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13:30:05 <nickm> Hello all!  I see Yawning and asn and Sebastian ! and I saw dgoulet  a little while ago!
13:30:12 <dgoulet> hello!
13:30:22 <Yawning> hi
13:30:23 <nickm> time to try to get back into the rhythm of tor development!
13:30:33 <nickm> who's got a status report first?
13:30:44 <Yawning> suuure
13:30:57 <Yawning> went to the dev meeting, got back, still jetlagged (woke up at 4pm yay)
13:31:23 <Yawning> goals for the next week are uh, write pt docs, catch up on administrative paperwork, start writing code again
13:31:28 <Yawning> (and fixing my sleep schedule)
13:31:33 <asn> hello. just doing some shared randomness coding currently.
13:31:34 <Yawning> next >.>
13:31:49 * dgoulet can go
13:32:02 <nickm> Yawning: is there anything that others can do to help out with the pt docs? I know you're not thrilled to be doing them.  Is the answer to stick them on an etherpad maybe and have everybody poke them at once?
13:32:06 <nickm> dgoulet: go for it
13:32:27 <Sebastian> I have to go run to a bus, sorry I'm not really here for the start of the meeting.
13:32:31 <Yawning> there is one more doc to write that I need to do
13:32:32 <dgoulet> since I got back, I did some housekeeping on all R tickets and tor-hs tickets, now it's much more clean and in a workable state. I opened bunch of 224 tickets (see #12424 child tickets)
13:32:32 <Sebastian> have a good meeting
13:32:41 <Sebastian> I hope to catch up in a bit
13:32:46 <Yawning> so light at the end of the tunnel
13:33:07 <dgoulet> and I've worked on dirauth configuration management process also yesterday and would *love* feedback on my last comment of #16558
13:33:35 <dgoulet> finally, dev meeting was amazingly useful! did lots of work with asn on SR among other things, so going forward big time! :) done
13:34:26 <nickm> peace Sebastian
13:35:51 <nickm> dgoulet: I think I agree with your comment. I wonder if something related to prop#177 might help a little with that.
13:36:08 <nickm> but it doesn't seem like a must-do-in-028 in any case to me, unless I am missing something important
13:36:33 <dgoulet> nickm: we are having a *HARD* time now getting majority of dirauth rejecting malicious HSDirs we are finding
13:37:03 <dgoulet> nickm: thus the interest in getting less dirauth voting invalid... but.... yeah...
13:37:26 <dgoulet> fix human problem by technology, what can go wrong :D
13:38:16 <nickm> I think the idea of prop#177 was to get it more okay for a dirauth to help reject malicious nodes without forcing them to commit henceforth to rejecting *all* malicious nodes.
13:38:28 <nickm> IIUC
13:38:30 <nickm> it's been ages
13:38:35 <dgoulet> nickm: thanks for the pointer, I'll read that!
13:38:44 <dgoulet> and see if it can be useful in anyways with the current statre
13:38:57 <Yawning> (isn't that what Tor is? Just teach the spooks not to spy instead of doing all this development...)
13:39:16 <dgoulet> Yawning: ahahah! it's a big part , needed though if you want users :)
13:39:50 <nickm> anybody else? asn?
13:41:39 <nickm> ok I'll go for now
13:41:52 <nickm> I've got back from the dev meeting and accumulated huge amounts of sleep
13:41:59 <nickm> top priorities for this month are:
13:42:06 <nickm> * PETS reviews due in 2 days
13:42:17 <nickm> * Getting out another 0.2.7 rc if needed; fixing all 0.2.7 bugs.
13:42:28 <nickm> * Finishing every single sponsor U item (help would be nice)
13:42:39 <nickm> * Getting 0.2.8 triage finished
13:42:53 <nickm> And if I can really get those all done, I can think about other priorities but cmon seriously
13:43:00 <nickm> oh also
13:43:16 <nickm> * Reviewing every needs_review ticket in 0.2.8.
13:43:23 <nickm> (help would be nice there too)
13:43:27 <nickm> and that's about it for me
13:43:34 <nickm> anyone else here for the meeting?
13:43:39 <nickm> shall we move on to discussion?
13:43:51 <dgoulet> we can
13:43:58 <Yawning> is there stuff to talk about that wasn't covered at the dev meeting?
