16:00:21 #startmeeting ux team weekly sync 16:00:21 Meeting started Tue Apr 24 16:00:21 2018 UTC. The chair is isabela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:21 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:21 I am here 16:00:24 yo 16:00:27 alright 16:00:28 i know haha 16:00:40 so i just created milestones all the way to september for both infra and ux 16:00:47 ! 16:00:51 trac or oniongit? 16:00:56 oniongit 16:01:00 ah let me see 16:01:08 my question today is: what is your 'inprogress' column or 'doing' 16:01:14 for both ux and infra 16:01:24 do you feel it will be done by next monday? 16:01:35 well, i feel like my ttb tasks are never ending 16:01:41 i havent added anything to the milestones yet 16:01:47 hiro: ^^ 16:01:49 just created them 16:01:57 antonela: haha 16:02:01 is cool to carry it on 16:02:04 yes 16:02:07 i know there are many iterations 16:02:15 isabela: a few things 16:02:28 lektor: have to sync w/ irl. he was busy and we didn't do it 16:02:39 test translations: done 16:02:44 ! 16:02:50 the salt part is on hold 16:02:57 i moved to closed! 16:03:03 hehe test translation one 16:03:07 and the docs it's what I have been doing here https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/operations/services 16:03:12 :) nice 16:03:16 I also started to do the roadmap using my notes from rome 16:03:30 I will add the milestones there too :) and the link to the board it's nice 16:03:34 ty, i know i am super behind on organizing this stuff 16:04:10 i wonder if there is an easy way to get trac to create these issues on git lab 16:04:18 i mean 16:04:24 the rules thing 16:04:56 for ux i would say anything with ux-team keyword on trac 16:05:01 yes 16:05:05 should be a issue on group ux on gitlab 16:05:07 that one is easy 16:05:10 yes I should start that 16:05:13 but i dont know for sure how to do that for infra 16:05:15 iujuu 16:05:17 since is more spread out 16:05:17 having that huginn thing 16:05:31 yeah that will help me a lot on this taks to get stuff organized 16:05:32 but last week i was full on the search thing 16:05:32 * dmr waves 16:05:40 hi dmr! 16:05:44 hi o/ 16:05:46 it's working nice now. I have still to push some updates 16:05:53 hiro, you can try with ux tasks which are maybe ~100 16:06:07 yep I'll try that w/ huginn 16:06:11 ok 16:06:18 maybe do ux first 16:06:23 coolio 16:06:26 but i dont know how the rules for infra should be 16:06:43 isabela in the services page I have tickets for each thing I do 16:06:48 because it involves more things than just one keyword 16:06:49 it's either a component or a keyword 16:07:14 yeah i just dont know how to do it 16:07:19 cuz component is hard no? 16:07:22 cuz you have multiple ones 16:07:24 so link on the left are wiki pages for each service and link on the right are link to the actual service 16:07:36 yep but each component can be a project 16:07:51 ok 16:08:05 do you want to create your own rules for infra? 16:08:07 hehe 16:08:10 haha 16:08:16 yep I can do that hehe 16:08:25 :) its easier cuz you know better than me 16:08:51 i will try to organize may for yall 16:08:55 next tuesday i wont be online 16:09:02 is may day and i am taking the day off to protest 16:09:04 :) 16:09:14 isabela: :) 16:09:17 isabela next week I will be at that seminar, I will be online but a bit slow to reply 16:09:30 so maybe we skip next week? 16:09:36 poor antonela will be alone 16:09:41 hiro: listening "dark web" trends? 16:09:44 haha ye 16:09:51 ahhh no no not that one 16:10:04 that one I thought I was kinda lame... I was receiving emails about it 16:10:08 no worries, i'll be at cryptorave 16:10:14 next week i think 16:10:15 haha 16:10:17 not sure when 16:10:25 i mean tuesday 16:10:29 next tuesday i will be offline 16:10:36 yes! is may first 16:10:43 \o/ strike! 