16:59:49 <nickm> #startmeeting weekly network team tor-dev meeting a go go
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17:00:18 <nickm> nickm: armadev: athena : isis : Yawning : teor : dgoulet: asn: (if you're around, this is of potential interest!)
17:00:21 <nickm> isabela: ^
17:00:26 <nickm> so, let's start with our happyfun status reports:
17:00:31 <nickm> 1) I was at pets.
17:00:59 <nickm> 2) I hope I can get #19468 done by the end of the month, and make significant progress on 15055, and on documentation.  There's a lot to do though!
17:01:10 <nickm> 3) I should also do a bunch of code-review and merge.
17:01:17 <nickm> 4) I should also try to get another 028 out.
17:01:23 <nickm> 5) please review code!
17:01:34 <isabela> o/
17:01:35 <nickm> and that's about it for me. questions/tasks for me?  anybody want to go next?
17:02:24 <nickm> (hi isabela)
17:02:28 <isabela> I can go, I was at hope last weekend. This week I plan on finishing sponsorS quarterly report a grant proposal I am working with Cass and Alison and prep for DC next week
17:02:29 <U039b> hi
17:02:42 <isabela> and the retrospective!
17:02:43 <nickm> busy!
17:02:44 <isabela> done
17:02:45 <isabela> :)
17:02:50 <isis> hi
17:02:53 <nickm> the retrospective is in 6 hours, right?
17:02:57 <nickm> hisis!
17:02:58 <isabela> yeah all the above has august 1 as deadline
17:03:07 <nickm> *hi isis
17:03:23 <isabela> nickm: let me convert !
17:03:26 <nickm> does everyone whose help you need know the timeline?
17:03:41 <isis> lol, the contraction of the phrase is fine :)
17:04:18 <isabela> nickm: for the report? or the grant?
17:04:27 <nickm> all of your aug1 stuff
17:04:29 <isabela> hahah
17:04:30 <isabela> yes
17:04:34 <isabela> ppl do
17:04:43 <isabela> i will need you to review what I write for core tor
17:04:49 <isabela> but that should not take much of your time
17:05:10 * nickm totally misundurstood that for about 3 seconds, and thought you were writing a patch :)
17:05:21 <isabela> hahaha
17:05:32 <isis> last week i was at PETS, had some meetings with people there, merged proposals prop#269 and prop#270, and started making a prototype of prop#269
17:05:58 <isis> this week i will be working on my OTF stuff because that's what i'm supposed to do
17:06:50 <athena> hi meeting!
17:07:04 <nickm> hi athena !
17:07:07 <isis> hey athena
17:07:17 <nickm> isis: any coordination needed with the OTF stuff?
17:07:33 <isis> coordination?
17:07:46 <isis> like patches getting merged in time?
17:07:46 <isabela> hi athena
17:07:53 <Yawning> hi
17:07:59 <isabela> o/
17:08:10 <nickm> isis: yeah, like that. or getting proposals reviewed, or preliminary work done, or etc etc
17:08:14 <nickm> hi Yawning !
17:08:15 <qwerty1> the top 5 countries for users are United States, Russia, Germany, France, United Kingdom. tor browser download countries are not available because the logs are scrubbed of ip addresses.
17:08:17 <Yawning> I kinda took last week off-ish to regain sanity.
17:08:20 <isis> nickm: not atm, but thanks!
17:08:23 <nickm> Yawning: woo sanity!
17:08:25 <Yawning> Sanity sort of restored to functional levels
17:08:48 <Yawning> I've been playing with trying to sandbox tor browser
17:08:56 <Yawning> see my post to tor-dev@
17:08:57 <isis> neat
17:08:59 <Yawning> works better than it should
17:09:13 <Yawning> considering it's firejail + LD_PRELOAD
17:09:24 <Yawning> so my tor browser only speaks af_unix
17:10:02 <Yawning> this week I will do whatever is most important, was thinking about doing core tor stuff and poking at the sandboxing crap on and off
17:10:27 <Yawning> if there are things that require more immediate attention like "all the thuggable transports beat me up and took my lunch money"
17:10:30 <Yawning> I shall work on that
17:10:59 <nickm> sounds good. do you have/need some core tor stuff to poke?
17:11:16 <Yawning> there's a mountain of core tor stuff that needs to be done
17:11:23 <Yawning> so I can find things
17:11:32 <isabela> Yawning: sponsor tickets from 029 that you took can be one thing
17:11:56 <nickm> yes,, +1 on sponsored 029 stuff that's assigned to you. 2ndary would be other sponsored 029 stuff
17:12:09 <nickm> once we're done with all the must-do sponsored stuff we'll have a little more time I hope :)
17:12:26 <Yawning> part of me still wants to write a tor implementation as my hello world in rust, but that's not sponsored and would probably burn off all my sanity again
17:12:33 <Yawning> :P
17:12:51 <nickm> Yawning: I want to start hacking an implementation of the voting algorithm in rust.  But only in my spare time. :)
17:13:01 <Yawning> rust still fills me with rage
17:13:27 <Yawning> so my spare time stuff prolly will continue to be C++/go for the time being
17:13:48 <asn> hello people :)
17:14:01 <asn> seems like my highlight is broken
17:14:36 <nickm> Yawning: do you think some time today you can let me know what tickets you'll be working on this week? It helps to have a little visibility in advance
17:14:39 <nickm> hi asn !