13:44:31 <nickm> probably a lot; we never really did the 028 triage together or did much together discussion of the roadmap
13:44:38 <nickm> anything else in mind?
13:44:39 <dgoulet> curious about the what's left to do for "Getting 0.2.8 triage finished", like go over all Tor tickets and make sure they have a milestone if none?
13:44:49 <Yawning> ah
13:45:22 <nickm> dgoulet: having everything get a milestone would be good.
13:45:38 <nickm> having all deliverables on the roadmap get a ticket would be good
13:46:07 <nickm> and finally, we need to prioritize.  There are more things in 0.2.8, and more in 028-triaged, than we can realistically do before freeze, if the past is a guide
13:48:55 <dgoulet> I see 7 tickets without a milestone for component Tor
13:49:02 <nickm> that's an improvement from last week
13:50:17 <dgoulet> ah one of them is "we block the google cloud" !! ahah... I was working on that yesterday of coming up with processes of removing entries in the conf
13:50:22 <dgoulet> #14044
13:51:18 <nickm> just forwarded everybody my notes from the roadmap meeting
13:51:29 <nickm> if anybody woudl like to take responsibility for getting that onto the wiki that would be great
13:51:37 <nickm> also great would be making sure there is a ticket for every item
13:51:50 <nickm> any volunteers? :)
13:52:16 <dgoulet> nickm: I can probably help you out a bit there but probably not the entirety :S ... (opening the .ods....)
13:53:08 <nickm> if it would help to throw it onto storm, please do so. :)
13:53:38 <dgoulet> nickm: I'll put them on the wiki for starter
13:53:55 <nickm> that would rock. eta on that?
13:54:04 <dgoulet> 5-10 min?
13:54:07 <nickm> yaaay
13:54:15 <dgoulet> formatting issue here :P
13:54:26 <nickm> other discussion topics? I'm hoping I can get volunteers to help with some of the end-of-month sponsor U stuff
13:54:33 <nickm> or I will be too busy to help anybody else with anything
13:56:02 <dgoulet> hrm I'm good on discussion
13:57:00 <nickm> could everybody take a look at the "october" part of that spreadsheet I just sent you?
13:57:14 <nickm> I'm hoping somebody will say "hey that looks fun/easy/whatever" for one or more of the items
13:57:21 <nickm> or alternatively, "nick how can we possibly do that"
13:57:48 <dgoulet> How can we possibly do that!? ;)
13:58:33 <nickm> I was hoping for a more specific "that" :)
13:58:36 <dgoulet> "Implement an improved guard design prototype", just this, seems that Berlin session on that didn't reach a clear decision :S
13:58:55 <nickm> are the notes for it in a good online format, or do they need fixup?
13:58:57 <dgoulet> DoS whitepaper... ouff...
13:59:14 <nickm> My thought for a prototype is basically "do something fast in python so we can simulate different problematic situations and confirm it works"
13:59:19 <dgoulet> nickm: oh my, maybe mikeperry has some or asn some pictures of the notes but quite unsure
13:59:46 <Yawning> (wait, after I'm done with pt docs, am I going to be writing DoS docs? >.>)
14:00:06 <dgoulet> Yawning: you told me SOOOO many times that you enjoy writing doc
14:00:10 <dgoulet> :P :P
14:00:42 <dgoulet> nickm: do you have a doc or git or <insert file fmt> of "Overview of structure of tor codebase" and "Quick-start guide for new developers"
14:02:04 <nickm> Yawning: you can if you want to. my plan was to make a whitepaper into an outline, write the paper, call it done
14:02:19 <nickm> dgoulet: see tor-guts for that overview (work in progress)
14:02:22 <Yawning> ah I see
14:02:45 <dgoulet> nickm: ack
14:02:46 <nickm> Yawning: if you want to help, I'd appreciate any degree of collaboration from anybody on any of this, even if it's just rubber-duck level :)
14:02:54 <Yawning> quack
14:03:01 <nickm> :)
14:04:29 <Yawning> back shortly, I'm at ~1k Cal of food for the day, which is insufficient >.>
14:06:10 <nickm> sounds good
14:06:21 <nickm> shall we close the meeting and go on with triage and planning?
14:06:25 <nickm> or is there more to do at the meeting?
14:06:31 * nickm waits 60 sec and sips tea
14:06:34 <dgoulet> good here
14:07:37 <nickm> #endmeeting