19:02:44 #startmeeting 19:02:44 Meeting started Wed Mar 22 19:02:44 2023 UTC. The chair is elbrus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:02:52 #topic Admin 19:03:05 #info Previous minutes: http://meetbot.debian.net/debian-release/2023/debian-release.2023-02-22-19.01.html 19:03:20 #info elbrus had an action to start points in the release notes on items mentioned in the meeting of January 19:03:35 there are bug reports for them but no text yet 19:04:03 still not a lot of bugs overall... 19:04:13 #info had an action to update the e2fsprogs bug about our decision 19:04:24 done: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1031325#202 19:04:40 and acted upon 19:04:57 I think we still need to help it migrate, but haven't checked today 19:05:09 #info had an action to update the request-tracker4 transition bug with our conclusion 19:05:18 done: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1031587#22 19:05:48 until yesterday there was no progress I'm aware off, this is becoming uncomfortably late? 19:07:10 morning 19:07:24 I wonder, I recall seeing some packages affected by autoremoval because of that transition; I wonder if we should avoid that... 19:07:27 hi kibi 19:08:00 I think there were at least two pings on the rt4 bug without reply 19:08:10 indeed 19:08:34 hence I think we should assume it's not happening, but then reverse dependencies maybe shouldn't suffer 19:09:06 at least I will try to keep an eye out ... 19:09:22 We could give them until end of March and if they are not ready by then, let's postpone rt4 removal 19:09:33 something like that indeed 19:09:41 agreed 19:10:21 #agreed: rt4 removal gets until the end of the month otherwise we defer 19:10:25 #topic Transitions 19:10:46 well, the biggest one just discussed 19:11:16 webkit2gtk 19:11:20 I expect two webkit related transitions to happen 19:11:22 That and the qt one 19:11:44 on track? 19:12:09 qtwebengine-opensource-src is staged in experimental and mostly ready to go 19:12:17 I'm waiting for a feedback from mitya57 19:12:34 but no worries? 19:12:40 No 19:12:43 great 19:13:00 we have one removal transition ongoing 19:13:10 I will check tomorrow if the two rdeps build fine. But I'm 90% sure they do. 19:13:18 mitya57: Thanks 19:13:25 I forgot the details, but I recall I filed a related bug 19:13:28 elbrus: equinox-framework-rm? 19:13:29 mitya57: thanks 19:13:31 yes 19:14:44 does anybody know more details 19:14:51 Not really 19:15:00 otherwise I'll look into it again tomorrow 19:15:02 I keep seeing equinox-framework in update output 19:15:38 If tycho gets auto removed, equinox-framework should no longer be blocked from being removed itself 19:16:09 right; bug 1031686 19:16:26 bug #1031686 19:16:48 then we have auto-upperlimit-ruby-minitest 19:17:35 some rebuild not migrating? 19:17:57 all arch:all 19:18:19 how can they all be green and it still being a problem? 19:18:56 TBH I don't understand what's the state there. 19:19:10 want to figure out, or shall I? 19:19:36 ruby-minitest is still in the archive. 19:20:05 -upperlimit- is the part it triggers on 19:20:16 ah 19:20:20 so there must be an versioned depends somewhere 19:21:08 ruby-minitest (<= 5.15.0-9999) 19:21:21 That's from ruby-maxitest 19:21:54 ack 19:22:08 but that's green on the tracker... 19:23:03 (libruby3.1 3.1.2-6 Provides ruby-minitest unversioned) 19:23:40 thanks 19:24:08 but do unversioned provides count for versioned Depends? 19:24:36 apt is happy to install ruby-maxitest 19:24:39 I guess they do but not for equality? 19:25:01 smells like a bug 19:25:13 most likely in ruby-maxitest 19:25:24 or in libruby3.1 19:25:32 I don't know ruby well enough … but if ruby-minitest is provided by ruby itself, should the package be removed? 19:25:47 I'll ask on #d-ruby later 19:26:04 #action elbrus to check on ruby-maxitest Depends 19:26:19 I guess that's it for transitions? 