13:29:50 <nickm> #startmeeting
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13:30:00 <isabela> can i have a lost in discussion to talk about mothly stuff
13:30:03 <isabela> ops
13:30:05 <isabela> slot
13:30:08 <isabela> not lost :)
13:30:31 <nickm> np
13:30:50 <nickm> dgoulet, asn_, Yawning, athena, karsten, others: are you around? :)
13:30:55 <nickm> hi teor, hi isabela
13:31:04 <karsten> yes
13:31:05 <teor> hi nickm
13:31:30 <teor> hi isabela, karsten
13:31:37 <isabela> hi!
13:31:38 <karsten> hi :)
13:32:37 <athena> hi meeting
13:32:40 <nickm> hi athena !
13:32:43 <teor> hi athena
13:32:53 <isabela> hi athena
13:33:46 <nickm> so, let's start with our usual checkins.  I think that dgoulet and asn are still at the HS meeting,  and Yawning is a bit distracted by japanese politics, so I don't know if we'll see them.
13:33:54 <nickm> let's wish them well and say what we've been up to
13:33:58 <nickm> it's been a while!
13:34:06 <nickm> I'll start?
13:34:30 <nickm> I went to PETS, then took a vacation. While at PETS I livetweeted stuff.
13:34:45 <nickm> and networked with lots of people, and chatted with cryptofolks.
13:34:50 <nickm> And didn't program much!
13:35:15 <nickm> Since getting back I've been trying to get stuff solved enough to get 0.2.6.10 released (done) and 0.2.7.2-alpha released (needs a few more patches reviewed)
13:35:37 <nickm> at that point I'm going to take stock of highest-priority deliverables to make sure I actually get some done, and look for a way to get more people doing deliverables stuff :/
13:35:59 <nickm> My highest-priority items needing review are #16580 , #16581 , #15682
13:36:02 <nickm> IIRC
13:36:06 <nickm> who's next?
13:36:50 <athena> i've been watching nick tweet about PETS and feeling envious - and chewing on #4581 still
13:37:44 <nickm> how's that going?  Is there a simple version that would be easier?
13:38:36 <athena> it's coming along okay i think
13:39:00 <nickm> ok. any open issues, or just a matter of focused haxxing?
13:40:21 <athena> the latter; nothing really blocking it right now
13:40:49 <nickm> awesome
13:40:59 <nickm> any other updates? anybody else with an update?
13:41:30 <teor> I got #14175 merged, which modifies chutney verify to report bandwidth
13:41:55 <teor> and make lots of connections
13:42:07 <teor> and adds some HS templates
13:42:38 <teor> and adds arguments to tor's src/test/test-network.sh
13:43:07 <teor> This makes a number of HS bugs easier to test for
13:44:25 <teor> And I did a few reviews as part of the patch workshop.
13:44:50 <teor> Next up, fallback directories in #15775
13:44:55 <teor> I'm done
13:46:57 <nickm> ok. anybody else around?  Yawning, dgoulet, asn_, etc?
13:47:03 <Yawning> hi
13:47:06 <Yawning> just got home
13:47:07 <Yawning> tired
13:47:42 <nickm> got enough energy to write a quick update for the last week?
13:47:54 <Yawning> did ed25519
13:48:01 <Yawning> then everything shat itself simultaniously
13:48:06 * karsten didn't do little-t-tor development lately and has no updates. :( (just in case you were hoping for an update)
13:48:17 <nickm> karsten: that _is_ an update :)    (and thanks!)
13:50:16 <nickm> ok. so, unless  anyone else has a topic, I guess it's discussion time
13:50:51 <nickm> One thing is: I'm expecting the folks who've been talking about HS stuff to return with a huge pile of ideas.  And I'm hoping asn_ comes up with a draft guard algorithms...
13:51:30 <nickm> we're going to have to think about how we can retriage soon; we're getting close to our early-september planned freeze date, and we should probably look at deliverables due between now and December to make sure we're not going to miss anything
13:51:43 <nickm> that's mainly in the things-to-be-aware-of category
13:52:32 <isabela> nickm: how soon is soon? a coulpe weeks?
13:52:37 <nickm> oh sure
13:52:53 <isabela> i can help with that
13:53:17 <nickm> Also, I'd like more people thinking about AEZ as a possibility for our relay crypto if djb's HHFHFH design isn't finished and published in time for us to use, or is too hard to implement, or something like that.
13:53:32 <nickm> isabela: cool, thank you!
