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[18:03:28] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Meetings<br />
[18:03:38] &lt;ryd&gt; crazy-chris: I thing, this will be a short meeting<br />
[18:03:39] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 1. Welcome<br />
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[18:03:47] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; ryd: maybe :)<br />
[18:04:00] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; hi everyone!<br />
[18:04:06] &lt;The&gt; hi CC<br />
[18:04:39] &lt;mvn071&gt; hi<br />
[18:05:27] &lt;ryd&gt; I thing, we will wait 5 minutes to give the rest a chance to join<br />
[18:05:37] * crazy-chris nods<br />
[18:06:01] &lt;ryd&gt; s/thing/think/<br />
[18:06:16] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; hi!<br />
[18:06:26] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; hey!<br />
[18:06:27] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; Phil from OLPC France @ tmplab.org<br />
[18:06:30] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; hi crazy-chris !<br />
[18:07:56] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; since we don't really have any points on the agenda, we can start throwing in topic...<br />
[18:07:57] &lt;ryd&gt; phil_praxis: is florian there?<br />
[18:10:04] &lt;mvn071&gt; I just added "spare part exchange" on the wiki<br />
[18:10:32] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; great<br />
[18:11:14] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; Not yet<br />
[18:11:16] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; he is coming<br />
[18:11:44] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; ryd: he should be there shortly, depending on public transportation i guess<br />
[18:11:58] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; it's 19:10. let's start?<br />
[18:12:14] &lt;The&gt; yip<br />
[18:12:33] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 2. who volunteers for writing a short summary?<br />
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[18:12:55] &lt;The&gt; ! will<br />
[18:13:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; thanks The<br />
[18:13:12] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action 'The' writes a summary<br />
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[18:13:30] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; logs can be found here: http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.log.20080313_1803.html<br />
[18:13:36] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; meetbot summary: http://meetbot.debian.net/meetbot/olpc-europe.20080313_1803.html<br />
[18:13:46] &lt;The&gt; ok<br />
[18:13:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 3. topic ideas<br />
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[18:14:00] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we have: newsletter, spare-part-exchange<br />
[18:14:23] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; what do you want to talk about / discuss?<br />
[18:15:13] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we can find topic while talking about the others as well...<br />
[18:15:13] &lt;The&gt; Standings per country<br />
[18:15:17] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; First online meeting for me, I'm mostly listening. Ready to give an account of recent contacts / projects<br />
[18:15:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; phil_praxis: that would be great<br />
[18:15:59] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i thought about mentioning opencv<br />
[18:16:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; well, then let's start and collect more ideas while talking<br />
[18:16:20] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; ok<br />
[18:16:23] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 4. topics<br />
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[18:16:29] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 4.1. newsletter<br />
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[18:16:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i have too little time at the moment to work at another issue<br />
[18:16:59] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but i'd be willing to help<br />
[18:17:12] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; the next one won't be out the next 2 weeks i guess<br />
[18:17:39] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i'd suggest to drop a mail to the grassroots mailing list about this<br />
[18:18:17] * crazy-chris thinks, we should send a reminder before the next meeting :)<br />
[18:18:26] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; definitely.<br />
[18:18:33] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #idea send reminder for next olpc meeting to the grassroots list<br />
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[18:18:41] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 4.2 spare parts exchange<br />
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[18:19:17] &lt;mvn071&gt; oke, I started some repairing /recylcing center<br />
[18:19:54] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; did you get your hands on xo's yet?<br />
[18:20:03] &lt;mvn071&gt; for the moment I can use one screen (broken) one mobo (to to enigenren<br />
[18:20:12] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; Are we talking specifically about repairing/recycling center for XO only? Or are there some "hybrid" repair/recycling with XO / PC / EEE / Classmates / ... ?<br />
