15:00:38 <karsten> #startmeeting metrics team 15:00:38 <MeetBot> Meeting started Thu Mar 12 15:00:38 2020 UTC. The chair is karsten. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:38 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:45 <dennis_jackson> o/ 15:00:50 <karsten> hi! 15:01:02 <karsten> please add more agenda items to the pad. 15:01:09 <karsten> https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-metricsteam-2020.1-keep 15:02:33 <irl> i am about to be gone for a week, i have no topics 15:02:55 <karsten> okay. 15:03:49 <karsten> then let's start with the topic we have: 15:03:51 <dennis_jackson> I am under the weather, but working away on tor metre. Nothing to feedback in terms of results (yet) 15:03:52 <gaba> I was going to add onionperf but we are doing the roadmap beginning of april so we will answer the question then. 15:04:20 <karsten> dennis_jackson: should we add it to the agenda anyway, for a quick update? 15:04:27 <karsten> gaba: okay. 15:05:03 <karsten> dennis_jackson: if not, we can add it to one of the next meetings. 15:05:30 <dennis_jackson> In a future meeting perhaps 15:05:36 <karsten> okay. 15:05:45 <karsten> Time tracking (karsten) 15:05:49 <dennis_jackson> I'm neck deep in ORM / orchestration code at the moment. Nothing interesting. 15:06:24 <karsten> when I wrote my self feedback last week I wrote that I'm bad at estimating tasks or even recording time spent on a task. 15:06:30 <karsten> then I realized I can fix that! 15:06:53 <karsten> I created a spreadsheet where I noted down minutes worked on a given ticket or task. 15:07:08 <karsten> I summed up those minutes, converted them to points, and put them on the pad. 15:07:18 <karsten> this is from last thursday to yesterday. 15:08:09 <karsten> I wanted to hear what you think about doing this in the team. 15:08:12 <gaba> and you are adding the points to each ticket you are completing, right? 15:08:32 <gaba> I think it could be very useful to do it for a month. Maybe in the next sprint cycle in March? 15:08:39 <gaba> and get a better idea about estimation on tasks 15:08:45 <karsten> gaba: starting to do it, yes. it's more difficult for tickets that I worked on before noting down time. but that problem will fix itself over time. 15:08:52 <irl> i definitely think this is a good idea 15:09:09 <karsten> gaba: you mean aggregate by month, not by week? 15:09:20 <gaba> by week is fine 15:09:31 <irl> i noted that i don't really know what i've done after i've done it, i had to dig back through meeting logs and trac tickets to figure out when things happened 15:09:32 <gaba> and I have to say that everybody is bad at estimating. It is very hard to estimate tasks 15:10:04 <karsten> by week gives me a sense of whether a week was good or bad. it also gives out quite a bit of detail of my professional life. 15:10:23 <karsten> irl: I know what you mean. 15:10:47 <karsten> irl: what's your preference re: weekly or monthly? 15:11:31 <irl> i think weekly is good, i'm using org-journal now to capture things as they happen, then i can distill it later and weekly seems like a good frequency for distilling it 15:11:56 <karsten> okay. 15:12:00 <irl> when i'm closing bugs i can also pull out the actual points when i close the bug 15:12:05 <karsten> and shall we share these stats at our weekly meetings? 15:12:20 <irl> yes, on the pad before the meeting 15:12:36 <karsten> sounds good! 15:12:38 <irl> i think the day of the meeting's stats should go in the next meeting if that makes sense 15:12:46 <irl> to avoid having to report on the day that we're still inside 15:12:47 <karsten> yes, that was also my plan. 15:12:50 <irl> cool 15:12:54 <karsten> thu--wed 15:13:18 <irl> i feel good about this, it is going to be helpful 15:13:33 <karsten> great! 15:13:40 <irl> i hope it is not too hard to turn it into a habit 15:13:56 <karsten> ah, and I left out answering emails, attending meetings, etc. 15:14:21 <irl> it might be helpful to include those, for capacity planning purposes 15:14:26 <irl> we're always guessing 15:15:12 <gaba> you can add those in like 'other' 15:15:16 <irl> yeah 15:15:18 <gaba> if you don't want to disclose specifics 15:15:19 <karsten> hmm, maybe. okay, let's include that. we're experimenting here anyway and can fine-tune things as we go. 15:15:25 <karsten> yes, other sounds good. 15:15:47 <karsten> okay, that's all on this topic from me. 15:16:15 <irl> related to feedback, i'm now done with feedback 15:16:19 <karsten> yay! 15:17:08 <karsten> next step is to do summaries by apr 3, right? 15:17:20 <irl> i believe so 15:17:45 <gaba> irl: about exitscanner we are almost done, right? only documentation 15:17:54 <karsten> we can pick a sooner date than that. it's just a single summary for me anyway. 15:18:09 <irl> for the exit scanner, we still need documentation and monitoring 15:18:16 <karsten> oh, exit scanner. 15:18:29 <gaba> we can close #33510 as it is done? 15:18:38 <karsten> 2020-03-12 12:02:00,089 WARN o.t.m.c.e.ExitListDownloader:126 The last reported scan in the downloaded exit list took place at 2020-03-12 02:16:58, which is more than 5:30 hours in the past. 15:18:56 <irl> err 15:18:59 <karsten> do you have time to look into that after the meeting? 15:18:59 * gaba looking for the monitoring ticket 15:19:10 <karsten> just noticed 10 minutes before the meeting. 15:19:19 <karsten> I can help look into it. 15:19:56 <irl> Active: active (running) since Thu 2020-03-05 13:33:17 UTC; 1 weeks 0 days ago 15:20:00 <irl> it says it is working 15:20:12 <karsten> maybe an issue with collector not getting the data. 15:20:41 <karsten> feel free to respond to gaba about tickets first. 15:21:06 <irl> #33510 is done, https://blog.torproject.org/changes-tor-exit-list-service 15:21:58 <irl> karsten: i think you found a bug 15:23:11 <irl> nope, actually i have no idea 15:23:24 <karsten> let's discuss this after the meeting. 15:23:35 <irl> ok 15:23:40 <karsten> anything else for today? 15:23:45 <irl> not from me 15:23:57 <dennis_jackson> not from me 15:24:10 <karsten> dennis_jackson: hope you're feeling better soon! 15:24:18 <dennis_jackson> thanks karsten! 15:24:33 <gaba> not here 15:24:47 <karsten> okay, thanks, everyone! see you next week. bye! o/ 15:24:52 <dennis_jackson> o/ 15:25:04 <karsten> #endmeeting