15:59:45 <antonela> #startmeeting www sync 15:59:45 <MeetBot> Meeting started Wed Sep 11 15:59:45 2019 UTC. The chair is antonela. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:45 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:59:53 <ggus> hey! 16:00:13 <antonela> hi folks o/ 16:00:26 <antonela> emmapeel, hiro, thurayya 16:00:51 <thurayya> o/ 16:01:28 <antonela> lets start with community updates and then lets move to anything that needs discussion 16:01:33 <ggus> antonela: do you have the sandstorm link? 16:01:40 <antonela> i dont :shy: 16:01:58 <antonela> could you share it with us ggus? 16:02:11 <ggus> i need to find 16:03:11 <ggus> https://storm.torproject.org/shared/mhWAZj0wCDcZBX9eUsB3pLsFnTGqB9uNc9H2mP9TQ3t 16:04:29 <antonela> so, re community.tpo.org we have updates! thurayya has been working on the user research content and I aim to review it this week and make a pr so stephw can give a read 16:05:20 <ggus> yay! 16:06:46 * antonela adds it to the pad 16:06:47 <ggus> last week i worked on support/tpo/manual websites, so i don't have updates about community.tpo 16:06:58 <antonela> cool, any other update about community? 16:07:14 <antonela> i think julius sent you a reviewed version of the policies 16:07:15 <antonela> did he? 16:07:26 <ggus> antonela: do we have a ticket in web/community about UX? 16:07:41 <antonela> yes a couple 16:08:12 <ggus> antonela: i think we could create labels to our sections in web/community 16:08:17 <antonela> https://dip.torproject.org/torproject/ux/team/issues/26 16:08:20 <ggus> relay, ux, outreach, 16:09:07 <antonela> yes, we could 16:09:08 <ggus> i see 16:09:46 <ggus> super! 16:10:02 <antonela> re policies, im talking about #26808 16:10:29 <antonela> it seems to need a place in community.tpo too 16:10:49 <ggus> antonela: i have a couple of tickets to discuss 16:10:56 <ggus> but we can do policy documents 16:12:21 <antonela> go for it ggus 16:13:11 <ggus> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/31603 16:13:30 <ggus> I'd like to close the issues part of these repositories 16:13:43 <ggus> since we are not checking 16:14:38 <antonela> not sure who owns gh repos, but seems something doable 16:14:47 <antonela> at least in gitlab is just a on/off option 16:15:08 <antonela> hiro maybe? 16:15:12 <ggus> i think so 16:16:00 <ggus> in tpo there are two open issues owned by you and another one by pili :P 16:16:21 <ggus> but it's probably done and tor-pusher didn't close 16:16:53 <hiro> we can close issues yes 16:17:00 <hiro> I can also give people the power to close issues 16:17:28 <ggus> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/31557 16:17:31 <ggus> yess! 16:17:50 <ggus> pili and i want power to close PRs 16:18:04 * antonela goes to close gh issues 16:19:07 <hiro> pili has that power already 16:19:10 <hiro> you now have 16:19:23 <hiro> emmapeel you too can have: you just need to give me your gh account 16:19:38 <antonela> what is the repo where you see two issues ggus? 16:19:57 <ggus> github/torproject/tpo 16:19:59 <hiro> antonela you have the power 16:20:16 <ggus> https://github.com/torproject/tpo/issues 16:21:46 <ggus> for the issues opened in support repo, i'll migrate to trac 16:23:19 <antonela> done 16:23:24 <antonela> why to trac? 16:23:38 <hiro> yeah why not dip? 16:23:54 <antonela> please, use dip ggus 16:24:33 <ggus> ok 16:25:02 <ggus> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/29945 16:25:47 <ggus> i fixed isse #2 today 16:25:55 <ggus> (the easy one) 16:26:21 <ggus> we should review the labels 16:26:49 <antonela> ideally we have bekela working on those stuffs, that is what the wiki says :) 16:27:58 <ggus> ok, i'll write to her and ask help on this 16:28:33 <ggus> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/31405 16:30:33 <antonela> is this one for hiro ggus? 16:31:09 <ggus> i think so 16:31:18 <hiro> uhm 16:31:25 <hiro> in the old site we had a redirect 16:31:39 <hiro> we can do the same so that we do not link to dist 16:32:38 <ggus> ok! 16:33:34 <ggus> the next one is the policy docs https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26808 16:33:43 <antonela> haha 16:34:09 <antonela> where do you want to have those? 16:34:48 <ggus> i was thinking about/policies 16:34:59 <antonela> not in community so 16:35:00 <antonela> in tpo 16:35:23 <antonela> and we don't need to list it in the submenu 16:35:31 <hiro> we have a lektor plugin that can be used to import those txt files from our git 16:35:34 <ggus> not in community, unfortunately 16:36:13 <ggus> how this plugin works? 16:36:58 <ggus> and also, do we want these docs translated? 