15:30:29 <abdulkarim> #startmeeting
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15:30:44 <abdulkarim> #chair abdulkarim
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15:30:53 <abdulkarim> thanks darst
15:30:54 <shirish> right on.
15:33:20 <abdulkarim> #topic Discussing the Agenda for MiniDebconf2011 (Pune).
15:34:14 <shirish> abdulkarim: what I would suggest is whenever pravin comes in, you both handle the chair.
15:34:59 <abdulkarim> shirish, ok
15:35:04 <shirish> abdulkarim: I say because pravin has told something like 22:00-6:00 IST as the meeting thing and I doubt I will up till that time.
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15:38:30 <abdulkarim> prathamesh, hi
15:38:38 <prathamesh> abdulkarim, hi
15:39:05 <shirish> abdulkarim: it would be nice if there is an introduction round when you start the meet, something on the lines of :-
15:39:39 <shirish> either school/college or professional or whatever and what they hope to achieve in the meet so everybody knows.
15:40:00 <shirish> what they want out of the meet, makes it easier to identify people's wants.
15:40:19 <abdulkarim> ok
15:41:13 <prathamesh> prathamesh sonpatki from VIT .. i m last year student and i wish to learn about debian os also i am one of the volunteer
15:41:37 <shirish> I dunno if you had done already IRC meetings, if done before feel free to not take my advice.
15:42:36 <shirish> prathamesh: hi :)
15:42:59 <abdulkarim> axeman, hi
15:43:15 <axeman> abdulkarim: hi
15:43:26 <shirish> me, a casual debian user. Hope to help let people get interested in debian.
15:43:29 <axeman> abdulkarim: i'm akshay..
15:43:47 <shirish> axeman: akshay, tell us a bit about yourself.
15:44:16 <axeman> abdulkarim: linux user.. student, viit, pune
15:44:27 <axeman> shirish: linux user.. student, viit, pune
15:44:36 <axeman> sry abt dat..
15:44:54 <shirish> axeman: no need to be sorry, welcome axeman/akshay
15:45:35 <abdulkarim> me, Student, FOSS user/promoter, day-dreamer...
15:45:44 <prathamesh> hi shirish , axeman
15:46:25 <axeman> hi prathamesh
15:46:57 <shirish> prathamesh: hi
15:47:30 <shirish> well, we would also have introduction round again when abdul starts with the meet.
15:47:47 <shirish> is everybody on unstable or using squeeze ?
15:47:58 <prathamesh> unstable
15:48:38 <shirish> others ?
15:48:47 <abdulkarim> unstable
15:48:56 <shirish> axeman: ?
15:49:09 <axeman> unstable
15:49:17 <shirish> sana: hi
15:49:23 <abdulkarim> axeman, which distro do you use?
15:49:30 <sana> hi
15:49:48 <shirish> please introduce yourself.
15:49:48 <axeman> abdulkarim, linux mint
15:50:05 <shirish> ah ok.
15:50:21 <shirish> if anybody is using a debian-derivative please share that as well.
15:50:26 <abdulkarim> ok shirish was asking whether you use Debian (Squeeze, Unstable, Wheezy)
15:50:39 <sana> shirish: m sana, 3rd yr engg student @ coep :)
15:50:44 <shirish> no problems if you are using ubuntu, debian, or whatever.
15:50:51 <shirish> sana: welcome.
15:50:55 <sana> :)
15:51:25 <shirish> axeman: being seen some interesting developments on mint but dunno if they can scale up, what do you think ?
15:52:35 <axeman> shirish: sry i didn't get it..
15:53:37 <abdulkarim> #chair j4v4m4n
15:53:37 <MeetBot> Current chairs: abdulkarim j4v4m4n
15:53:57 <shirish> axeman: just a minute will get the link.
15:54:19 <j4v4m4n> hi every one, sorry for coming late :(
15:55:00 <abdulkarim> #topic Discussing the Agenda for MiniDebconf2011 (Pune).
15:55:48 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: where are we?
15:56:04 <shirish> j4v4m4n: was not the meeting time taken at 22:00 hours IST.
15:58:55 <j4v4m4n> shirish: I thought you were asking about main session
15:59:08 <j4v4m4n> shirish: that is why I said 10 to 5 :(
15:59:39 <shirish> j4v4m4n: I was talking about the main session only.
15:59:40 <j4v4m4n> shirish: can we start now/
16:00:21 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: proposed meeting time as 9 pm IST
16:00:38 <abdulkarim> shirish, j4v4m4n meant to say that the main session on 13th,14th and 15th are scheduled from 10-5
16:00:53 <shirish> j4v4m4n: please see http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html#tutorial as you have the chair of meetbot as well.
16:01:52 <shirish> all, we are using meetbot so we can take nice minutes of the meeting as well as have actionable items delegated to people so who knows what they can do, wanna do.
16:02:08 <j4v4m4n> #chair shirish
16:02:08 <MeetBot> Current chairs: abdulkarim j4v4m4n shirish
16:02:35 <shirish> so any ideas where want to start.
16:03:28 <shirish> I would be going for dinner in sometime now so would be unavailable for about an hour (dinner + some work) and then back, my IRC would be open so I can look to whatever happened in-between.
16:03:54 <abdulkarim> muneeb, hi
16:05:21 <shirish> everybody please introduce yourself, something perhaps on the lines of college/professional whatever, what distribution you use/are using, if on debian squeeze, testing/wheezy, sid/unstable or/and experimental.
16:05:35 <shirish> also share dreams or what you would like.
16:06:17 <shirish> there is a huge list for people wanting to package something in debian.
16:06:30 <shirish> #link http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp
16:06:43 * j4v4m4n starts introduction
16:06:56 <j4v4m4n> working with Red Hat as senior sys admin
16:07:04 <abdulkarim> #info Introductions Round
16:07:10 <j4v4m4n> currently a debian maintaner
16:07:22 <j4v4m4n> maintains two packages
16:07:25 <abdulkarim> me, Student, FOSS user/promoter, day-dreamer... using Debian SID and Ubuntu 10.04
16:07:40 <j4v4m4n> runs debian sid+experimental with gnome 3
16:07:41 <prathamesh> Prathamesh Sonpatki from VIT last year student i m using sid and ubuntu 10.10
16:07:43 <sana> I use Debian Squeeze
16:08:35 <axeman> Student, FOSS user, VIIT using Linux Mint 9 (still..!!)
16:08:47 <j4v4m4n> dream: wants to see 100 debian developers from India
16:10:54 <j4v4m4n> muneeb: introduce yourself
16:12:10 <muneeb> Hi! I'm Muneeb. Computer Science Student at JSCOE, Hadapsar.
16:13:02 <abdulkarim> #info Day one
16:13:41 <abdulkarim> What should be the topics to be covered?
16:14:04 <abdulkarim> i think we should start with Introduction to Debian
16:14:34 <prathamesh> yes
16:15:04 <j4v4m4n> can we make an intro video?
16:15:15 <j4v4m4n> bubulle: heya!
16:15:15 * bubulle waves
16:16:04 <bubulle> btw, we have one person from India at Debconf 11: Subir Singh (GSOC student)
16:16:35 <shirish> bubulle: hi :)
16:16:43 <abdulkarim> j4v4m4n, yes, just like #diaspune :)
16:16:46 <abdulkarim> bubulle, thats really nice
16:16:55 <j4v4m4n> bubulle: nice! we should do mini debconf Panjab then :)
16:17:16 <shirish> panjab/punjab
16:17:26 <abdulkarim> :D
16:17:29 <j4v4m4n> shirish: :(
16:17:32 <shirish> #link http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?users=pkg-games-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org
16:17:53 <shirish> I made tagged list for the games so people could trawl through that list.
16:18:17 <abdulkarim> shweta, shilpi hi
16:18:26 <shweta> hi
16:18:37 <shirish> please introduce yourselves.
16:18:55 <shilpi> hi
16:19:48 <shilpi> i m final year student in JSCOE
16:20:26 <prathamesh> hi gaurav
16:20:33 <shirish> JSCOE ?
16:21:40 <shilpi> Jayawant raoSawant college of engg
16:21:57 <abdulkarim> j4v4m4n, would Shravan be making the video?
