17:58:39 #startmeeting Tor Browser Meeting 24 August 2020 17:58:39 Meeting started Mon Aug 24 17:58:39 2020 UTC. The chair is sysrqb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:58:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:58:47 hello, hello! 17:58:48 hi 17:58:55 hello! 17:59:07 o/ 17:59:25 hi! 17:59:47 this is the time and place, and https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-tbb-2020-keep is the pad 18:00:07 mikeperry: i hope you had a good/relaxing break 18:00:10 welcome back 18:07:28 okayyy 18:09:24 mikeperry: can you also look at gecko/proxy-safety for FF79-81? 18:09:37 * Jeremy_Rand_Talos is here, sorry I'm late today 18:09:44 no worries 18:09:52 JewI haven't ready your email yet, but I'll read it later today 18:10:02 err, Jeremy_Rand_Talos ^ 18:10:06 sysrqb: is that for the mobile side? 18:10:43 mikeperry: yeah, for geckoview, but covering all of gecko will help us overall 18:10:57 well, for everything that affects mobile 18:11:13 which is i suspect almost everything :) 18:11:28 (that is, not just the java parts) 18:12:02 right :) 18:12:59 I think we're going to need another approach. that's why I am gonna dig into the binaries for a bit 18:13:19 it is too time consuming to regrep for all of these changes on rapid release 18:13:48 oh, right, i forgot we talked about that last time 18:13:51 how close are we to nightly/alpha fenix builds? 18:14:05 i would like nightlies starting next week 18:14:20 and we'll probably prep the first alpha a week or two after that 18:14:27 (but, really, asap) 18:14:59 how much time do you think you'll ned to looking at the object files? 18:15:13 or resulting binary 18:17:37 I don't know for sure.. 18:18:47 okay, can we put a cap on it, and fallback on the manual review if you don't figure it out? 18:19:04 like, by thursday? 18:19:05 basically my thinking is to see if we can insert a stub library or object file with wrapped network calls or something like that.. but that still won't get external apps/desktop calls/candroid apis 18:20:58 i'd like some confidence that something dangerous didn't land after 78 18:21:00 when the network perf and scalability work starts up, I won't have time for continued review.. so basically its hail mary to figure out some hack plan before that starts -- which is ~September/Oct 18:21:13 right 18:22:01 can you at least try to get a handle on how difficult this will be by thursday? 18:22:34 and then we can discuss when whether it's worth continuing on it or switching to manual review? 18:22:46 s/when whether/whether/ 18:22:54 why thursday? 18:23:22 it's as good a day as any 18:23:34 and then you have Friday for working on whatever we decide 18:24:22 does that seem like not enough time? 18:28:07 alrighty, in any case. we'll see. 18:28:39 I added one discussion point 18:29:37 antonela: TB 10 doesn't have many new features like 9.5, and 10.0 will have the EOY theme 18:29:50 right 18:29:54 but should we plan (with comms) a press release? 18:30:00 for getting more attention? 18:30:14 i think, yes 18:30:38 okay, can you talk with that team? or should i start that discussion? 18:30:51 i know you have a lot on your plate 18:30:56 I can do it at comms 18:31:00 thanks 18:31:18 could you remind me the dates? 18:31:21 only one month away :/ 18:31:32 https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar 18:31:46 i know, but we will have eoy campaign set for then, yes? 18:31:57 * antonela has been working on that :) 18:31:58 we need EOY strings by Sept 8 18:32:01 si 18:32:06 why 10.0 18:32:12 and not say, 10.0.1? 18:32:27 good point, we can do it 18:32:28 for EOY? 18:32:31 yes 18:32:44 everything we can postpone after 10.0 18:32:44 we could, but then more release than strictly necessary 18:32:46 is a win for us 18:32:55 true 18:33:01 i bet we want to do a 10.0.1 anyway 18:33:24 or at least we can find something that would be worth fixing in a 10.0.1 release 18:33:33 i have sept 8 in a post it here, so if you want to release it after, is groot (we will provide anyways) 18:34:10 antonela: sounds good 18:34:30 might be worth to get that idea to the comms folks 18:34:33 a 10.0.1 would be (approximately) one week after 10.0 18:34:37 so they are aware of that option 18:34:45 something like that, yes 18:34:47 so having EOY strings by Sept 8 is still good timing 18:34:51 i'll bring this at comms and also start with a pad to list what we will have (at the end of this week, probably after privchat) 18:34:57 sweet 18:34:58 thanks folks! 18:35:02 thanks 18:35:34 +1 18:35:55 i don't have anything else for this meeting 18:35:58 the other thing to consider is that 10.0 will likely get more attention than 10.0.1 18:36:12 i'll chat with ahf about whether he has any time for working on browser things during this week 18:36:22 however, i am not sure if that much more attention that early in the campaign is important 18:36:36 GeKo: right, could be. 18:36:54 i was imagining that was one benefit of using a press release and including the EOY campaign 18:37:02 might be interesting whether data from previous years can back this up or not 18:37:05 yeah, but we dont have too much features at this time, unless https in high sec mode is a fact, lets see, i'll ask comms what they think -- i want to list what we will be releasing to make that decision 18:37:26 nah, we won't get https-only mode in 10 18:37:29 *10.0 18:37:34 so, not many features 18:37:35 groot 18:37:38 mostly 78esr and fenix 18:37:52 fenix could be anice highlight, though 18:37:57 if it's in good shape 18:38:03 *a nice 18:38:05 right 18:38:11 lets see 18:38:14 we have the option 18:38:16 yeah 18:39:08 okay, we can see how this progresses and evaluate our options over the next couple weeks 18:39:27 anything else for this meeting? 18:40:08 not from my side 18:40:10 * sysrqb hears nothing 18:40:17 okay, thanks everyone 18:40:21 thanks! 18:40:23 have a good week 18:40:25 #endmeeting