16:10:52 k 16:11:24 antonela one thing: steph asked me to update the logo on https://www.torproject.org/ but the png I have doesn't feel quite right... do you have a better one? 16:12:01 yes 16:12:08 Also: I have started this documentation for phoul: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/operations/services/support 16:12:10 i can dm you 16:12:15 lets try to sync next week via email then 16:12:21 isabela: yep 16:12:31 hiro: ohh neat 16:12:37 I think we should let translators know that either they should touch ids, or they should make sure that all the ids work consistently 16:12:39 and the week after too hehe i will all over the place doing trainings /me thinks 16:13:13 I wanted to add a few more things before sending it via email 16:13:28 nice 16:13:36 yes, so cool, thanks for document it hiroooo 16:13:42 really cool 16:13:54 i wonder one thing tho 16:14:31 if translators ifx translations using lecktor - and we add new strings(one day in the future) to the site, and has to pull all translations from transifex again 16:14:42 will that overwrite the fixes they did via lecktor 16:14:56 uhm 16:15:05 in other words will this be also reflected on transifex bags or whatever you call the translations you grab from there 16:15:08 you see what i mean? 16:15:12 I think we would upload the databags again? I am not sure how transifex work 16:15:24 hiro: maybe sync on that with phoul? 16:15:29 sure 16:15:35 i tried to fix spanish strings but i created an account at transifex just to avoid it 16:15:43 cool, but i think using lecktor to fix translations is a great idea 16:15:56 oh yes, but if we can sync 16:16:02 i just dont want things to be overwritten when we pull new stuff from transifex 16:16:08 since the fix wont be on transifex 16:16:09 also people on transifex make mistakes with these databags 16:16:20 fuen :9 16:16:20 maybe I should think of another format? 16:16:39 format for the databags? 16:16:42 yes like adding some " 16:17:02 nope using the same databags but find a way for them not to edit things like #ids or htmkl 16:17:10 yeah 16:17:21 transifex needs to get their shit together 16:17:25 and not allow that by default 16:17:37 like any tag or code shouldnt be changeble 16:17:41 or whatever you spell that :) 16:17:57 I thought that was not going to jappen because phoul said that transifex doesn't allow you to edit html 16:18:03 changeable 16:18:06 * isabela looked it up 16:18:07 but maybe is not reading that as html 16:18:17 ahh 16:18:20 lol I used j instead of h I am turning spanish here 16:18:26 lol 16:18:38 i understand 16:18:42 jappen 16:18:44 lol 16:18:56 jappen is perfect 16:18:58 LOL 16:19:12 just jappen that i am jappy today 16:19:14 :) 16:19:26 anw 16:19:52 HAHHA 16:19:56 this meeting man 16:20:14 * dmr tries hard not to lol literally 16:20:34 ok - i guess we are on updates now 16:20:42 hiro: do you want to continue w/ your stuff? 16:20:56 * antonela m̶a̶n̶ ̶ sister 16:21:11 :) 16:21:16 uhm yeah so I have some updates to search that I am putting online today. Antonela made a quick and dirty qa for me 16:21:26 nice 16:21:27 and I have some of those fixes already 16:21:48 then I have to document how it works and fix a few things in the backend 16:22:04 related with support and translates i want to add that Phoul is doing a great job contacting people for native speakers QA 16:22:05 but it can be tested for the results and the locales and the ui 16:22:33 on stagging? 16:22:41 so, when the time comes we should have those languages uploaded into stagging so we can test 16:23:02 antonela: awesome 16:23:12 phoul awesome :) 16:23:18 :) 16:23:21 i hope start with it next week 16:23:22 yes on staging 16:23:42 hiro: the search on stagging gives me an error 16:23:46 *staging 16:23:51 unable to connect error 16:24:20 really? 16:24:22 http://195.201.2.191/support-staging/en?q=tor 16:24:27 when you re-do the query? 