19:01:31 <h01ger> #startmeeting 19:01:31 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Dec 21 19:01:31 2009 UTC. The chair is h01ger. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:01:31 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:12 <h01ger> #topic everybody says hi - h01ger suggests a basically free flowing meeting, where we can talk about remaining blockers and work on them :-) 19:02:20 * h01ger = Holger Levsen 19:02:21 * jever = Jürgen Leibner 19:02:26 * pere = Petter Reinholdtsen 19:02:39 <h01ger> http://tinyurl.com/edulenny-releaseview-1 19:02:43 * pere fail to see the point of a meeting if we are going to behave as it is a freeflowing irc chat. 19:02:54 <h01ger> is the topic i suggest 19:03:13 <h01ger> but i can turn this into a regular agenda, np 19:03:42 <debalance_> debalance = Philipp Huebner+ 19:03:43 * h01ger edits http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting - hold on please :) 19:03:50 * debalance_ = Philipp Huebner 19:04:02 * vagrantc = Vagrant Cascadian 19:04:08 * debalance = Philipp Huebner 19:04:11 <debalance> sorry for the noise 19:04:40 <f1ash> \me Andi Mundt 19:05:41 <h01ger> hi f1ash! 19:05:51 <f1ash> hi all! 19:05:56 <h01ger> f1ash, how's your involvement here? </curious> 19:06:05 <h01ger> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Meeting has a agenda now 19:06:16 <h01ger> #topic who writes summary? 19:06:22 <h01ger> #topic 2. who writes summary? 19:06:23 <f1ash> going to start with more involvement... 19:07:44 <h01ger> summary-writer, anyone? 19:09:17 <vagrantc> i'll do it 19:09:21 <h01ger> cool 19:09:30 <h01ger> #info vagrantc will write summary \o/ 19:09:52 <h01ger> #topic 3. lenny status: http://tinyurl.com/edulenny-releaseview-1 19:10:06 <h01ger> #topic 3.1 lenny status: #1376: Removable media (like usb sticks) inserted into ltsp server show up on ltsp clients 19:10:14 <h01ger> pere posted some info to the bug today.. 19:10:41 * pere asked martin pitt for ideas, and he had some clues and was going to place his comment into bugzilla laster (he had to leave for dinner). 19:11:17 <pere> one thing to note is that the is_local flag in consolekit is correct for thin client users, and thus should not get the messages if it was only sent to local users. 19:11:37 <pere> ck-list-sessions lists consolekit status. 19:11:54 * h01ger notes that last meeting we agreed that documenting this issue is enough to make it p3 - and iirc i volunteered to do that. /me checks 19:12:47 <pere> yes. just wanted to see if a little effort could fix it in time for the release. 19:13:01 * h01ger nods. fixing it would be great, for sure! 19:13:09 <h01ger> #topic 3.2 1383: usernames are caseinsensitive during login 19:13:26 <h01ger> #info still waiting for the maintainer upload scheduled for this weekend 19:13:31 <h01ger> aeh, wait 19:14:19 <pere> ? 19:14:24 <h01ger> its monday 19:15:05 <pere> so perhaps arthur did not make it this weekend, or perhaps it already happened... 19:15:30 <h01ger> http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=adejong@debian.org says its there \o/ 19:16:03 <h01ger> http://release.debian.org/proposed-updates/stable_diffs/nss-ldapd_0.6.7.2.debdiff has the debdiff \o/ 19:16:15 <pere> great. 19:16:26 <pere> any idea how long it will take before it is in lenny? 19:16:32 <h01ger> pere, can you take that debdiff and do an upload to lenny-test? 19:16:49 * h01ger doesnt know when the next lenny pointrelease is planned 19:16:56 <h01ger> so 1-28 days :-/ 19:17:09 <pere> h01ger: I will see if I find time to do that. had other things on my todo list. 19:17:12 <h01ger> so i would suggest to upload 0.6.7.2~edu1 19:17:20 <h01ger> anybody else? 19:17:36 <h01ger> its taking the diff, building on stable and upload :-P 19:17:45 <h01ger> (and writing debian/changelog :) 19:17:47 <vagrantc> i can do that 19:17:54 <vagrantc> or at least try 19:17:59 <h01ger> vagrantc, thanks 19:18:28 <h01ger> #info vagrantc will try to do an upload of nss-ldapd 0.6.7.2~edu1 to our archive 19:18:51 <h01ger> #topic 3.3 lenny status: #1398: DHCP server stops unexpectedly after less then 24 hours 19:19:04 <h01ger> pere? 19:19:14 * pere made a patch I hope will solve it, but lack the means to test it. 19:19:32 <pere> it protects the ldap search command with code to ignore SIGPIPE. 