16:58:43 <ahf> #startmeeting network team meeting, 8th of february 2021 16:58:43 <MeetBot> Meeting started Mon Feb 8 16:58:43 2021 UTC. The chair is ahf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:58:43 <MeetBot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:58:53 <nickm> hihi 16:58:56 <ahf> Hello everybody 16:58:58 <ahf> let me find the pad 16:59:08 <ahf> https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-netteam-2021.1-keep 16:59:09 <ahf> there 16:59:43 <asn> hey hey 16:59:53 <ahf> yo asn 17:00:04 <ahf> do we have dgoulet in the house? 17:00:27 <ahf> how are we all doing with our boards? https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/core/-/boards 17:00:44 * asn updating mine 17:00:50 <dgoulet> yes 17:01:04 <nickm> I think we need to add tickets for some of the stuff that we talked about on Thursday. 17:01:09 <nickm> not sure if now is the time or we should do it later 17:01:41 <ahf> my brain is so high in context switches right now that i have no memory of what we talked about thursday without looking at my notes from there 17:02:01 <ahf> ah, from the gaba planning for the next period and the pad we made? 17:02:04 <nickm> yeah 17:02:15 <ahf> maybe we should do that on thursday unless there are some of it that has to begin now? 17:02:37 <nickm> ok. or everybody can do their part after the meeting, and we can mop up on thursday? 17:02:50 <ahf> sounds good 17:03:19 <ahf> ok! 17:03:39 <ahf> i need to make a ticket to the etherpad people on handling URL's with [] in 17:03:48 <ahf> are we OK with MR assignment? 17:03:53 <asn> i assigned today early 17:03:58 <asn> not sure if anything else has spawned since then 17:04:12 * asn looks 17:04:15 <ahf> and in that context: did we decide on how to handle "needs revision" state now? is it with the label or did we find a smarter way? 17:04:21 <asn> ah yes two things 17:04:21 <nickm> i have two more i just made for 045 17:04:34 <asn> yeah those two 17:04:52 <asn> ok taking both. i seem to have the smallest review list atm. 17:04:59 <nickm> thanks! 17:05:11 <nickm> i'm okay with needs_revision if people actually see it :) 17:05:20 <asn> ahf: hmmm 17:05:24 <asn> good question 17:05:30 <nickm> tor!281 and tor!273 are the needs_revision ones I'm reviewing 17:05:30 <ahf> how does folks prefer this? the reviewer field changed this quite a bit 17:05:35 <asn> yeah... 17:05:50 <asn> one approach with big overhead is: 17:06:06 <asn> - when we assign reviews, we remove the previous assigned person and add a reviewer 17:06:15 <asn> - when reviewer wants to request revision. they add back assigned person 17:06:28 <asn> so being assigned to a ticket means you have leftover work there 17:06:52 <asn> i dont really like it 17:06:53 <nickm> I'm okay with the current approach so far 17:06:53 <asn> but it's an idea 17:06:58 <asn> what's the current approach? 17:07:07 <ahf> i think assignee often makes very little sense now that we have reviewer though. we have the flashflow ticket from pastly where it might become that mike or me becomes the assignee on that, but usually the author == the assignee for ... what i would guess the majority of our MR's 17:07:15 <nickm> put needs_revision on stuff that needs revision; remove it when you update? 17:07:18 <asn> hm 17:07:42 <asn> that could work, but we would need a separate query to monitor needs_revision tickets 17:07:44 <dgoulet> I think the label is legit approach imo 17:07:51 <asn> my current workflow is centered around the todo list 17:08:18 <asn> not sure if adding the label would update the todo list 17:08:31 <dgoulet> it won't 17:08:32 <ahf> ok, the needs revision label it is 17:08:37 <ahf> it wont update todo 17:08:43 <asn> ok 17:08:43 <ahf> but it shows as a number icon in the top right corner 17:09:04 <dgoulet> looking at your MRs would be the thing to do including the Todo 17:09:08 <asn> right 17:09:08 <asn> ok 17:09:28 <ahf> ok! 17:09:30 <ahf> sounds like label it is 17:09:33 * ahf goes to next time 17:09:51 <ahf> no new 0.4.5 tickets 17:10:18 <ahf> ... and no discussion items 17:10:43 <ahf> that means unless anybody have anything we need to add now, then we transfer the mic to mike and then we talk s61 17:11:37 <dgoulet> so 17:12:02 <mikeperry> I keep getting distracted from conflux discussions and proposal by other things; hopefully that will change this week 17:12:12 <mikeperry> that is generally true of