13:58:24 <antonela> #startmeeting ux-team 13:58:24 <MeetBot> Meeting started Tue Mar 5 13:58:24 2019 UTC. The chair is antonela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:58:24 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:58:29 <antonela> hello all o/ 13:59:13 <antonela> first meeting of the month, add your updates here https://storm.torproject.org/shared/QRPwkhmDh7F874HmEGPOIwPtm4_a2OmfIASCxpUj8I8 14:01:04 <antonela> pili, could we start with a roadmap review? 14:01:08 <pili> sure 14:01:34 <antonela> the kanban here https://storm.torproject.org/shared/Y7pXH_tKMITCSJbLrP8QMbecaOuMFbsS7TtgfLqDHrA 14:03:08 <pili> I've added a few more columns for the work completed in Feb and one for this month 14:03:54 <antonela> great, im moving those which are ready from the ux team perspective, devs are still working on it and we are also reviewing 14:04:11 <antonela> technically, we are still working on them, but officially they are done on our side :) 14:04:16 <antonela> is that good? 14:04:58 <antonela> dunqan: #28628 is going to be on development for 8.5 :) 14:05:10 <pili> antonela: sounds good to me 14:05:19 <dunqan> oh great! 14:05:20 <antonela> pili, great 14:05:23 <dunqan> need anything from me? 14:05:43 <antonela> not now, but keep that ticket around so we can review it together once development is done 14:05:48 <dunqan> Sure thing 14:06:16 <antonela> im wondering if we need a label at the left item menu "Security" something that says that it is new, not sure 14:06:47 <dunqan> left item menu? 14:07:09 <dunqan> ah the welcome nav? 14:07:22 <antonela> yes 14:07:27 <dunqan> possibly, although will that matter to new users? 14:07:35 <antonela> good question 14:08:03 <antonela> i was thinking about recurrent users and how they can discover that besides reading the changelog 14:08:28 <dunqan> Yeah, do we have any info on how often existing users return to the slideshow? 14:08:36 <antonela> not really :( 14:08:53 <dunqan> I certainly did when I first set up Tor 14:09:07 <dunqan> and used it as a mini-reference guide 14:09:20 <antonela> yes 14:09:21 <antonela> let's think about it and back to the ticket if something great comes up 14:09:35 <antonela> pili, any question about anything there? 14:09:42 <dunqan> Sure thing, I can add a little "new" flag to the sketch but I'll keep it private for now 14:09:58 <antonela> dunqan: perfect, thanks! 14:10:20 <antonela> pili, Donation page work is not longer ours, GR will work on it 14:10:28 <pili> so... there's a bunch of things that don't seem to have been moved on for a while :) 14:10:29 <emmapeel> ey three, sorry we are on the last indonesian workshop riught now in surabaya 14:11:00 <pili> I haven't really kept on top of this for the past few weeks 14:11:08 <pili> and not sure if people have been remembering to update themselves 14:11:11 <antonela> me either 14:11:32 <emmapeel> just came to excuse myself, have a nice meeting! i promise i will read the logs. 14:11:35 <pili> antonela: about GR, yup, I know, shall we move it to done? 14:11:44 <pili> I just did 14:11:50 <pili> enjoy emmapeel ! 14:11:51 <antonela> okey 14:12:31 <pili> antonela: elioqoshi: the OONI Explorer mock ups are done, right? :) 14:12:33 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Adding a few updates of mine on the roadmap as I haven't taken care of that much either 14:12:48 <pili> great, thanks elioqoshi! 14:13:30 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> pili, well landing page is not really done. I mean I have something from 6 months ago but I'm sure that's not what we want to release 14:13:37 <pili> no worries :) 14:13:49 <antonela> okey, i think we are done with the kanban, right pili? 14:13:58 <pili> it's still in progress or does it need to be reviewed further? 14:14:15 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> The landing page needs a lot of input from Arturo since he has a very specific vision of what to communicate there 14:14:27 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> He is traveling this week though 14:14:42 <pili> ok, I'll move it to needs review then 14:14:50 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> pili, it needs to be reviewed yes 14:14:59 <antonela> pili, i see new identity at the backlog column but it doesn't have funding yet, should we work on it anyways? 