19:19:37 <h01ger> OleA, debalance: can you test this patch? pere provides .debs even :) 19:19:51 <pere> similar code was already in place for the ldap close command. 19:20:20 <pere> if the patch work, we should ask the maintainer to upload a fix in lenny and unstable. 19:20:33 * h01ger nods 19:20:36 <debalance> I need a amd64 package or the source package to build it myself 19:20:49 <pere> if the patch do not work, we should continue with the plan to restart dhcpd in static mode. 19:20:56 <pere> debalance: the source package is next to the deb. 19:21:07 <debalance> okay, i'll build and install it 19:21:17 <h01ger> #info debalance will try peres patch and report back 19:21:30 <h01ger> pere, thats also all in the debian bts already? 19:21:43 <pere> h01ger: yes. 19:21:57 <h01ger> \o/ 19:22:04 <h01ger> #topic 3.4 lenny status: #1404: Gnash are filling up .xsession-errors 19:22:22 <pere> h01ger: you first? 19:22:29 <h01ger> #info debian bug has a patch which was approved by SRM. h01ger will upload to s-p-u 19:22:40 <h01ger> #info (with maintainer approval) 19:22:53 <debalance> pere: could you give me the link again? already deleted the mail 19:23:18 <h01ger> debalance, http://bugs.debian.org/559160 19:23:20 <pere> #link http://people.skolelinux.org/~pere/debian/packages/lenny/ 19:23:27 <h01ger> right :) 19:23:46 <h01ger> pere, you can give links to MeetBot with or without #link :) 19:23:59 <pere> I've been in contact with gnash upstream (Rob Savoy), which seem to be interested in maintaining the latest upstream version of gnash in Debian Edu. 19:24:30 <pere> Given that the latest gnash is needed to get more sites working, I believe this is a good idea. 19:24:42 <h01ger> cheers! did you ask him whether it needs other backports? 19:24:43 <vagrantc> debian-edu-volatile? 19:24:55 <h01ger> debian-volatile? 19:24:58 <h01ger> :) 19:25:07 <pere> h01ger: nope, but he said they were already making lenny versions. 19:25:17 * h01ger thinks that newer gnash would be good for debian lenny too 19:25:20 <h01ger> nice 19:25:28 <pere> I'll keep debian-edu@ on CC for the conversation. 19:25:43 <h01ger> pere, thank you! 19:25:44 <h01ger> #topic 3.5 lenny status: #1370: sound should work on thin clients 19:25:46 <pere> suspect rob have unrealistic expectations on how much work is needed, but we will see. 19:25:47 * jever thinks he is called 'Rob Savoye' 19:25:56 <pere> jever: could be. :P) 19:26:01 * h01ger apologies for being so fast 19:26:21 <h01ger> #1370? :-D 19:26:36 <pere> I've read a bit on pulseaudio and sound systems, but is no-where near understanding of the issues. 19:27:03 <pere> need someone with test equipment to test whatever I come up with. 19:27:20 <h01ger> pere, you can use sound with virtualbox very nicely 19:27:42 <pere> itais told me that his home-made gnome ltsp installation uses pulseaudio without problems 19:27:52 * h01ger too - doing a full tjener with latest lenny-test dvd atm.. 19:27:59 <pere> without a /etc/asound.conf file, which I suspected was needed to get alsa applications to use pulseaudio. 19:28:22 <pere> itais is not using the current debian-edu gnome installation, so we do not know if that is working or not. 19:28:22 <debalance> I have an older laptop I can use as a TC, sound works there when doing a pure lenny ltsp-build-client 19:28:53 <pere> debalance: great. which applications? audacity and the mplayer browser plugin are good test cases. 19:29:04 <pere> sound already work with KDE and gcompris. 19:29:09 <debalance> only checked webradio using iceweasel and xine so far 19:29:10 <vagrantc> applications which support pulseaudio directly (most of GNOME) will probably work without asound.conf 19:29:19 <pere> I am starting to suspect that KDE is supposed to use esd with pulseaudio. 19:29:20 <vagrantc> but other applications still need a compatibility layet 19:29:22 <vagrantc> layer 19:29:41 <vagrantc> i think alsa is going to be a better bet than esd 19:29:59 <pere> vagrantc: how is the ltsp clients getting the pulseaudio stream from the server? 