Started logging meeting in #debian-edu, times are UTC.<br />
[19:00:47] * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen<br />
[19:00:56] * h01ger = Holger Levsen<br />
[19:01:00] * danielsan = Daniel Hess<br />
[19:01:14] * jever = Jürgen Leibner<br />
[19:01:27] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic Who moderates the meeting and who writes the summary<br />
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[19:01:53] &lt;vagrantc&gt; i can moderate, and patrick winnertz offered to write the summary ...<br />
[19:02:03] &lt;danielsan&gt; winnie: are you here?<br />
[19:03:26] &lt;vagrantc&gt; will anyone offer to write the summary if winnie doesn't ?<br />
[19:04:16] * danielsan was last time, has no time for this this time<br />
[19:04:42] &lt;vagrantc&gt; shall we just put trust in winne to read the logs and write teh summary?<br />
[19:04:45] * h01ger thinks winnie can write summary even if he is absent now :)<br />
[19:04:52] &lt;jever&gt; pere: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Etch/Requirements<br />
[19:05:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; jever, ?<br />
[19:05:31] * danielsan trusts in winnie too<br />
[19:05:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats etch ;)<br />
[19:05:32] * pere doubt any summary will be written with such belifs.<br />
[19:06:03] &lt;danielsan&gt; pere: thats an other point<br />
[19:06:03] &lt;jever&gt; h01ger: ?<br />
[19:06:08] &lt;pere&gt; jever: I believe we added ~1 GB of packages in /usr/ since etch.<br />
[19:06:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; jever, why do you mention this etch-url while we discuss the summary writer?<br />
[19:07:32] &lt;jever&gt; h01ger: because I was a little bit silly?<br />
[19:07:35] &lt;vagrantc&gt; ok, i'll offer to write the summary if winnie doesn't.<br />
[19:07:46] &lt;h01ger&gt; jever, ah. now it makes sense :)<br />
[19:07:59] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic 2.1.1 debian-edu: lenny: bugs that need fixing for release: lists of bugs<br />
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[19:08:16] &lt;vagrantc&gt; so can we get a list of bugs, without actually discussing the specific bugs?<br />
[19:08:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; we have no list other than the list on the wiki page atm<br />
[19:08:25] &lt;vagrantc&gt; URLs to bug lists would be great here.<br />
[19:08:32] * h01ger failed to put them from the wiki to bugzilla<br />
[19:08:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; but i noticed that our bugzilla doesnt send mails to the list anymore<br />
[19:08:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; of course, we could just switch to using the debian bts and file bugs there<br />
[19:09:25] * vagrantc would be in favor to using the debian bts as much as possible<br />
[19:09:47] &lt;danielsan&gt; h01ger: what if it's about a regression for you scenario of use?<br />
[19:10:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; danielsan, i dont see a regression in using the debian bts. its just a change. so far we used both. (which i always found slightly confusing)<br />
[19:11:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; though<br />
[19:11:12] &lt;danielsan&gt; mhh, no I mean, if, for example, hal does not work for our use, ...<br />
[19:11:14] * pere noticed a new bug related to the tasksel problems.  we install network-manager on a main-server+workstation install.  it is said to mess up the network.<br />
[19:11:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; the debian bts is package based and the maintainer decides severities, etc. so this wont work for us<br />
[19:11:39] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: I would recommend using bts for issues related to packages in debian, and bugzilla for everything else.<br />
[19:12:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, can you see if you can fix the mail issue then?<br />
[19:12:12] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #url http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?usertag=debian-edu@lists.debian.org&dist=testing<br />
[19:12:18] &lt;vagrantc&gt; is that useful?<br />
[19:12:24] * h01ger suggests to join #debian-lists and ask them to help<br />
