19:00:13 #startmeeting 19:00:13 Meeting started Wed May 20 19:00:13 2026 UTC. The chair is waldi. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:13 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:21 welcome to todays meeting everyone 19:00:26 #chair bwh carnil ukleinek 19:00:26 Current chairs: bwh carnil ukleinek waldi 19:00:27 hi 19:00:29 Hi 19:00:45 anything we should discuss first? 19:01:28 Do we want to apply the Bluetooth regression fix without waiting for stable? 19:01:32 o/, nothing on my radar to discuss upfront 19:01:36 i have something i wanted to give some report on, clang 19:01:48 #topic bluetooth regression in stable 19:02:09 I suppose that will show up in the bug section anyway, so no need to discuss it earlier actually :-) 19:02:15 okay 19:02:19 #topic clang status 19:02:31 bluetooth should be #1136790 at al 19:02:37 i had the action to take a look at clang 19:02:54 it is actually quite easy, as clang is a single instance all targets setup 19:03:03 but one showstopper: no multi-arch 19:03:29 #link https://salsa.debian.org/kernel-team/linux/-/merge_requests/1940 19:03:58 03kernel-sec 05pipeline 06Salvatore Bonaccorso 1091589 * [3 minutes and 53 seconds] 03success (issue-syntax: success; python-static: success; pages: success) 19:03:58 03kernel-sec 05pipeline 06Salvatore Bonaccorso 1091589 * [3 minutes and 53 seconds] running (issue-syntax: success; python-static: success; pages: success) 19:04:02 03kernel-sec 05pipeline 06Salvatore Bonaccorso 1091589 * [3 minutes and 53 seconds] 03success (issue-syntax: success; python-static: success; pages: success) 19:04:07 thats it i think 19:04:30 * ukleinek doesn't understand the issue, but that might not be that important. 19:04:43 nice 19:04:52 I will try to have a look at that later 19:04:57 it means we need to build-depend on :native, we can't use it in modules builds without causing havoc 19:05:10 s/modules/external modules/ 19:05:42 it's ok for me to believe you :-) 19:05:46 in the past we have wrapper packages for gcc because of this 19:06:13 okay, if there are no questions, lets dive into the bugs 19:06:33 there is one thing bwh asked above and I want to comment: 19:07:13 I do not object that we pick the single regression, but I would as usual prefer to see that upstrema land it. If upstrema does not consider it important enough then I would prefer as well to include it in the next update which will be around the corner 19:07:23 carnil: i only see the bluetooth thing, and we'll come to that 19:07:37 ah okay so let's discuss it when you handle it 19:07:40 #topic #1126671 19:08:06 still nothing happened from our side, bwh and waldi wanted to look at that 19:08:26 I will get to this but I have been spending all my Debian time on security updates and the build system 19:08:44 well, almost all 19:09:23 okay 19:09:29 #topic #1124075 19:09:46 I think I need to ping Sudip because I have not had any response to my patch yet 19:10:01 +1 please do 19:10:10 #action bwh will ping upstream about #1124075 19:10:21 #topic #1135235 19:10:41 someone from google talked to the submitter 19:10:43 I forwarded upstream Paolo and Christoph have some questions for the reporter 19:11:16 OK so let's wait for the reporter to answer 19:11:26 yes 19:11:48 #topic #1135966 19:12:11 wait 19:12:21 right 19:12:23 #topic #1136127 19:13:04 this was last weeks action of ukleinek 19:13:11 agenda is wrong, the action was for carnil 👼 19:13:55 yes I can keep an aciton but similar to bwh my time was consumed by preparing security updates 19:14:18 #action carnil to answer #1136127 19:14:22 and I think I will keep the focus there ;-) 19:14:23 okay, thx 19:14:59 #topic #1136401 19:15:26 is that related to #1126671 ? 