19:26:33 Yes 19:26:47 #topic unblock request 19:26:55 big backlog ... 19:27:16 yeah 19:27:19 and there are some big ones 19:27:20 18 19:27:34 anything we should discuss now? 19:27:41 kibi: do you want to be kept in the loop for di-related unblocks (e.g. di-netboot-assistant)? 19:28:39 feel free to, but di-n-a is fine to go 19:28:51 bug #1033271: my first feeling is: unreviewable so, too late? 19:29:18 80+ unblocks are not managable. 19:29:34 indeed 19:29:35 kibi: ACK, will unblock di-netboot-assistant and CC you for everything else that's coming up. 19:29:52 thanks! 19:30:29 did anything happen with mesa today? 19:30:44 if not, shall I just do an NMU to tpu? 19:30:51 There's an upload to tpu 19:30:55 a, great 19:30:56 https://tracker.debian.org/news/1427519/accepted-mesa-2236-1deb12u1-source-into-testing-proposed-updates/ 19:31:19 does that version make sense? 19:31:31 llvm-toolchain-15 just finished building on mips64el \o/ 19:31:32 * elbrus would have expected a ~ instead of + 19:31:49 but I guess there are propups 19:32:01 ginggs: llvm-toolchain-15 needs its orig to be cleaned up 19:32:11 agreed 19:32:40 There are bugs with repacking … 19:33:04 But it's a key package, so I don't want anything to slip in that's not reviewable. 19:33:22 indeed 19:34:05 any other unblock we should discuss? 19:34:40 Maybe live-tasks-non-free-firmware 19:34:54 aha, right, the highvoltage request :) 19:35:09 It's new source and binaries, but I intend to unblock for non-free-firmware support 19:36:00 the descriptions have a bug, but maybe I shouldn't hold it up for that 19:36:20 it's talking about dependencies, but it has none 19:36:52 Indeed. 19:37:10 Good catch. Do you want to follow up or should I? 19:37:22 but anyways as it's a meta package I can live with the exception 19:37:31 I expect highvoltage to catch the backlog :) 19:37:36 :) 19:38:04 There are bunch of unblocks for cross-building and non-RT architecture fixes. 19:38:15 hmm 19:38:25 haven't seen those yet 19:38:29 I think they are out-of-scope at this stage. 19:38:38 fuse3 and ghostscript 19:38:57 (bunch = 2 ;)) 19:39:10 without having looked at it, I tend to agree 19:39:31 fuse3 is also about fixing the Makefile for examples 19:40:18 so not only fixing build on hppa 19:40:37 fixing the installer on hppa it claims 19:40:43 kibi must be thrilled 19:41:04 rolling on the floor thrilled 19:42:35 (thinking of my fellow coworkers who didn't comment on #1029849 — and now #1033325 — 's RC-ness, but not to worry, patches are on the way) 19:44:16 bug #1029849 19:44:25 bug #1033325 19:45:18 (just teasing, it's all fine) 19:46:08 rounding up this topic? 19:47:16 #topic current status of bookworm 19:48:22 anybody know of any blocking bug 19:48:41 I would like to get rid of stretch before the release date. 19:48:59 It saves the renaming stretch to oldoldoldstable part which is a bit annoying. 19:49:37 ack, but out of control for this team 19:50:30 Yes, I think I can find some solution to the blocker in the worst case. It's just a bit more work. Either way, should be doable. 19:51:07 just out of curiousity, what's a blocker for just archiving it? 19:52:00 elbrus: If one wants to preserve timestamps, one has to use debmirror's rsync method. Which only works with an rsync daemon. Which requires username/password (or running my own rsync; it's localhost anyway...) 19:52:26 Other issues like disk space (including on mirrors) should be fine by now. 19:53:01 ack and thanks for elaborating 19:53:56 There is a new usrmerge bug (#1033167) … but it already got a patch 19:54:35 it involves multiple packages, right? 