18:02:01 <moray> #startmeeting 18:02:01 <MeetBot> Meeting started Fri Oct 9 18:02:01 2020 UTC. The chair is moray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:01 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:05 * nattie was very subtly trying to hint at that 18:02:27 <moray> #addchair nattie 18:02:34 <moray> MeetBot: addchair nattie 18:02:34 <MeetBot> moray: Error: You don't have the admin capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 18:02:36 <moray> aw 18:02:52 <moray> #topic Introduction 18:03:01 <moray> Is anyone here besides nattie and me? :) 18:03:08 <lenharo> me 18:03:13 <srud> hi 18:03:27 <nattie> four, that's quorate! 18:03:39 <nattie> and possibly chorate, depending on people's voice types 18:04:55 <moray> Well, it's fine if we end up having a short meeting 18:05:08 <moray> Let's run through the different areas in a moment 18:05:21 * nattie has a feeling people might drift in a few minutes late 18:05:32 <moray> Does anyone have any general things to raise first? E.g. some brilliant idea you've had of something we were missing in previous meetings? 18:06:54 <nattie> let's let that linger a bit 18:06:58 <nattie> someone's bound to have something 18:07:14 <srud> I have recently started to work with Outreach team 18:07:31 <moray> srud: Ah, that's good, any more you can report about that? 18:07:39 <nattie> (i'll be a little distracted the next few minutes, brb) 18:07:41 <srud> I was thinking of having some collaboration between Outreach and localteams 18:08:05 <srud> to have some local mentorship activities or something else 18:08:12 <srud> no concrete plan as of now 18:08:26 <moray> Yes, that could make sense 18:08:55 <srud> I will develop the idea and come back in the next meeting 18:09:02 <srud> any suggestions are welcome 18:09:02 <moray> Great 18:09:12 <lenharo> interesting to have this collaboration. 18:09:19 <moray> Can you summarise for others reading what the Outreach team has been doing recently? 18:09:48 <srud> as far as I am aware, currently the team is only facilitating GSoC and Outreachy 18:10:31 <srud> I am planning to increase these activities and have more people involved in Debian 18:11:13 <moray> Thanks (I'm sure some people will be lurking and/or reading later) 18:11:20 <srud> :) 18:12:23 <moray> Shall we run through the different work areas from last time? I kind of suspect the answer will be 'not much news yet', but maybe someone can surprise me! 18:12:44 <moray> #topic Encouraging online events 18:12:57 <moray> terceiro and srud had put their names by this 18:13:20 <moray> Anyone have anything to mention about it? Additional thoughts since last time? 18:13:22 <srud> nothing on that topic from my end :( 18:14:06 <nattie> where's terceiro anyway? 18:14:14 <terceiro> hi, sorry 18:14:18 <terceiro> I'm busy with something else 18:14:43 <terceiro> maybe I can report on the wafer setup 18:15:00 <terceiro> so we have a server for running wafer for (online) minidebconfs 18:15:08 <terceiro> mdco2 is hosted there 18:15:55 <terceiro> that's pretty much it 18:16:26 <moray> #info terceiro told us about a server running wafer for (online) minidebconfs 18:16:37 <moray> [sorry, had been forgetting to minute much] 18:17:13 <moray> Out of interest, how much in/out of Debian infrastructure is this? 18:18:45 <terceiro> DSA has nothing to do with it 18:18:45 <moray> (I just wondered because DebConf infrastructure has had a tendency to be quite separate) 18:18:49 <nattie> it's debian.net AFAIK 18:19:07 <nattie> (but please correct me if i'm under the wrong impression) 18:19:09 <moray> Right 18:19:10 <terceiro> the official debconf websites are in a DSA box, but this is not 18:19:47 <moray> Anything else on the online events topic? Does anyone know what the next upcoming planned ones are? 18:20:00 <moray> (not only started by this group, but in general) 18:20:16 <nattie> MDCO2 isn't strictly local, and is on 21/22 November 18:20:28 <nattie> MDCO Brazil is the following weekend (28/29 November) 18:20:39 <nattie> and MDCO India has moved to January 18:20:42 <moray> #info MDCO2 is on 21/22 November 18:20:49 <moray> #info MDCO Brazil is the following weekend (28/29 November) 18:20:52 <nattie> i want to say 23/24 January, can you confirm, srud? 18:21:00 <srud> nattie: yup 18:21:04 <nattie> \o/ 18:21:11 <moray> #info MDCO India has moved to 23/24 January 18:21:21 <moray> Great, thanks 18:21:24 <lenharo> Brazil is with CFP open until October, 31 18:21:50 <moray> OK 18:22:10 <nattie> MDCO2 officially closes its CfP on the 16th 18:23:25 <moray> #topic Design 18:23:50 <moray> fmneto and valhalla put their names as interested in this 18:24:04 <moray> Does anyone present have anything to add about it this meeting? 