19:30:14 <pere> how is it selected? I only find the ESOUND environment varialbe pointing to the client. 19:30:21 * vagrantc looks 19:31:09 <vagrantc> PULSE_SERVER environment variable 19:31:10 <pere> we could add pulseaudio entries in /etc/asound.conf for ALSA, and then set a environment variable to use it when clients log in. 19:31:29 <vagrantc> ldm should set PULSE_SERVER 19:31:30 <pere> vagrantc: did not see it when I tested a ltsp login. 19:31:54 <vagrantc> is debian-edu tweaking lts.conf ? 19:32:04 <vagrantc> defaults are *definitely* to use pulseaudio 19:32:21 <pere> vagrantc: yes. 19:32:46 <pere> [Default] 19:32:46 <pere> NBD_SWAP=Y 19:32:46 <pere> SOUND=Y 19:32:46 <pere> LOCALDEV=Y 19:32:46 <pere> SCREEN_07=ldm 19:33:09 <pere> I suspect we could drop it, but have not tested it. 19:33:47 <pere> anyway, sound like debalance, vagrantc and me should continue looking into this. 19:34:03 <pere> I added some URLs to bugzilla. 19:34:58 <debalance> wow, dhcp3-server-ldap is definitely not lintian-clean ^^ 19:36:09 <h01ger> debalance, just run lintian on the old package and compare with debdiff.... 19:36:34 <h01ger> anything left to say to #1370 now? 19:36:39 <pere> vagrantc: do you know if these lts.conf entries are still needed? The last one is inserted for diskless workstations, no idea why. 19:36:48 <pere> (do not remember why we added it) 19:37:01 <vagrantc> pere: only NBD_SWAP. other's are defaults. 19:37:13 <debalance> h01ger: http://lintian.debian.org/maintainer/apollock@debian.org.html#dhcp3 ;) the rest comes from pere's changes regarding the revision and such stuff 19:37:20 <pere> vagrantc: right. debalance please test without these entries in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf 19:37:21 <vagrantc> pere: ah, SCREEN_07=ldm is also needed 19:37:23 * janr thinks lts.conf is needed to enable local swap on diskless workstations 19:37:42 <vagrantc> pere: if a display manager (kdm/gdm/xdm) is installed in the chroot 19:37:58 <pere> vagrantc: right. kdm is installed. 19:38:17 <vagrantc> pere: but sound and localdev are the defaults, i believe. 19:38:26 <vagrantc> pere: a little hard to keep track of older LTSP versions in my head. 19:38:49 <pere> vagrantc: right. if someone can confirm that sound and local devices still work without these, I want to remove them. 19:39:01 <h01ger> pere, for squeeze? 19:39:22 <pere> for lenny, to reduce the upgrade problems and limit how much we edit using cfengine. 19:39:28 <pere> if they are useless, we should remove them. 19:39:39 <debalance> pere, is it enough if I install the dhcp3-server-ldap package? or should I install -server and -common too? 19:39:43 <h01ger> ah, its a diverge from debian.. 19:39:52 <pere> debalance: should be enough with the -ldap package. 19:40:25 <h01ger> anyway, as cross discussions start, i suggest to move on.. 19:40:46 <h01ger> #info 1370 still needs attention 19:40:51 <pere> there are two cfengine rules to edit etc/resolv.conf and etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf on thin clients. I suspect both are obsolete now, but have not had time to test it. 19:41:06 <h01ger> #topic 3.6 lenny status: #1407: Package education-workstation not installed on workstation profile 19:41:18 * h01ger believes this is fixed and just said so in bugzilla 19:41:21 <pere> did anyone verify that report? 19:41:29 <h01ger> not yet 19:41:42 * h01ger will try to 19:42:13 <pere> I suspect it is fixed too, or based on some misunderstanding (we use tasksel tasks and not metapackages, but install the metapackage too I believe). 19:42:38 <h01ger> #topic 4. alpha2 news+issues 19:42:50 <h01ger> sep released it today \o/ 19:43:12 <pere> great 19:43:32 <h01ger> did someone test it yet? 19:43:38 <pere> but I believe we should work more on the text when announcing new versions, explaining more on what was changed. 19:43:53 <pere> every change for the better give people motivation to test it. :) 19:44:15 <pere> I have not tested it yet. 19:44:37 * h01ger nods (write shiny announcements) 19:46:11 <pere> I believe we should wait at least one week for the next release, to give some time for testers to provide feedback. 