14:15:03 <pili> what about the search and measurement page? 14:15:22 <pili> no, I don't think so, I need to clean the current backlog 14:15:22 <antonela> and, regarding network team OTF, when should we start with it? 14:15:27 <antonela> pili, oki 14:15:36 <pili> there's some things I want to move back to icebox 14:15:41 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> (I suspect the landing page hasn't been a big priority for the beta launch as it's more of a promotional aspect of Explorer rather than functional) 14:15:47 <pili> as it doesn't seem like anyone is working on them or has any plans to any time soon ;) 14:16:03 <antonela> perfect 14:16:20 <pili> about network team OTF, in theory we're starting in April but we can start now if we want 14:16:36 <pili> however, I don't think network team will be able to start working on it before then 14:16:48 <pili> so the kick off meeting won't be before then 14:17:02 <antonela> okey, so if there is no kick off we cannot start 14:17:04 <antonela> hehe 14:17:11 <pili> sounds good to me ;) 14:17:15 <antonela> perfect 14:17:56 <pili> maybe give me some time to review the roadmap before next week's meeting and we can do a better review then 14:18:02 <antonela> so for this march we have as core, reporting user research from travels, focusing on TBA release, TB8.5 release, OONI Explorer + website redesign and launch tpo.org 14:18:37 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> (to specify: Explorer Beta will be launched) 14:18:46 <antonela> yes yes 14:19:07 <antonela> cool, at somepoint this week, could we triage ux-team issues pili? 14:19:20 <pili> yup, tomorrow, during our 1:1? 14:19:38 <antonela> perfect, we could do that in some public room 14:19:54 <antonela> and talking about that, i think we have tor-ux open \o/ 14:20:12 <pili> \o/ 14:20:14 <antonela> so maybe is a good way to brand new it 14:20:22 * antonela join tor-ux 14:20:23 <pili> good idea :) 14:20:30 <dunqan> that was quick! 14:20:48 <antonela> :D 14:20:51 <antonela> okey, great 14:20:54 <antonela> lets see the agenda 14:21:09 <antonela> Elio, what is remaining in OONI Explorer land 14:21:16 <antonela> ? 14:23:08 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> I had a good working session with Sarath and did live changes on the search apge 14:23:50 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> More stuff is needed I'd say but as it is now it's passable for a beta I think. I will need to do at least one more meeting with him ideally and we can squash some ui bugs quickly 14:24:13 <antonela> great, can i see some staging environment for it? I'd like to review it this/next week as well 14:25:14 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Apart that, the landing page needs to be done. Not sure how critical it is for beta but I'd like to have something by next week. The biggest ingredient for this is some rebriefing with Arturo as I think he has a specific vision for it in mind 14:25:42 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> antonela, there is only this available right now: 14:25:43 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> http://ooni-explorer-next.test.ooni.io/search 14:25:51 <antonela> and country pages? 14:26:31 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> However, we did a bunch of changes directly on Sarath's build on the search page which makes it quite different now 14:26:57 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> I'm not aware of any news re: implementation of country pages 14:27:03 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> It's not online at least 14:27:25 <antonela> okey, if you have anything online that we can start to review, let me know 14:27:32 <antonela> great, thanks elioqoshi! 14:28:01 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Yeah, nothing to review re: Explorer at this point 14:28:08 <antonela> emmapeel is not here, but for the backlog, what is the status of #25642? content is frizzed 14:29:28 <antonela> emmapeel: a few weeks ago by now, let me know if you can 1. review the templates to make sure that they have the appropriate structure for translations, 2. have translations ready for our release day 3. join our weekly checking about website on thursdays 14:30:32 <antonela> and pili, emmanuel we need to start to work with the user material you collected in grounds, so if you can share with me this week via onionshare or something similar, will be great 14:30:47 <antonela> pili, i can help you with the mov/mp4 convertion tomorrow morning 14:31:01 <antonela> s/convertion/conversion 14:31:12 <pili> sure, I might have it done by tonight anyway :) will let you know 14:31:23 <antonela> emmapeel ^^^ 14:31:38 <antonela> pili great, thank you for that effort! i can feel your pain jiji 14:32:00 <antonela> elioqoshi your turn 14:32:41 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> On an unrelated note: ProtonPie just announced that the new version supports Figma: https://www.protopie.io/ 14:33:01 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> That means that ideally I will be able to make much better prototypes if this is as true as it sounds like 14:33:19 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> I will try it out and if I'm happy I will purchase a license 14:33:51 <antonela> nice, figma prototyping features were kind of poor 14:34:07 <antonela> let us know how it goes, never tried protopie before 14:34:13 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Yeah they are basic 14:34:15 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Yep 14:34:23 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Okay, I'd like some advice on a few issues I filed 14:34:29 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Starting with this: https://github.com/ooni/probe/issues/850 14:35:02 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> So in a nutshell, users cannot access logs of failed tests because logs are available only in the test details screen 14:35:42 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> I was exploring what are the best ways to make users be able access logs for a test, for both Android and iOS 14:36:18 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> We are thinking to add swiping actions (like Gmail for example) for both iOS and Android. Do you think that's okay? 14:36:32 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> It's pretty hidden. But it should not be either a feature which is exposed 14:37:54 <dunqan> Are Google products are the best reference for iOS patterns, since they often try and shoe-horn in Android icons/interactions? 14:38:03 <dunqan> i.e. the repeating kebab menu 14:38:36 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> the swiping action is very standard in IOS 14:38:45 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> It's pretty exotic in Android 14:38:54 <dunqan> Sorry, yep, just read your chat there 14:39:02 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> But yeah, otherwise you are right 14:39:06 <dunqan> I was still looking at the kebab example :) 14:39:13 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Maybe I was cherry picking examples to suit my argument :P 14:39:25 <antonela> so, let me see if i understand the problem correctly: once on the measurement screen, users are not able to see logs? or why do you want to show logs in another place than the measurement page? 14:39:35 <antonela> elioqoshi haha classic 14:39:58 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Users never are able to get to the measurement screen because it failed 14:40:05 <antonela> ohh i see 14:40:10 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> logs are only available in the measurement screen 14:40:12 <antonela> that is the problem so 14:40:32 <dunqan> is there anything behind the failed item at all? i.e. could they just tap the failed item itself to reveal the log, rather than require another interaction? 14:40:34 <antonela> why dont we have a measurement screen for failed tests? 14:40:35 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> So we want to make them available one screen eariler as well: in the Test summary screen 14:40:50 <emmapeel> just came to excuse myself, have a nice meeting! i promise i will read the logs. 14:41:02 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> > why dont we have a measurement screen for failed tests? I guess that is an alternative 14:41:12 <emmapeel> oops sorry 14:41:14 <antonela> i remember a grey header screen for failed tests? am i dreaming? 14:41:33 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Might be more work dev-wise but less work UX-wise and better usability 14:41:37 <antonela> emmapeel: great! ping me later here! 14:41:45 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Yep, yellow 14:42:07 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> We scrapped that though for some reason (as we have nothing to show there?) 