16:24:32 is working for me 16:24:33 any query 16:24:35 uhm 16:24:54 I'll check the logs nevermind 16:24:57 http://195.201.2.191/support-staging/en?q=vpn 16:24:59 is working here 16:25:00 https://share.riseup.net/#OHLOIZK1D2VKNlIu635Wxw 16:25:16 oh 16:25:23 :( only me 16:25:34 ah no spanish is having an issue 16:25:39 I wonder what's happening 16:25:49 but the url for en?q=vpn 16:25:53 doesnt open either 16:26:08 well you are trying https 16:26:09 when the url changes it skips a variables and it crashes 16:26:13 and the results are http 16:26:18 _for now_ 16:26:19 ahh yeah there is no https because there is no domain 16:26:26 ahhhh 16:26:28 :) 16:26:31 http://195.201.2.191/support-staging/es?q=censura 16:26:32 * antonela did the same before 16:26:34 duh! :) 16:26:35 hehe sorry 16:26:36 :D 16:26:59 let me get a browser that allows http 16:27:09 oh what secure browser are you using 16:27:10 lol 16:27:11 hahahhaha 16:27:21 dale 16:27:26 now works 16:27:33 \o/ 16:27:59 oki oki i will play w/ it 16:28:18 hiro: please continue :) w/ your update 16:28:54 uhm well I think I am over to be honest. I have to document and fix a few things in the backend so that we can start using it and maybe get a subdomain for it 16:29:10 thanks for doing all the documentation 16:29:19 meanwhile I will see if I can catchup with irl and have some feedback regarding the lektor packages 16:29:22 getting the house organized! 16:29:32 yep easter clean up like 16:29:47 I will also add those to the services page 16:29:56 they live on the debian gitlab instance 16:30:37 there was something we were talking with antonela today that we mentioned we should talk at the meeting 16:30:42 but now I don't remember 16:30:52 i dont remember either 16:30:54 OH 16:30:56 I REMEMBERED 16:31:29 isa for qa with native people, do you think we could make a questionnaire to have a consistent feedback across languages? 16:31:39 we were thinking about to use survey.tpo 16:31:44 ah yes that! 16:31:48 idk, let me know what do you think is the best way to sort it 16:31:54 I was just going through the backlog wih antonela :) 16:32:01 haha 16:32:02 sure, just focused on UI stuff right? 16:32:11 yes, layout mostly 16:32:36 yes another thing is, we are flipping the sidebar 16:32:39 i'd like to document this process in some way 16:32:42 yes exactly 16:32:44 should we also flip the navbar too? I am not sure 16:32:57 oh good question 16:33:01 i dont know the answer 16:33:04 yes 16:33:52 cool 16:33:57 well besides this I am ok w/ my update 16:33:58 done 16:34:00 for rtl the nav needs to also sstarts from rtl 16:34:03 we can talk about it later, just to keep it in mind 16:34:10 k 16:34:24 oka, my update? 16:34:27 sure! 16:34:34 last week i worked on a proposal for #25658 - security indicators. Wasn't so successful, so I'm back to working over icons again. 16:34:50 the ticket is becoming popular so i love to read community feedback there 16:35:17 Also, I worked on mobile mockups for small sized devices and tablets for circuit display and padlock indicators at #25764 16:35:36 i started last week to work on about:tor/onboarding, I updated #25695 yesterday so people have time to check it and we can discuss them over our ttb meeting tomorrow. 16:35:50 Alon's project scope was done and shared with shari, you and steph. Waiting for formal things to start working with him, yeee 16:36:14 Elio is working with me on an onion icon. Thanks Elio! I'd like to have time this week to work on it too #25763 16:36:59 antonela: formal things == ? like we create a contract with that? 16:37:02 yes 16:37:12 ok 16:37:15 i will mov ethat on 16:37:17 *move 16:37:26 initial payment maybe 16:37:32 we need to have the contract 16:37:38 then we do the first payment etc 16:37:42 idk, let me know if you need something else from my side on it 16:37:43 yes 16:37:44 yes 16:37:52 i will get that going 16:38:01 yeees, thanks :D 16:38:48 so, formally this is the last week of the month and the last week working with TTB and TBA, but i have a lot of things to work with so maybe we will extend to may too 16:39:09 + alon's illos + website mocks 16:39:17 the agenda w/ tb tomorrow should stay the same? security controls and about:tor 16:39:23 YES 16:39:24 do you want anything else 16:39:25 ? 