[19:13:01] &lt;danielsan&gt; are they send to the list, but do not get through?<br />
[19:13:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; danielsan, i think so<br />
[19:13:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; vagrantc, yes, but there are two approaches for filing bugs as "pere noticed a new bug related to the tasksel problems.  we install network-manager on a main-server+workstation install.  it is said to mess up the network." - we could file this against debian-edu-config against the debian bts or against our bugzilla<br />
[19:13:35] &lt;danielsan&gt; wasn't it about the mail from thing?<br />
[19:13:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; typically we used to file such bugs against our bugzilla as we have trained our users to do so<br />
[19:14:13] &lt;vagrantc&gt; would it be useful to have a "virtual package" in the bts... debian-edu-release or some such?<br />
[19:14:19] &lt;vagrantc&gt; the debian bts, that is<br />
[19:14:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; danielsan, i fear so. i also fear that noone can/will fix this and we cannot rely on bugzilla.s.o as we used to<br />
[19:14:37] &lt;vagrantc&gt; then it would be easier to link debian-edu specific bugs to related bugs in the rest of the debian bts<br />
[19:14:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; vagrantc, we could "hijack" the debian-edu package<br />
[19:14:58] &lt;vagrantc&gt; h01ger: well, since that's an actual package, that seems a bad idea<br />
[19:14:58] &lt;danielsan&gt; h01ger: well all of drift should be able to fix, no?<br />
[19:15:18] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: I suspect the problem with email out from bugzilla is the same old one, where the mail server reject it because the sender is bogus.<br />
[19:15:20] &lt;vagrantc&gt; i guess, without knowing what list of bugs we have, my proposed agenda doesn't really work...<br />
[19:15:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; vagrantc, the issue is really we trained our users to use bugs.s.o and now its broken. using another bugtracker is a bad workaround and i'm sorry to have brought this up :)<br />
[19:15:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, yes. so this needs to be fixed<br />
[19:16:04] &lt;vagrantc&gt; h01ger: it does seem a bit off-topic, yes.<br />
[19:16:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; (vagrantc such a pseudo package might still be a good idea some day/time :)<br />
[19:16:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; +,<br />
[19:16:49] &lt;vagrantc&gt; so do folks just want to list the outstanding bugs that they know of that must be fixed before release?<br />
[19:16:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, can you fix the bogus sender?<br />
[19:17:27] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: I suspect I got the privileges, but doubt I will find time to try to figure what is going on.<br />
[19:17:49] &lt;danielsan&gt; fix tasksel to not include the standard debian tasks (should be fixed in debian-edu package)<br />
[19:17:50] &lt;pere&gt; this was fixed earlier, I believe.  not sure by whom.<br />
[19:18:20] &lt;pere&gt; danielsan: yeah, the standard and desktop tasks should not be enabled by default, if we are to get only the packages we want.<br />
[19:18:36] * h01ger thinks its as pointless to chase bugs without a bugtracker as to hold meetings without a summary writer. i'm sending a comment with some quotes from this log to the rt ticket<br />
[19:19:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; though, oh, well, we have a bugtracker. its just a bit broken. <br />
[19:20:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny up2date? /me adds the new tasksle problem there now<br />
[19:20:51] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #url http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny<br />
[19:21:23] * vagrantc nots that it's #link<br />
[19:21:34] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: I believe some of the issues listed on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny are fixed now.<br />
[19:21:42] * h01ger notes it works just with http://<br />
[19:21:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, can you update the page, please?!<br />