18:24:13 <nattie> Design has been lumped together with the other thing 18:24:29 <moray> Ah yes 18:24:31 <nattie> but nobody's said anything to me about it in the last fortnight 18:24:45 <moray> #topic Swag/distribution 18:24:55 <nattie> no news here 18:25:03 <moray> Any more general new ideas / comments from anyone on it? 18:25:28 <nattie> see above :) 18:25:42 <moray> Anyone want to share the reasons why we need Debian-branded toothbrushes, or whatever other object it might be? ;) 18:26:04 <moray> #info No special news on swag since last time 18:26:08 <nattie> a plaque on all your houses 18:27:10 <nattie> but no, i've not really focused on swag this fortnight 18:27:21 <nattie> though people are encouraged to talk to me about it! 18:27:37 <moray> #info Talk to nattie if you have ideas or want to get involved 18:27:47 <moray> #topic Local group census 18:28:00 <moray> I think this is also lacking news, though I'd be happy to be surprised 18:28:17 <nattie> again, nothing there, but we could sit down now and think about how we want questions to progress? 18:28:29 <nattie> i thought about it a little but didn't write anything down 18:28:53 <nattie> though i looked through the wiki, and a lot of the websites look fairly inactive (aside from the previously-noted very active ones) 18:28:55 <moray> Yeah, I also thought a bit but didn't get to writing anything before this meeting came round again 18:29:15 <moray> Well, we need to think about a scale of inactivity just now 18:29:41 <moray> Almost all groups will say they've been inactive most of this year, for obvious reasons, and many may feeling like giving up 18:29:58 <nattie> we could have a go at drafting the initial contact mail 18:29:58 <moray> But I agree, many have been inactive a while before that 18:30:14 <nattie> which really just needs to say "hey, are you still involved/interested in being involved? let us know" 18:30:25 <moray> Sure 18:30:31 <nattie> then of course step 2 is ... 18:30:35 <nattie> and step 3 is PROFIT 18:30:41 <moray> Right 18:30:51 <moray> Do you want to start a pad draft somewhere? 18:30:53 <nattie> perhaps we should work out what step 2 *could* be 18:30:59 <nattie> sure, just a moment 18:31:32 <nattie> https://pad.riseup.net/p/localgroups-draftmail 18:31:45 <nattie> (content sample not representative) 18:31:57 <moray> I suspect just now step 2 might involve some degree of 'Yes, I know there's a pandemic on, but...' and 'Yes, I know you did have any events since 2015, but...' 18:33:33 <nattie> is that you in blue? 18:34:02 <nattie> shade of Mr T there 18:35:00 <moray> I'm writing something there yes 18:35:59 <nattie> i would just ask them if they're still interested, before inviting them for a chat 18:36:02 <nattie> but that's just me 18:36:45 <nattie> mostly because having it phrased as "a little chat" is really off-putting to me. again, personal preference 18:37:17 <moray> I suppose I think we might need be slightly 'sales' about our approach or people will just let it drop to the bottom of their inbox, but obviously better wording is welcome, I'm just trying to put something for people to criticise 18:37:31 <nattie> sure 18:37:46 <nattie> at least there's something there and we can expand from that 18:38:00 <moray> I also think it's interesting for us to talk to people even from groups that consider themselves failed 18:38:21 <moray> or with people who have decided that local groups are a terrible idea :) 18:38:42 <nattie> ok, like "are you still there"/"would you like to stay in contact"? 18:39:20 <moray> "would you like to stay in contact" definitely seems to invite 'UNSUBSCRIBE'... 18:39:33 <moray> but please edit the pad 18:39:46 <moray> too much of one colour there 18:40:23 * nattie will have a try after the meeting 18:40:53 <moray> ok 18:41:10 <nattie> it's not like we're limited to meeting times to do work 18:41:12 <moray> #info We started drafting an initial message to local group contacts 18:41:20 <moray> Indeed 18:41:31 <moray> Next topic then? 18:41:34 <nattie> i had a little bit of a look at some of the websites 18:41:46 <moray> ah, what did you find? 18:41:54 <nattie> and i think a lot of the contact info is outdated, but we should be able to find people 18:42:07 <moray> right 18:42:07 <nattie> Debian Tunisia seems to have a moderately active facebook group... 