: well, we can agree on implementations.  ideas are just hot air. :)<br />
[19:57:26] &lt;andreas&gt; People keep on filing the same bug over and over if not uploaded<br />
[19:57:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, right<br />
[19:57:43] &lt;pere&gt; andreas: right.  upload a fixed package and add new tasks after that?<br />
[19:58:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, point taken, esp. in the current light :)<br />
[19:58:18] &lt;andreas&gt; pere: http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2008/03/msg00025.html<br />
[19:58:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; upload early, upload often...<br />
[19:58:28] &lt;danielsan&gt; #agreed hidden questions and boot options should be added to select the desktop to install (defaults to kde)<br />
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[19:58:38] &lt;andreas&gt; Damn, nobody gave me some hugs for my work I announced there :-((<br />
[19:58:53] &lt;pere&gt; andreas: I'll try to get time for it.<br />
[19:58:54] * h01ger hugs andreas twice at least for all his cool work on this!<br />
[19:58:58] &lt;danielsan&gt; #<br />
[19:59:02] &lt;andreas&gt; :-)))))<br />
[19:59:04] * h01ger hugs andreas again<br />
[19:59:10] * pere got to go.  see you all later.<br />
[19:59:16] &lt;danielsan&gt; #idea everybody hugs andreas<br />
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[19:59:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; see ya, pere!<br />
[19:59:25] &lt;andreas&gt; :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))<br />
[19:59:32] &lt;danielsan&gt; more on this?<br />
[19:59:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, really, i often thought: wow, "cool work"<br />
[19:59:37] * alfton_hjemme hugs andreas<br />
[19:59:38] &lt;andreas&gt; It's enouth<br />
[19:59:43] &lt;andreas&gt; I'm fighting for air!<br />
[20:00:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; :)<br />
[20:00:20] &lt;danielsan&gt; move on?<br />
[20:00:20] &lt;andreas&gt; Well, we seemed to have switched topic silently.<br />
[20:00:50] &lt;andreas&gt; I'll be here for another 30min<br />
[20:00:55] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 4. www.skolelinux.org - 4.1 see also ToDo-list<br />
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[20:01:00] &lt;danielsan&gt; #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/wwwToDo<br />
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[20:01:23] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; I see that there's no translation for FR in skolinux.org<br />
[20:01:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, by looking at the list of remaining topics and seeing that list-url there again, i thought so too. speaking of which, this mail is too long to comment on ;) do you have specific questions left open?<br />
[20:01:32] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; Is it possible to do something ?<br />
[20:02:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; Blankoworld, are you french/living in .fr? and sure, the www team would love helping hands. currently its just 2-3 people, and (afaik) noone speaks french..<br />
[20:02:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; (or somewhere else where FR is spoken..)<br />
[20:02:34] &lt;andreas&gt; Yep, I need a description of the tags <br />
[20:02:52] &lt;andreas&gt; I guess they were invented by pere<br />
[20:02:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, tags as in debtags or as in?<br />
[20:03:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; ah, those norwegian words...?!<br />
[20:03:10] &lt;andreas&gt; 'Architecture'<br />
[20:03:16] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; h01ger, yes, I'm french, and I know xoswald  ;)<br />
[20:03:27] &lt;andreas&gt; Avoid, etc<br />
[20:03:30] * itais is back again for 5 minutes<br />
[20:03:38] &lt;andreas&gt; And, yes, I need a Norwegian course<br />
[20:03:52] &lt;andreas&gt; Alternatively I just kick Norwegian phrases!<br />
[20:04:03] &lt;danielsan&gt; mhh, does anyone whants to say somethink to the current topic?<br />
[20:04:57] &lt;h01ger&gt; Blankoworld, ce bon! :)<br />
[20:05:30] &lt;andreas&gt; So we need the inventor of the tags inside the tasks files and a documentation of these <br />
[20:05:39] &lt;danielsan&gt; h01ger, jever: can one of you guide Blankoworld to the right list/channel after the meering?<br />
[20:05:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; Blankoworld, it has been some time since the french team was active. it would be really really great if you could breath some new life into debian-edu.fr :)<br />
[20:05:40] &lt;andreas&gt; Preferybly in the doc file I pointed to<br />
[20:05:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, which doc file?<br />
[20:05:54] &lt;andreas&gt; Yep!<br />
[20:06:06] &lt;andreas&gt;      http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/cdd/cdd/trunk/cdd/doc/en/08_websentinel.sgml?op=file&rev=0&sc=0<br />