14:42:15 <antonela> elioqoshi im asking because is more consistent with all the other user flows, 1. test result list 2. measurement page 14:42:27 <antonela> well, that it failed, the timestamp and the log :) 14:42:51 <emmapeel> antonela: re 25642 i am still waiting for string freeze (you said there was a thread?) 14:43:03 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> The log will be accessible from the kebab menu as usual then 14:43:06 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Hmm yeah that should work 14:43:29 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> This will probably not be able to land in 2.1 then though 14:43:39 <antonela> emmapeel: we need you to come to our thursdays syncs because pili is organizing everything to release and localization is very important 14:44:02 <antonela> emmapeel: yes, the only page which got last minutes changes is about/history, and yes, is done 14:44:02 <emmapeel> i understand but it is very difficult for me to join those bluejeans meeting. why cant we have a normal irc meeting like the others? 14:44:34 <antonela> emmapeel i see, could you bring your concerns to the thread? i cannot answer that since we are meeting with blue jeans maybe since the project started 14:44:47 <emmapeel> or at least a solution that works with tor? also i dont understand anythign on voice meetings :S 14:45:34 <antonela> elioqoshi, got it, i'll comment the issue and we can following up from there, what else? 14:45:36 <pili> emmapeel: yes, please bring it up on the thread :) 14:46:13 <hiro> forgot about the meeting... 14:46:21 <hiro> updating the people page at this very moment 14:46:29 <hiro> a lot of copy and paste 14:47:04 <antonela> hiro, yeah :/ but will we are covering all the requests now :) 14:47:06 * antonela hopes 14:47:26 <antonela> will/are ha brain glitch 14:47:32 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> antonela, nothing and everything: I mentioned you in some issues on GitHub, but tried to keep it to a minimum 14:47:59 <antonela> elioqoshi yep, i got that emails, give me this week to go through it 14:48:09 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Some other doubts or things I'm unsure about UX-wise and would appreciate a 2nd pair of eyes. But nothing critical 14:48:29 <hiro> not complaining antonela. just sending my update 14:48:29 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Apart that, not much worth bringing to this meeting I think 14:48:43 <antonela> great, thanks for bringing them here elioqoshi 14:48:46 <antonela> hiro yes! 14:48:56 <antonela> okey, anything else people? 14:49:31 <slacktopus> <elioqoshi> Not from my side 14:50:07 <dunqan> you happy for me to just crack on with user journeys antonela? or do you want to feed back on locations first? 14:50:22 <antonela> dunqan: yes! lets talk at tor-ux about it :) 14:50:30 <dunqan> great :) 14:50:40 <pili> oh, just about the Outreachy application 14:50:53 <pili> antonela: and hiro I have you as potential mentors is that still ok? 14:51:08 <antonela> oh pili, yes yes 14:51:09 <pili> I am working on the project outline so one of you can submit on the outreachy website 14:51:11 <antonela> what do you need there 14:51:13 <pili> as I can't do it myself 14:51:29 <antonela> but, are we going to do that for the ux team? 14:51:37 <pili> there's just a few comments I need confirmation on 14:51:38 <pili> I'll send another mail out 14:51:44 <antonela> i remember that other teams have priority 14:51:44 <pili> we are going to submit 2 projects, one of them the UX team one 14:51:49 <antonela> ohhh good news 14:52:11 <pili> however, we're still waiting for sponsorship, so if we don't get it, it won't happen :P 14:52:18 <antonela> haha i see 14:52:30 <antonela> okey, let me know what is needed, i think the deadline is this week 14:52:41 <pili> deadline for projects is 12th March 14:52:42 * antonela adds item for tomorrow's 1.1 :) 14:52:45 <pili> :D 14:52:52 <antonela> ahh next week 14:52:59 <antonela> okey we are groot so 14:53:04 <pili> +1 14:53:14 <antonela> thanks for following that pili 14:53:36 <pili> yw 14:54:54 <antonela> okey last thing, im drafting the ux team february report here https://pad.riseup.net/p/ux-report-keep, you can leave notes so i don't forget anything 14:55:01 <antonela> i think we are groot now 14:55:04 <antonela> anything else people? 14:55:11 <pili> I'm groot 14:55:27 <dunqan> groot! 14:55:27 * antonela this team needs groot swag 14:55:48 <antonela> okey, will call it -- thanks folks! 14:55:51 <antonela> #endmeeting