[18:20:40] &lt;mvn071&gt; I like all hardware but lets focus on XO<br />
[18:20:55] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; ok.<br />
[18:21:14] &lt;mvn071&gt; I have one XO that might be repaired if had a screen<br />
[18:21:47] &lt;mvn071&gt; I have request for wifi chip (mobo) to reverse engeneer it<br />
[18:21:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay. i know of one xo in denmark which has no battery pack, one broken (?) laptop in northern germany, and one broken screen in austria<br />
[18:22:07] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and another broken on in austria -- some hardware issue...<br />
[18:22:27] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe you could get the one from germany and try to repair it<br />
[18:22:27] &lt;mvn071&gt; For this meeting, i think we could make a list on the wiki.<br />
[18:22:47] &lt;mvn071&gt; of spare parts and to be repaired XO's<br />
[18:22:51] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; very good idea<br />
[18:23:05] &lt;mvn071&gt; focus on Europe and later per Country<br />
[18:23:05] &lt;ryd&gt; sounds fine<br />
[18:23:26] &lt;The&gt; This is only the beginning, there will be more to come ....<br />
[18:23:29] &lt;mvn071&gt; Where shall I put it<br />
[18:23:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action crazy-chris tries to make a contact between the broken xo in germany and mvn071<br />
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[18:23:51] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe somewhere below [[OLPC Europe]]<br />
[18:23:58] &lt;mvn071&gt; :) thanks<br />
[18:24:20] &lt;sj_&gt; #idea autotranslate the next announcement into swedish chef, to get more chefs<br />
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[18:25:54] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; sj_:  the laptop i was talking about in germany is the one from the lx700 project from the ccc<br />
[18:26:03] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; it's broken :(<br />
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[18:26:18] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors#lx700video<br />
[18:26:56] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action mvn071 creates a wiki-page for spare parts and broken laptops<br />
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[18:27:22] &lt;mvn071&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Repairing<br />
[18:27:25] &lt;mvn071&gt; done :)<br />
[18:27:33] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; perfect!<br />
[18:28:32] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; #link http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Repairing<br />
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[18:28:54] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; ah ok.... get to understand meetbot here ;-)<br />
[18:29:01] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; (oops)<br />
[18:29:08] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; no problem :)<br />
[18:29:20] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 4.3 Standings per country<br />
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[18:29:28] &lt;sj_&gt; #action send a "broken laptop" email to help@laptop.org<br />
[18:29:37] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; (FYI ryd: Florian is still in train and won't be able to attend)<br />
[18:29:54] &lt;The&gt; Is there a way to get a sheet per country to comkpare there standings<br />
[18:30:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; standings in what means?<br />
[18:30:10] &lt;ryd&gt; phil_praxis: ok, thanks - I have to leave too<br />
[18:30:38] &lt;The&gt; what are they doining<br />
[18:30:44] &lt;The&gt; what have they done<br />
[18:30:51] &lt;The&gt; where are they headed<br />
[18:31:04] &lt;sj_&gt; we were just taling about this in the learnig workshop today<br />
[18:31:11] &lt;The&gt; in this way we could easely connect to those country that are ahead<br />
[18:31:13] &lt;sj_&gt; for countries organizing trial and real deployments<br />
[18:31:42] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; ok, something like a per-country internal / progress page ?<br />
[18:32:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; that would certainly be a interesting page on the wiki<br />
[18:32:04] &lt;sj_&gt; crazy-chris, do you have the projectdb set up on d.l.o yet?  do you still need some other server?<br />
[18:32:06] &lt;The&gt; yes but in real steps and not in what they supposed to do next year or so<br />
[18:32:18] &lt;sj_&gt; phil : that's a good start<br />
[18:32:41] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; re projectdb: no status since last mail from aaron with cc to you<br />
[18:32:42] &lt;sj_&gt; phil : and an interface easier than the wiki itself -- a pretty form that happesn to post to a wiki page...<br />
[18:32:53] &lt;sj_&gt; crazy-chris, do you have an account on d.l.o ?<br />
[18:33:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yeah, for the git thing<br />
[18:33:06] &lt;sj_&gt; shell access?<br />
[18:33:12] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; not yet<br />
[18:33:19] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i'd love to proceed on the projectdb<br />
[18:33:26] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; there's already a lot of time in it :)<br />