s61 last week, it feels like 17:12:15 <dgoulet> There is at least one ticket that is critical for 045 stable at themoment I can see 17:12:15 <ahf> dgoulet: did you want to add something or? 17:12:46 <dgoulet> we seems to have 12 tickets in 045-stable 17:12:53 <dgoulet> and no 045-post-stable milestone I think 17:13:04 <dgoulet> so out of those 12, I would like to nominate some for "MUST GO BEFORE STABLE" 17:13:14 <dgoulet> how do I do that? :) 17:13:50 <ahf> hm 17:14:15 <ahf> my connection to gitlab is quite slow today, going to the page 17:15:24 <ahf> hm, you are thinking of having another milestone for 0.4.5 ? wont that milestone just change meaning when the version is released as stable? 17:15:53 <dgoulet> no 17:16:02 <dgoulet> what we have usually is -stable and -post-stable no? 17:16:13 <ahf> i think we have a -freeze and a -stable ? 17:16:20 <dgoulet> Tor 0.4.5.x-post-stable 17:16:22 <dgoulet> that one exsits 17:16:23 <ahf> and they are months apart if you put them on a calendar 17:16:42 <dgoulet> which means that ANY ticket in -stable has to go in before we actually release 17:16:47 <dgoulet> and the rest should go in post-stable 17:16:48 <ahf> i don't see the x-post-stable ? 17:16:54 <dgoulet> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/tor/-/milestones 17:17:00 <dgoulet> it is right there 17:17:05 <ahf> i see oh! 17:17:08 <ahf> there is missing the : 17:17:24 <dgoulet> yup, lets add it 17:17:35 <ahf> created in december and never touched after 17:17:44 <dgoulet> anyway... I really think we have to do that work because I fear things will slip :S 17:17:51 <dgoulet> considering we are 7 days away from stable 17:17:53 <ahf> sure, nickm, are you fine with this? you usually have the overview when the releases are to be made? 17:18:16 <nickm> sure; no problem... 17:18:30 <nickm> though maybe some of this belongs in 046 instead of 045 at this point? Up to y'all. 17:19:24 <dgoulet> plausible 17:19:42 <ahf> maybe we should rate our own things and consider them for post-stable and 0.4.6? 17:19:49 <dgoulet> ok so we are in agreement that the -stable milestone MUST be empty at our release 17:20:00 <nickm> yup 17:20:59 <ahf> yes 17:21:03 <ahf> excellent 17:21:12 <ahf> dgoulet: that answered what you were looking for? 17:21:25 <dgoulet> yes 17:21:31 <ahf> ok, mikeperry you want to go? 17:21:40 <asn> i have one ticket of those 12; do you need me to help with any others that we think should go in stable? 17:22:27 <mikeperry> I think the main thing to check on is if asn has time/machines to do a 70% cutoff test of onion services for https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/tor/-/issues/40157, or if we should just yolo merge 17:22:44 <ahf> i am good, one issue i have is a bit of a mystery and the other one only affects old glibc's and a test case on musl. the latter i will get to this week as part of the CI work i think 17:23:00 <asn> mikeperry: yep i can do it 17:23:06 <mikeperry> nice, thanks 17:23:07 <asn> mikeperry: i have actually started doing it 17:23:11 <mikeperry> great 17:23:11 <asn> but i will have results tomorrow 17:23:52 <mikeperry> other than that I hope to have time to dig back into conflux proposal for objective 3 17:24:03 <mikeperry> juga,geko: anything from you? 17:24:11 <juga> not from me 17:24:24 <GeKo> we try to wrap all important things up in feb for sbws 17:24:46 <mikeperry> awesome 17:24:53 <GeKo> so that we can actually start planning to deploy sbws in march 17:24:58 <SomeHacker> what is this "meeting pad"? Is anyone (including abusers) allowed to edit it? 17:25:03 <GeKo> (or: start planning in march) 17:25:28 <ahf> SomeHacker: i mean... abusers should stay away from it ideally 17:25:36 <nickm> If somebody abuses it, we revert. If they're persistent, we roll our eyes and switch to something private. 17:26:17 <nickm> mostly people have better things to do 17:27:26 <mikeperry> ok I think that is all for s61 then 17:27:31 <ahf> awesome 17:27:35 <ahf> i think we are done with the meeting then? 17:27:38 <nickm> couple of quick reminders before we close: 17:27:42 <ahf> ok 17:28:19 <nickm> 1) Planned release date for 045 is in 1 week. Please try to get anything pending done and merged asap... or postponed 17:28:28 <ahf> *nods* 17:28:43 <nickm> 2) I forget what #2 was -- but everybody have a great week! 17:29:00 <ahf> sounds good, have a good week folks o/ 17:29:02 <ahf> #endmeeting