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[17:03:21] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 1. Welcome<br />
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[17:03:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; hey all!<br />
[17:03:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; hey hey!<br />
[17:03:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, thanks for chairing! :)<br />
[17:04:07] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; ...i had to try it one time :)<br />
[17:04:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; anyone up for briefly summarizing?<br />
[17:04:40] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; ok.<br />
[17:05:01] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; b457144n|home: thanks!<br />
[17:05:15] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #agreed b457144n|home writes a brief summary<br />
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[17:05:29] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 3. Progress since last meeting<br />
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[17:05:36] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; should we start here?<br />
[17:06:10] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 3.1 projects from people / national grassroots<br />
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[17:07:10] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i have been in copenhagen during the weekend, on the nordic game jam. it was a lot of fun and really exhausting<br />
[17:07:37] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; there were not many games developed for olpc though. the topic was "taboo", and many people used microsofts XNA for developing for the xbox<br />
[17:08:11] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but in general the interest in olpc was very high - often easy, since almost no-one had their hands on them<br />
[17:08:23] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; At our last olpc-nl meeting people presented a project that might be interesting to other groups in Europe as well: "do miles for millenium". They will travel by bus through Poland, Russia, Mongolia, Nepal, India. Visiting OLPC projects.<br />
[17:08:43] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; do -> making<br />
[17:09:10] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; anyone from Poland or Russia here?<br />
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[17:09:23] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC-NL_Making_Miles_for_Millennium_2008<br />
[17:09:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; h01ger: did meetbot take this link now?<br />
[17:10:03] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; doesn't look like it?<br />
[17:10:03] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; b457144n|home: that sounds like a fun trip :)<br />
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[17:10:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.20080207_1703.html has it<br />
[17:10:57] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; perfect<br />
[17:11:03] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; what else is going on?<br />
[17:11:14] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; crazy-chris: indeed it does, but they want to help too, with public relations, fund raising, consultancy and operational help<br />
[17:11:35] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; we found a school interested in starting a pilot<br />
[17:11:41] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; here in NL<br />
[17:12:00] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; hi groupsky. backlog: http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.20080207_1703.html<br />
[17:12:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, great news!<br />
[17:13:54] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: indeed. I'd like to discuss contacts with OLPC Boston for this. Or shall we do that at item 5?<br />
[17:13:59] * h01ger has discussed using the XO as xterminal for older pupils, tests in an existing setup pending :) (as teachers would really like to get rid of the cables and the fixed tables (with normal pcs)..)<br />
[17:14:23] * h01ger thinks its 5 but chris is the chair :)<br />
[17:14:28] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; In the first meeting we talked about OLPC Europe improving communications with Boston.<br />
[17:14:53] * crazy-chris remembers that<br />
[17:14:55] * h01ger nods. this is definitly very ontopic :)<br />
[17:15:35] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; b457144n|home: suggestions / ideas?<br />
[17:15:43] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; or all!<br />
[17:15:49] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; has anyone of you discussed this with them? More specifically, who should we talk with to initiate the pilot?<br />
[17:16:38] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i'm not well informed on this, but i believe most pilots were started by 'simply' starting them<br />
[17:16:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, i think this topic is intended as brief summary, we have more brief topics and later time to talk more about this pilot.<br />
[17:17:01] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; So far, our contact point is SJ but he appears to be rather busy<br />
[17:17:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, i think you can just write a mail to _sj| who will then forward it to the right person. mail is better than irc, as it stays in the inbox til its done :)<br />
[17:17:57] * h01ger msged b457144n|home another email address<br />
[17:18:17] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; so we talk about pilots again later on<br />
[17:18:38] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; communication channels to boston seems to be mostly sj at the moment<br />
[17:18:42] * h01ger suggests to place a #action we need to establish _and_ document a procedure how to get a pilot started. which is on our todo and agenda :)<br />
[17:19:22] * b457144n|home agrees with h01ger<br />
[17:19:24] * crazy-chris nods<br />
[17:19:26] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action we need to establish _and_ document a procedure how to get a pilot started<br />
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[17:19:45] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 3.2. infrastructure: domain name, email<br />
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[17:20:59] * h01ger added project application to the agenda but forgot to tell here that i changed it 10min before the meeting... this subtopic is basically covered with: "no update on the project application, so holger will send a reminder mail to the devel list" - if you agree i should do this :)<br />
