15:59:54 <ggus> #startmeeting Community Team meeting - 07/22/2019 15:59:54 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Jul 22 15:59:54 2019 UTC. The chair is ggus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:54 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:00:02 <pili> hi :) 16:00:05 <ggus> hi! 16:00:11 <cy63113> Hey 16:01:05 <ggus> I was starting to organize our roadmap for the next months here: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-community-team-roadmap-2019-keep 16:01:24 <ggus> but pili maybe we should think about moving to dip.tpo? 16:01:32 <pili> I would like to :) 16:01:38 <pili> but I'm happy to start with the pad :) 16:02:24 <ggus> we could try to migrate to dip.tpo till the end of this month, what do you think? 16:03:05 <pili> sounds good to me 16:03:26 <pili> I think I need to talk to hiro about giving me access to create groups in gitlab/dip.tpo 16:04:50 <emmapeel> grrr horrible lag 16:04:53 <ggus> ok 16:05:04 <ggus> here's our old roadmap: https://storm.torproject.org/shared/ioKOV2MJw1Ff_viCUTrHfd6-rqX3x_BeJC36fSRfQYY 16:07:21 <ggus> let me merge the riseup pad with the old roadmap, so we don't get confused 16:09:19 <pili> ok 16:11:19 <ggus> ok, done 16:12:58 <ggus> In Stockholm meeting we had a session about Community Team roadmapping: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/meetings/2019Stockholm/Notes/CommunityTeamRoadmapping 16:13:15 <ggus> Pari and Pili published they notes 16:13:18 <ggus> their 16:15:37 <ggus> So let's start from first topic: - Proposal: Documentation Hackaton: update support and tb-manual (needs to rescheduled) 16:15:40 <pili> ggus: I can't see any items for july in the new pad 16:15:47 <pili> (new = rise up) 16:15:54 <pili> I refreshed a few times... 16:16:13 <ggus> pili: i merged to sandstorm 16:16:29 <pili> ah, ok 16:17:08 <pili> so for the Documentation Hackathon 16:17:19 <emmapeel> oh... pity the hackaton rescheduled 16:17:24 <pili> do we take e.g half a day or a whole day and a bunch of us get together to update the documents? 16:17:25 <emmapeel> but yeah ok 16:17:34 <pili> do we want to publicise it somewhere to get people to help out? :) 16:17:46 <pili> how can we make it fun to incentivise volunteers? :) 16:17:47 <emmapeel> i thought to get posibly new contributors 16:18:19 <emmapeel> i thought people that does support may be good 16:18:44 <ggus> many people will be in vacations next days, or at least till the end of july. should we think in august? 16:20:23 <emmapeel> sure! 16:20:47 <emmapeel> we can also invite the tormenta people 16:23:01 <ggus> we could do that between august 5th - 9th. we will have hiro and antonela with us? 16:23:39 <pili> I think people will be on and off during july and august 16:23:44 <pili> I think we have a better chance in september 16:23:52 <pili> well, depending on the sorts of volunteers we want to get 16:24:00 <pili> if we target students then august would be better 16:24:52 <ggus> maybe first week of september? 16:25:16 <ggus> we also need time to organize the tickets and what we want to change 16:25:33 <emmapeel> yep 16:26:29 <pili> yup, I have an item to do some ticket clean up/triage at some point 16:26:31 <pili> it keeps not happening :/ 16:27:09 <clash> Hi! 16:27:10 <ggus> what about september 4? 16:27:28 <ggus> welcome, clash 16:27:34 <clash> What students do you plan to target with the hackathon? 16:27:54 <clash> I think the semester starts in September 16:28:02 <clash> In North America afaik 16:28:49 <pili> ggus: that could work for me :) 16:29:03 <cy63113> volunteers target are mostly students? 16:29:18 <pili> not necessarily, I was just brainstorming :) 16:29:20 <ggus> no, volunteers in general 16:29:22 <emmapeel> cy63113: is for a documentation hackaton 16:29:41 <cy63113> thanks emmapeel 16:29:51 <ggus> we could do the whole week: support portal and tb manual 16:31:11 <clash> A week would be fun 16:33:10 <ggus> ok, so here are the items to make this happen 16:33:16 <ggus> - 1: Guide about how to connect on IRC - #tor-www 16:33:17 <ggus> - 2: Ticket triage 16:33:17 <ggus> - 3: Blog post or social media 16:33:33 <pili> I wonder if a week will make it harder to get people's engagement... 