Started logging meeting in #olpc-europe, times are UTC.<br />
[17:04:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'll chair. better than waiting ;)<br />
[17:05:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 1. who writes the summary<br />
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[17:05:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; someone please volunteer to write the summary of this meeting<br />
[17:06:12] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay, i'll do it<br />
[17:06:16] &lt;h01ger&gt; meetbot helps by providing notes at http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.20080221_1704.html<br />
[17:06:20] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, great<br />
[17:06:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action crazy-chris writes the summary<br />
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[17:06:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 2. welcome<br />
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[17:06:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi<br />
[17:06:47] * b457144n|home was at the door receiving the two laptops from Austria :-)<br />
[17:06:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; please indicate your presence<br />
[17:06:55] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; heya<br />
[17:06:56] * h01ger = Holger Levsen<br />
[17:07:15] * bertf = Bert Freudenberg<br />
[17:07:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n|home, hehe, nice<br />
[17:07:19] * b457144n|home = Bastiaan Bakker, living in Zoetermeer, the Netherlands<br />
[17:07:25] * crazy-chris = Chris Hager<br />
[17:08:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; alright..<br />
[17:08:15] * b457144n|home apologizes for still having only partially completed the summary of the last meeting<br />
[17:08:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3. progress since last meeting<br />
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[17:08:43] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.1 progress since last meeting - projects from people / national grassroots<br />
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[17:09:30] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; the people from 'making miles for millenium' are making progress.<br />
[17:10:20] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; about the european laptop program we have no news... maybe next meeting. we keep working on the back- and frontend (http://projectdb.olpc.at) in the meantime<br />
[17:10:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; "olpc germany" now has a timeline to finalise on its name :)  and we'll have a face2face meeting at cebit. and we discussed when we want to do our official founding event, which shall also be a party, to network with interested people and organisations and generate press<br />
[17:10:45] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; crazy-chris: what happens with the projectdb submissions?<br />
[17:10:53] * h01ger notes "european laptop program" as a new term ;)<br />
[17:11:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; they are saved, and put into http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Projects/Bot_List<br />
[17:11:13] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I mean who approves them?<br />
[17:11:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; no one at the moment. that's why it's not yet working. people from the mit had a look at it, and we're in contact with brightstar, who might ship the laptops to europe then<br />
[17:12:00] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; the guy from MM4M wants to get 30 laptops to Russia<br />
[17:12:22] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; but did not get any answer from the US yet<br />
[17:12:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; #idea lots of interesting news in the log - read it :)<br />
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[17:13:37] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; he also mailed developer@laptop.org.<br />
[17:14:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; shall we move on?<br />
[17:14:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; or are there more news/progress?<br />
[17:15:01] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; well, we had our monhtly meeting last week<br />
[17:15:39] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; not much interesting from that though<br />
[17:15:56] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.1 progress since last meeting - domain name, email, project application<br />
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[17:16:23] &lt;{Nico}&gt; 'lo (sorry i'm late)<br />
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[17:16:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://www.olpc-europe.org is working now (which might have been the case at the last meeting already)<br />
[17:16:38] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; hey {Nico}<br />
[17:16:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; hi {Nico}, backlog is at http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.log.20080221_1704.html in case you dont have it<br />
[17:17:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; i dunno about the status of email nor what it should be..<br />
[17:17:22] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; me neither... status = None<br />
[17:17:39] &lt;b457144n|home&gt;  mail.olpc-europe.org doesn't do anything?<br />
[17:17:48] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; nope<br />