16:22:12 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: we can ask him
16:22:34 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: are there good video folks in vit?
16:23:08 <shirish> chairs, the raw logs of the meet are being logged at http://meetbot.debian.net/minidebconfpune/2011/minidebconfpune.2011-07-28-15.30.log.txt
16:23:11 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: people who can make good video
16:23:22 <abdulkarim> i can ask the Multimedia incharge of melange2010(annual fest of our college)
16:23:49 <prathamesh> abdulkarim we can ask hrishikesh ghatpande
16:24:00 <axeman> hey i also know a guy who cn do this..
16:24:03 <abdulkarim> prathamesh, yes thats what i was thinking
16:24:20 <axeman> bt he hardly knows abt debian..
16:24:39 <j4v4m4n> axeman: all of you can help him with content
16:24:55 <shirish> whoever of the last chairs goes, please say # endmeeting (without space in between) so we get a nice formatted page with actionable items and stuff like the debian-games meet I had shared before.
16:25:34 <axeman> ya then i'll ask him tommorrow and let you guys know..
16:25:37 <abdulkarim> axeman, yeah we can help with the content
16:25:54 <shirish> vasudev: welcome.
16:26:05 <j4v4m4n> #chair shirish
16:26:05 <MeetBot> Current chairs: abdulkarim j4v4m4n shirish
16:26:06 <prathamesh> all, can we decide some theme and work on that?
16:26:29 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: introduction to debian
16:26:38 <shirish> I can take that up.
16:27:12 <shirish> how long/short do we want to do that?
16:27:26 <j4v4m4n> shirish: cool! sit with these folks and finalize it
16:27:37 <abdulkarim> shirish, we are thinking of making an Intro to Debian Video
16:27:38 <j4v4m4n> shirish: 5 minutes?
16:27:52 <shirish> j4v4m4n: wouldn't that be too short
16:27:59 <shirish> debian is a BIG project.
16:28:15 <j4v4m4n> shirish: yes, we have 3 full days for that!
16:28:42 <j4v4m4n> shirish: this is to just spark interest in people who are new to debian
16:28:49 <shirish> ok.
16:28:50 <j4v4m4n> shirish: make it 10 minutes then
16:29:50 <vasudev> shirish: thanks
16:30:06 <shirish> ok, something on the lines of who started it, timeline of debian, customers/people who are using it and what is being cooked for the future a.k.a. wheezy release, is that cool or somebody wants to add stuff to it.
16:30:54 <j4v4m4n> shirish: who makes debian
16:31:25 <j4v4m4n> shirish: ends with an appeal to get involved
16:31:38 <shirish> j4v4m4n: accepted
16:33:20 <shirish> #action shirish makes introduction of debian - who started it, timeline of debian, customers/people who are using it and what is being cooked for the future a.k.a. wheezy release, who makes debian and an appeal to get involved, roughly 10-15 slides
16:33:38 <shirish> I guess that's good/ok ?
16:33:44 <abdulkarim> TheHrushi, hi
16:33:45 <j4v4m4n> shirish: we need a video
16:34:00 <j4v4m4n> shirish: slides can help those who are making the video
16:34:28 <shirish> j4v4m4n: I do have Stefano's talk last year, would that help ?
16:34:31 <TheHrushi> @all Hi
16:34:41 <shirish> TheHrushi: please introduce yourself.
16:34:43 <j4v4m4n> shirish: something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuWjSpicph0
16:34:59 <TheHrushi> http://about.me/thehrushi
16:35:31 <TheHrushi> for the lazy, Studying UnderGraduate course in Industrial Engineering at Vishwakarma Institute of Technology, Pune. Been co-ordinator of The Robotics Forum (TRF-VIT). Hobbies include Graphic Designing and Social Networking.
16:35:38 <shirish> TheHrushi: thanx.
16:35:49 <abdulkarim> TheHrushi, we all are lazy :P
16:35:58 <shirish> +1 to that.
16:36:00 <shirish> :P
16:36:01 <axeman> :D
16:36:04 <TheHrushi> :P
16:36:33 <prathamesh> :D
16:36:47 <TheHrushi> irc'ing after long long time
16:37:11 <shirish> j4v4m4n: you want an installation video I guess then ?
16:37:33 <j4v4m4n> shirish: no, an intro video like the one I just shared
16:37:56 <j4v4m4n> shirish: it can have clips from talks
16:38:01 <shirish> j4v4m4n: I did see it.
16:38:18 <shirish> j4v4m4n: you want some sort of mashup if I'm getting it right.
16:38:20 <j4v4m4n> shirish: revolution os type
16:38:29 <shirish> j4v4m4n: right, ok got the idea.
16:38:59 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: prathamesh was mentioning your name for making the video
16:38:59 <shirish> that would need to be made, its a project.
16:39:10 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n, can we make a video which will have some shots from previous debconfs also .. so it will show the journey of  minidebconf
16:39:13 <j4v4m4n> shirish: that is why I said 5 minutes
16:39:25 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: yes
16:39:28 <shirish> j4v4m4n: ah ok, then it makes sense.
16:39:35 <shirish> bbiam.
16:39:38 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: I have some of those videos
16:40:22 <TheHrushi> j4v4m4n: yeah I can make one, but not of the level of the one you shared...
16:40:41 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: try it, we will see how it is
16:40:58 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: you can collaborate with Shravan too (he made that video)
16:41:36 <TheHrushi> j4v4m4n: sure I can... I'd be free after clg starts (that's after 1st Aug) :P
16:41:41 <abdulkarim> TheHrushi, the initial part of the video was an Official PEPSI advert
16:42:04 <shirish> TheHrushi: the idea is to have some sense of things, polishing it can come later.
16:42:11 <TheHrushi> abdulkarim: lol o.O cut-n-paste job, I'm good at it!
16:42:12 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: you can remix other videos
16:42:27 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: yes :)
16:42:40 <shirish> TheHrushi: I also have some videos which could be shared, dunno about licensing though (that could be perhaps the sticky part), dunno.
16:42:46 <shirish> would have to check those.
16:42:55 <TheHrushi> yeah, Sony Vegas Pro / Pinnacle HD would do it
16:43:16 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: did you try kdenlive?
16:43:30 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: it would be nice if we can use foss editors
16:43:37 <shirish> +1 on that.
16:43:44 <shirish> there are quite a few we could explore.
16:44:09 <TheHrushi> j4v4m4n: I mostly have to use Windows for some AutoCAD stuff (n they force it at our company), tho I have Ubu Studio ;)
16:44:40 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: try to use Ubu studio if possible
16:45:09 <TheHrushi> very much possible, tho m not sure it has those special effects those Pinnacle has
16:46:29 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: we can let go of the special effects
16:46:42 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: that video of diaspora was made in kdenlive
16:46:53 <TheHrushi> j4v4m4n: then that's no problem :)
16:47:01 <shirish> TheHrushi: you never know, there are lots of things which might be undocumented as well.
16:47:14 <TheHrushi> my net connection is too sad at the end of the month, couldn't even watch that video in full :(
16:47:22 <shirish> so there might be special effects that could be used but we do not know.
16:47:26 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: shravan is very good at kdenlive, he will guide you
16:47:31 <TheHrushi> (10gig of my plan over, now running in reserve mode ;) )
16:47:45 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: :(
16:47:54 <j4v4m4n> shirish: abdulkarim next topic?
16:48:44 <TheHrushi> j4v4m4n: shravan's ID?
16:49:06 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: it is there in that video :)
16:49:25 <shirish> #link http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2011/CountMeIn
16:49:30 <j4v4m4n> TheHrushi: 123 dot shravan at gmail
16:49:31 <shirish> please register for the event.
16:49:52 <abdulkarim> #action TheHrushi and shravan will be making a short Intro to Debian video
16:50:04 <TheHrushi> j4v4m4n: ohk will see n register shirish
16:50:20 <TheHrushi> abdulkarim: affirmative. gotta go cya all
16:50:34 <abdulkarim> TheHrushi, thanks for coming, bye
16:50:47 <TheHrushi> ^left
16:51:06 <abdulkarim> #action followed by the video,shirish would be giving a talk on "Intro to Debian"
16:51:26 <shirish> chalega
16:51:58 <abdulkarim> shirish, how much would you need for your talk?