18:42:14 <moray> interesting 18:42:19 <nattie> and so on 18:42:37 <moray> #info nattie has started looking through existing groups' websites 18:43:29 <nattie> i guess i can shove what info i get from there at the bottom of the pad 18:43:56 <nattie> but yeah, next topic 18:43:59 <moray> #topic HOWTO 18:44:11 <moray> Did you have time to start thinking about this? 18:44:35 <nattie> lenharo: your chance to shine! 18:45:07 <lenharo> yes.. we did something 18:45:19 <lenharo> https://www.sombra.eti.br/howto.html 18:45:24 <lenharo> we put here 18:45:38 <moray> Looks a good start! 18:46:39 <moray> What's next, circulate more widely for comments, or you want more time first? 18:47:15 <nattie> i guess we could circulate it more widely, and encourage people to talk to us if they want to add stuff? 18:48:09 <lenharo> i guess it's nice have comments about it. 18:49:09 <moray> That reminds me: 18:49:15 <moray> #topic Communication 18:49:49 <moray> I feel that we should be posting some things to a list as well as IRC, e.g. for asking for review for this 18:50:04 <moray> Should we just keep that on #debian-project for now? 18:50:16 <moray> Or are lists too stale anyway? / is there a better place? 18:51:11 <valhalla> there are the local mailing lists, but I'm not sure how many of them are there 18:51:19 <valhalla> (yes, I'm late) 18:51:33 <valhalla> like https://lists.debian.org/debian-events-eu/ 18:51:55 <lenharo> d-project (list or irc) could be a good place to ask opinions. 18:52:36 <moray> We posted some stuff in a -project thread a while ago, and I kind of intended that we kept on publishing minutes there 18:53:20 <moray> At some point we might want a dedicated list for coordinating things, but I doubt we're going to make so many posts as to overwhelm -project for now 18:53:31 <nattie> list or alias? 18:53:47 <nattie> (i guess they would serve different purposes) 18:53:58 <valhalla> an alias can probably be useful when contacting people 18:54:06 <nattie> yes! 18:54:55 <moray> true, that's probably useful earlier 18:55:13 <moray> I was thinking of a list for discussion between people coordinating different local groups, etc., in the future 18:55:24 <nattie> yes, different purposes 18:55:32 <moray> Though it might lead to too much mis-posting to have such a list 18:55:41 <moray> If people started posting event adverts there 18:55:43 <moray> anyway 18:56:07 <moray> For the HOWTO I think we can leave it to the authors to decide :) 18:56:16 <moray> #topic Any other business 18:56:26 <moray> Anything else someone wants to bring up today? 18:56:51 * srud got distracted.. will read backlogs 18:57:27 <nattie> srud: you could talk about camp 18:57:31 <nattie> which is localish 18:57:39 <lenharo> no AOB for me. 18:57:43 <srud> I think I mentioned it last week 18:57:47 <nattie> oh true 18:57:55 <nattie> it's a bit more concrete now though 18:58:05 <srud> nattie: you helped us make it international 18:58:31 <nattie> it won't hurt to post the URL again, and encourage more people to get involved :) 18:58:35 <srud> we are having a mentorship program organised by FSF India and other free software groups in India 18:58:44 <srud> camp.fsf.org.in 18:58:56 <srud> nattie has agreed to be mentor 18:59:07 <moray> #info srud told us about a mentorship program organised by FSF India and other free software groups in India: camp.fsf.org.in 18:59:14 <srud> it would be great if some of you are also interested to be part of the program 18:59:31 * nattie thinks it's a good way to draw more people in 18:59:49 * srud hopes the same 19:01:35 <moray> yes 19:01:44 <moray> anything else for today? 19:01:56 <nattie> not offhand 19:02:13 <nattie> next meeting, same time, hopefully more chipper, decide closer to the time whether IRC or jitsi? 19:02:42 <nattie> in a fortnight? 19:03:08 <valhalla> oct 23? 19:03:14 <nattie> sounds good to me 19:03:17 <moray> fine for me 19:03:43 <moray> #info Next meeting: Friday 23 October, 18 UTC 19:03:52 <moray> Thanks everyone 19:04:01 <nattie> de nada 19:04:11 <moray> I think that's us for now. Obviously we can go on discussing but: 19:04:13 <moray> #endmeeting