[19:22:21] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: not sure enough to remove entries.  would need to verify it with a install.<br />
[19:22:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; mark them as "likely fixed, needs verify"?<br />
[19:22:41] &lt;vagrantc&gt; pere: can you flag ones you *think* might be fixed and need confirmation?<br />
[19:22:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, verifying is an easy job for someone else :)<br />
[19:22:56] &lt;pere&gt; vagrantc: ok, will add something like that.<br />
[19:24:35] &lt;pere&gt; flagged.<br />
[19:24:44] &lt;vagrantc&gt; the next agenda items i had were to prioritize and triage bugs, discuss specific bugs if needed, and see if anyone wanted to work on any of the discussed bugs<br />
[19:25:07] &lt;danielsan&gt; pere: thanks<br />
[19:25:36] &lt;vagrantc&gt; looks much more hopeful with those flagged :)<br />
[19:25:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; maybe we can add a line two the issues section on that page now. move the ones we need to fix for a release above the line, and the rest below<br />
[19:25:55] &lt;pere&gt; who did a test install lately?  I did a simple one yesterday, but did not have time to look at the result.<br />
[19:26:19] * vagrantc is doing a second one with a larger disk<br />
[19:26:23] * danielsan one last week<br />
[19:26:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; (there are some shoulds in the list, of which i'm not sure if they are ment as "must" or not..)<br />
[19:26:36] &lt;danielsan&gt; or so, but manly to see the tasksel stuff<br />
[19:26:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; (there are some "shoulds" in the list, of which i'm not sure if they are ment as "must" or not..)<br />
[19:26:55] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: I suspect most of the are musts. :)<br />
[19:27:19] &lt;vagrantc&gt; maybe "possibly fixed, needs confirmation" would be a good category as well ...<br />
[19:28:22] &lt;pere&gt; I suspect a lot of problems will be found with testing, like the ltsp issue reported on the mailing list.<br />
[19:29:07] &lt;danielsan&gt; yeah, we need more testing<br />
[19:29:35] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic 2.1 debian-edu: lenny: bugs that need fixing for release<br />
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[19:30:09] &lt;vagrantc&gt; any more to discuss regarding bugs?<br />
[19:31:30] &lt;vagrantc&gt; ok, moving on...<br />
[19:31:47] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic 2.2 debian-edu: lenny: features needed before release<br />
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[19:32:15] &lt;vagrantc&gt; are there any feature regressions from the previous release? any must-have features for this next release?<br />
[19:32:17] &lt;pere&gt; I believe we need  to get the LDAP-ified services completed.  it means moving dns to fetch data from LDAP, and tools to update LDAP.<br />
[19:32:18] * h01ger split the list into "Issues which we need to fix for a release" and "Issues which we like to fix for a release" <br />
[19:32:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; we can now adjust those lists :)<br />
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[19:32:41] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Status/Lenny<br />
[19:32:45] &lt;pere&gt; the hybrid we have now (DHCP from LDAP, DNS from files) is not very user friendly.<br />
[19:32:59] &lt;pere&gt; admins should not have to update both LDAP and files to add a host.<br />
[19:33:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; dnsmasq was the dnsserver which works with ldap? <br />
[19:33:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; or was there another option?<br />
[19:34:23] &lt;pere&gt; also, I believe we need to get the PXE booting to work for DVD installs too.  it involves making the pxe d-i images available on the DVD and making them available after installation.<br />
[19:34:32] &lt;pere&gt; (like creating a pxe d-i image package to install)<br />
[19:34:46] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: I am not sure which server itais is using in spain, but guess it can be used.<br />
[19:35:17] &lt;pere&gt; there is also a list of changes done in extremadura, which we should probably add to the default install.<br />