19:15:54 It could be 19:16:10 (i.e. our longterm bug "Disconnect root (path=/) during heavy load on NvME, partial corruption on NTFS.crash soon but not yet") 19:16:26 Just looking to see what model is involved in that 19:17:09 vendor=KIOXIA 19:17:47 It doesn't look like a similar model but perhaps they are built around similar controllers 19:18:09 ah, the controller is KIOXIA, the nvme itself is Kingston 19:18:10 I suppose I can take a look at this one as well, and try to find that out 19:18:33 #action bwh will look at #1136401 and compare with #1126671 19:18:53 #topic #1136790 19:19:21 this is the bluetooth regression, right? 19:19:27 we broke zwiebelbot… 19:19:28 yes 19:19:59 bwh: you wanted to know if we should fix that without upstream release? 19:21:03 yes 19:21:05 without having looked at the upstream status: I'd hesitate without the fix being at least in a maintainer tree 19:21:21 I will check if the a revert or fix is in the next review queue, but I'm bit relucatant to onl yfix that, because i expect there will be anyway soonish be new rounds of security updates, then it can be squashed in there, but just going through the build, process trough NEW, linux-signed and push the button release for only the revert then I prefer to have included more in the update 19:21:51 maybe this is wrong and it is good if we discuss it 19:22:02 there seem to be enough people affected 19:22:06 Well let me review the fix and I will take responsbiility if I add a broken fix 19:22:10 is that 6.12.x only? 19:22:20 no 19:22:27 7.1-rc3, 7.0.y and 6.12.y 19:22:46 #action bwh will review and maybe apply candidate patch for #1136790 19:23:13 bwh: thanks 19:23:16 #topic #1127588: (n, ) linux-image-6.18.9+deb14-amd64: Cannot hibernate after some time of work 19:24:01 this is an older report, never got a response from us. full swap 19:24:29 maybe a memory leak? 19:24:54 you can not swap kernel memory, or did something change there? 19:25:26 Indeed you can't 19:25:42 I checked and the fix is picked for the next round of updates: 19:25:43 but yes, could be a memory leak, and the kernel swapping userspace 19:25:43 https://lore.kernel.org/stable/20260520162124.798447239@linuxfoundation.org/ 19:25:48 but if there is a kernel memory leak, userspace will fill swap quickly?! 19:26:07 carnil: Oh! I thought it was still waiting to go into the maintainer tree. Excellent 19:26:22 yes 19:26:32 #action waldi to answer #1127588 19:26:47 #topic #1132343 19:27:15 this waits on the submitter 19:27:41 wait, this was the submitter, okay 19:27:41 well, or for upstream to accept the patch 19:27:55 either way I don't think we need to take action yet 19:28:01 so wait 19:28:08 #topic #1135748 19:28:37 That hasn't changed from last week 19:29:04 But I don't see any decision recorded in last week's minutes 19:29:12 we're waiting for the crashlog? 19:29:24 Oh sorry, no, Yunseong had an action for this 19:30:22 right, #31 has a user question, so we should remove `moreinfo` 19:30:36 I just did that 19:31:18 yunseongkim[m]: are you still planing to act on this bug? 19:32:45 #action ukleinek waits for reply by Yunseong, and on timeout looks into the details 19:32:55 #action ukleinek waits for reply by Yunseong, and on timeout looks into the details of #1135748 19:33:01 thx 19:33:08 #topic #1136792 19:33:15 this waits on the submitter 19:33:39 I think the merge is incorrect? 19:34:00 They might have the same cause but that's not obviously the case 19:34:12 I did not merge those as they might be distinct propblem and suggested that the rporter first focus on the first one but I'm not sure 19:35:02 they have the same reporter, so addressing one after another seems fine to me 19:35:55 i see no indication why they are different. both act on address changes and drop temporary addresses 19:37:07 IMHO no need to discuss that. When it's two bugs and the first is resolved, let's rely on the reporter to tell us 19:37:27 #topic #1136800 19:37:52 isn't this another occurance of the parport memory problem? 19:38:21 yes, but I asked for confirmation of that 19:38:47 so wait 19:38:53 #topic #1136894 19:41:22 does someone spot the OOT_MODULE offender? 