16:33:46 <pili> unless we target each day during the week to a particular area 16:33:55 <pili> and then people can jump in on the day they are interested in 16:33:57 <ggus> great idea! 16:34:08 <ggus> one day about tb, another about onion services.. 16:34:19 <emmapeel> hmmm 16:34:38 <pili> yeah, maybe we can classify into distinct areas based on what themes the ticket triage throws up 16:34:49 <emmapeel> i see maybe people starts working on a document and takes a couple of days of nitpicking until it really changes 16:35:02 <emmapeel> also maybe we need some reviews from stephw or something 16:36:28 <kushal> Sorry for being late. 16:37:12 <emmapeel> hello kushal 16:37:51 <pili> it sounds to me like we need to define a process for the updates to get a quick feedback loop and see the updates in place by the end of the week 16:38:29 <pili> because I can see with some old tickets people actually made the changes and then they sat in needs review or equivalent forever 16:38:30 <pili> hence the value of the hackathon idea 16:38:45 <pili> but we need people available and engaged during the hackathon to review and merge relatively quickly 16:39:23 <ggus> yes 16:39:45 <ggus> i see that in the past we didn't have enough people available to check .webml content 16:40:05 <ggus> but for lektor it is way easier to check the content 16:44:29 <pili> ok, let's keep thinking about this, I will take on the triage part :) 16:45:11 <pili> also, I have a bit of an update on the VPN document, stephw will be reviewing soon and we hope to publish it before the end of the month and share it in the newsletter 16:45:15 <kushal> I am available if you need eyes to read and try out instructions. 16:45:50 <ggus> great to see this document to be published :) 16:47:40 <emmapeel> nice! i wonder if that docuemnt has a place on our documentation yet 16:47:43 <emmapeel> the vpn document 16:48:30 <pili> I seem to remember we said we'd add it to the support portal? 16:49:26 <ggus> yes, maybe we could split it in questions and have a VPN section? 16:50:07 <clash> then that section could be linked in the onboarding screen of Tor Browser perhaps 16:50:54 <clash> that was one of the reasons to have the document too iirc 🤔 16:51:07 <pili> yup 16:51:12 <ggus> and if we're going to add new content that should happen in september? 16:51:29 <pili> well, to begin with it was just going to be linked from the Tor Browser onboarding iirc 16:52:30 <pili> actually, yeah, what was said already, I mashed up ggus' and clash's comments together :D 16:52:47 <ggus> hehe! 16:52:50 <pili> ggus: which new content? for the vpn? I think we could try to do it once the blog post is done and not wait for the hackathon 16:53:00 <pili> but maybe we won't get around to it before 16:54:29 <ggus> well, let's see how the blog post looks like 16:54:39 <ggus> and then we do it 16:55:14 <pili> ok 16:55:51 <ggus> m, we have a lot of items in our agenda 16:56:26 <ggus> clash, cy63113, emmapeel, kushal: do you have more updates? 16:56:38 <cy63113> some 16:56:45 <ggus> please, go ahead 16:57:13 <ggus> or write them in the pad, we only have 3 minutes left 16:57:24 <clash> I really like the idea of setting up an onion service for students as a developer tool 16:57:39 <clash> I certainly learnt a bit of devops in the process of setting one up 16:57:40 <cy63113> I have 3 evangelizations, I mean, talks in Aug 16:58:06 <ggus> great! :D 16:58:15 <cy63113> I was checking the roadmap, I can continue to answer the RT 16:58:35 <ggus> that would be very helpful! 16:58:40 <cy63113> I'm not doing it for a while but I can do it again 16:59:05 <cy63113> and I can help with the tor south meetings 16:59:07 <ggus> cy63113: yes, let's talk by email about this 16:59:08 <pili> thanks cy63113 ! 16:59:13 <clash> I was wondering how it compares to the GitHub Student Pack or so which provide things like a free domain and is quite popular 🤔 16:59:16 <pili> I take a look every so often 16:59:23 <cy63113> that's it :) 16:59:25 <pili> to rt, mainly to clean up sapm 16:59:27 <pili> spam 16:59:34 <ggus> i'll stop the bot 16:59:37 <nickm> (network team meeting time, can we have the channel please?) 16:59:38 <ggus> #endmeeting