[19:35:43] &lt;jever&gt; will nscd be used further?<br />
[19:35:49] &lt;pere&gt; #url http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/ChangesForLTSPinLinex<br />
[19:36:00] &lt;pere&gt; jever: I believe ist is required with LDAP.<br />
[19:36:28] &lt;jever&gt; it would be fine if nscd can be dropped<br />
[19:37:24] &lt;danielsan&gt; should work without, but would higher the load on ldap<br />
[19:37:50] &lt;jever&gt; better higher load as confused workstations<br />
[19:37:58] &lt;danielsan&gt; there are no secret informations for nss ldap module, so everyone should be able to use it directly<br />
[19:38:29] &lt;pere&gt; jever: also, it form the core of the disconnected workstation setup<br />
[19:38:32] &lt;pere&gt; #url http://www.flyn.org/laptopldap/laptopldap.html<br />
[19:38:52] &lt;jever&gt; mmh<br />
[19:39:05] * h01ger is on the phone with zobel atm.. sorry<br />
[19:39:13] &lt;pere&gt; jever: you seem to assume that nscd is bad.  not sure why.<br />
[19:40:26] &lt;jever&gt; I noticed sometimes confused workstations because of false nameserver answers after nslookups <br />
[19:41:29] &lt;jever&gt; and after the cache expires and gets refreshed the failure aare gone<br />
[19:42:00] &lt;pere&gt; perhaps dns caching should be turned off?<br />
[19:42:10] &lt;jever&gt; I never could establish a reproduceable szenario so I didn't report a bug<br />
[19:42:38] &lt;jever&gt; pere: maybe the cache time is too long<br />
[19:43:01] &lt;pere&gt; jever: yeah.  only the info fetched from ldap should be cached.<br />
[19:43:09] &lt;vagrantc&gt; ok, 18 minutes left, and 3 items left on the agenda: usbstick, lenny boot options, next meeting<br />
[19:43:27] &lt;vagrantc&gt; not including the feature discussion<br />
[19:43:34] &lt;vagrantc&gt; wrap up features now?<br />
[19:44:26] * danielsan guesses that we need to talk about some points again next time anyway<br />
[19:45:30] &lt;pere&gt; I noticed a devcamp planned for the weekend around december 6th.<br />
[19:45:42] &lt;pere&gt; in oslo.  saw it mentioned on irc yesterday. <br />
[19:46:23] &lt;pere&gt; it could be a nice place to discuss it.<br />
[19:46:35] &lt;vagrantc&gt; ok<br />
[19:46:46] &lt;vagrantc&gt; who added the usbstick image item ?<br />
[19:47:14] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic usbstick images<br />
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[19:47:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; back<br />
[19:47:36] * h01ger wonders if we can build usbstick images<br />
[19:47:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; would be very handy _and_ trendy :)<br />
[19:47:46] &lt;danielsan&gt; h01ger: live ones?<br />
[19:47:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; no<br />
[19:47:52] &lt;danielsan&gt; or for install?<br />
[19:47:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; installation<br />
[19:47:57] &lt;danielsan&gt; ah<br />
[19:48:00] &lt;pere&gt; anyone know how to do it?<br />
[19:48:12] &lt;pere&gt; I would love such image myself. :)<br />
[19:48:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; its described in the d-i manual<br />
[19:48:22] &lt;pere&gt; anyone got time to do it?<br />
[19:48:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; we just need to add our preseeding, i think<br />
[19:48:44] &lt;vagrantc&gt; pretty much just have to add the CD/DVD .iso to a usb stick and cobble together a boot loader<br />
[19:49:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; right<br />
[19:49:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; but thats all in the manual<br />
[19:49:52] * h01ger has done sticks for himself, its really easy. i just would like to have automated edu sticks :)<br />
[19:49:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; and i dont have time to do those<br />
[19:50:17] &lt;vagrantc&gt; i'll look into it if i can, but no promises :)<br />
[19:50:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; :)<br />
[19:50:46] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic ltsp boot options<br />
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[19:50:54] &lt;vagrantc&gt; i guess this really is just a bug we need to keep track of<br />
[19:51:08] &lt;vagrantc&gt; i'm installing an ltsp server now, and can look into the issue<br />