16:39:26 exactly 16:39:33 about:tor and security controls 16:39:37 ok 16:39:45 we did 2 meetings for circuits and were super productive 16:39:53 so, is working :) 16:40:23 circuits are pretty much ready for implementation right? 16:40:37 yes, arthur is doing an awesome work implementing it 16:40:43 cant wait to testtt 16:40:49 and android is ready too 16:41:00 i mean for whenver the folks are ready to work on it 16:41:04 yes, i just need to clean my files to share with devs 16:41:46 since is the first time doing it, i'll talk with matt and igor about it. Like what is the best way for them to receive the design files 16:42:17 also, i think stephw is working this week with the website content 16:42:44 awesome 16:42:50 yeah 16:42:53 so i created a pad for the about:tor/onboarding copy 16:42:54 i havent done my part onthat 16:42:54 it is important to maintain a coherent speech across website/products 16:43:01 ahh 16:43:03 https://pad.riseup.net/p/about-tor-copy 16:43:17 i thought you were talking about tpo site 16:43:19 we can talk about it maybe on friday? or should i trigger an email? idk 16:43:23 yes also 16:43:39 the idea was for that to go into the styleguide right? 16:43:53 what im thinking is: If our headline is "Browse Safe" on tpo.org, we should have at about:tor "You are ready to browse safe" 16:44:12 ok 16:44:19 this copy is just for the onboarding module 16:44:23 yes 16:44:25 not the page itself 16:44:27 yes 16:44:28 gotcha 16:44:30 :) 16:44:34 but should be related 16:44:36 you know 16:44:40 i mean 16:44:43 the about:tor 16:44:45 has a page 16:44:49 and the onboard module 16:44:56 the little thing you click and guides the ppl 16:44:58 right? 16:45:14 yes 16:45:15 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/25695/25695-about.png 16:45:21 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/attachment/ticket/25695/25695-about-new-feature-walkthrough.png 16:45:27 sorry is so big 16:45:54 and then we have the walkthrough for *featured* features 16:46:09 like the new circuit display or security settings old slider component 16:46:25 yes 16:46:39 is this ready for folks to review? 16:46:48 yes :) 16:47:07 are you going to add links that we have today on that page 16:47:18 or to our new portals 16:47:26 like vounteer - goes to community portal 16:47:28 make a donation 16:47:34 etc 16:47:36 oh yes 16:47:56 or move them to community.tpo 16:48:04 i can organize that for you 16:48:08 we can think about it 16:48:09 but 16:48:12 great 16:48:19 things might not be all launched at the same time 16:48:27 so you might need a version for today's world 16:48:32 and one for when we do the portals 16:48:52 we should for sure have a donation link there 16:48:53 well, we could have it linking to our current pages 16:49:02 that is what i mean 16:49:04 yes 16:49:05 yes 16:49:09 we need to use the links of today for now 16:49:17 then we can build a new version when we have the portals 16:49:19 atm donate is another site 16:49:30 yes, but we link to donation from about:tor 16:49:30 we should think of that w the redesign 16:49:33 yep, i didnt include external links yet, but yes we should include them 16:49:39 hiro: will stay that way 16:49:40 for now 16:49:43 because in donate.tpo there are a few things 16:49:44 ah ok 16:49:50 the site map has it that way 16:49:56 I was thinking of all the links to civi stuff 16:49:59 donate/newsletter 16:50:06 yeah 16:50:10 all that stays this way 16:50:15 we wont touch those (for now) 16:50:19 oka 16:50:34 btw I have added civi to the roadmap. I'd write back to leez from eff so that we can get in touch w the civi people 16:50:58 ah 16:51:08 giant rabbit wants to have a sync 16:51:12 ah ok 16:51:12 about the work they are doing w/ tor 16:51:19 are they doing work? 16:51:20 i have no idea what they want 16:51:31 i am not sure, i told them i cant do it till i am back from