[17:17:50] &lt;h01ger&gt; and for the project application i (or someone else) should ping that thread on devel@<br />
[17:18:24] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe that's not supposed to be hosted on d.l.o... we'll see<br />
[17:19:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; what about emails... ideas, wishes?<br />
[17:19:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; do we want/need mail.olpc-europe.org to work?<br />
[17:19:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; i'd say not really.<br />
[17:20:00] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; if we want olpc-europe to be a communication hub to the US, I guess we do.<br />
[17:20:46] &lt;h01ger&gt; i said after reading the vision again today, but b457144n has a point. but then, isnt it about connecting with people, more than having official sounding email addresses?<br />
[17:20:48] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I still don't know which email address to give to people if they have serious questions<br />
[17:21:19] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i see points in both...<br />
[17:21:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; right. national email addresses takes more time..<br />
[17:21:43] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I don't care if the address sounds official or not.<br />
[17:21:45] &lt;jaume&gt; i think can be usefull to clarify to have also email adresses with olpc europe<br />
[17:22:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; so i'd see olpc-europe.org mailaddresses as temporarly ones (for the individual users of them)<br />
[17:22:43] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I mean just a contact@ address or similar, not individual ones<br />
[17:22:52] * h01ger nods<br />
[17:23:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, does olpc austria do mailhosting?<br />
[17:23:13] * crazy-chris thinks this could make sense<br />
[17:23:18] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes<br />
[17:23:19] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; And that people reading conact@ are in contact with people in boston<br />
[17:23:26] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we can make an alias?<br />
[17:23:36] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; so questions will actually be answered<br />
[17:23:52] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; sounds interesting -- let's see how/if we use that<br />
[17:23:57] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and evaluate in a month or so<br />
[17:24:05] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; unlike mail to @laptop.org<br />
[17:24:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, then you should probably also do mail.olpc-europe.org! :) (if not, i would have offered to do it)<br />
[17:24:41] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i don't need to do it :) ... what do you mean with mail.olpc-europe.org actually?<br />
[17:24:56] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; b457144n: lol<br />
[17:25:19] &lt;h01ger&gt; forward-addresses or real mail setup (imap/pop,smtp,webmail)<br />
[17:25:30] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; crazy-chris: I wasn't trying to be funny :-/<br />
[17:26:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, can you evaluate whats possible til next meeting and then we can discuss and finalise this then?<br />
[17:26:28] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; sure. we can setup contact@olpc-europe.org right now, and you can use this at fosdem if you like<br />
[17:26:37] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; just a forwarder to us<br />
[17:27:05] &lt;h01ger&gt; cool<br />
[17:27:30] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; good, that should suffice<br />
[17:27:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action crazy-chris evaluates whats possible for a mail setup til next meeting and then we can discuss and finalise this then?<br />
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[17:27:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; next?<br />
[17:27:53] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; contact with US<br />
[17:28:21] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n, ?<br />
[17:28:30] &lt;h01ger&gt; do you suggest that as an new topic?<br />
[17:28:41] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; semi new topic<br />
[17:29:02] * h01ger spoke from an agenda POV :-D<br />
[17:29:29] * h01ger adds it to the agenda and moves on<br />
[17:29:32] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.3 progress since last meeting - newsletter<br />
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[17:29:37] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris! :)<br />
[17:29:37] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; It's the same in the sense that I'd like contact@olpc-europe  ....<br />
[17:29:45] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I type too slow ;-)<br />
[17:29:50] * h01ger too fast<br />
[17:30:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay. i've put a few things into the newsletter the last days<br />
[17:30:15] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; still, i feel it's somewhat slim on content<br />
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[17:30:36] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Newsletter/Draft<br />
[17:30:36] * h01ger thinks "release early, release often" will work here as well :)<br />