16:51:59 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: can we actually start at 10?
16:52:20 <abdulkarim> j4v4m4n, 10 would be early to start
16:52:26 <abdulkarim> we can call people at 10
16:52:27 <shirish> j4v4m4n:perhaps that would be too early.
16:52:36 <shirish> oops.
16:52:48 <shirish> yeah, something around 11ish would be nicer IMHO.
16:53:04 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: ok put 10-11 as registration
16:53:05 <abdulkarim> registrations, wifi setup etc an session starts from 11
16:53:20 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: cool
16:53:31 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: how about lunch?
16:54:06 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: I think we can ask people if they want lunch at venue - they have to buy it though
16:54:29 <shirish> sorry for butting in, can somebody explain what's the cricket column/bit doing at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2011/CountMeIn
16:54:30 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: talk to canteen people and see if they can arrange like that
16:54:48 <j4v4m4n> shirish: we are going to play cricket in the evening :)
16:54:49 <abdulkarim> j4v4m4n, we have a canteen in our colleg + there are a couple of restaurants nearby so that won't be an issue
16:55:13 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: ask them if they can serve at the venue if they get order in the morning
16:55:20 <axeman> abdulkarim: canteen.. are u serious..!!
16:55:23 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: give them a rough numbers
16:55:47 <j4v4m4n> axeman: basically any place that will serve food
16:55:48 <abdulkarim> j4v4m4n, ok, i'll talk to them
16:55:54 <j4v4m4n> axeman: we can check other places too
16:56:12 <shirish> if we have centralized food thing, it would be good for community building too.
16:56:33 <axeman> j4v4m4n: ya we can do that..
16:56:36 <j4v4m4n> shirish: yes, but it is going to be dutch
16:56:56 <shirish> j4v4m4n: not an issue, just make sure its known beforehand.
16:57:11 <shirish> whenever the schedule is put up.
16:57:12 <j4v4m4n> axeman: abdulkarim have menu and coupons ready in the morning, let people pay in the morning
16:57:34 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: update the wiki after you talk to a few restaurants
16:57:53 <abdulkarim> j4v4m4n, sure
16:58:00 <axeman> j4v4m4n: ya at the registration..
16:58:07 <shirish> put it up so expenses/food are student-friendly.
16:58:46 <shirish> dunno though if people should take 3 day's money on the first day itself or 1 day only.
16:59:28 <j4v4m4n> axeman: have an option of canteen too, it would not be too costly
16:59:43 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  actually canteen is more costly
16:59:45 <j4v4m4n> shirish: I think I day should be good
17:00:00 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: ok you folks know it better
17:00:09 <axeman> j4v4m4n: i'd need to ask restaurants
17:00:16 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: decide among yourselves, don't leave us hungry :)
17:00:19 <axeman> j4v4m4n: i'd do that
17:00:27 <shirish> j4v4m4n: I was thinking the same too, but wanted to put it up aloud. Usually 1st day is good, 2nd day onwards depends .
17:00:42 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  yes :)
17:01:32 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: I think we can have two talks in the morning
17:01:41 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: Vikram can take the second session
17:01:57 <abdulkarim> #action axeman and prathamesh will be taking care of lunch
17:02:18 <abdulkarim> 11:00 to 12:00 slot for vide and shirish
17:02:31 <abdulkarim> 12:00 to 1:00 Vikram
17:02:48 <abdulkarim> 1 to 2 lunch
17:02:51 <shirish> abdulkarim: what is Vikram going to be talking about ?
17:03:27 <abdulkarim> j4v4m4n, have you finalised the topic with vikram?
17:03:59 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: I suggested him to talk about his Christ University foss experience
17:04:10 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: talk to him and suggest a few topics
17:05:44 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim: next
17:05:47 <abdulkarim_mobil> ok
17:06:01 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: discussion on GNU/Linux on the desktop?
17:06:30 <abdulkarim_mobil> Shirish was supposed to talk on it na?
17:06:54 <shirish> abdulkarim_mobil: I can do that, although what are we looking on that ?
17:07:54 <abdulkarim_mobil> so javaman may be you could tak the intro part an let shiish talk on gnu/linux desktop
17:08:22 <shirish> I just know GNOME and some apps. I dunno if everybody knows GNU/Linux or knows GNU/Linux but not Debian or what
17:08:31 <abdulkarim_mobil> shirish we discussed it on mail
17:08:58 <shirish> abdulkarim_mobil:  did, but it was not really threadbare.
17:10:07 <shirish> would like to explore or know more in detail what could/should be in it. I could just give a walkabout the Debian desktop interface and talk of 2-3 arches on which Debian is.
17:10:16 <shirish> is that enough or some other ideas people have.
17:10:32 <j4v4m4n> shirish: your talk is specific to debian
17:10:47 <j4v4m4n> shirish: what is it, its community ...
17:10:53 <shirish> j4v4m4n: ah, ok that way.
17:11:05 <j4v4m4n> shirish: discussion is on Free Software on the desktop
17:11:18 <j4v4m4n> shirish: idea is to figure out what is missing currently
17:11:25 <j4v4m4n> shirish: what we can do about those
17:11:28 <shirish> j4v4m4n: so basically all pointers, ML, Forum links
17:11:36 <j4v4m4n> shirish: so we may form some sigs to address specific issues
17:11:43 <abdulkarim_mobil> @alli'm on mobile so wont be able to type much... pls feel free to give ur opinions
17:11:46 <j4v4m4n> shirish: yeah
17:11:49 <shirish> j4v4m4n: ah ok, can do that, there is lots out there.
17:12:18 <shirish> j4v4m4n: just to take a stray example, aptitude needs lot of love, a tool I use a loooot.
17:12:38 <shirish> missing is lots there, can do a bit about that as well.
17:13:06 <abdulkarim_mobil> can we have a talk on "Students and Debian" or Why should I(student) know abt Debian/GNu
17:13:27 <shirish> abdulkarim_mobil: j4v4m4n: who's handling the introduction part, me or Pravin ?
17:13:52 <j4v4m4n> shirish: you
17:14:01 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: can you take that?
17:14:08 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: may be even do it as a team
17:14:38 <shirish> j4v4m4n:  I am/was confused because I saw this  (10:38:28  IST) abdulkarim_mobil: so javaman may be you could tak the intro part an let shiish talk on gnu/linux desktop
17:14:41 <abdulkarim_mobil> no pls not again :(
17:15:43 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: take all vit folks
17:15:52 <j4v4m4n> shirish: that was a suggestion
17:16:18 <j4v4m4n> shirish: I asked Abhijit if can be a moderator
17:16:28 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: he will confrim in a day or two
17:16:34 <shirish> ok, so need to dedicate time to 1. the introduction talk/presentation 2. Debian on Desktop
17:16:42 <shirish> j4v4m4n: nice idea.
17:17:47 <kart_> hi all.
17:17:55 <kart_> meeting over? still going on?
17:18:12 <shirish> #action shirish takes talk about Debian on desktop. Entails discussion on what's missing currently in the Debian archive, also give links about community (forums, mailing lists and IRC), talk about SIG's
17:18:28 <shirish> kart_: welcome, please introduce yourself.
17:18:30 <abdulkarim_mobil> kart_ hi
17:18:35 <vasudev> kart_: it was going on till now but every one is silent now
17:18:40 <shirish> j4v4m4n: is that good ?
17:19:07 <kart_> Hi. I'm Kartik Mistry. Contribute to Debian sometime. But, most of time troll too much.
17:19:12 <j4v4m4n> shirish: discussion is about the state of GNU/Linux on the desktop
17:19:19 <j4v4m4n> shirish: like what are the problems users face
17:19:33 <j4v4m4n> shirish: driver issues, codecs, installing software not on the repo
17:19:42 <j4v4m4n> shirish: games, windows software etc
17:19:50 <j4v4m4n> shirish: we will try to see if those can be fixed
17:20:07 <j4v4m4n> shirish: if there is enough interest we will form teams to address each of the issues
17:20:10 <vasudev> kart_: :P
17:20:19 <j4v4m4n> kart_: hi :)
17:20:45 <shirish> #action add state of GNU/Linux on the desktop, problems people face while migrating to Debian/GNU/Linux, driver issues, codecs, installing software not in repo, games to the 'Debian to Desktop' talk/presentation.