19:55:31 I think that was the other one with systemd service files 19:55:53 I've been looking for autopkgtest failures like bug #1033147 which are related to kernel 19:56:06 ah, OK 19:57:43 luckily so far that has been the only one 19:58:27 shall we move on? 19:58:40 The install and upgrade jenkins jobs are still green 19:58:47 \o/ 19:59:21 #topic current status of d-i 19:59:34 kibi: do you want to share something? 19:59:39 we're thinking about a release these days, but linux isn't helping us much 19:59:56 tell carnil and he'll accomodate I bet :) 19:59:58 lots of interesting things on the packaging side, but the upstream stable releases tend to regress here and there 19:59:59 but you know that 20:00:16 so we'll have to pick and choose what we release with for the upcoming RC 1 20:00:24 ack 20:00:38 Sebastinas: the usrmerge bug is 3 uploads (debianutils, dash, usrmerge) 20:00:41 more generally: we were initially lacking feedback, but that came in, and we have a few improvements on the firmware side (just uploaded two packages) 20:00:54 a, you don't mean about uploads happening but that no version is perfect :) 20:00:59 helmut: ACK 20:01:20 so I'm more or less happy where we are (or will be once we have a release out); we'll probably still want to have another one after that, to iron things out and/or deal with unanticipated fallouts from the *many* changes in e.g. hw-detect 20:01:39 I don't have much more, but still happy to take any questions 20:01:51 kibi: to not disturb too much the current meeting, about src:linux, I will do my best to help for whatever you need on my side 20:02:15 * elbrus loves carnil 20:02:32 carnil: just to give some hints as to what seems problematic: the arm64 size increase that breaks Pi devices under u-boot is one, the ppc64el regression in d-i is another 20:03:35 the same could happen with many different things, it just happens that linux is a very big piece of software, and having many archs means being able to break in various ways :) 20:03:35 for the arm64 size increase I forward the issue this morning to upstream, I hope to get some help there, aurel32 did great work on bisecting the introducing upstream change 20:04:06 definitely not pointing fingers (at either linux or you), just stating what's my short-term item when it comes to d-i releases :) 20:04:54 and yeah, I saw the forward, and I'll try and look at the ppc64el one myself, time permitting 20:06:31 thanks; I don't have questions regarding d-i 20:06:53 #topic release date 20:07:23 I guess it will be good to have at least one weekend between the point release and the bookworm release 20:09:14 kibi: I wasn't sure if I read your reply that you could support all proposed dates in May or you didn't reply to the availability question 20:09:42 and of course none of the release managers replied 20:10:11 lemme try and debug what I wrote 20:10:16 I fear we still depend on adbs handling the strings and the signing? 20:10:54 Message-ID: <20230316111223.jfaqqscdxsyrftxh@mraw.org> 20:11:03 way ahead of you 20:11:17 :) 20:11:19 provided we have 2 releases before end of April, I'm happy with whatever you pick in May, if May this is 20:11:32 ack 20:11:51 hrm, I missed that dicussion. I'll try to reply soon. 20:12:10 (also, forgot to mention, but shim* seems fine, hence the not worrying about that part at the moment) 20:12:11 wasn't sure if that only covered that d-i is ready enough or also meant you could support the weekend 20:13:06 seems like if we want Sledge in and release in May it will be 13 20:13:31 I'll ping the discussion tomorrow 20:13:49 cool 20:14:14 we still need to find somebody with a key available for signing in that weekend :) 20:14:39 #topic AOB 20:15:12 anything I missed on the agenda or that popped up? 20:16:19 calling once 20:16:41 calling twice 20:16:53 #topic Next meeting 20:17:02 #info Next meeting is 26 April at 19:00 UTC (import into your calendar via https://release.debian.org/release-calendar.ics) 20:17:12 #endmeeting