[17:31:09] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay :) so we just drop it to grassroots@ and community@ then<br />
[17:31:32] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; yeah, it will be obsolete before publication otherwise<br />
[17:31:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, yes. and add a huge box "contributions needed" :)<br />
[17:32:01] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yeah :)<br />
[17:32:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; like with a deadline, announcing the next newsletter...<br />
[17:32:26] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but what about the next newsletter?<br />
[17:32:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; i think deadline and publish date are important and regular publishing<br />
[17:32:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; s/but/and<br />
[17:32:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; next month?<br />
[17:33:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes... but we need more contributions then<br />
[17:33:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; yes<br />
[17:33:36] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats why you need to put a huge box<br />
[17:33:53] &lt;h01ger&gt; and there will be content, fosdem, pilots, zagreb, ..<br />
[17:34:11] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay, perfect!<br />
[17:34:23] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; so we say between 10. and 20.3.?<br />
[17:34:34] * h01ger nods. thats after cebit also :)<br />
[17:34:50] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; sweet<br />
[17:35:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.4 progress since last meeting - developer program<br />
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[17:36:38] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats basically projectdb by now, right? what was the link? :)<br />
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[17:36:52] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://projectdb.olpc.at<br />
[17:37:15] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; that's what i meant with "european laptop program", but a better name would be something like "contributors program"<br />
[17:37:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; thanks :) so the status is: progress, but no further news yet. right?<br />
[17:37:36] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes, we are a bit idle... communication goes not that quick<br />
[17:38:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we are improving the page and hope to get the distribution system working soon... perhaps mid-march<br />
[17:38:09] &lt;h01ger&gt; cool<br />
[17:38:21] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but we have no definite news how and even if it will happen that way<br />
[17:38:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; i changed the name of the topic in the wiki page, so we can reuse it at the next meeting<br />
[17:38:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; just like the next point:<br />
[17:38:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 3.5 progress since last meeting - communication topics with laptop.org<br />
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[17:39:00] &lt;h01ger&gt; let me explain:<br />
[17:39:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; <h01ger> what is the actual topic you want to disuss? contact to the US or contact@olpc-europe?<br />
[17:39:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; <b457144n|home> using contact@olpc-europe as an effictive proxy for contact with the US<br />
[17:39:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; <b457144n|home> because people that are not in-crowd do not get their email answered from the US<br />
[17:39:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; <h01ger> yes, thats the idea of olpc europe. what to discuss about this? :-D or do you mean, announce this more?!?<br />
[17:39:26] &lt;h01ger&gt; <h01ger> (sorry for being so sharp/to the point)<br />
[17:39:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; <b457144n|home> I want to know what the current situation is. Like the 30 laptop for Russia question, can you or chris answer that or get an answer from the US?<br />
[17:39:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; <h01ger> ok<br />
[17:39:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; <h01ger> now i understand<br />
[17:39:35] &lt;h01ger&gt; <h01ger> "communication topics with laptop.org" sounds like a regular topic for our meeting to me :-)<br />
[17:40:23] * h01ger has no idea about the 30 laptops for russia. olpc.at currently has better connections to boston than i do..<br />
[17:41:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; just finished reading. i did not know about laptops for russia before now<br />
[17:42:08] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and the communication to boston is always hard -- also for austria. aaron has the best contact.<br />
[17:42:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; the best/only way to get connected to boston is to go there i guess :)<br />
[17:43:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; irc usually works quite well too, if you get hold of the (right) people.<br />
[17:43:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we are in contact sj and walter for the contrib-prog<br />
[17:43:30] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes, that's defenitely the best way<br />
[17:43:32] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; irc<br />
