17:00:26 #startmeeting June 8th 17:00:26 Meeting started Mon Jun 8 17:00:26 2020 UTC. The chair is gaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:32 pad in http://kfahv6wfkbezjyg4r6mlhpmieydbebr5vkok5r34ya464gqz6c44bnyd.onion/p/tor-netteam-2020.1-keep 17:01:22 fancy with onion 17:01:27 asn: ping? 17:01:34 is holiday in greece today 17:01:36 now i get automatic change :P 17:01:37 ah 17:01:40 oh i didn't realise there was an onion for that 17:01:42 enjoy your holiday asn 17:01:42 gaba: :-D yep 17:01:53 do we know if dgoulet can make it? 17:02:20 please take time to update the statuses on the pad 17:02:39 ahead of you on that 17:02:50 I try to do that before the meeting; does anybody need more time? 17:03:00 had no "planned" for last week but i did fill in what i ended up doing 17:03:21 doing it now 17:05:22 so, we probably won't have new reviewer assignments today, since asn and dgoulet are both out 17:05:46 if you need something reviewed urgently, though, just ask on IRC 17:05:46 re #32888 should i split up the ticket into ipv6? 17:06:02 i can do that 17:06:11 Caitlin: whatever you prefer there; sorry for premature merge 17:06:13 i was just going to keep the current one opened since it had the details 17:06:15 Caitlin: if you are doing that ticket change the ownership, otherwise if it is just a part of it you can create a ticket 17:06:21 alright 17:06:26 you can put it as a child 17:06:32 thanks! 17:06:44 yeah that might work better, that way i could have the new PR tied with the specific issue 17:07:26 about reviews, we still have a bunch of reviews assinged. and yes, we will not have those 3 tickets taht needs reviews assigned today 17:07:50 nickm: you want to talk about 0.4.4 ? 17:08:16 huh, actually all three of those tickets are mine 17:08:31 if anybody wants, have a look at any of these: I think they are all small and correct 17:08:34 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/query?status=needs_review&reviewer=&component=%5ECore+Tor%2FTor&max=300&col=id&col=summary&col=reviewer&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&report=82&order=reviewer 17:08:38 gaba: sure. 17:09:01 044 is scheduled to enter feature-freeze in 7 days. I don't know a reason to postpone that right now, but people should let me know asap if they think we should 17:09:15 I'll plan to put out an 0.4.4.1-alpha next week unless there are blockers 17:09:42 I am thinking about forking 045 early for S55 stuff, but I'd like to know what the whole team thinks of that 17:09:42 sounds good 17:10:12 this is a good week to work on any 044-should/must/can features, realizing that delaying for 045 is always safer 17:10:41 and to plan to do only 044-should/must/can bugs for a bit 17:10:44 s/only/mostly/ 17:11:02 ahf: this sound plausible to you? and what do you think about an early 045 fork? 17:11:04 i'll glance at 044-must to get an idea what's going on 17:11:14 there are 2 tickets in 044 that have no owner and are parked as priority high. are those important? 17:11:24 here's our status page, which is currently WIP. https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/teams/NetworkTeam/CoreTorReleases/044Status 17:11:27 #32564 17:11:34 and #33469 17:11:45 oh i guess none for -must 17:12:13 gaba: Those are both "I don't know if this is happening much and I don't know what's happening". 17:12:20 looking at 044 status page 17:13:08 removing #32564 from the milestone; it's needs-info and stalled 17:13:11 nickm: sounds plausible, yeah 17:13:25 i think it sounds like a good plan actually 17:13:29 (my not just dropped out) 17:14:17 not? 17:14:40 "net" probably? 17:14:45 i was thinking that too 17:15:01 net, yes 17:15:13 gaba: also putting 33469 into unspecified: as far as we know it only affects ancient windows 17:15:22 ok 17:16:49 let's move on then. unless there is something else on 044 17:17:24 * ahf good 17:17:42 i had something to bring about the project after IPv6 s55 but it would be good to have dgoulet and asn here for that 17:17:58 i will talk with them about it and if it makes sense we chat next week 17:18:44 re #32888 there are still things for both ipv4 and ipv6 and i think it's cleaner just to reassign this issue to me than try to dissect the relevant parts of the ticket into a child 17:18:48 so i will do that 17:18:50 gaba as a reminder the ARIN grant is due june 10, wednesday 17:18:53 ahf, caitlin: so you know is about what project is needed after https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/sponsors/Sponsor55 17:19:02 alsmith: thanks :) 17:19:13 ok 17:19:18 say again gaba? 17:19:35 gaba's wondering, "like, what should we seek ipv6 funding for after S55 is done" 17:19:39 I think 17:19:40 oh 17:19:45 gaba: is that right? 17:19:47 yes, thanks nickm 17:19:47 uh, i don't know :o 17:20:10 s55 focuses on ipv6 as far as relays are concerned, correct? 