17:21:02 <j4v4m4n> shirish: no
17:21:16 <shirish> j4v4m4n: ?
17:21:16 <j4v4m4n> shirish: those will be covered in a discussion in the after noon
17:21:34 <shirish> j4v4m4n: ah you want it to be extempo thing ?
17:21:35 <j4v4m4n> shirish: your talk is to introduce what debian is to a new person
17:21:53 <kart_> btw, I probably won't attend minidebconf this time.
17:21:54 <j4v4m4n> shirish: people can raise their hands talk their peoblems
17:22:01 <j4v4m4n> kart_: :(
17:22:08 <j4v4m4n> shirish: there will be a moderator
17:22:14 <j4v4m4n> shirish: and some people in the panel
17:22:19 <shirish> j4v4m4n: somebody who is new to Debian/or and GNU/Linux.
17:22:33 <j4v4m4n> shirish: don't mix the two sessions
17:23:08 <j4v4m4n> shirish: after your talk they should know what is debian
17:23:17 <shirish> j4v4m4n: ok will do.
17:23:35 <j4v4m4n> shirish: the aim of the discussion is to form sigs
17:23:42 <j4v4m4n> shirish: it may not be specific to debian
17:23:44 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  'debian to a new person' is very imp coz most of the vit students will seing it first time
17:23:55 <shirish> #action the previous one was for a discussion to be taken after lunch.
17:24:34 <kart_> j4v4m4n: avoid problems that can't be solved exclusively in Debian.
17:24:46 <j4v4m4n> kart_: that is just discussion
17:24:52 <shirish> kart_: example please ?
17:24:55 <kart_> also not compromising Debian's philosophy is good idea.
17:25:02 <j4v4m4n> kart_: if there is enough interest we can work on it
17:25:06 <kart_> shirish: Drivers, Codecs
17:25:11 <j4v4m4n> kart_: driver
17:25:14 <j4v4m4n> kart_: yes
17:25:15 <kart_> j4v4m4n: lets finish last year's ITPs?
17:25:18 <kart_> :)
17:25:33 <kart_> Where are those stars from COEP?
17:25:36 <j4v4m4n> kart_: if people want to complete they will
17:25:49 <j4v4m4n> kart_: they may be busy in something else
17:25:50 <shirish> kart_: any ITP's filed from VIT, COEP folks ?
17:25:55 <j4v4m4n> kart_: there is no compulsion in debian
17:26:09 <kart_> j4v4m4n: that's point. We should teach them, not force.
17:26:14 <j4v4m4n> kart_: the drivers would be DFSG
17:26:21 <j4v4m4n> kart_: yes
17:26:49 <shirish> I was thinking drivers (atleast most of the time) is more of a kernel issue/thing.
17:26:50 <kart_> j4v4m4n: bad thing is that RFS reply to them went to /dev/null
17:26:51 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: shirish will cover that
17:27:16 <j4v4m4n> kart_: we can talk to them if they come this year
17:27:27 <kart_> lets see.
17:27:30 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: do you want any specific things to be covered
17:27:34 <kart_> j4v4m4n: have we found any sponsor?
17:27:44 <j4v4m4n> kart_: it will be self funded
17:28:06 <j4v4m4n> kart_: we can accomodate about 6-10 people
17:28:09 <shirish> kart_: pv me your e-mail address, would like to know about the RFS issues
17:28:18 <j4v4m4n> kart_: most of the people will be from Pune
17:28:45 <j4v4m4n> kart_: every one will buy their lunch
17:29:20 * j4v4m4n wonders if he talked too much :(
17:29:51 <abdulkarim_mobil> javam there won't be any entry fees, right?
17:30:11 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: nopes, as per our current plans
17:30:12 * shirish would like to know if there were/are any ITP's which were filed by any VIT/COEP folks
17:30:26 <shirish> or any other engg. college.
17:30:40 <kart_> j4v4m4n: self-funded is good idea.
17:30:43 <j4v4m4n> shirish: there are many from coep
17:30:54 <shirish> j4v4m4n: ok, that's news to me.
17:30:59 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  not specific details but about why a student should use debian
17:31:11 <kart_> shirish: not subscribed to debian-in-workers?
17:31:13 <j4v4m4n> kart_: vit will take care about basic facilities hall, labs and hostel
17:31:20 <abdulkarim_mobil> shirish i filed an itp
17:31:28 <shirish> sana: you are from COEP right ?
17:31:37 <kart_> j4v4m4n: great
17:31:42 <sana> shirish: yes
17:31:44 <j4v4m4n> shirish: can you cover what prathamesh asked?
17:31:53 <shirish> just a moment please.
17:32:39 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: prathamesh should we add a debian tools and processes talk as an intro to workshop on second day?
17:33:06 <shirish> not really, I cannot really think from a student's perspective as to why s/he should use debian
17:33:40 <j4v4m4n> shirish: consider them as any normal user
17:34:09 <shirish> j4v4m4n: I could do it, but it would be really a hash job.
17:34:47 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  yes
17:34:52 <j4v4m4n> sana: can you talk about your expereince in debian?
17:35:03 <j4v4m4n> sana: may be what is in there for a student?
17:35:03 <shirish> that would be good.
17:35:12 <j4v4m4n> sana: what all things you learned etc
17:35:22 <j4v4m4n> sana: what difficulties you faced etc
17:35:36 <shirish> that would be great .
17:35:38 <sana> j4v4m4n: okie, can try tat :)
17:35:45 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n, shirish that is good idea to learn from a student
17:36:10 <j4v4m4n> shirish: then both of you introduce debian
17:36:16 <shirish> bbiafm: will make chai
17:36:19 <j4v4m4n> sana: can give a student perspective
17:36:26 <shirish> that's also cool.
17:36:32 <shirish> sana: is that ok with you ?
17:36:42 <sana> shirish: yes
17:36:56 <sana> will do
17:37:11 <j4v4m4n> sana: shirish how you are going to split the topic is upto you too
17:37:43 <j4v4m4n> sana: shirish we hope a new person would get some idea as to what is debian and what they get when they particpate after your talks
17:37:57 <shirish> #action sana and shirish will jointly put up 'introduction to debian'
17:38:51 <shirish> sana: have you put up your e-mail address on http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConf2011/CountMeIn
17:39:10 <sana> shirish: nope.. wud do tat
17:39:47 <shirish> sana: please add to the list and if possible please send a mail, will take it from there.
17:39:58 <j4v4m4n> ok so should we do a debian tools and processed talk in the after noon
17:40:02 <sana> shirish: yup okie
17:40:23 <shirish> sana: also possible to know how many people interested in Debian from COEP? Maybe also talk to Abhijit ?
17:40:49 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  what topics will be covered in that ?
17:40:50 <j4v4m4n> sana: if you want include other coep students also in your team
17:41:05 <shirish> that's what I was hinting at :P
17:41:10 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: how to use the bug tracker
17:41:16 <shirish> would be nice if this can be done.
17:41:19 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: package tracking system etc
17:41:24 <sana> shirish: yes ..there wud be quite a few ppl interested..i'd talk to em
17:41:31 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: things that would be needed in packaging
17:41:42 <shirish> j4v4m4n: I could talk of stuff that would be nice to have in the BTS.
17:41:51 <shirish> the interface.
17:41:55 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: kind of a more technical introduction to debian
17:42:12 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: it may be even better to do that in the labs
17:42:16 <shirish> bbiafm , really need a chai.
17:42:19 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  ok so basically that we will use in labs in next 2 days
17:42:30 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: yes
17:42:45 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: abdulkarim_mobil done for the first day?
17:42:57 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: prathamesh cricket match if we finish early?