[20:06:17] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; I love documentation and french speaking, so it's good for me ;)<br />
[20:06:25] &lt;andreas&gt; The link is in the mail below the paragraph about the unknown tags<br />
[20:06:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, i would suggest you translate the norwegian words as best as you can and put hugs markers to the others. pere reads commit diff mails (i think) and should notice...<br />
[20:07:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; Blankoworld, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/ is translated to italian, spanish, norwegian and german, but not french ;) (see the translation chapter in there to find out more)<br />
[20:07:45] &lt;andreas&gt; Well, they are translated as best as I can (which is nothing ;-))<br />
[20:08:15] &lt;andreas&gt; Honestly, IMHO removing them does not really harm because I consider them outdated anyway.<br />
[20:08:31] &lt;andreas&gt; If pere reads the diff he will notice the removal as well ;-)<br />
[20:08:36] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; h01ger, thanks. I take a tour on this page.<br />
[20:09:01] &lt;danielsan&gt; is this still about www.skolelinux.org?<br />
[20:09:14] &lt;danielsan&gt; or should move on / finish the meeting?<br />
[20:09:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, yeah, probably just commit and send a mail announcing the change to the edu list. pere can always still revert ;)<br />
[20:09:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; danielsan, it totally drifted away<br />
[20:09:41] &lt;andreas&gt; BTW, regarding the auto generated web pages I wrote a short TODO page for Debian-Med:<br />
[20:09:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; neither jever nor akai are here today...<br />
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[20:09:45] &lt;andreas&gt; http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMedTodo<br />
[20:09:53] * danielsan was guessing so :)<br />
[20:10:20] &lt;andreas&gt; Once Debian-Edu pages are really auto generated we should write such a page as well.<br />
[20:10:24] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, i cant find a list of tags in http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/cdd/cdd/trunk/cdd/doc/en/08_websentinel.sgml?op=file&rev=0&sc=0<br />
[20:10:36] &lt;andreas&gt; Yep, this are the oney I know!<br />
[20:10:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, great, cool! <br />
[20:10:45] &lt;andreas&gt; Because they are invented by me. ;-)<br />
[20:10:56] &lt;andreas&gt; I need those who are invented by somebody else ...<br />
[20:11:20] &lt;andreas&gt; The problem is not the web sentinela<br />
[20:11:26] &lt;andreas&gt; they are notz really used here<br />
[20:11:36] &lt;andreas&gt; I need them to rewrite cdd-dev<br />
[20:11:48] &lt;andreas&gt; Petter had something in mind to generate the debian/control file<br />
[20:12:00] &lt;andreas&gt; But I don't know what and don't like to guess<br />
[20:12:12] * danielsan gives up<br />
[20:12:21] &lt;andreas&gt; danielsan: sorry<br />
[20:12:27] &lt;danielsan&gt; i can't follow on what you all say :)<br />
[20:12:33] * andreas gives one or two hugs back!<br />
[20:12:52] &lt;andreas&gt; Well, don't we talk about free software?<br />
[20:13:20] * danielsan thought we where talking about "4. www.skolelinux.org - 4.1 see also ToDo-list"<br />
[20:13:35] &lt;andreas&gt; Isn't this non-free?????<br />
[20:13:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, assemble a list of just these words, put them on paste.debian.net and harrass your friendly norwegians here<br />
[20:13:48] &lt;danielsan&gt; andreas: i hope not<br />
[20:13:53] &lt;andreas&gt; :)<br />
[20:14:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; aint we more or less done? i'd vote to move the wiki cleanup discussion to next meeting<br />
[20:14:32] * danielsan too<br />
[20:14:46] &lt;danielsan&gt; cdd-dev or next meeting next?<br />
[20:14:48] &lt;andreas&gt; h01ger: Well, I prefer a quick and harsh solution<br />
[20:15:03] &lt;andreas&gt; Well, I have 15min left.<br />
[20:15:31] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 6. cdd-dev rewrite to cope with different arch meta packages (I need input for the tags used in the tasks files, please see this posting for the tags that remain unclear)<br />
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[20:15:37] * h01ger doesnt want to continue<br />
[20:15:37] &lt;andreas&gt; (Hint for German speakers: D-Radio Kultur will have a nice aufio book at 21:30 about Icelandic Krimi)<br />
[20:15:43] &lt;danielsan&gt; #link http://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2008/03/msg00025.html<br />
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[20:15:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; 90min meetings are too long<br />