[18:33:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; so shell access, php+1 mysql db<br />
[18:33:52] &lt;sj_&gt; yes<br />
[18:34:28] &lt;mvn071&gt; is there is link to it ?<br />
[18:34:34] &lt;sj_&gt; the country-info could probably be managed with semantic mediawiki<br />
[18:34:50] &lt;sj_&gt; without an official db<br />
[18:34:57] &lt;mvn071&gt; yes, better<br />
[18:35:03] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yeah. but a backend makes the tracking easier<br />
[18:35:15] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; because it needs to be easy for users<br />
[18:35:38] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and a wiki is exploding with some hundret laptops spawning a few thousand projects<br />
[18:35:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe it's possible -- but with a very good structure only<br />
[18:36:08] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; yes... actually for these kind of thing, internally at /tmp/lab we use Trac which is good and can differentiate between multiple project in the same Trac. my 2 cents<br />
[18:36:26] &lt;sj_&gt; chris : if we have lots of project info on the wiki, that is a good solution to other problems<br />
[18:36:31] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; Wiki is fine for us for progress report also.<br />
[18:36:33] &lt;sj_&gt; people who care about math want to be able to spend hours organizing math projects<br />
[18:36:48] &lt;sj_&gt; and people who are new volunteers want a list of well organized / categorized / commented projects to find one to add to<br />
[18:36:58] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; yeah<br />
[18:37:13] &lt;mvn071&gt; and wiki is very nice decentralized<br />
[18:37:21] &lt;sj_&gt; I look forward to the day when we can give every new volunteer something to do in one hour :)  "clean up [topic you care about]"<br />
[18:37:37] &lt;sj_&gt; we finally got there with health and many new people got involved<br />
[18:37:56] &lt;sj_&gt; if people send me a 1 paragraph summary of what they are doing in their (city, country)<br />
[18:38:10] &lt;sj_&gt; with # of XOs, names of schools, and any open plans for future projects<br />
[18:38:20] &lt;sj_&gt; I will add it to ed's google map tonight when he puts it up<br />
[18:38:37] &lt;The&gt; back to the topic ?<br />
[18:38:39] &lt;mvn071&gt; how do you want it?<br />
[18:39:47] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; sj_: let's talk about the future of projectdb with mail, and maybe have some plan until next meeting<br />
[18:40:01] &lt;mvn071&gt; sj_: the user space in wiki could do that either<br />
[18:40:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and back to the topic of the list of groups and what they have done and are doing<br />
[18:40:54] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i think this would be very interesting for the european groups<br />
[18:41:22] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; The: you could start a page on the wiki, and we try to build a list<br />
[18:42:06] &lt;The&gt; OK, link ?<br />
[18:42:44] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Countries/Details<br />
[18:42:52] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; or something like that<br />
[18:42:57] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; pick any you want<br />
[18:43:02] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; Progress would be better maybe<br />
[18:43:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; we can move it anytime<br />
[18:43:07] * crazy-chris nods<br />
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[18:43:24] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Europe/Countries/Progress<br />
[18:43:57] &lt;The&gt; beautiful<br />
[18:44:19] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic 5. any other business<br />
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[18:44:54] &lt;mvn071&gt; apachecon ?<br />
[18:45:20] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; apachecon<br />
[18:45:40] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i've talked once to the organizers, and they said it should be possible. i've heard nothing of them since<br />
[18:46:15] &lt;mvn071&gt; can I help? (life 30 min from Amsterdam)<br />
[18:46:35] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; perfect. i'm very busy anyway :/<br />
[18:47:01] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i'll contact you via mail and we make the contact with them together / or you could do it<br />
[18:47:20] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe also worth a mail to the grassroots list<br />
[18:47:33] &lt;mvn071&gt; ack<br />
[18:48:03] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action chris writes a mail to the grassroots list about the apachecon | mvn helps organzing :)<br />
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[18:48:17] &lt;mvn071&gt; I could poll Dirk Willem van Gulik also, i that migth help<br />
[18:48:23] &lt;mvn071&gt; if<br />
[18:48:59] &lt;mvn071&gt; use to be president of apache foundation.<br />
[18:49:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; sounds interesting!<br />
[18:49:27] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i have only enough time to support any efforts for organizing<br />
[18:49:33] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; but not for actively organizing myself<br />
[18:49:43] &lt;mvn071&gt; oke.<br />
