17:00:17 #startmeeting Network June 15th 17:00:17 Meeting started Mon Jun 15 17:00:17 2020 UTC. The chair is gaba. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00:21 nice Caitlin ! 17:00:38 pad is in https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-netteam-2020.1-keep 17:00:53 mostly i'm waiting on input about stuff, i sent a few emails out to tor-dev@ whenever others get a chance to check that 17:01:08 i'll continue to poke for things to do and clean up meanwhile 17:02:11 sounds good 17:02:19 so, i guess the big thing is migrating from trac to gitlab, but other than that what is everyone else focused on immediately 17:02:26 should we start? do we have dgoulet around today? 17:02:58 Caitlin: I see two question on tor-dev@: ""reproducing #33598" and "#3288: IPv6 and 'address' option" is there anything else? 17:02:58 caitlin: yes, this weeks seems like a lot of checking on the new setup with gitlab 17:03:06 *#32888 17:03:36 been doing network team work and PoW proposal 17:03:46 on the network team work, with mike we are fixing the last padding bugs that are still open 17:03:59 nickm: for now that is all i wrote 17:04:04 on the PoW proposal front I'm replying on the recent posts, and wokring with dgoulet to start writing the scheduler part of the proposal 17:04:45 gaba: sure, it's time to start. Want me to run the meeting? 17:04:54 o/ 17:04:56 yes please 17:04:58 is there anything someone wants me to check up on? i've seen a few tickets marked needs_revision and am willing to check them out but i don't want to step on any toes 17:05:05 \o 17:05:14 let's start with reviews 17:05:18 ok 17:05:20 nickm: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. 17:05:27 hehe 17:05:30 i already started :) 17:05:44 Caitlin: I'll add that to discussion 17:06:41 ok 17:07:17 reviews look okay to me 17:07:30 yeah 17:07:32 yeah i just think it'd be more efficient for others to tell me what to do so i don't spend too much time hunting on things that others are already handling. especially with trac in readonly state it's hard to see who has claim on tickets 17:07:42 yeah i put the reviews on the announcement part fo the pad 17:07:45 will put them on gitlab tomorrow 17:07:49 after i figure out the new review workflow 17:07:55 probs using labels 17:08:03 almost surely using labels 17:08:30 yeah, until we use pull requests there, then labels is one options, then i think boards is the next steps before we use PR's 17:08:48 caitlin: we will create a user for you in gitlab if you dont have one already 17:08:57 i created one for them 17:08:59 it's 'c' 17:09:00 ok 17:09:04 i'll try to log in afterward 17:09:05 but is missing their email address i believe 17:09:10 we can solve that after the meeting 17:09:18 i see nickm is focusing on chutney work this week? 17:09:31 asn: there is a 'review' label at TPI level. That can be used and we need to shape anything else for the new process 17:09:47 i can tag along on that to see where help is needed 17:10:00 i see a note "who will look at chutney" so let's make that easy :P 17:10:15 I'm going to get a few chutney things together, but i'm mostly thinking about s55 17:10:36 Right now I'm trying to do the bare minimum to get #34447 together 17:10:53 so I can do real reachability testing, which was blocked by #34446 17:11:14 oh right isn't there talk about splitting up AssumeReachable? 17:11:36 #34445 17:11:36 next topic in the pad is 0.4.4 that is going into feature freeze today? 17:11:44 caitlin: and #34448 as followup 17:11:50 ok 17:11:54 gaba: that's right. No more features in 0.4.4 :) 17:11:59 :) 17:12:02 yeah i glanced at those 17:12:22 so we can figure that out if that sounds fine nickm 17:12:40 sounds good to me; want to talk after the meeting? 17:12:56 yeah we can 17:13:21 ahf, dgoulet, asn: I assigned most of the tickets remaining in 044-should and 044-can to somebody. Let's try to get those done on the soon side, so we can put out a stable 044 and focus on 045 17:13:22 bit hectic today but i probably can discuss it quickly so we are on the same page 17:13:25 Caitlin: great 17:13:26 ok 17:13:53 *nods* 17:13:54 oh i was cc'd on that issue, no wonder i saw it :p 17:14:00 yeah then that's the plan 17:14:03 nickm: agree 17:14:29 nickm: when you branch out 044 for freeze, can you also add the missing alpha-dev tag ? 17:14:34 it's already branched 17:14:40 the one for 043, you mean? 17:14:48 no 044 has no alpha-dev 17:14:56 044 has _no_ tag at the moment 17:15:05 nickm: err sorry I meant first 044 alpha 17:15:13 oh, sure, when there's the first alpha. 17:15:19 nickm: (== branch out) 17:15:21 I'll try to add the other tag too, thanks 17:15:26 awsome thanks 17:15:38 are we ready to move on to discussion? 17:15:48 yes 17:16:13 yes 17:16:23 first topic is: "we need somebody to take over the fallback list" 17:16:40 i know that teor had done some knowledge transfer there. Do we remember with whom? (It wasn't me) 17:16:48 iirc GeKo ? 17:17:02 in an attempt to transfer that to health team 17:17:24 sorry, what is fallback list here? 17:17:31 hm, that would be neat. we should find out if GeKo is going to be building a new list 17:17:37 It's a list of relays that ships with tor 17:17:40 ah 17:17:45 bootstrapping essentially? 