13:32:32 <isabela> #startmeeting 13:32:32 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Oct 28 13:32:32 2015 UTC. The chair is isabela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:32:32 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:32:47 <nickm> Yawning: he's in my basement, messin with my fibre 13:33:02 <nickm> hi all! If i turn to nickm_mobile part way through, net issues, not to worry 13:33:18 <asn> (hello) 13:33:30 <nickm> status: we have nearly everything done that I need to do for SposnorU: see the upper right quadrant of the table at the bottom of https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/SponsorU/Tor 13:33:35 <nickm> _nearly_, though. 13:35:25 <isabela> ok 13:35:33 <isis> hey hey 13:35:55 <isabela> nickm: do you need help from folks on what is left? 13:36:00 <isabela> oi isis 13:37:55 <isabela> ok maybe nickm is out 13:37:58 <isabela> who can go next? 13:38:03 <isis> i have been working on task 4.1 13:38:10 <Yawning> hi, I am doing pt stuff 13:38:11 <isis> the guard node improvements 13:38:26 <Yawning> I have been doing pt stuff, along with having a bit of me time 13:38:39 <Yawning> I should be done with pt stuff by the end of the week (at least the on fire stuff) 13:38:47 <Yawning> and will poke at other things that need doing 13:40:17 <isis> Yawning: there are some cryptography students here who have expressed interest in writing an obfsblobfish (mostly for fun, since i already explained to them that there aren't really "unsolved" problems left) 13:40:39 <Yawning> ok 13:41:01 <isabela> isis: are you cool with 4.1? need anything from anyone? 13:41:03 <isis> so if you have some specific task that isn't fun for you, let me know and i might be able to con them into doing also some non-fun work 13:41:29 <isis> isabela: i don't think i'll be able to do #17295 13:41:54 <isis> isabela: i am finishing up #17291 now 13:41:58 <nickm_mobile> Arg sorry there. 13:42:13 <Yawning> uh 13:42:14 <asn> isis: let me know if you need help with the guard algorithm. also sorry if i was not helpful with your prev question, i was relocating. 13:42:17 <nickm_mobile> My phone was on my defunct wifi:p 13:42:18 <isis> err, not #17291 13:42:19 <dgoulet> module isolation wow 13:42:22 <dgoulet> :) 13:42:26 <Yawning> what are we gonna replace our path selection with. 13:42:33 <isis> i meant #17261 13:42:41 <Yawning> oh ok 13:43:09 <isis> and then i am not sure if revising asn's pseudocode counts as #17262… or if we wanted a fully fleshed out and testable implementation 13:43:42 <nickm_mobile> I think a testable python impl should do it 13:43:49 <isis> ok 13:44:19 <isis> that is more doable 13:45:18 <asn> what do we hope to find from the testable python impl? 13:45:26 <isis> would… we want to actually call the python guard selection thing from tor to see how it behaves with the rest of the code, or is it fine if it just is a reference implementation for the algorithm? 13:45:29 <asn> or do we mean something that can be tested on real networks? 13:46:03 <Yawning> isis: the latter prolly 13:46:14 <nickm_mobile> I'm hoping we can code up a couple of scenarios to make sure it has the propteries we want. 13:46:58 <isis> okay 13:47:26 <nickm_mobile> it would be lovely to do more, but for this week we just need a good thing we can learn a bit from and extend as we learn more 13:47:32 <isis> asn: no worries, i may have more questions for you later, if that's okay :) 13:47:56 <nickm_mobile> Tor or stem integration would be way cool but can wait 13:49:04 <isis> this is some of the stuff so far, based on asn's work, but most is in my paper notebook still https://storm.torproject.org/shared/2eCVyWj1HnA61tvW5DA1bXiKER_Y8fTJ6DbtIkin4dY 13:50:32 <nickm_mobile> Can't look now but i will if you email me. (net) 13:51:30 <isis> should i explain the tl;dr of the changes i had in mind? or should we move to someone else's reportback? 13:51:46 <nickm_mobile> Let's save for right after? 13:52:00 <isis> okay 13:52:03 <nickm_mobile> I'm curious but we should get rbacks done 13:52:07 <isis> i'm done then 13:52:28 <nickm_mobile> Also did i get cut off before? We're there questions for me? 13:52:43 <isabela> i asked if you needed any help 13:53:33 <asn> hello 13:53:36 <nickm_mobile> I need mostly to know as soon as reasonable how much of the guard stuff i will be needed for 13:53:47 <asn> i've been doing #17349 lately. i think today it will be ready. 13:53:48 <nickm_mobile> Other than that I'm cool 13:54:06 <asn> i also wrote a [tor-dev] post summarizing the status of open hidden service proposals: at 13:54:11 <asn> https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2015-October/009762.html 13:54:19 <nickm_mobile> It would be great to get technical review on the 2 proposals i sent out yesterday 13:54:20 <asn> i also did some bug bounties stuff 13:54:48 <asn> done. 13:55:35 <isabela> nickm_mobile: you need folks to review before EOW right? 