[18:50:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay :)<br />
[18:50:29] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; offtopic: i just got in contact with opencv<br />
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[18:50:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCV<br />
[18:50:42] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; it's a free computer vision library developed by intel<br />
[18:50:53] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; object / face recognition<br />
[18:51:05] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and a of more cool things<br />
[18:51:16] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; it's designed for microcontrollers, so should work on the xo as well :)<br />
[18:51:26] &lt;The&gt; nice<br />
[18:52:09] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; i study robotics in vienna, and have a course which deals with image recognition<br />
[18:52:29] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe there is someone interested in a few weeks / months, and we try to make something cool<br />
[18:53:15] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; oki :)<br />
[18:53:16] &lt;mvn071&gt; sound something for opencommunitycamp.org :)<br />
[18:53:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; looks interesting<br />
[18:53:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #link opencommunitycamp.org<br />
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[18:54:06] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://www.opencommunitycamp.org<br />
[18:54:25] &lt;mvn071&gt; The triing to get drupal guys aswell there<br />
[18:54:30] &lt;mvn071&gt; The is<br />
[18:54:57] &lt;The&gt; They've already said yes<br />
[18:55:16] &lt;The&gt; now talking with c,mm,n ;-)<br />
[18:55:26] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; Can you explain / detail what you want with drupal people?<br />
[18:55:41] &lt;The&gt; workshop on how to use<br />
[18:55:53] &lt;The&gt; handson<br />
[18:55:56] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; ok.<br />
[18:56:27] &lt;mvn071&gt; and also, doing maybe later course mangement in the XS<br />
[18:57:31] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; yes, i have one education organization very interested in that in France<br />
[18:57:55] &lt;The&gt; bring them on :-)<br />
[18:58:04] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; They would like to use a Wiki in order to store courses that can be transformed in exercises by each teacher<br />
[18:58:11] &lt;mvn071&gt; there is a very active group in Belgium also.<br />
[18:58:31] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; yes, we're going to do a One Day Blast (cf. www.onedayblast.org ) on getting some existing courses in some wiki<br />
[18:58:43] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; on XS possibly, didn't go yet in there :)<br />
[18:59:13] &lt;The&gt; in august they can work on this at the OCC 2008 for the whole week<br />
[18:59:34] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; ok, will tell them<br />
[19:00:08] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; Do we have some contact with the Moinmoin people mentionned in the projects?<br />
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[19:00:28] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Contributors#MoinMoin_wiki<br />
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[19:01:10] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; http://www.onedayblast.org<br />
[19:01:12] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; (for meetbot)<br />
[19:02:22] &lt;The&gt; done ?<br />
[19:02:32] &lt;mvn071&gt; does any know if p3p filterin will be used in the future?<br />
[19:02:39] &lt;mvn071&gt; on the XS<br />
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[19:02:53] &lt;mvn071&gt; http://www.w3.org/P3P/<br />
[19:03:25] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; okay. so time gets over... :)<br />
[19:03:36] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #topic next meeting<br />
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[19:03:53] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; 2 weekly rythm seems fine to me. in 2 weeks again, 19:00 cet?<br />
[19:04:24] &lt;mvn071&gt; yes, better than 18:00<br />
[19:04:49] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; for me too :)<br />
[19:05:25] &lt;The&gt; ditto<br />
[19:05:26] &lt;phil_praxis&gt; how do we automate the reminder feature or make sure the meeting reminder is sent one day before?<br />
[19:05:46] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; phil_praxis: that's a good idea!<br />
[19:05:56] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; script<br />
[19:06:09] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; with a form to enter your mail<br />
[19:06:24] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; and a newsletter a few days in advance<br />
[19:06:31] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; maybe<br />
[19:07:02] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #idea automate reminder for irc meetings<br />
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[19:07:23] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #action next irc meeting in 2 weeks, 27. March 08, 19:00 cet<br />
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[19:07:45] &lt;crazy-chris&gt; #endmeeting<br />
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