17:17:54 yeah. it's used to contact for your first directory, so you don't have to go straight to the authorities 17:18:01 alright, now i know the name of it 17:18:10 previously only the authorities were hardwired, and they used a huge amount of their BW helping clients bootstrap for the first time 17:18:14 ahh 17:18:37 that makes sense, especially with amnesic tor configurations on top of that 17:19:05 nickm: I made a note to ask GeKo 17:19:22 dgoulet: thank you 17:19:50 next is "who will look at chutney besides nickm". That can be caitlin for now but we it will be neat if we have one more person 17:20:01 basically I need somebody to review my patches for now 17:20:07 i have some feelings with it, i can review things there 17:20:45 I can help as well as a "third" if need be, I've done fair bit of chutney hack 17:20:52 yep same here 17:20:57 perhaps chutney can just go into the review queue 17:21:02 "testing suite" and "hack" don't go well together ;) 17:21:02 sounds fine by me 17:21:13 asn: ah good idea 17:21:15 i will make the appropriate gitlab filters 17:21:31 so that i also consider chutney tickets if they are not already assigned 17:21:54 sounds good 17:22:18 next q is gitlab questions -- those are mainly links? 17:22:27 what should we discuss there? 17:22:28 :-) 17:22:45 just checking if anybody has any questionn, give status update, etc 17:23:02 if not then we can move on 17:23:02 i have a questoin for the team 17:23:11 i tried to look at what wiki pages we have 17:23:28 if everybody is cool with it, i want to move them, pretty them up, and attach them to tpo/core/tor's wiki if everybody is OK with that 17:23:35 i don't need help, i just want an OK to be allowed to do that 17:23:51 https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/teams/NetworkTeam 17:23:52 ahf ^ ? 17:23:59 sounds fine with me 17:23:59 no, more than that 17:24:09 https://pad.riseup.net/p/HO_HtsKImlqE9oxYTaiR 17:24:40 ahf: right everything in NetworkTeam/ and some other things 17:24:58 ahf: thing is that there are pages that are a bit pointless now like "Filling a Ticket" ;) 17:25:08 ahf: but if you want to migrate and then we can cleanup, fine by me 17:25:14 sure, i want to copy it over and then we can remove things 17:25:18 wrt the wiki I say "let's be brave" 17:25:18 sounds good 17:25:28 yes, i think we will have a lot to clean up 17:25:34 all teams will be asked to clean up 17:25:38 but i can do it for us 17:26:16 "be bold" is a good approach to wikis since they're revision controlled anyway 17:26:22 cool, have you *all* tried a few tickets now after the migration happened in the weekend? 17:26:33 on gitlab side? no 17:26:34 one feedback we have gotten is that label queries are slow, we are looking at trimming the N of labels we have 17:26:36 I've looked around a little 17:26:45 nickm: does things look OK? 17:27:00 I did looked at all my tickets and they are all there 17:27:01 I think so? I bet we'll want to make some changes when we're getting used to it 17:27:04 matches Trac query 17:27:13 thank you, you two! 17:27:30 i'll try gitlab first thing after this meeting 17:27:31 i hope before you get in tomorrow there will be an email about using gitlab or trac 17:27:33 then talk with nickm 17:27:35 Caitlin: i can help you 17:27:44 is the plan that we go live with gitlab tomorrow? 17:27:50 nickm: i hope so, yes 17:27:55 unless we find a disaster 17:28:32 if any of you find a disaster please reach out before tonight :) 17:28:37 so far so good for me 17:29:29 so there is a world where we might want to all sync together tomorrow (or this week) about our Gitlab workflow and all ? 17:29:58 ok. last question is about what Caitlin should do next 17:29:59 i think a day or two with just using it and then maybe sync on thursday? 17:30:03 im gonna be online until about this time or one hour before this time. 17:30:07 Caitlin: should we cover that post-meeting? 17:30:07 ahf: great idea 17:30:17 ahf: +1 17:30:30 generally I think it's fine to take over any needs_revision stuff that has been not getting revised in a while. It's nice to announce your intention to do so 17:30:48 you can always ask if it's okay if you see something you'd like to try 17:30:52 nickm: yeah 17:31:07 alright i'll follow-up on tor-dev@ if that sounds fine 17:31:12 with any tickets that catch my eye 17:31:17 sounds good! 17:31:19 ok 17:31:33 do we have any other stuff for today or should we call the meeting done? 17:31:39 done for me 17:31:53 btw, v2 deprecation timeline is on tor-dev@ 17:31:57 i will talk afterward as i said, but i might lag behind in my responses. not feeling well today 17:31:59 that is all 17:32:03 dgoulet: do you need help ramping up on S55 O1.2? I know gaba will be happier once we have better plans there :) 17:32:06 v2? hsv2? 17:32:08 Caitlin: ok, that's fine 17:32:11 dgoulet: nice 17:32:14 dgoulet: woo 17:32:16 nickm: no it is fine I think 17:32:23 nickm: I'm getting on it this afternoon 17:32:33 dgoulet: great, but feel free to ping me if/when you need a rubber duck 17:32:33 nickm: just will hold on trac/gitlab updates :P 17:32:37 nickm: for sure 17:32:40 dgoulet: you have message-id for that thread? my mail isn't open now but i want to follow that 17:33:06 Caitlin: Message-ID: <20200615163417.g4wbevnf5hyy3xwb@raoul> 17:33:10 thank you 17:34:14 gaba: ready to end meeting now? 17:35:00 #endmeeting 17:35:07 please prod me with gitlab issue the next few hours if you find any. expect the client side speed to get better when we get rid of all the extra labels 17:35:10 gaba: apparently only gaba can end the meeting :) 17:35:20 yes 17:35:23 #endmeeting