[17:21:19] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay!<br />
[17:21:28] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; status quo: domain names point to [[olpc europe]], and no mail addresses are in use<br />
[17:22:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; which domain name was it? :)<br />
[17:22:38] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; olpc-europe.org and olpceurope.org<br />
[17:22:40] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: I thougt projectdb.olpc.at was new?<br />
[17:23:28] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i think it's a misunderstanding: h01ger talked about the "olpc europe project" at dev.laptop.org<br />
[17:23:38] * h01ger hasnt heard about projectdb.olpc.at until now<br />
[17:23:46] * h01ger nods crazy-chris <br />
[17:23:49] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; crazy-chris; ah I see.<br />
[17:24:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; what is this projectdb?<br />
[17:24:25] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes, projectdb is the database, sj, aaron and me are working on<br />
[17:24:41] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; actually it's point 3.4 on the agenda.<br />
[17:24:50] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; :-)<br />
[17:24:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; ah<br />
[17:25:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we could just move there... :)<br />
[17:25:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; projectdb.olpc.at should IMHO link to some explaination url :)<br />
[17:25:12] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 3.4. developer pogram<br />
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[17:25:28] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #link http://projectdb.olpc.at<br />
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[17:25:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, no news on newsletter? thats an info :)<br />
[17:25:45] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; anachronism :)<br />
[17:25:51] &lt;groupsky&gt; shouldn't projectdb move to olpc eu domain?<br />
[17:26:33] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; about the projectdb<br />
[17:26:45] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; it's basically a place where people can apply for laptops with project ideas<br />
[17:27:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; the db serves as an interface for the distribution as well as the track-keeping and exchange of laptops<br />
[17:27:16] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; crazy-chris: btw, is there a way to register a laptop we (olpc-nl) already have?<br />
[17:27:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; this is the (limited) developer program we are working on bringing it to europe<br />
[17:28:00] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; at the ccc, basically there have been 200 laptops per month announced<br />
[17:28:01] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, ah. nice! you should really put some explaination text on that url / login page<br />
[17:28:18] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but work is in progress, and we have no clear information, how / when it will start<br />
[17:28:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; last week 100 laptops were given away at random LCA visitors..! :)<br />
[17:28:34] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; b457144n|home: thanks, that's a great idea! you're not the first for that<br />
[17:29:08] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; h01ger: explanation: yes. but it's just in alpha phase<br />
[17:29:16] * h01ger is happy that he can finally point people somewhere where they can get laptops ;)<br />
[17:29:30] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes!<br />
[17:29:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, by now i've understood that :)<br />
[17:29:43] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: random? arrhg, there goes the principe that you have to earn them by doing cool projects :-)<br />
[17:29:48] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; it also creates an automated wiki entry for each project<br />
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[17:29:56] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/Bot_List<br />
[17:30:07] * b457144n|home likes it<br />
[17:31:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; let's start the first field test with it!<br />
[17:31:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, mostly developers of some sort. and that anybody can apply, doesnt mean everybody will get one ;)<br />
[17:31:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, niiice<br />
[17:32:24] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we hope that in february, the first laptops can be sent<br />
[17:32:29] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: I meant your 'random LCA visitor' remark<br />
[17:33:17] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; the first 2 will arrive tomorrow, yay!<br />
[17:33:26] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; finally!<br />
[17:33:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, ah. they figured that most LCA visitors would be insightful enough to pass it on, if they dont have a good use for it. many people have more toys than they can reasonable play with..<br />
[17:33:36] * b457144n|home refers to the two XOs Rut will bring to Amsterdam<br />
[17:34:21] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; next topic?<br />
[17:34:26] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: I hope so too.<br />
[17:34:44] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; let's skip<br />
[17:34:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 3.3. newsletter<br />
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[17:34:59] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; oh, we were at 3.2<br />
[17:35:34] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; any news on that?<br />
[17:35:41] &lt;crazy-chris&gt;  for the newsletter: i have been drowning in work and action, and will post something on the mailing list today<br />
[17:35:52] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; to ask people to send me infos or whatever<br />
[17:36:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, http://ozlabs.org/~rusty/index.cgi/2008/01/30#2008-01-30-1<br />
[17:36:23] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i'll try to make something out of it the next days<br />
[17:36:42] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we can still focus on 10. feb, but if noone can help me, it will be a rather short newsletter<br />
[17:37:13] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action chris sends a info about the newsletter to the mailing list today<br />