19:46:44 * h01ger thinks a news years eve RC1 is a nice idea 19:47:05 <h01ger> maybe with zero p2 bugs! </daydream> 19:47:24 <pere> yeah, would be great. but as usual, I suspect testing will expose some fatal bugs. 19:47:28 <h01ger> exceptfor 1370 we maybe have tackled them all \o/ 19:47:55 <h01ger> #topic 5. rc1 for xmas or new years eve? 19:48:36 <vagrantc> i'd be inclined to the latter ... otherwise it makes the alpha2 kinda pointless 19:48:47 <h01ger> #info maybe for new years eve indeed: except for 1370 all p2 bugs are being well worked on. sometime between alpha2 and rc1 should be given, also to write a nice announcement, motivating testers 19:48:52 <pere> yes, and if new RC bugs show up, we might have to make alpha3. 19:49:15 <pere> but it look very good at the moment, I must admit. :) 19:50:11 * h01ger is happy with the progress too! 19:50:27 <h01ger> #topic 6. any other business? 19:51:14 <pere> is the translation status for the installation and documentation good? when we are getting close to release, we should poke translators again and give them a deadline. 19:51:44 <h01ger> we are close to a release :) and at least the docs can be always updated easily 19:51:44 <pere> we should also make sure someone did a norwegian bokmål and nynorsk installation, as well as german, french and spanish. 19:52:06 <h01ger> #info <pere> is the translation status for the installation and documentation good? when we are getting close to release, we should poke translators again and give them a deadline. we should also make sure someone did a norwegian bokmål and nynorsk installation, as well as german, french and spanish. 19:52:31 <pere> I do bokmål installs. who are doing nynorsk, german, frensh and spanish? 19:52:39 * h01ger always tests in german unless to report bugs 19:52:48 <debalance> same with me 19:53:01 <pere> is the spell checker set to use german then? 19:53:12 * h01ger hasnt checked 19:54:28 <h01ger> while i think we should test this (and fix if needed), i also think this is not necessarily p2, unless in all languages ;) i'd like to aim at a point release 2month after the release 19:54:31 <pere> there used to be a bug there, I hope it was fixed. 19:54:44 <pere> yeah. 19:54:49 <h01ger> #topic 7. next meeting 19:55:13 <h01ger> next tuesday? (cause itais cant join on mondays..) 19:55:17 <pere> OOo get norwegian bokmål spell checking by default, at least. :) 19:55:37 <pere> I'm in transit next tuesday, might make it for the evening. 19:56:26 <pere> any protests for next tuesday? 19:56:37 <debalance> pere: needed to install all 3 dhcp packages due to exactly versioned depends 19:56:54 * debalance has installed the new dhcp packages on i386 ltspserver and amd64 tjener now 19:56:55 <h01ger> #agreed next meeting, tuesday 29th of decembre, 20 UTC / 19 CET 19:57:09 <debalance> the other way round, right? 19:57:17 <pere> yeah. 19:57:24 <pere> 19 UTC / 20 CET 19:57:32 * h01ger thanks everybody for particpating and getting a rockin' release out! 19:57:47 <h01ger> #agreed corrected: next meeting, tuesday 29th of decembre, 19 UTC / 20 CET 19:58:03 <pere> great. 19:58:10 * h01ger specially thanks vagrantc for writing the summary! :) 19:58:13 <pere> debalance: do you know how to test the new dhcpd server? 19:58:34 <debalance> pere: is there anything special? 19:58:45 <debalance> installed the new packages, changed setting back to dynamic and restarted dhcpd 19:58:47 * vagrantc hopes to do better than in the past 19:59:04 <pere> debalance: to trigger the bug, the server need to be unused for several hours, and then used by a client again. 19:59:30 <debalance> well, the installation had this problem in the past over night, so I expect it to happen again if the bug is not fixed 19:59:33 <pere> debalance: the LDAP connection need to time out / be disconnected by the server to trigger the bug. 19:59:44 <pere> debalance: unless there are more clients on the network now. 19:59:49 <debalance> not really 20:00:00 <h01ger> #endmeeting