[17:44:06] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; crazy-chris: I was refering to the Making Miles for Millenium project. He (Harrie) also submitted the proposal to projectdb.<br />
[17:44:20] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yes, but we always said, the projectdb is not yet functional<br />
[17:44:25] * h01ger would like _sj_ to regulary read the summary of this meeting, so that we can use this meeting as contact point to. but besides pointing this out, i cant do anything about it ;)<br />
[17:44:51] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; Aaron suggested to him to mail developer@laptop.org, but he does not get an answer from that<br />
[17:45:08] &lt;h01ger&gt; but this would make "proxies" (as in people) superfluoius.<br />
[17:46:07] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: what do you refer to  with "this"<br />
[17:46:08] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; ?<br />
[17:46:19] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I don't like proxies<br />
[17:46:25] &lt;h01ger&gt; _sj_ reading summaries :)<br />
[17:46:34] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n, yes, they become bottlenecks<br />
[17:46:51] &lt;h01ger&gt; this=_sj_ reading summaries<br />
[17:46:58] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; exactly.<br />
[17:47:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; move on?<br />
[17:47:14] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; wait<br />
[17:47:17] &lt;h01ger&gt; sure<br />
[17:47:36] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe we need someone on the mit side as a contact point<br />
[17:47:47] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i mean sj does it at the moment. but he is super-busy<br />
[17:47:58] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; OKl. _sj_ reading, and following up(!) on questions here, is good<br />
[17:48:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; s/maybe/definitly/ :) otherwise the local projects will search their contacts..<br />
[17:48:17] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; but maybe it's a bit slow (once every 2 week) and does not scale well<br />
[17:48:34] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I mean SJ is only 1 person and he is very busy<br />
[17:48:50] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay. we can get in touch with sj and maybe others, on how they think about this -- on how to connect with us<br />
[17:49:04] * h01ger is actually quite positive that this will happen: "boston" reading here regulary :) it's our fourth meeting only...<br />
[17:49:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; right<br />
[17:49:47] &lt;h01ger&gt; s/this/something like this/<br />
[17:50:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; next topic?<br />
[17:50:13] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; agenda += "legal structure of o-e"<br />
[17:50:17] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; so proxying or not?<br />
[17:50:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n, yes. but this meeting should be the proxy. with a regular agenda item..<br />
[17:50:56] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I mean do we still aim to pre-digest questions for Boston so the can answer more efficiently?<br />
[17:51:02] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, uh. time is running :)<br />
[17:51:08] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay<br />
[17:51:09] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: ok<br />
[17:51:13] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; b457144n: sure<br />
[17:51:19] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we can start with contact@ for the moment<br />
[17:51:32] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and see what we can do<br />
[17:51:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 4. fosdem event<br />
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[17:51:58] &lt;h01ger&gt; http://www.fosdem.org/2008/schedule/events/olpc_europe<br />
[17:52:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; Day  Saturday<br />
[17:52:06] &lt;h01ger&gt;   Room  H.3227<br />
[17:52:06] &lt;h01ger&gt;   Start time  15:00<br />
[17:52:06] &lt;h01ger&gt;   End time  17:00<br />
[17:52:27] &lt;h01ger&gt; my slides are at http://layer-acht.org/slides/20080223_olpc_europe_start.odp - comments very welcome!<br />
[17:52:52] * crazy-chris likes the slides!<br />
[17:52:58] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I'l be there<br />
[17:53:04] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, thanks<br />
[17:53:07] * b457144n|home is reading the slides<br />
[17:53:10] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n, cool.<br />
[17:53:21] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i'm so sorry i can't be there... :(<br />
[17:53:29] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n someone of your group will be able to say a few words about olpc.nl?<br />
[17:53:32] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but hey... there will be another chance to hook up<br />
[17:53:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; crazy-chris, me too!<br />
[17:54:00] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; h01ger: thanks :)<br />
[17:54:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; and i'd say, "next topic" -  i'm very happy to discuss the slides after the meeting too. i'll be here alnight :)<br />
[17:54:33] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 5. Pilot projects<br />
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[17:54:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; is there any news on this?<br />