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[17:37:49] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, as we dont have the git repo, lets collects the news on a wiki page? please include a url with a skeleton page in that mail ;)<br />
[17:38:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; good idea. can do :)<br />
[17:38:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; :)<br />
[17:38:41] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; back to infrastructure?<br />
[17:39:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; werent we done with that?<br />
[17:39:21] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; b457144n|home?<br />
[17:39:23] &lt;h01ger&gt; we only have 20 more minutes :)<br />
[17:39:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 4.  Fosdem<br />
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[17:39:58] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 4.1. Talk<br />
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[17:39:59] * b457144n|home agrees to move on<br />
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[17:40:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Events/FOSDEM<br />
[17:40:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; its not yet in the official fosdem schedule but should be by tomorrow...<br />
[17:40:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'm curious in which track they'll put it :)<br />
[17:40:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; summary, besides the url: planning is on track<br />
[17:42:01] &lt;h01ger&gt; though i basically skipped the tshirt idea: no time, and no means to transport them to brussels. yokoy made a logo, so anyone who would want to make those tshirts and bring them to fosdem, could do so. i'd very much appreciate that :)<br />
[17:42:02] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: the agenda on that pages is for the 2 hours we got?<br />
[17:42:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, yes. the agenda is quite empty. i think each group will have 2-5 min (per default) for introduction/report from their project<br />
[17:42:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; and depending on the number of project we can plan the rest of the time<br />
[17:42:59] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats why i want each project to list themself on that wiki page<br />
[17:43:31] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: so it's an 'incrowd talk<br />
[17:43:37] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; ' rather than a presentation?<br />
[17:43:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; i see my role mostly as a moderator there. i can come up with things to present if needed, but i think we'll mostly communicate there<br />
[17:43:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, yes, i think so.. :)<br />
[17:44:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; what do you think it should be?<br />
[17:45:02] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I'm fine with that. I prefer an interactive discuss over static presentations<br />
[17:45:12] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; discuss -> discussion<br />
[17:45:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; ah, okay. i was unclear if it would be a presentation or rather communicating<br />
[17:46:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; if some group/presentator for a subtopic wants to use slides, i'm fine that. but that persons needs to check+setup vga-out in advance :)<br />
[17:47:23] * h01ger suggests to finalize the agenda for the fosdem event a week in advance and sets himself a reminder to do so :) if we have the next irc meeting in two weeks we can also discuss the agenda there, as its two days before fosdem then <br />
[17:48:15] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action  finalize the agenda for the fosdem event a week in advance and sets himself a reminder to do so :) if we have the next irc meeting in two weeks we can also discuss the agenda there<br />
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[17:48:39] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; almost :p<br />
[17:48:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; :) reminder set :)<br />
[17:48:53] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; :-)<br />
[17:49:22] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i hope i can come to fosdem!<br />
[17:49:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, #action the event will be more an open but structured discussion, than a talk. details on the event-wikipage linked above<br />
[17:50:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action the event will be more an open but structured discussion, than a talk. details on the event-wikipage linked above<br />
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[17:50:08] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger, wouldn't that be an #agree?<br />
[17:50:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; also, re: 4.2 tshirts #action tshirts will not be done til fosdem unless YOU print and bring them. logo available<br />
[17:50:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, absolutly<br />
[17:50:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; (#agree)<br />
[17:50:55] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: just for the summary :-)<br />
[17:51:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #agree the event will be more an open but structured discussion, than a talk. details on the event-wikipage linked above<br />
[17:51:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #agree tshirts will not be done til fosdem unless YOU print and bring them. logo available<br />
[17:51:47] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; next?<br />
[17:52:22] * h01ger nods<br />
[17:52:27] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 5. Pilot projects<br />
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[17:52:28] * b457144n|home too<br />
[17:52:40] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; ah, back at pilot projects :-)<br />
[17:53:01] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; unfortunately I did not have the time to write anything about them on the wiki<br />
[17:53:53] * h01ger will link the existing two pages and the to be written page (the howto start..) together after the meeting..<br />
[17:54:06] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; ok<br />
[17:54:14] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; great!<br />
[17:54:22] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action h01ger will link the existing two pages and the to be written page (the howto start..) together after the meeting<br />