17:43:10 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  yes
17:43:26 <prathamesh> yes we will have a cricket match definitely
17:43:50 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: prathamesh ok so first day is done
17:43:56 <j4v4m4n> let me recap
17:44:06 <j4v4m4n> 1. intro video - hrushi and shravan
17:44:20 <j4v4m4n> 2. introduction to debian - talk by shirish and sana
17:44:51 <j4v4m4n> 3. panel discussion on GNU/Linux on desktop - issues, solutions, special interest groups
17:45:04 <abdulkarim_mobil> by?
17:45:08 <j4v4m4n> 4. developer's introduction to debian on tools
17:45:14 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: one person to moderate
17:45:28 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: Abhijit will confirm in a day or two
17:45:41 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: otherwise we can select one person
17:45:58 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: he/she just have to give chance to others to talk
17:46:09 <j4v4m4n> 1.5 talk by Vikram - missed that
17:46:16 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  panel will consist of ?
17:46:19 <abdulkarim_mobil> then wht abt vikram vincent
17:46:39 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: those who are already contributing, may be
17:46:46 <prathamesh> ok
17:47:11 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: or even we can do without panel - just one moderator and every one in the audience
17:47:18 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: may be one person to take notes
17:47:31 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: have a white board and marker
17:47:46 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  yes that can be done
17:47:55 <j4v4m4n> 5. cricket match
17:48:01 <j4v4m4n> done for first day
17:48:33 <j4v4m4n> second day is full fledged hands on workshop on packaging
17:48:52 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  vikram vincent talk ?
17:48:53 <abdulkarim_mobil> done
17:48:58 <j4v4m4n> Shravan, Rahul Behdarkar, myself and may be a few more people would be there
17:49:03 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: 1.5 :)
17:49:10 <j4v4m4n> first day second session
17:49:24 <prathamesh> ok
17:49:28 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: at least one person in each lab
17:49:35 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: how many labs do we have?
17:49:42 <abdulkarim_mobil> we have 4 labs... 3*22 + 1*50
17:50:05 <abdulkarim_mobil> atleast 2 in each lab
17:50:20 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: 112 people
17:50:49 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: if more people turn up we will use wifi and own laptops
17:50:57 <abdulkarim_mobil> or maybe we can have parallel tracks
17:51:22 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: each lab will have parallel sessions only
17:51:29 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: all will be doing packaging only
17:51:46 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: but each presenter will take his/her favorite package as example
17:52:01 <abdulkarim_mobil> yes
17:52:02 <kart_> j4v4m4n: is accomodation available?
17:52:09 <shirish> back
17:52:10 <j4v4m4n> kart_: to some people
17:52:12 <kart_> j4v4m4n: I may think to come down?
17:52:19 <j4v4m4n> kart_: yes
17:52:24 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: we have 6, right?
17:52:28 <kart_> j4v4m4n: let me check tickets rate and my balance :)
17:52:44 <shirish> back, trawling what I missed.
17:52:48 <j4v4m4n> kart_: we would love to have you.
17:53:13 <abdulkarim_mobil> kart_ we would love to see you :)
17:53:16 <j4v4m4n> kart_: if you are coming we can take developer's intro together
17:53:41 <prathamesh> kart_:yes please come
17:54:10 <j4v4m4n> kart_: in that case we can share your travel costs too
17:54:25 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: abdulkarim_mobil how about we add an optional entry fee?
17:54:41 <j4v4m4n> kart_: let us know how much is your ticket cost
17:55:00 <axeman> j4v4m4n: optional means ??
17:55:09 <prathamesh> ya same q
17:55:10 <j4v4m4n> axeman: people pay whatever they like
17:55:28 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: say we have this much cost for kart_'s ticket
17:55:39 <axeman> j4v4m4n: otherwise have T-Shirts..
17:55:43 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: axeman we can even sell t shirts
17:55:47 <j4v4m4n> axeman: :)
17:55:56 <j4v4m4n> axeman: I was thinking about the same thing
17:55:59 <abdulkarim_mobil> jaa sure :)
17:56:03 <axeman> :)
17:56:04 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: lets do t shirt then
17:56:11 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n, axeman ya good idea t shirt
17:56:14 <j4v4m4n> axeman: we will sell them and raise money
17:56:16 <kart_> j4v4m4n: ok. Let me email you by tomorrow for my plan.
17:56:25 <axeman> j4v4m4n: :)
17:56:26 <shirish> what I would suggest is to take some donations for packaging and maintaining packages perhaps.
17:56:29 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: we are anyway planning to print t shirts for diaspora
17:56:36 <kart_> j4v4m4n: I may ask my company, but I'm not sure (yet).
17:56:46 <shirish> that would help people/developers perhaps .
17:56:50 * shirish thinking aloud.
17:56:53 <j4v4m4n> kart_: let us know, we will find the money
17:57:01 <prathamesh> abdulkarim_mobil, can we take size on countmein  page ?
17:57:06 <j4v4m4n> shirish: possibel
17:57:15 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: add it
17:57:25 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: mention it, we will be selling the t shirts
17:57:36 <shirish> kart_: not a packager, hence not subscribed to debian-in-workers .
17:57:38 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  ok
17:57:40 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: abdulkarim_mobil yeah, other thing we can have a stall for diaspune there
17:57:44 <abdulkarim_mobil> prath add it to the wiki
17:57:49 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: abdulkarim_mobil we just need a desk
17:58:15 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: it takes minium 9 days for printing
17:58:23 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: so we need the designs by then
17:58:31 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: we have one design from last year
17:58:32 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  ya thats done we will have one desk outside audy
17:58:37 <j4v4m4n> made by Vipul
17:58:42 <abdulkarim_mobil> desk will not b am issue
17:59:02 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: so who is going to design the t shirt?
17:59:18 <axeman> j4v4m4n: i have a friend who can
17:59:27 <axeman> design t shirt
17:59:34 <j4v4m4n> axeman: cool! then lets ask him/her
17:59:48 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  can u share last years design
17:59:51 <j4v4m4n> axeman: as a fallback we can take last year's design
17:59:58 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: ask Vipul
18:00:00 <axeman> j4v4m4n: ya sure
18:00:20 <abdulkarim_mobil> ok i'll talk with vipul
18:00:23 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: vipul's contact details are in the wiki, ask him
18:00:28 <prathamesh> ok
18:00:39 <j4v4m4n> so first two days done
18:01:04 <j4v4m4n> third day will be practicing what you learned on day 2
18:01:18 <j4v4m4n> will take a new software not yet in debian and work on it
18:01:29 <j4v4m4n> all can discuss and help each other
18:01:40 <j4v4m4n> we will try diaspora as a team work
18:01:47 <abdulkarim_mobil> can we have 2 parallel tracks on 2nd day?
18:01:50 <j4v4m4n> people can take whatever software they link
18:02:08 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: each lab will have separate session
18:02:09 <abdulkarim_mobil> a seperate track for beginners...
18:02:12 <shirish> please put up the price beforehand (of the T-shirts) on that wiki page as well so people know before-hand.
18:02:15 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: lead by different people
18:02:29 <j4v4m4n> shirish: yes
18:03:17 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n, abdulkarim_mobil  we can have beginners session for half n hour n then continue to packaging
18:03:20 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: mention last year it was ~200 but this year same t shirt for chamba costed ~300, we will update exact prize when we know it
18:03:26 <abdulkarim_mobil> some students dont know how to use gcc...
18:03:31 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: meha's friend have a t shirt shop
18:03:48 <prathamesh> abdulkarim_mobil,  otherwise most of the people will go for beginners
18:03:49 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: shravan knows the place where we did last year's t shirt
18:04:18 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: on second day?
18:04:18 <abdulkarim_mobil> who will pay for initial Tshirt printing??
18:04:45 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: I can advance some, lets see how much it comes
18:04:48 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n, abdulkarim_mobil  yes abdul was talking abt parallel tracks on second day
18:04:58 <shirish> and what happens if people say they are interested and do not show up.
18:05:15 <shirish> also possible.
18:05:16 <j4v4m4n> shirish: we will go ahead with whoever turns us
18:05:21 <j4v4m4n> turns up
18:05:30 <j4v4m4n> even if one person is there we will go ahead
18:05:41 <j4v4m4n> also another thing I would like to emphasis
18:06:02 <shirish> j4v4m4n: that was not the point I was trying to make but go ahead.