brazil 16:51:38 maybe irc? 16:51:44 phone 16:51:44 btw I think leez told me soemthing didn't work out w giant rabbit for them 16:51:45 i would love to talk with them 16:51:48 i cant think of that right now 16:51:49 tbh 16:51:53 oka 16:52:01 next semester ha 16:52:03 *worst* 16:52:04 hahahha 16:52:23 isabela: anw I'll write back and find out things 16:52:29 yes please do 16:52:39 whenver i am back and write back to giant rabbit 16:52:41 i will add you to that 16:52:44 okis 16:52:46 so you know what they say they are doing 16:52:46 cc'd me there 16:52:47 hehe 16:52:50 "civi" means/is what? 16:52:56 civi crm 16:53:01 ahh, thanks 16:53:05 it's a mod of drupal 16:53:11 right 16:53:20 antonela: sure 16:53:26 thanks 16:53:40 antonela: how long you in sp for? 16:53:48 jueves hasta el domingo 16:53:57 ok 16:54:12 we should maybe sync on work while we there i think things will move faster hehehe 16:54:22 and it will be helpful for me (to catch up) 16:54:26 is that ok? 16:54:28 oh yes 16:54:32 i'll bring my computer haha 16:54:32 so yes 16:54:36 just a small thing before go, last week isa and i we have been part of a UX workshop with trainers in latam 16:54:40 i think they were in Costa Rica 16:54:55 yep 16:54:56 it was so cool! people will give us a user kind of feedback about TTB 16:55:20 :) i think they were happy it was all done in spanish 16:55:30 didnt had to deal with english hehe 16:55:32 and i promised them to share a TTB bundle to test new features once we have them 16:55:38 yes, was in spanish, so cool 16:55:52 sometimes some words in english i dont know how they are in spanish 16:56:02 is ok 16:56:16 anw, cool pool of people to test ttb once we have it ready to tesst 16:56:17 test 16:56:44 thats all folks 16:56:55 One thing 16:56:58 Hello everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am interested in helping with the Tor UX team but I'm not quite sure where to start. 16:57:07 hi kevun! 16:57:11 hello 16:57:11 Hello! 16:57:31 hi kevun !!! 16:57:33 welcome! 16:57:39 Thanks isabela! 16:57:41 thi si the right place for that! 16:57:43 :) 16:57:47 *this is 16:58:11 kevun: you should hang out tomorrow too 16:58:14 at our syncs with TB 16:58:18 OK, what time? 16:58:25 is 1900 utc (right antonela ?) 16:58:33 * isabela is a mess w/ meetings these days 16:58:33 kevun: it's depends on what do you want to do. I'm working with a bunch of Tor Browser UX/UI tickets this month (mentioned before) you can start reading them and thinking solutions :) 16:59:15 The syncs will be at 1900UTC at #tor-meeting channel 16:59:15 yes 16:59:31 OK, sounds good! I'm also working on a usability study right now (I'm an NYU PhD student) but I've discussed that with isabela in the past. 16:59:42 yes! 17:00:05 antonela: do you have those 2 tickets we will talk tomorrow handing? 17:00:22 maybe kevun can catch up w/ it before the meeting 17:00:23 yes 17:00:25 #25658 17:00:35 #25695 17:00:39 tx! 17:00:45 poor bot is not working 17:00:52 it only shows once 17:01:00 i mean 17:01:00 lazy bot 17:01:01 smart bot 17:01:04 hahaha 17:01:16 and if you have any design background, here is the onion icon ticket 17:01:17 #25763 17:01:27 OK, I will read up on those and show up for the meeting tomorrow at 1900 UTC. 17:01:33 ^ inference: lazy == smart? 17:01:33 gotcha! thanks :) 17:01:43 I don't have design background, but I'm willing to learn and try anything. 17:01:44 great! 17:02:10 ok ppl 17:02:23 we are in the 1hr mark 17:02:34 i am mostly trying to do the things i said i was going to do last week 17:02:42 organize roadmap and content for tpo 17:02:49 and becoming an ED 17:02:53 hahahaha 17:02:54 \o/ 17:03:17 o// 17:03:46 is your emoji playing voley? 17:03:51 hahaha 17:03:59 should i kill the bot? 17:04:00 no it's doing this 17:04:02 \\o 17:04:05 o// 17:04:05 yes, bye bot 17:04:08 ula ula 17:04:11 ohhh was dancing 17:04:13 LOL 17:04:17 yeah in my mind it was 17:04:21 \\o 17:04:22 o// 17:04:24 faster 17:04:24 #endmeeting