17:14:48 <Yawning> uh
17:14:50 <Yawning> maybe
17:15:17 <asn> last week i've been busy with HOPE and slide building. we did two talks, they went well. also did some prop224 stuff while travelling.
17:15:32 <Yawning> my first order of business was to look at my list, prolly that like crypto parallization ticket that's been stuck in needs_revision for way too long
17:15:35 <Yawning> when it's simple
17:15:42 <asn> haven't had a chance to deeply look at the newest  prop259 changes. what I read looks good. i plan to read deeply today or tomorrow.
17:15:59 <nickm> (FYI prop259 is no longer changing; the new one will get a new number)
17:16:06 <asn> nickm: yep. not sure how to refer to that.
17:16:11 <Yawning> prop#259
17:16:15 <Yawning> oh, that
17:16:30 <asn> next week I'll likely be catching up with insane amounts of ticket/task backlog I accumulated while travelling
17:16:50 <asn> also i have to follow up with some people from HOPE
17:16:59 <Yawning> nickm: on a side note, someone (probably me) should build our next "probably rc" with new openssl again
17:17:12 <nickm> ooh, good point
17:17:18 <isis> asn: are there videos of the HOPE talks somewhere?
17:17:27 <Yawning> though depending on how we feel about backporting compatibility stuff
17:17:36 <Yawning> we could say "screw it, we'll fix it when it's out and it breaks"
17:17:52 <asn> isis: i think mrphs got the talk DVDs (!?) and he is going to upload them to youtube
17:18:01 <Yawning> there is no hope, only eternal despair and darkness
17:18:13 <asn> Yawning: well said
17:18:35 <nickm> Yawning: i'd say "it depends on how much darkness and despair we're looking at"
17:18:39 <isis> also the "prop#259" (or whatever number it's going to be) changes which were in gitlab looked good to me ~2 weeks ago when i cursorily read them
17:18:40 <nickm> any more, or next update?
17:19:09 <nickm> isis: teor had some tricky comments on the related ticket #19468, which I am only sorta-kinda sure on
17:19:33 <nickm> I *think* that we're converging on something that would work, or which could be more easily adapted to work than the current thing -- but i dunno
17:20:16 <mrphs> asn: isis: they'll be up tomorrow or so on tpo youtube account - currently waiting for sysrqb to rip them.
17:20:27 <mrphs> asn: isis: meanwhile, here's the first talk http://livestream.com/internetsociety/hopeconf/videos/130664126
17:21:28 * dgoulet arrived at SponsorR meeting... unfortunately not available much now, sorry about that :S
17:22:07 <nickm> any more updates this week?  athena?
17:23:27 <nickm> anybody?
17:24:46 <isis> ugh, those issues on #19468 are a bit commmplicated
17:25:22 <isis> i will need to sit without distraction with the old version of the proposal, the ticket, and the new proposal and think about them.
17:27:47 <athena> i have #8625 ready for review, and i'm still waiting for comment on #18320 and #18640.  currently working on #19552 and #19333.  nickm, you wanted to toss some new-guards stuff at me IIRC?
17:27:50 <nickm> ok, while
17:27:59 <nickm> ah!
17:28:01 <nickm> thanks!
17:28:32 <nickm> athena: probably step 1 is to read the most recent version of my proposal on #19468, skim through the twstrike code, and decide how much we can reuse?
17:28:48 <athena> sure
17:29:01 <nickm> maybe you'd be able to do a couple of the TODOs at the end of the 19468, like specifying an (easy! simple!) storage format or (simple! please!) migration plan?
17:29:09 <nickm> or would you rather I did those too?
17:29:23 <athena> yeah, i think i can handle that
17:29:46 <nickm> cool
17:30:01 <nickm> who is reviewer on your needs_Review tickets?  Is it all me?
17:31:21 <athena> #18640 is you; #18320 was last reviewed by dgoulet, who thought he found a bug but i don't think it actually was and explained why on the ticket, and i'm waiting for either a "no, this is actually a bug" or "okay, good to go" from someone
17:32:07 <nickm> dgoulet: do you have time to look at athena's #18320 in the next day or two, or should we call that merge_ready and push it at me?
17:33:54 <nickm> anybody else with updates, or should we move to discussion?
17:36:45 <nickm> okay. discussion! anybody have topics? or should we save everything for the retrospective?
17:36:53 <nickm> I don't have much for today other than "reviews please"
17:37:39 * isis has to take off, but will be at the retrospective
17:38:30 <nickm> no topics?
17:38:38 <nickm> then I declare this meeting over in like 2 minutes
17:38:48 <isabela> no topics from me
17:38:51 <nickm> (I get the feeling everybody is pretty busy today....)
17:39:11 <isabela> and we have another long meeting later
17:39:36 <isabela> pick your gifs!
17:39:37 <isabela> :)
17:39:53 <nickm> peace all!
17:40:02 <isabela> thanks nickm o/
17:40:03 <nickm> I'm going offline for a bit, to try to limit myself to an 8 hour day :)
17:40:09 <nickm> see you later
17:40:12 <nickm> #endmeeting