18:06:06 <j4v4m4n> lets not take number of people attended as a parameter for success or failure
18:06:26 <shirish> j4v4m4n: yup, know what you mean.
18:06:29 <j4v4m4n> shirish: I didn't get it
18:06:58 <j4v4m4n> shirish: even if we get one package in debian I would think the effort is worth it
18:07:13 <j4v4m4n> well, it is upto each of you how you want to see it
18:07:40 <j4v4m4n> if we focus on numbers and less people come, it will be demotivating
18:07:44 <shirish> j4v4m4n: I was talking about the T-shirt thing.  I meant there is possibility that people say we are interested in T-shirts, you print, people who show up to claim T-shirts is less, that sort of thing.
18:07:51 <abdulkarim_mobil> 2 small labs for Beginners... we will start from abdolute basics
18:08:06 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: ok we can do that
18:08:08 <shirish> j4v4m4n: then there is potential loss for you or whoever takes it.
18:08:23 <j4v4m4n> shirish: don't worry we can sell it afterwards too
18:08:28 <shirish> that way I meant.
18:08:31 <j4v4m4n> shirish: did it for chamba
18:08:38 <shirish> j4v4m4n: I know.
18:08:43 <shirish> anyways, please carry on.
18:08:46 <j4v4m4n> shirish: it is sold out
18:08:55 <j4v4m4n> shirish: people still ask me if there is chamba t shirt
18:08:58 <shirish> j4v4m4n: cool :P
18:09:19 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: prathamesh axeman so someone please be the accountant
18:09:30 <j4v4m4n> take care of the accounts
18:09:45 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  yes
18:09:51 <abdulkarim_mobil> we can find a volunteer for that
18:10:00 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: cool
18:10:35 <j4v4m4n> so 2 labs for people who are already familiar with gnu/linux
18:10:42 <j4v4m4n> and two for absolute newbies?
18:11:01 <kart_> ok. all - laterz.
18:11:38 <axeman> j4v4m4n: well 2 or 1 we should decide on the number we get on that day
18:11:49 <j4v4m4n> axeman: ok
18:12:00 <abdulkarim_mobil> yes
18:12:03 <j4v4m4n> axeman: so newbies packaging session can go to 3rd day also
18:12:26 <j4v4m4n> anything else?
18:12:31 <axeman> j4v4m4n: yes
18:12:36 <j4v4m4n> update the list and wiki about today's things
18:12:49 <abdulkarim_mobil> last day???
18:12:50 <j4v4m4n> axeman: prathamesh abdulkarim_mobil any volunteer to update website?
18:12:54 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  can't we add beginner stuff for early part of packaging session for all
18:13:06 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: for beginners it could be still packging
18:13:13 <abdulkarim_mobil> ROR
18:13:22 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: others packaging a new software
18:13:31 <prathamesh> so that all will be parella
18:13:37 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: do we really want to mix ror here?
18:13:45 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: yes
18:14:00 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: it can be a whole conference on itself
18:14:11 <abdulkarim_mobil> ok lets keep it seperate
18:14:15 <abdulkarim_mobil> yeah
18:14:36 <j4v4m4n> so who is going to update the site?
18:14:41 <shirish> j4v4m4n: please use #action if you want to put some actionable items for the second or third day, that way it would be done by meetbot itself.
18:15:14 <shirish> then adding to the wiki would not be a big issue, just need to either copy or paste or just link the meetbot log (not the raw log_
18:15:18 <shirish> log )
18:15:48 <j4v4m4n> #action prathamesh or abdulkarim_mobil to update wiki and mailing list of today's highlights
18:16:03 <abdulkarim_mobil> ok
18:16:03 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  we can update site together me abdulkarim_mobil  axeman
18:16:06 <prathamesh> ok
18:16:25 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: abdulkarim_mobil axeman cool! follow these steps http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia/MiniDebConfSiteChange
18:16:39 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: labeeb and pradeep is there to help you with design
18:16:45 <axeman> j4v4m4n: ok
18:16:51 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  ok
18:16:54 <abdulkarim_mobil> javam i'll giv twhe websitr one more try...
18:17:21 <abdulkarim_mobil> DAMn this mobile keyboard sux :(
18:17:29 <j4v4m4n> axeman: create one page for kerala (already over - and move existing content there), maharashtra and karnataka (next one)
18:17:40 <prathamesh> abdulkarim_mobil, axeman  if we do it together then maybe it will be easy
18:18:06 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: clone it on gitorious and send me a merge request when ready
18:18:14 <prathamesh> ok
18:18:17 <shirish> ok. can somebody put up the action about the beginners and the gnu/linux lab sessions with time and stuff. Its still a muddle AFAIK
18:18:20 <prathamesh> i have cloned already
18:18:50 <j4v4m4n> shirish: we will ask every one if they consider themselves as absolute newbies
18:19:03 <j4v4m4n> shirish: have a separate lab for them
18:19:23 <j4v4m4n> shirish: we will spend more time on basics with them
18:19:30 <j4v4m4n> shirish: basics of command line, shell etc
18:19:35 <shirish> j4v4m4n: my query was to have actions with date,time,session kinda thing.
18:20:12 <shirish> so we know via the meeting logs as well as what's gonna be happening. Also easy for guys who update the wiki as well.
18:20:16 <j4v4m4n> shirish: ok when do we do this folks?
18:20:37 <j4v4m4n> shirish: after last session on first day?
18:21:04 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: keep separate sheets for both sessions
18:21:13 <shirish> j4v4m4n: wouldn't that be a bit too much. What time do you think we would end the first day as of now.
18:21:19 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: let people sign up for whichever session they want to join
18:21:32 <shirish> I would prefer it to be when people are fresh.
18:21:39 <j4v4m4n> shirish: may be on the first day then?
18:21:42 <shirish> usually after lunch, people are somewhat dozing.
18:22:06 <j4v4m4n> shirish: this is just to tell if they want to be in nebiews lab or not
18:22:23 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  we can start 2nd day early and tell them on first day abt it
18:22:31 <shirish> that would be cool.
18:22:38 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: ok then
18:22:41 <prathamesh> those who want to joing us can join
18:22:53 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: I like it better
18:23:08 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: that way only interested people would turn up on second day
18:23:11 <shirish> #action separate GNU/Linux beginner session on second day, some lab.
18:23:28 <shirish> how long the beginner session should be any ideas ?
18:23:53 <j4v4m4n> shirish: that session would assume they are beginners and take longer with packaging
18:24:23 <j4v4m4n> shirish: even packging session can spill to day 3
18:24:32 <shirish> j4v4m4n: know that. The point is to know what time the whole session would last, whole day, some idea
18:24:47 <j4v4m4n> shirish: where as the other sessions would try to finish packaging on day 2
18:24:48 <shirish> people would want to know how much time they would committing if they would be there.
18:25:11 <shirish> hmm... ok
18:25:14 <j4v4m4n> shirish: it really depends on how much they already know
18:25:37 <shirish> right. so shall we do this 'gnu/linux beginners guide to packaging' ?
18:25:41 <j4v4m4n> shirish: we would go till 5 pm and if we can't finish we will roll over to day 3
18:25:48 <shirish> understood.
18:25:58 <j4v4m4n> shirish: debian packaging for newbies?
18:26:13 <j4v4m4n> shirish: and debian packaging
18:26:15 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n,  shirish  yes we can give 5 pm fixed timing
18:26:16 <abdulkarim_mobil> time is not fixed... as long as all of them have finished packaging
18:26:38 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: for regular packaging session yes
18:26:54 <shirish> #action beginners class 'Debian packaging for GNU/Linux newbies'
18:26:56 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: fo newbies we will just say 5 pm and if we can't finish we will continue on day 3
18:27:13 <abdulkarim_mobil> fine
18:27:27 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: for other we will try to finish packaging by day 2 and they can pick a new package and start working on it on day 3
18:27:30 <shirish> #action newbies class till 17:00 hrs day 2 , may spill over to day 3.
18:28:33 <j4v4m4n> anything else?
18:28:33 <shirish> j4v4m4n: would you be introducing mentors.debian.net at some point ?