19:41:23 I suppose we can ask whether this happened only once, for a start 19:41:38 ukleinek: v4l2loopback 19:41:39 ah, v4l2loopback, not very suspicious 19:41:55 (or is it?) 19:42:20 i'll handle that 19:42:33 #action waldi to answer #1136894 19:42:45 #topic #1136947 19:43:35 hmm, "System suspend still works normally when I explicitly launch it from menu. 19:43:38 " 19:43:49 is it obvious that this is a kernel problem? 19:44:07 no. lid close actions are handled by userspace 19:44:15 A kernel driver is responsible for sending the lid close event though 19:44:38 and the report said at least the state changes 19:45:00 ah, but no event itself, this is a kernel problem then 19:45:11 I'd want to know if just booting an older kernel indeed fixes the issue 19:45:36 "no problem on linux 6 series" 19:46:25 bwh: I wouldn't bet that only means "A few weeks ago the problem didn't show, and since then at least the kernel was updated (and maybe more)" 19:46:52 (that sentence was broken, but I guess you understood) 19:47:02 Yes that could be true. And maybe the BIOS/EC got into a bad state around that time 19:47:40 ukleinek: Sorry, It's a late, so I've been watching it since this week. I'll leave a action if there's an update. 19:48:00 #action ukleinek ask for an explicit test with an older kernel for #1136947 19:48:43 #topic #1025071 19:49:38 I think this is blocked on gdb handling it gracefully...? 19:49:58 * carnil nods 19:50:08 then lets make gdb RC buggy for it 19:50:36 even fedora enables this, so it is not a problem overall 19:50:36 #action bwh will open a bug on gdb for handling YAMA ptrace protection and block #1025071 with it 19:50:55 thx 19:51:05 #topic #1042818 19:51:45 Nothing new since last week 19:51:54 so lets ignore this 19:52:23 #topic Migration excuses 19:52:47 a lot of autopkgtest, did not look at them however 19:53:00 I think this is mostly waiting on the autopkgtest backlog 19:53:06 are they because they took longer becaouse of the loong64 rebuilds? 19:53:56 I don't remember what was the cause of the backlog 19:54:23 #topic New upstream versions 19:54:41 firmware-free, is there something actaully new? 19:55:05 and linux 7.0-rc4, which is done 19:55:22 nothing new that's free, AFAICS 19:55:28 ack 19:55:34 #topic Merge requests 19:55:37 maybe I should exclude it from this report 19:55:57 #action bwh to exclude firmware-free from new upstream version report 19:56:17 nothing really interesting for merge requests, it's pretty empty 19:56:43 #topic AoB 19:56:54 so, anything else we should discuss? 19:57:02 who wants to chair next week? 19:57:03 I think it's my turn to chair next week 19:57:15 #action ukleinek to chair next week 19:57:41 I won't be available in two weeks (2026-06-03) 19:58:12 me neither 19:58:12 I have a small question on nfs-utils 19:58:41 yes? 19:58:56 ..ooOO(That was a small question!) 19:59:10 I addresed 1136535 for the tests, but in nfs-common we install still the init scriipts as well which use pidof 19:59:44 should we add a Depends on procfs still in nfs-common binary package or ignore it assuming that who uses sysvinit pulls in procps as well to use pidof ? 20:00:28 I don't think we should add a Depends 20:01:01 ok 20:01:12 * ukleinek thought about converting to pgrep, but that is also in procps, so that doesn't help 20:01:16 I wonder if there is a different command or shell function that is supposed to be used in init scripts... 20:01:41 start-stop-daemon 20:02:38 just drop the status command (or the whole init script) 20:02:55 status was optional, or now?` 20:02:59 s/now/not/ 20:03:13 We could take out status if anyone complains 20:03:38 -T, --status 20:03:38 Check for the existence of a specified process, and returns an exit status code, according to the LSB Init Script Actions (since version 1.16.1). 20:03:44 ok so thanks for the input. 1. do not add Depends, and 2. if somoeone complains we either drop status or ask to provide an updated init script for the package 20:03:47 Or use pidofproc if those daemons actually have pid files 20:03:48 so start-stop-daemon is the answer 20:04:23 okay. thank you all for attending 20:04:27 Thanks waldi 20:04:29 #endmeeting