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[17:54:52] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, and then i hope you(r project) will document your procedure while you start+do the pilot :)<br />
[17:55:18] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; do you know how the laptops are ordered for the pilots? Via GiveMany or some other way?<br />
[17:55:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; then others will join in, and olpc europe reached one goal: to make it easier to start pilots and to help boston with all the requests :)<br />
[17:55:41] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: yeah, we'll just document along with our progress<br />
[17:56:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i think most laptops were received by visiting the people in boston :)<br />
[17:56:11] * h01ger _thinks_ (or seems to remember he heard) there is some other way. but dont take my word for this. might be totally fantasy ;)<br />
[17:56:30] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I'll ask Boston<br />
[17:57:18] * h01ger nods<br />
[17:57:22] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; any status updates on already started pilots?<br />
[17:57:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, and great!! (that you plan to document!)<br />
[17:58:23] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #link http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Pilots<br />
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[17:58:31] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: when you have limited RAM you learn how to write to disk :-)<br />
[17:58:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; heh<br />
[18:00:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; next topic?<br />
[18:00:11] * crazy-chris nods<br />
[18:00:14] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I guess.<br />
[18:00:28] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; noone talking today is already running a pilot<br />
[18:01:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; i guess we should announce the meetings on the lists..<br />
[18:01:21] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yeah<br />
[18:01:25] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 6. next meeting<br />
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[18:01:27] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; yeah it's a bit silent<br />
[18:01:45] * h01ger will set up another reminder for that once we decided a date. in two weeks?<br />
[18:01:54] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #agree send a reminder for the next meeting to the list<br />
[18:02:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; two weeks sounds good<br />
[18:02:07] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; yeah, I think the current schedule is ok<br />
[18:02:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; same time?<br />
[18:02:48] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; is good for me<br />
[18:02:49] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; yes<br />
[18:02:52] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #agree next meeting in 2 weeks, same time<br />
[18:03:04] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 7. any other business<br />
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[18:03:14] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; just in time :)<br />
[18:03:29] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I have on thing for this topic :-)<br />
[18:04:03] &lt;h01ger&gt; reminder set. /me loves cron :)<br />
[18:04:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action holger sends a reminder about the next meeting<br />
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[18:05:01] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; Someone in our group working on corporate sponsorship from IT companies: donation of time and resources<br />
[18:05:31] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; Do any of you have experience with managing this?<br />
[18:05:50] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; Or do you have a good topic for these companies to work on?<br />
[18:06:11] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; We're collecting good idea's to present to these companies<br />
[18:06:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; nope. debian has a sponsors page and sponsors are happy if they are mentioned in announcements (of the new hardware or the meetings travel money they sponsored)<br />
[18:06:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; announcements to lists or blogs<br />
[18:06:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; (nope=thats all i know)<br />
[18:06:59] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: the aim is to let them sponsor manpower rather than donate money<br />
[18:07:32] * h01ger nods<br />
[18:07:55] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; that's all for me, right now.<br />
[18:08:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; hm... maybe drop a mail to a list about that?<br />
[18:08:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, where are you collecting those ideas? wiki?<br />
[18:08:42] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; crazy-chris: yeah, will do that too.<br />
[18:09:05] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: they are not in the wiki yet, but should and will be.<br />
[18:09:16] * h01ger nods & cheers :)<br />
[18:09:17] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; it's a very interesting question<br />
[18:09:47] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action bastiaan sends a mail to a list about ideas on how comanies can donate manpower instead of money<br />
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[18:10:15] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; ha, you can write #action statements faster than I do :-)<br />
[18:10:39] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but with typo :( :p<br />
[18:10:55] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I'll fixt that in the summary :-)<br />
[18:11:02] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; and mine too :-)<br />
[18:11:04] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and meetbot trashed that:<br />
[18:11:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #agree next meeting in 2 weeks, same time<br />
[18:11:19] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; hm... doesn't like that<br />
[18:11:30] * h01ger raises an eyebrow<br />
[18:11:45] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; anything else? otherwise I'm going to get my kid and have dinner<br />
[18:12:03] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; thanks for the talk!<br />
[18:12:12] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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