16:59:11 #startmeeting network team meeting, 8 march 2021 16:59:11 Meeting started Mon Mar 8 16:59:11 2021 UTC. The chair is nickm. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:59:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:59:20 o/ 16:59:21 ahf is out today so I'll drive the meeting? 16:59:23 o/ 16:59:54 https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-netteam-2021.1-keep is the pad 17:00:09 first up -- everybody happy with their kanbans? 17:00:27 so far so good 17:00:30 yep 17:01:08 great. same here. 17:01:21 Next is 0.4.5 and 0.4.6 17:02:09 Hm. "We have an 0.4.5.7-stable" milestone too. Should I move everything from it into 0.4.5.x-post-stable? I think I should. 17:03:15 ok 17:03:48 I'm going to the close 0.4.5.7-stable milestone if nobody minds ? 17:04:03 wait why? 17:04:13 isn't that milestone ... for the upcoming release? 17:04:35 if that's true then we should have it on our pad for 'things to look at' 17:04:50 but right now it has no open tickets, and all the tickets are in 0.4.5.x-post-stable 17:05:24 the original point of that milestone was to track must need for 045.7 and not loose anything important in the -post-stable one 17:05:32 ah 17:05:34 if it is empty it is good, we did our job 17:05:43 but should remain open until we actually release if anyting comes back... 17:05:59 hm. ok, but if so then next time we make one of these we should put it in our pad 17:06:04 sound ok? 17:06:07 np 17:06:26 any must-fix-for-0.4.5.7 stuff left in 0.4.5.x-post-stable? 17:06:53 I'm not seeing any blockers that aren't being dealt with... 17:07:06 not to my knowledge but I'm getting a whole lot of email from "cypherpunks" at the moment so could be some gems in there for 045.7 17:07:22 yeah, cohosh is going through our ticket approval queue 17:08:14 so we should all look at those post-meeting, I guess :) 17:08:24 0.4.6 also freezes in a week 17:08:37 any must-do things before 0.4.6.1-alpha comes out? 17:08:55 i have a prop#328 branch that i plan to post tomorrow 17:08:56 asn: is prop328 a possibility for 046 or not really your goal? 17:09:00 ah 17:09:02 if not the day after 17:09:07 it's not the full prop#328 17:09:14 but it's a decent subset 17:09:22 ok so 046 or not? :) 17:09:22 i think it's worth having parts of it early 17:09:25 yes 046 17:09:28 what is missing? 17:09:38 what's missing. ok 17:09:50 1) 90% CPU utilization detection 17:09:56 I have some reservations of two different implementations of prop328 being on the network at once.. I think I prefer trying to give branches to relays that saw overload during rob's experiment, so they can run any prototypes while he re-runs 17:09:57 2) Control port overload detection 17:10:11 request -- if there's something assigned to you that _will not happen_ for 0.4.6, please remove it from the milestone but make sure it's on your kanban? 17:11:00 3) Detecting a single DNS timeout. I detect when libevent reports a DNS timeout error, but I wouldn't know it if libevent had a single timeout and got through with the second try out of three 17:11:18 I think these 3 things are missing 17:11:25 MetricsPort? 17:11:28 totally missing 17:11:35 if we can get the remaining issues done before 046 deadline, then that's fine for 046.. but we probably should not merge something we expect to change in this case, because it is much harder to manage relays with different versions of this thing 17:11:35 i meant from the extra-info side 17:11:40 i see 17:11:53 my plan was to edit the proposal with which parts got to which version 17:12:29 the only thing i know how to do from the above is the DNS timeout. i can do that, but it's gonna be annoying. 17:12:38 i have no idea how to measure CPU utilization in a multi-platform way 17:12:47 and control port overload i still need to study 17:12:51 * nickm has created an 0.4.6.x-stable milestone and an 0.4.7.x-freeze milestone 17:13:32 mikeperry: so you think we should get that faster out by giving folks some branches instead of getting a subset into 0.4.6 now? 17:13:46 how would that work? 17:13:56 we would contact folks pointing to some code? 17:14:18 we have a full list of relays that had the perf issue. most of them are quintex guy 17:14:45 and if we see more in the next experiment, we can ask them, too 17:15:41 we could also version the overload line. that could work, too I guess 17:15:50 i can do that too 17:16:11 otherwise we are assuming that the overload metrics will *always* stay the same 17:16:14 i dont think that's true 17:16:19 yeah, good point 17:16:22 +1 17:16:41 ok sounds good. noted. 17:17:26 anybody have anything else for 0.4.6? Remember to move out tickets that won't happen before monday. 17:17:26 so if we'd get the versioning going i'd slightly prefer getting the stuff into 0.4.6 which we currently have 17:17:33 (if you can) 17:17:50 GeKo: yes will do 17:18:02 but i don't have a too strong opinion here 17:19:27 if there isn't something else on this, should we move on to announcements and discussions? 17:20:11 yep 17:20:25 the announcements this week are mostly about the freeze (next monday) and upcoming releases (next tuesday) 17:20:35 great 17:20:55 There's another announcement that we're about to get hit by DST, starting next Sunday in the US and two weeks after that in Europe. Beware! 17:21:33 I don't see any new discussion items. Anybody have something there? 17:21:47 i'm good! 17:21:53 If not it's time for s61 updates! 17:22:32 mikeperry / asn: any updates? 17:22:47 ok they are on the pad. we already discussed the overload proposal a bit. That also has a DNS timeout piece, and a shadow piece 17:23:18 https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/tor/-/issues/40312 for tor piece 17:23:30 https://github.com/shadow/shadow/issues/1137 for shadow, for the curious 17:24:13 we're doing the prop329 conflux draft discussion this week, yeah? thursday? 17:24:22 yup! 17:24:27 I'll add a reminder to the announcements 17:24:40 want to invite anybody else? if so please let 'em know the time 17:25:02 idk we could ask ian and other researchers I suppose. what do you think? 17:25:26 we could also discuss ourselves, and then let them know once we have something more firmed up 17:25:41 maybe that 2nd option, since the others haven't had the proposal yet 17:25:46 yeah 17:25:48 ok 17:26:09 oh, one last reminder: peer feedback is due _this_ friday 17:27:38 anything else for this meeting? If not we can end early and go look at those cpunks tickets :) 17:27:44 oh yeah I got that wrong last monday 17:27:47 yeah I am good 17:27:59 sameh ere 17:29:24 ok. thanks everybody! 17:29:27 #endmeeting