18:28:56 <j4v4m4n> shirish: yes, that would be covered
18:29:03 <shirish> j4v4m4n: ok cool.
18:29:15 <j4v4m4n> shirish: may be on day 1 my tools and processes talk
18:29:36 * j4v4m4n brb
18:29:39 <shirish> j4v4m4n: your talks and processes talk would be on day 1 or day 2 ?
18:29:52 <shirish> tk your time.
18:30:33 <shirish> abdulkarim_mobil: do you know when pravin is supposed to give his tools and processes talk ?
18:31:14 <prathamesh> shirish,  first day only na we dont have ne talks on second ..only labs
18:31:38 <shirish> prathamesh: ok. what time is he going to be talking.
18:32:04 <abdulkarim_mobil> prath i think the talk is on 2nd day
18:32:40 <shirish> I am confused as well, so clarification is needed.
18:32:52 <prathamesh> shirish,  abdulkarim_mobil  yes sorry its on second day
18:33:08 <j4v4m4n> shirish: first day last session
18:33:14 <shirish> lol :P
18:33:15 <j4v4m4n> shirish: in the lab
18:33:34 <shirish> j4v4m4n: any idea of the time you want to start the talk ?
18:33:43 <shirish> atleast have a basic idea
18:33:52 <j4v4m4n> shirish: after the discussion
18:33:58 <j4v4m4n> shirish: 3-5?
18:34:14 <j4v4m4n> 10-11 registration
18:34:18 <shirish> j4v4m4n: is there going to be a tea-break somewhere or no ?
18:34:23 <j4v4m4n> 11-12 intro
18:34:32 <j4v4m4n> 12-13 talk by Vikram
18:34:41 <j4v4m4n> 13-14 lunch
18:34:50 <j4v4m4n> 14-15 discussion
18:34:59 <j4v4m4n> want a tea break?
18:35:26 <j4v4m4n> 15.15 - 17.15 developers' intro to debian - tools and processes
18:35:39 <shirish> think it would be nice to have some sort of tea-break, if you are going to do a 2 hour marathon or maybe more.
18:36:03 <j4v4m4n> ok make it 15.30 to 17.00
18:36:05 <abdulkarim_mobil> ok lets finalise this for day 1
18:36:07 <shirish> abdulkarim_mobil: axeman: feel free to chime in.
18:36:12 <shirish> ok.
18:36:17 <j4v4m4n> 15.00 to 15.30 tea break
18:36:29 <axeman> j4v4m4n: tea at 3pm..??
18:36:51 <j4v4m4n> axeman: what time do you want it?
18:37:04 <axeman> we can serve tea in mid-session
18:37:10 <axeman> 1600 hrs may be
18:37:17 <j4v4m4n> axeman: ok
18:37:59 <axeman> j4m4v4n: cool then
18:38:22 <j4v4m4n> axeman: then I will start at 15.00 and will break at 16.00
18:38:46 <abdulkarim_mobil> ok done
18:39:11 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: one problem though
18:39:30 <j4v4m4n> if we are doing it in the lab then we need to do it in parallel :(
18:39:45 <abdulkarim_mobil> what?
18:40:00 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: I would like this to be in the lab
18:40:20 <abdulkarim_mobil> we can do it in Audi.. most of the students will be hving laptops
18:40:23 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: lets work on this talk together with all the people taking packaging session
18:40:36 <shirish> #action day 1 13-08-11: time-table 10-11 registration/introduction to Debian 12-13 talk by vikram 13-14 lunch 14-15 discussion on 'Debian on Desktop' 15-16 Pravin's talk 'Developers  introduction to debian -Tools and processes ' Pt 1 16 - 16:15 Tea break 16:15 - 17:15 'Developers introduction to Debian -Tools and processes' - Part 2.
18:40:55 <abdulkarim_mobil> then on the second day we cn strt wid a revision
18:40:59 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: like when I show them bug tracker, I would like every one to visit bugs.debian.org
18:41:36 <abdulkarim_mobil> thats why we are goimg to arrange WiFi in aufitorium
18:41:51 <j4v4m4n> shirish: 14-15 is discussion on GNU/Linux on Desktop (not specific to debian)
18:42:04 <j4v4m4n> shirish: issues like drivers, codecs are common to all distros
18:42:26 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: ok if people can share laptops that would do
18:42:46 <shirish> #action day 1 13-08-11 update : discussion on GNU/Linux on Desktop (not specific to debian) , issues like drivers, codecs which are common to all GNU/Linux distributions.
18:42:57 <shirish> ok.
18:43:01 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: I think it is still better if everyone can see those tools and try
18:43:40 <abdulkarim_mobil> the second day we can start with a recap
18:43:43 <shirish> hope people are able to access the Debian repo within the college.
18:44:02 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: ok
18:44:11 <shirish> abdulkarim_mobil: otherwise lot of time would be taken by downloading packages and be current.
18:44:12 <abdulkarim_mobil> shirish we have Debian unstable repo mirrored
18:44:33 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: mirror experimental too for gnome 3
18:44:36 <shirish> abdulkarim_mobil: I know, the thing is when many people try to access the mirror, sometimes issue happens.
18:44:45 <shirish> issue/issues
18:45:12 <abdulkarim_mobil> shirish we can have 2 mirrors setup
18:45:23 <j4v4m4n> shirish: how about gnome 3 session on day 3
18:45:24 <shirish> j4v4m4n: is there somethings that you would like people to install before-hand ?
18:45:39 <prathamesh> abdulkarim_mobil,  we can have one for mca lab and other for remainig
18:45:48 <abdulkarim_mobil> shirish will we need experimental repo too?
18:45:49 <j4v4m4n> shirish: installation is part of the workshop
18:46:09 <shirish> j4v4m4n: can help with that. But will be more comfortable with the GNOME 3 with gnome-session-fallback. Do not have the hardware for the shiny stuff.
18:46:20 <j4v4m4n> shirish: when they go back home, they should be able to do it again
18:46:34 <shirish> abdulkarim_mobil: if we want GNOME 3 then yes, also maybe browsers and things.
18:46:55 <shirish> atleast that's what I borrow from experimental.
18:46:57 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: mirror mozilla.debian.net too
18:46:58 <shirish> :P
18:46:58 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n, shirish  can we make pdfs beforehand stored on lab pc's abt steps ..
18:47:03 <abdulkarim_mobil> do we need minimal debian Vbox?
18:47:25 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: pdfs are maint-guide package
18:47:33 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: it is already mirrored
18:47:40 <shirish> #action VIT folks to mirror mozilla.debian.net repo for the session.
18:47:46 <prathamesh> ok
18:47:57 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: yes, that would be good
18:48:24 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: so how many routers do you have in college?
18:48:37 <shirish> prathamesh: steps for .... ?
18:48:46 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: check with shravan if you can borrow some
18:49:01 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: may be we can make cofsug part of organising team
18:49:20 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: coep have some extra wifi routers
18:49:36 <abdulkarim_mobil> yeah sure
18:49:51 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: who maintains your vit-lug?
18:49:57 <prathamesh> shirish, people should be able to do it after  going home also na  so we can prepare some documentation for them
18:50:00 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: my membership is still not approved I think
18:50:03 <abdulkarim_mobil> we :)
18:50:14 <abdulkarim_mobil> we call it VALU
18:50:27 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: I mean the yahoo group vit-lug
18:50:27 <abdulkarim_mobil> Vit Active Linux Users
18:50:44 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: do you have a mailing list?
18:51:04 <prathamesh> j4v4m4n, valu.onlinegroups.net
18:51:15 <j4v4m4n> prathamesh: awesome!
18:51:25 <abdulkarim_mobil> no group on yahoo is known to me
18:51:30 <abdulkarim_mobil> :D
18:51:51 <prathamesh> ya me too dnt know abt it
18:52:08 <abdulkarim_mobil> mrunmayee is the admin of  out mailing list
18:52:30 <abdulkarim_mobil> out/our
18:52:37 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: joined
18:52:39 * shirish not sure whether or not I am subscribed to the VIT ML .