17:20:11 i am pretty clueless on IPv6. teor's analysis was what i went with, but i don't know what is after that 17:20:19 so i'm assuming next steps would be for bridges and clients 17:20:36 which seem like relays will need extensive testing and adoption first which might take a bit 17:20:47 i know this isn't immediately relevant but i want to get a broader picture anyway 17:21:36 yes, it may makes sense to wait a little and not apply for a next project right away 17:22:13 i probably won't leave right away after my internship is done either 17:22:19 i am actually interested in the progress of this goal 17:22:27 awesome 17:23:08 i do need to pay some mind both to IRL and personal projects but yeah i'll try to poke in and help where i can 17:23:27 great 17:23:43 as for immediate concerns, i think i have my week lined up 17:23:46 anything else i should be aware of? 17:23:52 nickm, alsmith: let's talk later today about this specific grant application. 17:24:07 no, I think that is it 17:24:10 cool 17:24:20 ok i am free at any time after this 17:24:22 The next item in the discussion part of the pad is this holy migration :) 17:24:25 i mentioned concerns with onion.torproject.org in #tor-dev as well 17:24:34 i can open tickets on that if it's relevant on trac 17:25:23 caitlin: openning tickets is good as we can follow up the discussion and document it 17:25:41 what component, "internal services"? 17:26:16 that or "website" 17:26:20 ok 17:26:22 yep 17:26:29 well it says "webpages" i assume that's the one 17:26:29 ahf: do you want to talk about migration here? 17:26:47 sure, i don't have much to add here. there is a big email being written right now that will come out soon 17:26:50 with a ton of info 17:27:03 and we are experimenting most of this week with the migration process to make sure things are ready for the weekend 17:27:04 oh webpages/website gotcha 17:27:07 sorry i'm slow :p 17:27:39 there will be a thread on internal where we request some help with finding problems, please help out there 17:27:44 that i think is the most important thing for this week 17:28:00 as if we move next week and find out an issue in 4 weeks then the decision tree is sad 17:28:35 eh? webpages/website does not show up for me 17:28:37 qq wrt trac/gitlab migration: 17:29:00 #34396 i'll let someone else figure that out 17:29:08 where do the repos live after the migration? 17:29:41 all Tor repos will be under https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo 17:30:12 Do the git.torporject.org and gitweb.tpo urls keep working? 17:30:14 (this is after we split tickets that ended up in legacy and move them to the right place) 17:30:19 ahhhh, the repos. sorry 17:30:22 nickm: the repos will be moved after tuesday, with automatic syncing, on the tpo org on gitlab. git.torproject.org will continue to work as will gitweb.torproject.org 17:30:25 is git.tpo still canonical? 17:30:27 yes 17:30:38 if you want it to! that is, i think for tor.git, we want that. 17:30:42 ok 17:30:55 some smaller projects and all the user/* projects on git.tpo we probably want them to move over to gitlab soon. 17:31:12 fine with me to let each project choose 17:31:28 when is the public announcement? 17:31:37 and would you like any help with it? 17:31:42 i am fixing danglish right now. you wanna proof read it? 17:31:49 sure! 17:31:58 gonna PM you a pad in a bit, just writing the last part now 17:32:18 ok, i'll have it proofed within a little while after this meeting, if you'll be around 17:32:45 this is the mail we will send to internal 17:32:51 we sill do not have a public announcement 17:32:51 oh 17:32:58 nickm: it would be great if you can/want to work on it 17:33:01 it's the public one I want to make sure we get right 17:33:06 ok 17:33:15 we need to put it out asap; only 4 days of notice is already too short IMO 17:33:26 #34397 too 17:33:31 we can start drafting it in a pad 17:33:36 low priority compared to the gitlab migration i'm sure 17:33:39 nickm: are you in the admin channel? 17:33:41 but just so you are aware 17:33:54 ahf: I think so, but I mainly ignore it 17:34:03 I can pay attention if you want 17:34:24 Cailtin: thanks 17:34:41 i just highlighted the two important pieces for you in there 17:34:52 Caitlin: good catches! 17:35:39 i caught it quickly because i block third-party browser requests by default 17:35:44 and a non-onion caught my eye 17:35:45 so no problem 17:36:09 also "we" should move ALL of those to v3 onions in our Copious Spare Time, but I think there's already a ticket for that 17:36:17 (I say "we" because I don't maintain web stuff :/) 17:36:23 i'll try to dig up the ticket because i'm interested in tracking progress 17:36:37 ok. anything else for today? 17:36:43 * ahf good 17:37:00 i might seem a bit stressed this week, please let me know if there is something you need from me 17:37:31 #32824 seems it 17:37:33 correct? 17:37:49 I think so 17:38:14 ok. I'm going to close the meeting 17:38:18 we can continue in #tor-dev 17:38:20 sounds good 17:38:23 if needed 17:38:26 #endmeeting