13:54:24 <nickm> (My attempts to get djb to pronounce HHFHFH "Hehfehlumfh" or "Huhfehlpufh" have so far failed)
13:55:21 <isabela> ok
13:55:40 <isabela> is it ok to chat now about the monthly stuff?
13:56:13 <nickm> sure!
13:56:22 <nickm> or any other topics people would like ot bring up
13:57:42 <isabela> okidoki
13:57:46 <nickm> go for it
13:58:14 <isabela> i want to try something if you all allow :) to help on a few things
13:58:37 <isabela> one, the deliverables that need to be done and nick needs help - make it easier for people to know about them and help him
13:59:32 <isabela> two, start a routine - something that we did before with the monthly update of roadmaps on the wiki..
14:00:07 <isabela> three, with that is easier for others from others teams and others parts of tor to follow what is going on
14:00:10 <isabela> so
14:00:41 <isabela> i saw that tbb team does something like this where they tag tickets to be done for the month and ppl pick up from that tag
14:00:57 <isabela> here is mikeperry email -> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tbb-dev/2015-July/000292.html
14:01:05 <isabela> i started a tag for core tor
14:01:22 <isabela> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=!closed&keywords=~TorCoreTeam201507
14:01:23 <teor> Excellent! I have always liked the clarity of the TBB system.
14:01:40 <isabela> with a few things that chatting with nick are deliverables we need help with
14:01:48 <isabela> i know we are in the middle of july :)
14:01:55 <isabela> but maybe we play with it and do it for real in august
14:02:08 <nickm> could work.  What can we do individually to play with it this month?
14:02:09 <isabela> that's it
14:02:35 <isabela> good question - maybe look what is there and see if you can pick one of those tasks
14:02:45 <isabela> if that is something that is not there but it should be done this month
14:02:48 <isabela> add the tag to it
14:02:56 <nickm> Like, find something that should get done this month, and tag them?
14:03:01 <nickm> with which tag?
14:03:11 <isabela> TorCoreTeam201507
14:03:27 <isabela> that is the same system tor browser uses
14:04:16 <nickm> Hm. I can do stuff that I want done myself, but I don't know what everybody else is doing/planning to do.  Should I just do mine, plus a couple of nice-to-have items?  Or should I wing it?
14:04:29 <teor> (If I don't get #15775 done in July, I will be very disappointed in myself. Tagged TorCoreTeam201507.)
14:04:45 <nickm> thanks!
14:05:14 <isabela> nickm: everyone shares the same tag but you assign to yourself what you want to do
14:08:00 <nickm> ok, so I tag mine, and other people tag theirs?
14:08:19 <isabela> sure but we should tag things that does not have an owner too
14:08:32 <isabela> that need to be done in case someone can pick it up
14:08:39 <teor> isabela: I put #13192 in TorCoreTeam201508 and assigned it to me, as I'm not sure I will get it done this month, but I want to revise that patch next/soon.
14:09:00 <isabela> that is the point, is more about knowing what everyone considers 'next'
14:09:02 <nickm> Okay, I'm going through and doing a first pass now
14:09:07 <isabela> so people knows where to pick up from
14:09:34 <isabela> teor: is fine, if you continue next month you just change tags
14:10:01 <isabela> also think of 0.2.7 release
14:10:08 <teor> I don't have anything else for this/next month, but I will look at Nick's list once mine are done
14:10:25 <isabela> if we at the end of the month will do a tag for august we should think of the release as well
14:10:37 <isabela> teor: cool
14:11:41 <teor> #2555 might also be something I am involved in
14:12:57 <nickm> ok, I just went through the list of things in the 0.2.7.x-final milestone.
14:13:06 <isabela> (we can also chat with mikeperry on what tbb take into consideration to tag those tickets to get different perspectives)
14:13:06 <nickm> there may be more items that are deliverables but lack tickets
14:13:21 <nickm> there may be items with tickets here that I should have tagged but didn't.
14:13:24 <nickm> Still, it's a good start
14:13:40 <isabela> execelent!
14:13:53 <nickm> this is already a long list. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=!closed&keywords=~TorCoreTeam201507
14:14:23 <nickm> anything more for this meeting?
14:14:25 <isabela> yes
14:14:34 <isabela> we use it for planing august
14:14:37 <isabela> thanks everyone!
14:14:52 <nickm> thanks isabela !
14:15:18 <nickm> isabela: somebody should go over all the sponsor deliverable lists that include Tor items, and make sure that every item has a ticket.
14:15:29 <nickm> and link to those tickets from the deliverable lists. :)
14:15:39 <isabela> yes
14:15:40 <nickm> #endmeeting