18:53:10 <shirish> don't see how one subscribs to the ML via http://valu.onlinegroups.net/
18:53:19 <j4v4m4n> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/vit-lug/
18:53:20 <shirish> those details are not shared/given.
18:53:39 <abdulkarim_mobil> :)
18:53:45 <j4v4m4n> shirish: just sign up there
18:54:06 <j4v4m4n> shirish: click on groups tab and click on join
18:54:15 <shirish> drats, not a yahoo user and its a pain to remember yahoo credentials.
18:54:46 <abdulkarim_mobil> javaman u have succesfully joined our mailing list... just got an email :)
18:54:47 <j4v4m4n> shirish: don't go to yahoo group
18:54:52 <j4v4m4n> shirish: that is inactive
18:55:32 <shirish> then where ?
18:56:10 <prathamesh> http://valu.onlinegroups.net/
18:56:25 <j4v4m4n> shirish: which runs on Free Software
18:56:32 <prathamesh> click on login then click signup
18:56:33 <shirish> prathamesh: lol, went there the thing is cannot see a subscription page anywhere.
18:56:37 <shirish> drats
18:56:42 <shirish> ok, that's a bug there.
18:56:48 <j4v4m4n> shirish: groupserver software is mailing list/forum combo, I really like it
18:57:27 <axeman> ok joined.. :)
18:57:40 <shirish> j4v4m4n: was commenting that, login and sign up should have been two seperate links and not log in > sign up.
18:57:41 <j4v4m4n> shirish: there is a link Join groups
18:57:52 <shirish> Its not discoverable .
18:57:54 <axeman> shirish: goto login and then click sing up
18:58:05 <axeman> sing/sign
18:58:24 <j4v4m4n> shirish: "When people join groups and post to them" has alink
18:58:25 <shirish> doing it.
18:59:25 <j4v4m4n> shirish: same login can be used for all onlinegroups.net lists like diaspune.onlinegroups.net
19:00:04 <j4v4m4n> #action #diaspune to get a desk near the hall
19:01:39 <shirish> #action ask people to join VIT-LUG at http://valu.onlinegroups.net/
19:02:07 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: there is http://is.gd/mdcvit for short url to registration page
19:02:26 <j4v4m4n> shirish: it is VALU not VIT-LUG (which is inactive now)
19:03:17 <shirish> #action update ask people to join VALU at http://valu.onlinegroups.net/
19:03:24 <shirish> done.
19:03:42 <abdulkarim_mobil> valu also has a meaning in Marathi, it means an animal which looks somewht like the GNU mascot
19:04:00 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: in Malayalam valu means tail :)
19:04:12 <prathamesh> it was idea of mihir vaidya
19:04:36 <abdulkarim_mobil> :)
19:05:19 <axeman> valu is marathi movie abt an ox..!!!
19:05:38 <j4v4m4n> axeman: cool!
19:06:33 <axeman> :)
19:06:38 <j4v4m4n> so are we closing the meeting yet?
19:07:07 <shirish> I think day 2 action still needs to be spelled clearly.
19:07:14 <abdulkarim_mobil> shirish is now a member of VALU :D
19:07:15 <shirish> do the time table for day 2 and then day 3.
19:07:48 <j4v4m4n> shirish: those are just one session
19:07:59 <j4v4m4n> shirish: 10 am to 5 pm with flexi breaks
19:08:01 <shirish> just the packaging session .
19:08:20 <j4v4m4n> shirish: day 2 is workshop and day 3 is hacking
19:08:33 <j4v4m4n> shirish: day 2 learn packging, day 3 do packging
19:08:48 <j4v4m4n> shirish: show you have learned it :)
19:08:52 <shirish> #action 14-08-11 packaging session for beginners and advanced, separate labs , learn packaging. '
19:09:24 <shirish> #action 15-08-11 : package some software which is not in Debian Universe.
19:09:31 <shirish> j4v4m4n: is that ok ?
19:09:35 <j4v4m4n> shirish: yes
19:09:49 <abdulkarim_mobil> yes
19:10:16 <shirish> ok, are there any softwares you guys have ideas about what you want to see packaged in Debian ?
19:10:16 <j4v4m4n> shirish: get help when you need it (there will be people who know packaging to help on day 3)
19:10:21 <abdulkarim_mobil> javaman Muneeb is currently working on packaging Unetbootin
19:10:28 <j4v4m4n> shirish: diaspora, gitorious
19:10:37 <j4v4m4n> abdulkarim_mobil: cool!
19:10:59 <j4v4m4n> shirish: that itself has so many dependency and each person can take one ruby gem :)
19:11:17 <j4v4m4n> shirish: plus you can push your wishlist too
19:11:22 <shirish> #action packages considered for packaging not yet in Debian -diaspora, gitorious with its associated dependencies.
19:11:44 <j4v4m4n> shirish: people can take any package and those who can't find one may take one from the suggested list
19:12:03 <shirish> I would be interested in few game engines which would make it easy/easier for people who want to make games.
19:12:18 <j4v4m4n> shirish: come with a list and motivate people!
19:12:25 <shirish> j4v4m4n: do know that.
19:12:28 <j4v4m4n> shirish: may be bring some chocolates :)
19:13:08 <shirish> j4v4m4n: can do that. I can bring a list and maybe also show them why it could be cool to to have it in debian.
19:13:27 <abdulkarim_mobil> :D chocolates for volunteers..
19:13:31 <j4v4m4n> shirish: yes!
19:13:45 <axeman> abdulkarim_mobil: :D
19:13:50 <j4v4m4n> another marketing idea
19:13:51 <shirish> j4v4m4n: not so sure about the second one. If I do do that, there is possibility that chocolates may get eaten by the one who brings :P
19:14:26 <shirish> atleast negative from my side, have a weakness for sweet :P
19:14:42 <j4v4m4n> shirish: we can advertise the event like this - "do you miss any software in debian? do you want to see it packaged? come with a box of chocolates and see if anyone would help you".
19:14:53 <abdulkarim_mobil> volunteers will take care that won't happen :D
19:15:07 <prathamesh> :D
19:15:12 <shirish> j4v4m4n: that is not a bad idea in itself.
19:15:24 <j4v4m4n> #action make sure shirish don't get to eat any sweets
19:15:35 <shirish> lol :P
19:16:24 <shirish> ok, can be here for another 15-20 minutes more and then time to hit the sack.
19:16:41 <j4v4m4n> lets wind up then
19:16:52 <shirish> should we close the meet now and be informal or is there something else anybody wants to speak up
19:17:26 <j4v4m4n> #action hightlight package for chocolate deal in website!
19:17:43 <abdulkarim_mobil> prath axeman muneeb would u like to add something ?
19:17:55 <shirish> #action "do you miss any software in debian? do you want to see it packaged? come with a box of chocolates and see if anyone would help you".
19:18:29 <j4v4m4n> sana: anything to add? or already alseep :)
19:18:37 <j4v4m4n> bubulle: thanks for coming
19:18:49 <j4v4m4n> bubulle: any tips or suggestions?
19:19:14 <j4v4m4n> shirish: btw how did we get MeetBot here?
19:19:51 <shirish> j4v4m4n: that was easy, just go to #meetbot, ask darst the maintainer/developer and he gets the bot in the channel that needs it.
19:20:20 <shirish> j4v4m4n: although saw later that the code can be pulled for an independant IRC server as well if needed.
19:21:23 <shirish> j4v4m4n: darcs get http://darcs.debian.org/darcs/collab-maint/MeetBot/  # stable code
19:21:24 <shirish> darcs get http://code.zgib.net/MeetBot/  # dev code
19:21:41 <abdulkarim_mobil> what if darst is offline?
19:22:36 <darst> I will leave it idling in the channel, so it'll always be there, if you want that
19:22:41 <darst> just ask a day or so in advance
19:23:10 <shirish> darst: thank you for the service.
19:23:47 <shirish> j4v4m4n: do you want to do the honors of shutting down the meet.
19:24:00 <shirish> shutting/winding down the meet.
19:24:21 <abdulkarim_mobil> ok..
19:24:22 <abdulkarim_mobil> thank you for the service darst :)
19:24:33 <j4v4m4n> darst: thanks!
19:24:50 <j4v4m4n> #endmeeting