13:56:02 <nickm_mobile> Desire but do not absolutely need 13:56:34 <isabela> cool :) 13:56:35 <nickm_mobile> Also tech review on my dos wpaper would be cool. Volunteer and ill email it to you. 13:56:57 <asn> i'm quite hosed these days and don't hve much time to look at other proposals :( 13:57:02 <asn> will try to though. 13:57:17 <isabela> tx asn 13:57:22 <dgoulet> hi 13:57:25 <isabela> oi dgoulet 13:58:41 <dgoulet> I fully recovered from _two_ wrists tendinitis, so code has been stopped last week on my side and much computer activities, since yesterday mostly working on updating prop#250 and digesting asn's simplyfing ideas of the proposal 13:59:12 <dgoulet> I did some other visualization work for R that I will soon show to the community (thanks to karsten on his feedback) 14:00:31 * dgoulet done 14:01:16 <isabela> ok 14:01:27 <isabela> whoelse is around for an update? 14:02:36 <isabela> ok I can give mine :) 14:02:38 <nickm_mobile> I talked to Athena the other day. 14:03:02 <isabela> I am back and not travelling for a long time which is great and also mean I will get back to my todo list from dev meeting (roadmap, organize network team wiki page etc) 14:03:04 <nickm_mobile> She said she'll have a prop for her antidos branch rsn 14:03:56 <isabela> this wiki I am mostly writing quarterly reports and preparing documents tho 14:04:00 <isabela> nickm_mobile: cool :) 14:04:15 <isabela> ok do we have points for discussion? I would like us to start tagging things for november 14:04:52 <isabela> TorCoreTeam201511 14:05:46 <isabela> this is what is left for october https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=!closed&keywords=~TorCoreTeam201510 14:05:47 <nickm_mobile> I suggest we tag everything from the spreadsheet i linked to above 14:06:16 <nickm_mobile> Also let's note that we want you to get all of the needs review stuff reviewed 14:06:26 <nickm_mobile> And some of the needs revision stuff revised 14:06:33 <nickm_mobile> Wow this voice recognition actually works 14:06:41 <isabela> #fancy 14:08:16 <nickm_mobile> Could someone else please drive on this? I can't bash modify trac from my phone 14:08:23 <nickm_mobile> Batch 14:08:26 <isabela> i can do that 14:08:55 * asn looks at trac 14:09:12 <asn> phew im not in the october list. 14:09:35 <isabela> safe to move all or anything will be done this week and should be left there 14:10:08 <nickm_mobile> All sponsoru lands this week 14:10:11 <Yawning> I'm gonna like, bugger off and continue writing documentation 14:10:21 <Yawning> unless something needs my immediate attention 14:10:27 <nickm_mobile> Take care 14:10:47 <asn> Yawning: what docs are you writing? :) 14:10:58 <Yawning> I'm re-writing the pt spec 14:11:05 <Yawning> to actually be usable again 14:11:08 <asn> ouch. 14:11:21 <Yawning> by people that aren't us 14:11:21 <asn> that will be v3. 14:11:25 <asn> Yawning: strength to you 14:11:26 <Yawning> that understand how everything works 14:11:29 <asn> ack 14:11:34 <Yawning> not to h8 on the current one 14:11:36 <Yawning> which is fine for us 14:11:43 <Yawning> but people complain about how it's not fine for them 14:11:57 <isabela> I will send an email with suggestions of where to look for november (roadmap, 0.2.8 triagge, deliverables etc) so we can get it populated and everyone has tasks on it next week 14:12:01 <isabela> sounds good? 14:12:06 <nickm_mobile> lemme know if you want any skillz applied 14:12:47 <nickm_mobile> Isabela: sounds good. Do the other roadmapping docs [eg hidden services] exist? 14:13:22 <isabela> yes 14:13:47 <isabela> i took notes of it all - i sent them to internal but i need to verify what has been publish and publish what is missing 14:14:03 <isabela> #17262 is sponsor u right? 14:14:18 <isabela> i wont move the sponsor u stuff 14:14:35 <nickm_mobile> Yes that's u 14:15:08 <nickm_mobile> Resend me links and I'll try to make everything a ticket 14:15:24 <isabela> nickm_mobile: for the roadmaps? 14:15:27 <nickm_mobile> Once online is r 14:15:37 <nickm_mobile> Easy again 14:15:47 <nickm_mobile> Yes if you can 14:16:33 <isabela> sure, but it won't be today tho 14:16:39 <nickm_mobile> No prob 14:17:09 <nickm_mobile> Anything else for today's meeting? 14:18:10 <asn> nickm_mobile: i will have a few questions for you in #17349 soon! 14:18:13 <asn> my branch is 99% ready 14:18:23 <asn> but i'm missing some details on the load_ed_keys() part 14:18:31 <asn> so i will put some qs on the ticket, and poke you here :) 14:19:07 <nickm_mobile> If I'm not answer ing here try email? This interface sucks 14:19:17 <asn> ack thx 14:19:27 <isabela> ok i will stop the bot now if is ok 14:19:32 <nickm_mobile> Ok 14:19:34 <asn> nickm_mobile: a dirauth could currently rotate its ed25519 master key as much as it wants, right? 14:19:40 <isabela> #stopmeeting 14:19:41 <asn> without anyone noticing 14:19:45 <asn> since it's not hardcoded in the source code 14:19:48 <asn> right? 14:19:49 <asn> or not? 14:19:50 <Yawning> uh 14:19:57 <dgoulet> isabela: #endmeeting 14:19:58 <Yawning> I think we warn wrt pinning> 14:20:05 <isabela> #endmeeting