18:01:33 <GeKo> #startmeeting tor browser
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18:01:39 <GeKo> hi everybody!
18:01:51 <GeKo> welcome to another weekly tor browser meeting
18:01:58 <mcs> hi
18:02:03 <boklm> hi
18:02:22 <GeKo> let's get started with the status updates
18:02:34 <GeKo> i guess i can start today
18:02:56 <GeKo> this week i worked mostly on #19400 and the related #19417
18:03:33 <GeKo> i furthermore prepared a new release, 6.0.2 fixing the crash and other issues that came up in the 6.0 transition
18:04:11 <GeKo> i continued to work on updating the design document and looked a bit on our sponsorU tickets
18:04:47 <GeKo> this week i plan to continue working on the design doc update + #19274
18:05:27 <GeKo> and i hope to get the instructions sorted out for removing the codesigning bits on OS X to check whether the bundle matched our builds
18:05:34 <GeKo> that's it for me.
18:06:03 * mcs will go next
18:06:12 <mcs> Last week, Kathy and helped debug #19400 and #19410.
18:06:21 <mcs> We created a fix for #19411.
18:06:30 <mcs> We completed several code reviews for Tor Browser 6.0.2 and 6.5a2.
18:06:36 <mcs> This week we will focus on #19273.
18:06:43 <mcs> Also, we plan to mostly be away from keyboard June 29th - July 4th (starting next Wednesday).
18:06:49 <mcs> That’s all for now.
18:08:38 * arthured1lstein can go now
18:08:44 <arthured1lstein> Last week I worked on revising my patch for #16998
18:08:51 <arthured1lstein> I did a review and manual tests of #8725
18:08:57 <arthured1lstein> I investigated #19416.
18:09:05 <arthured1lstein> I wrote and submitted a new patch for bugzil.la/1121643
18:09:11 <arthured1lstein> And I did some more exploratory work on #13018.
18:09:21 <arthured1lstein> This week I want to work mainly on trying to upstream patches to Firefox and looking at #10281 some more.
18:09:31 <arthured1lstein> Also I might look at #19459, which is an interesting idea.
18:09:38 <arthured1lstein> that's it for me
18:09:57 <GeKo> mcs: i guess #16623 is somehow related to #19273
18:10:06 <GeKo> but i have not thought much about it.
18:10:21 <mcs> GeKo: Yes, thanks for bringing that ticket to our attention.
18:10:33 <GeKo> i actually rediscovered the tbb-torbutton-conversion things this weekend while looking for something else ;)
18:11:59 * boklm can go next
18:12:07 <boklm> This past week I fixed #19402, made a first version of #18497, helped build the new version and started publishing it today.
18:12:21 <boklm> I'm planning to finish publishing it tomorrow morning. Then work on #18923, #15994, #15138.
18:12:38 <boklm> That's it for me.
18:14:14 <olabini> b
18:14:20 <olabini> oops, sorry, don't mind me. =)
18:14:31 <GeKo> hej, ingen fara :)
18:15:08 <GeKo> alright, do we have anybody else here for status updates?
18:15:18 <GeKo> a huseby maybe or amoghbl1?
18:16:56 <GeKo> does not seem to be the case. let's move to the discussion part
18:17:45 <GeKo> the only item i have is that we probably only do a 6.0.2 to fix the bugs we found recently
18:18:14 <GeKo> i originally thought about taking the opportunity to put new stuff in an alpha and get that out as well
18:18:35 <GeKo> but i feel that can wait and we can use our time better and get things done
18:19:14 <GeKo> alpha users can cope with the bugs we fixed in the stable i think
18:19:43 <boklm> ok
18:20:09 <mcs> Your thinking makes sense to me. For #19400, alpha users can manually rm the asmjs files if they are affected.
18:20:31 <GeKo> apart from that: focusing on SponsorU items seems smart as there is still the sandboxing efforts coming, probably
18:21:11 <GeKo> and i bet this is coming along with a bunch of surprises :)
18:21:22 <GeKo> but so far i think we are still good
18:21:32 <mcs> “Interesting times ahead”
18:21:39 <GeKo> as always :)
18:22:07 <GeKo> did i mention the asmjscache bugs we found last week already? ;)
18:22:25 <GeKo> anything else we need to discuss?
18:22:47 <arthuredelstein> GeKo: You made an interesting point in your recent email.
18:22:53 <arthuredelstein> "I guess there is (still) a bunch of users out there that is disabling JavaScript by default and enabling it only when needed without bothering with the security slider."
18:23:12 <arthuredelstein> This sounds a little like what I do! :P
18:23:22 <GeKo> ha!
18:23:25 <arthuredelstein> I usually set security to high but then disable JS when needed.
18:23:55 <arthuredelstein> Or, I should say, enable JS when needed.
18:24:08 <GeKo> that is okay.
18:24:26 <arthuredelstein> I guess it is, but it made me wonder if we need to give clearer advice.
18:24:27 <GeKo> what i had i mind were users from the days we where we did not have the slider
18:24:57 <GeKo> and they are probably still doing the old "disable noscript and enable it only on certain sites" by default
18:25:25 <GeKo> without realizing that the highest level is doing a bunch of other stuff, too
18:25:32 <arthuredelstein> Ah, makes sense.
18:25:42 <GeKo> i am not so much worried about folks doing it like you
18:25:59 <arthuredelstein> I wonder if we should display some kind of alert to users who do that.
18:26:05 <arthuredelstein> (The first time only)
18:26:28 <arthuredelstein> Because the security slider is a little hidden compared to the NoScript button.
18:26:53 <GeKo> well, that's why we show the notification box the first time tor browser gets started
18:27:22 <GeKo> i somehow feel people thinking they need to mess with the settings further should know what they are doing
18:27:32 <arthuredelstein> Yes
18:27:53 <arthuredelstein> they *should* ;)
18:28:11 <arthuredelstein> But I agree the existing notification is a pretty good hint
18:29:19 <GeKo> i am happy if we could design a better hint if possible
18:29:40 <GeKo> that area is one where i hope the ux people can help in the future
18:30:20 <arthuredelstein> Yes, I suppose it's best to first study what users are doing in that respect.
18:30:26 <GeKo> yes
18:32:11 <GeKo> okay, thanks for the meeting everyone *baf*
18:32:18 <GeKo> #endmeeting