[20:15:55] &lt;andreas&gt; If you like we could continue<br />
[20:16:07] &lt;andreas&gt; Alternatively we might schedule another meeting next week<br />
[20:16:11] &lt;andreas&gt; preferably with pere<br />
[20:16:27] * danielsan would like that too<br />
[20:16:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, whats your question which is left? but keep in mind you're making the meeting longer for 40 people (or so ;)<br />
[20:16:46] &lt;danielsan&gt; as noone seems to be realy on topic :)<br />
[20:16:56] &lt;andreas&gt; I think we are 42<br />
[20:16:59] * h01ger really really likes the meeting which are done sharp in 60min. something to count on<br />
[20:17:08] &lt;andreas&gt; No, let's stop here and clarify things first.<br />
[20:17:15] &lt;andreas&gt; Short summary:<br />
[20:17:28] &lt;andreas&gt; I'll upload tomorrow current SVN<br />
[20:17:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'm fine to finish the meeting properly now and then disucss andreas topic after the meeting<br />
[20:17:42] &lt;andreas&gt; Fine for me as well<br />
[20:17:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; but we have another important topic left<br />
[20:17:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; when is the next meeting?<br />
[20:17:55] &lt;andreas&gt; Isn't everybody free to leave anyway?<br />
[20:18:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; also its better for the summary writer, to stay in topics and not discuss forever<br />
[20:18:10] &lt;andreas&gt; Yep<br />
[20:18:12] &lt;danielsan&gt; #topic 8. Next meeting?<br />
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[20:18:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; andreas, yeah, we are all volunteers...<br />
[20:18:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; in two weeks?<br />
[20:18:25] &lt;andreas&gt; Poor writer, he will never volunteer again. ;-((<br />
[20:18:54] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; ^^<br />
[20:19:12] &lt;andreas&gt; Fine for me in two weeks<br />
[20:19:20] &lt;danielsan&gt; two weeks are fine for me too<br />
[20:19:26] &lt;danielsan&gt; same time, same channel?<br />
[20:19:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; yes. but 60mins, please<br />
[20:19:42] &lt;andreas&gt; We try to sort out cdd-dev issues via list or I ask for a smaller meeting with interested persons<br />
[20:20:03] &lt;danielsan&gt; #action meet on monday 24. of march 19:00 UTC here again<br />
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[20:20:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats easter monday, btw<br />
[20:20:26] &lt;danielsan&gt; mhh<br />
[20:20:40] &lt;danielsan&gt; is that a problem for someone?<br />
[20:20:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; i dont mind, but others might<br />
[20:21:06] &lt;danielsan&gt; what are the other options?<br />
[20:21:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; a week later<br />
[20:21:17] &lt;danielsan&gt; on 31th?<br />
[20:21:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; a day later<br />
[20:21:26] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; 32 ?<br />
[20:21:28] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; ^^<br />
[20:21:33] &lt;andreas&gt; That's one day befor Aprils fools day. ;-)<br />
[20:22:01] &lt;andreas&gt; March 32th is exactly Aprils fools day.<br />
[20:22:21] &lt;danielsan&gt; so, should we go for 24th and set it a week later if nobody shows up?<br />
[20:22:34] &lt;andreas&gt; Why not<br />
[20:22:40] &lt;Blankoworld&gt; good idea<br />
[20:22:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats annoying for those who show up on the 24th<br />
[20:22:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; no<br />
[20:22:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; not good<br />
[20:23:21] &lt;danielsan&gt; so?<br />
[20:23:29] &lt;andreas&gt; So what about March 25<br />
[20:23:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; lets make it the 24th and asked on the list and decide til next week, if its the 24th or 31st<br />
[20:23:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; s/asked/ask/<br />
[20:23:45] &lt;andreas&gt; Asking list is fine<br />
[20:24:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; and definining 24th if there are no objections too<br />
[20:24:19] &lt;andreas&gt; yep<br />
[20:24:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; if there are objections, move it to the 31st?!<br />
[20:24:54] &lt;danielsan&gt; #agreed next meeting to be discoused on mailinglist, make ith 24th if no other date shows up<br />
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[20:25:48] &lt;danielsan&gt; ok, thanks all for attending<br />
[20:26:08] * h01ger waves and thanks too<br />
[20:26:14] &lt;danielsan&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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