16:37:13 <hiro> https://dip.torproject.org/web/community/blob/master/templates/two-columns-page.html#L18-20 16:38:14 <hiro> it creates this: https://community.torproject.org/training/code-of-conduct/ 16:38:33 <ggus> nice, it's working! 16:38:50 <antonela> \\o //o \\o //o 16:38:58 * antonela is dancing 16:39:19 <hiro> you can also import the localized file 16:39:42 <antonela> I think we should be careful with translations on those, they have legal wording 16:39:54 <hiro> you just have to past the alternative to the url... I think emmapeel said we can have those txt translated in the repo 16:39:59 <ggus> yeah 16:41:52 <ggus> hiro: this template only works in community repository? 16:42:09 <hiro> no all the web lektor projects 16:42:59 <hiro> we have a plugin for RSS feeds and one for txt files 16:43:44 <hiro> the one for RSS feeds is the one that creates our events list: https://community.torproject.org/outreach/ 16:44:00 <ggus> hiro: very nice! 16:44:07 <antonela> good stuff hiro! 16:44:10 <hiro> https://dip.torproject.org/web/community/blob/master/templates/outreach.html#L38 16:44:32 <hiro> if we wanted to have list of our latests blog posts we could have that too 16:45:50 <ggus> i'll keep this in mind :) 16:46:10 <antonela> so, what else folks? 16:46:25 <ggus> antonela: about policies, we are going to create one page per policy? 16:46:38 <antonela> good question 16:46:50 <ggus> or something like trademark style page 16:46:51 <antonela> the location will be tpo.org/about/policies? 16:47:06 <ggus> i think so 16:47:07 <antonela> and then you have a two columns layout? 16:47:16 <antonela> works for me 16:47:22 <ggus> works for me too 16:48:20 <ggus> the last ticket for today https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/30203 16:49:57 <ggus> a) "Alternative Downloads" 16:50:06 <ggus> b) "Download little-t-tor" 16:50:15 <ggus> c) "Download Tor network daemon" 16:50:30 <antonela> i think we already discussed it befor 16:50:31 <antonela> e 16:50:32 <ggus> d) Your new option 16:51:28 <antonela> the only weird thing right now is that win32 binaries are also listed under "Download Tor Source Code" 16:51:40 <ggus> yes 16:52:24 <antonela> and this could be an issue now because we dont have a devs portal, which should host this developer specific assets 16:52:48 <antonela> and any of the options above will fix that problem 16:53:30 <antonela> so, im not sure which problem are you willing to solve gus? 16:53:57 <ggus> many relay operators compile their own tor daemon, so i don't think it should be in devs portal 16:54:15 <ggus> so i'd go with (a) for now 16:54:16 <antonela> that is why we have the tor source code at the download page as well 16:54:25 <antonela> i wouldn't 16:54:30 <antonela> because the main downloable here is Tor Browser 16:55:49 <antonela> what is the problem with "Download Tor Source Code" 16:56:01 * antonela besides the caps 16:56:08 <ggus> win32 is a binary 16:56:35 <ggus> and users are sending email to frontdesk about this windows binary 16:57:00 <antonela> great, so will should find a better place for win32 but you were worried about the relay operators willing to compile their tor daemon 16:57:29 <antonela> s/will/we 16:57:53 <ggus> worried that we should not remove little-t-tor source code from download page 16:58:11 <antonela> the label or the downloable? 16:58:36 <ggus> we should not label this: Download Tor Source Code 16:58:43 <ggus> if we are appedning windows binary 16:59:06 <antonela> and do you think alternative downloads is a useful label for relay operators looking for Tor source code? 16:59:17 <arma2> ggus: i had been pondering the name 'Advanced' rather than specifying what exactly it is 16:59:28 <ggus> a,b,c would be better 17:00:03 <antonela> b and c don't contemplate the win bundle, tho 17:00:18 <antonela> arma2: "Advanced Tor? 17:00:27 <antonela> "Advanced Tor" or? 17:00:57 <arma2> nope, just an indication that it's for things that only advanced users would be interested in 17:01:13 <antonela> ok 17:01:19 <arma2> 'alternate options' or something is not a crazy idea either 17:01:32 <antonela> i'll comment on that ticket, again, and we can continue talking about it 17:01:34 <antonela> sounds good? 17:01:35 <arma2> i agree that calling it source code, and hiding a windows binary in it, is something that should be fixed somehow 17:02:04 <antonela> and we also agreed a while ago that it is not a priority if we can point windows binary interested people to that link too 17:02:40 <arma2> 'other options', 'advanced options' 17:02:45 <antonela> wfm 17:02:46 <ggus> the only thing is the label, having it together is fine 17:06:59 <antonela> cool 17:07:02 <antonela> what else folks? 17:07:14 <ggus> i'm good! 17:07:24 <antonela> good, thanks all! 17:07:29 <antonela> #endmeeting