[19:51:11] &lt;pere&gt; vagrantc: yeah.  please commit a fix.  I hope it will get my qemu client booting. :)<br />
[19:51:28] &lt;vagrantc&gt; pere: i mostly test with virtualbox-ose ... but i can also test with qemu<br />
[19:51:49] &lt;pere&gt; vagrantc: well, if it work in virtualbox, I expect it to work in qemu too.<br />
[19:52:20] &lt;vagrantc&gt; BOOTPROMPT_OPTS is customized for debian-edu, and it's missing a boot=nfs ... i'm pretty sure it's a real bug, will confirm it and try to fix it.<br />
[19:52:45] &lt;pere&gt; vagrantc: notice the pxe setup script.  it also set ltsp boot params.<br />
[19:52:54] &lt;vagrantc&gt; yes<br />
[19:53:18] &lt;vagrantc&gt; with 8 minutes left, i think we can move on to the talk of the developer gathering coming up?<br />
[19:53:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; you're the moderator :) (but i agree)<br />
[19:53:49] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic developer gathering in oslo, dec 6th<br />
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[19:54:27] &lt;vagrantc&gt; pere: care to elaborate?<br />
[19:54:53] &lt;pere&gt; #url http://www.friprogramvareiskolen.no/Styret/Referater/2008-11-18<br />
[19:55:09] &lt;pere&gt; found it in the summary from the member organization board meeting from yesterday.<br />
[19:55:47] &lt;pere&gt; in short, it state that there are plans to hold the yearly general assembly december 6th, and hold a devcamp that weekend.<br />
[19:56:18] &lt;pere&gt; I guess akai jorgenhg Werner and the rest of the board know more.<br />
[19:56:51] &lt;pere&gt; it state that akai will announce it via email today.<br />
[19:56:55] * an3as = Andreas<br />
[19:56:57] &lt;an3as&gt; Hi<br />
[19:57:13] &lt;vagrantc&gt; ok, so we should hear more on that later<br />
[19:57:30] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic next meeting?<br />
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[19:57:35] &lt;pere&gt; yeah.  just wanted to make sure everyone knew about it.<br />
[19:57:39] * h01ger thinks its a pity its so short term notice again<br />
[19:57:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; i probably wont make it again :(<br />
[19:58:08] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: there is also one planned for january in trondheim.<br />
[19:58:15] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: I agree.<br />
[19:58:40] &lt;pere&gt; someone with more spare time should help plan and organize devcamps.<br />
[19:58:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; pere, when will those dates for january be available?<br />
[19:59:01] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic developer gathering in oslo, dec 6th<br />
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[19:59:03] &lt;pere&gt; both jorgenhg, Werner, jemtland  and me got small kids and are just to busy.<br />
[19:59:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; and .oO( trondheim in january, whoohoo :)<br />
[19:59:29] &lt;pere&gt; h01ger: the summary states january 23.-25. or 30.-1. februar<br />
[19:59:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; whoohoo for those 4 kids too :)<br />
[19:59:31] &lt;an3as&gt; Is there any topic for Trindheim?<br />
[19:59:43] &lt;an3as&gt; s/Trindheim/Trondheim/<br />
[20:00:01] &lt;vagrantc&gt; 1 minute left to discuss ...<br />
[20:00:04] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #topic next meeting<br />
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[20:00:13] &lt;an3as&gt; I'm considering to join a meeting in the not so far future to sort out some cdd -> blends stuff and more webtools<br />
[20:00:25] &lt;pere&gt; #url http://www.friprogramvareiskolen.no/Gathering<br />
[20:00:41] &lt;danielsan&gt; Wednessdays seem to be fine for most people<br />
[20:00:53] &lt;pere&gt; wednesday isn't to bad for me.<br />
[20:01:09] &lt;vagrantc&gt; wednesdays are pretty good for me.<br />
[20:01:11] &lt;an3as&gt; As I said I'll be out of my house on Wednesdays until 20:00<br />
[20:01:18] &lt;an3as&gt; But this should be no problem<br />
[20:01:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; wednesdays work for me as well<br />
[20:01:29] &lt;an3as&gt; My participation is at quite low level<br />