[17:54:55] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; not from my side<br />
[17:55:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; its basically also covered in 3.1...<br />
[17:55:15] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 5. t-shirt<br />
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[17:55:40] &lt;h01ger&gt; also a nice idea, which we should do at some time in future...<br />
[17:55:59] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; :) yeah!<br />
[17:56:01] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; h01ger: yeah we will be able to say a few things about olpc-nl. btw Sabine will be there too<br />
[17:56:07] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 6 legal structure of olpc europe<br />
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[17:56:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n, great<br />
[17:56:38] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i just wanted to say, that it might be an aim, to have a legal structure that can accept funds<br />
[17:56:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; as sj also suggested<br />
[17:57:07] * h01ger notes 5min is also too little time for legal structure... but after reading the vision again today, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Vision, i noticed that we havent dug depper into that<br />
[17:57:16] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; crazy-chris: interesting. with olpc-nl we're at the same point<br />
[17:57:23] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; heh, yeah :)<br />
[17:57:30] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; I mean working on setting up a foundation<br />
[17:57:37] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; Probably more than one actually<br />
[17:57:39] * h01ger plans to have a discussion round about this as part of the fosdem meeting. input via mail to the grassroot list very welcome! ;)<br />
[17:57:53] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; good idea<br />
[17:58:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; b457144n, we also have a similar disucssion in olpc.de...<br />
[17:58:09] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we might consult a lawyer for something like an 'european ngo' or verein or something<br />
[17:58:48] &lt;h01ger&gt; lawyer costs money..<br />
[17:59:26] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay, but just to kick-off the topic. we can start thinking on how we get that started<br />
[17:59:30] &lt;aferti&gt; h01ger: I cannot promise, but I'll definitely try to look more on that and learn more about it.<br />
[17:59:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #action we will discuss "legal structure" at fosdem and at the next irc meetings.  a legal structure that can accept funds could be very nice, as one which could employ people<br />
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[17:59:59] &lt;aferti&gt; h01lger: as a lawyer.<br />
[18:00:14] &lt;h01ger&gt; aferti, great! ah. i was about to ask which topic :)<br />
[18:00:25] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; aferti: that would be outstanding<br />
[18:00:28] &lt;h01ger&gt; nice nice<br />
[18:00:52] &lt;aferti&gt; h01ger: I apologize. :-) I meant to define...<br />
[18:01:06] &lt;h01ger&gt; #topic 7 next meeting, when<br />
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[18:01:23] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; 2 weeks from now, same time?<br />
[18:01:24] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; in two weeks?<br />
[18:01:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; aferti, no need to apologise! :) probably any research on that topic will help us :)<br />
[18:01:39] &lt;h01ger&gt; thats march, 6th<br />
[18:01:42] &lt;h01ger&gt; fine with me<br />
[18:01:54] &lt;h01ger&gt; same time?<br />
[18:02:00] * crazy-chris nods<br />
[18:02:03] &lt;b457144n|home&gt; yup<br />
[18:02:30] &lt;aferti&gt; just let me know. Would you prefer separately for each European country or something based on i.e. the Netherlands or Austria or Belgium?<br />
[18:02:45] &lt;h01ger&gt; #agreed next meeting: march, 6th, 2008, 17 UTC, #olpc-europe on irc.freenode.net<br />
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[18:03:31] &lt;h01ger&gt; aferti, what ever is more useful :) like, what advantages and disadvantages are there... as said here, .nl and .de are both discussion starting foundations atm...<br />
[18:03:48] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and austria is a 'verein'<br />
[18:04:12] &lt;h01ger&gt; germany might also become one, we dont know yet<br />
[18:05:01] &lt;aferti&gt; thank you both h01ger and crazy-chris. I 'll keep it in mind.<br />
[18:05:06] &lt;{Nico}&gt; aferti: you might to take a look at mozilla europe http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/about/<br />
[18:05:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; "Mozilla Europe is a non-profit organisation based on the Association Loi 1901 as enabled by the French Law"<br />
[18:05:55] &lt;h01ger&gt; ok, thank you all for attending the meeting and making it fun again!<br />
[18:05:56] &lt;{Nico}&gt; crazy-chris: yep<br />
[18:06:11] &lt;h01ger&gt; #link http://www.mozilla-europe.org/en/about/<br />
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[18:06:16] &lt;aferti&gt; I just checked that. I'll have a closer look.<br />
[18:06:44] &lt;h01ger&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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