[20:01:59] &lt;vagrantc&gt; would it work to have a slightly longer than usual meeting, to get an3as in on the tail end of the meeting?<br />
[20:02:09] &lt;vagrantc&gt; or slightly later<br />
[20:02:15] &lt;pere&gt; 21:00 CET is OK with me, if we want get an3as to show up.<br />
[20:02:16] &lt;an3as&gt; ... or shifting by 15 min?<br />
[20:02:24] &lt;danielsan&gt; 20:00 UTC is not ok for someone?<br />
[20:03:04] &lt;danielsan&gt; an3as: then you could not write the summary :)<br />
[20:03:13] &lt;an3as&gt; pere: The URL says only POSTPONED for Trondheim<br />
[20:03:17] &lt;danielsan&gt; or moderate the meeting<br />
[20:03:27] &lt;vagrantc&gt; december 10th would be 3 weeks out<br />
[20:03:29] &lt;an3as&gt; danielsan: No, sorry :-)<br />
[20:03:33] &lt;an3as&gt; But nice try!<br />
[20:04:04] &lt;an3as&gt; And I stay rather in the background and not as moderator.<br />
[20:04:12] &lt;pere&gt; an3as: yeah, but the board meeting summary from yesterday said it was going to happen in january.  I do not know more.<br />
[20:04:20] &lt;an3as&gt; OK<br />
[20:04:27] * vagrantc thinks moderators *should* be in the background, able to focus on the meeting rather than the content<br />
[20:04:32] * danielsan is ok with 10th of december 20:00 utc<br />
[20:04:35] &lt;pere&gt; des 3. or 17. is better for me.  <br />
[20:04:55] &lt;pere&gt; suspect I will be busy being social with h01ger who is in norway the 10th.<br />
[20:05:34] &lt;an3as&gt; What I wanted to ask the audience: Anybody had visited the bugs pages for Debian Edu?  It is helpful? Any wishlist bugs?<br />
[20:05:34] * danielsan is fine with 3th oder 17th too<br />
[20:05:39] &lt;vagrantc&gt; december 3rd, 20:00 UTC ?<br />
[20:05:52] &lt;vagrantc&gt; since we're close to a release, 4 weeks out might be a little on the late side of things<br />
[20:06:02] &lt;an3as&gt; In first week of september I'm in Munich - probably offline.<br />
[20:06:12] &lt;danielsan&gt; an3as: only shortly, looked nice, but did not try to use it productivly <br />
[20:06:15] &lt;an3as&gt; So 3rd December is not good for me<br />
[20:06:22] * h01ger thinks dec 3rd is good<br />
[20:06:22] &lt;vagrantc&gt; ah.<br />
[20:06:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; if 10th doesnt work<br />
[20:06:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; 17th is really late again<br />
[20:06:35] &lt;an3as&gt; 10th is OK for me<br />
[20:06:54] &lt;pere&gt; an3as: yes, the bug page is helpful.<br />
[20:06:57] &lt;an3as&gt; But as I said previousely: Do not count that much on my presence<br />
[20:08:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; 10th is probably unlikely for pere and me<br />
[20:08:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; but then, i wouldnt mind to much to socialice and have a meeting part of the socialice time ;)<br />
[20:08:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; but 3rd would work better<br />
[20:09:56] &lt;an3as&gt; I'd suggest 3rd *and* 17th.  There is not much harm done if I'm absent at 3rd<br />
[20:10:10] &lt;vagrantc&gt; sounds reasonable...<br />
[20:10:39] * vagrantc is a little wondering what the decision-making process really is here<br />
[20:11:08] &lt;danielsan&gt; vagrantc: the one who does decides<br />
[20:11:12] &lt;danielsan&gt; :)<br />
[20:11:16] &lt;an3as&gt; Do-O-cracy? ;-)<br />
[20:11:21] &lt;vagrantc&gt; since we're 10 minutes over, let's just call it the 3rd, 20:00 UTC, and tentatively plan on the 17th as well ?<br />
[20:11:41] &lt;vagrantc&gt; so whoever meets, whenever they decide to meet ...<br />
[20:11:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; 3+17th sounds good to me<br />
[20:11:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; very good even<br />
[20:12:05] &lt;vagrantc&gt; i think so.<br />
[20:12:05] &lt;danielsan&gt; vagrantc: say so, next meeting on 3rd and put 17th as suggestion on the agenda<br />
[20:12:06] &lt;pere&gt; ack.<br />
[20:12:14] &lt;h01ger&gt; vagrantc, you're the chair, you're the do'er here<br />
[20:12:29] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #agreed next meeting 3rd, 20:00 UTC, tentatively the 17th as well<br />
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[20:12:32] &lt;vagrantc&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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