15:59:32 <donuts> #startmeeting UX Team Weekly Meeting
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15:59:38 <donuts> pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-ux-team-2022-keep
16:00:32 <nah> o/
16:01:10 <donuts> okay, please add anything you'd like to discuss to the agenda
16:01:27 <donuts> and feel free to update the weekly planning section and kanban boards too :)
16:06:09 <nah> i'm done
16:06:15 <donuts> me too
16:06:15 <championquizzer> same
16:06:18 <nicob> same
16:06:22 <donuts> awesome
16:06:27 <donuts> two quick announcements!
16:06:42 <donuts> 11.5.1 is out and hopefully our locale issues should be fixed
16:06:49 <nah> \o/
16:06:53 <donuts> (unless championquizzer tells me otherwise 😂)
16:07:17 <donuts> secondly: the bug smash fund campaign launched today!
16:07:19 <championquizzer> hehe, the feedback post 11.5.1 has been positive!
16:07:32 <nah> yay championquizzer!
16:07:35 <donuts> AND it's received a nice visual update by nicob
16:07:40 <donuts> https://blog.torproject.org/tor-bug-smash-fund-2022/
16:07:48 <donuts> championquizzer: great, that's good to hear!
16:08:21 <nah> wow!
16:08:59 <nah> great job, nicob :)
16:09:09 <nicob> <3
16:09:38 <donuts> looks like I'm the only one with bold updates
16:09:59 <donuts> okay so firstly – I'm trying to get organized for Tor Browser 12.0
16:10:28 <donuts> and have been creating and tagging improvments to torconnect and connection settings following 11.5 in applications/tor-browser
16:10:33 <donuts> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues
16:10:53 <donuts> if you have anything for desktop you'd like to see in 12.0, please let me know
16:11:24 <donuts> I've also gone through the user research for S30 and selected a few points of feedback to work on
16:11:46 <nah> i saw it!
16:11:46 <donuts> you can see those here: https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/-/milestones/29
16:12:31 <donuts> maybe we'll have more after testing in EC too :)
16:12:41 <donuts> moving on...
16:12:58 <donuts> Phase 1 of sponsor 131 is over the hill, and phase 2 is due to commence soon
16:13:02 <donuts> (maybe it already has)
16:13:20 <donuts> which involves working on the branding/customization of the S131 privacy browser
16:13:56 <donuts> nicob, I've produced an initial list of the design requirements in tor-browser#41088
16:14:12 <donuts> my plan is to run these passed the sponsor before I break them out into individual tickets
16:14:25 <donuts> as mentioned before, we'll want to get sign-off from the sponsor for each deliverable on this project
16:14:26 <nicob> oh awesome, ty donuts
16:14:43 <nah> nice!
16:14:48 <donuts> some of this will also affect tor browser too
16:15:17 <donuts> for example, I'd like to tidy up the start page (about:tor) and take a look at our onboarding so both browsers can share common, up to date templates
16:15:35 <donuts> also it's a good opportunity to fix any branding stuff we missed in tor browser too
16:16:19 <donuts> okay that's me done with my updates :D
16:16:35 <donuts> shall I hand over to championquizzer?
16:17:26 <championquizzer> i don't have many updates but quickly sum up post-release feedback for TB 11.5/11.5.1
16:17:44 <championquizzer> feedback has been largely positive
16:17:57 <donuts> nice
16:18:01 <nicob> yay!
16:18:12 <championquizzer> we have also generated a lot of interest around the new features: bridge-moji, connection assist..
16:18:18 <championquizzer> which is exciting!
16:18:34 <nah> :eyes:
16:18:43 <nah> super exciting :)
16:18:59 <championquizzer> our support channels have also been busy in the past two weeks, which is kinda usual whenever a major release is out :p
16:19:52 <championquizzer> the two major bugs with 11.5 seems to have been resolved with 11.5.1 \o/
16:20:12 <donuts> championquizzer: "we have also generated a lot of interest around the new features" <- oh really? tell me more :D
16:20:12 <nah> \o/
16:20:30 <donuts> honestly this release was VERY smooth, despite that bug
16:20:43 <championquizzer> donuts: questions about bridge-moji, connection assist
16:20:54 <donuts> 10.5 didn't have anywhere near this volume of changes, and I'm pretty sure we had to revert the download to 10.0 at one point
16:21:26 <donuts> championquizzer: lmk if you start to get a sense for any UX improvements!
16:21:32 <donuts> or if people are just like "what the hell is this"
16:21:48 <nah> championquizzer: what's your perception about bridge-moji? like, most users understood and were happy about it?
16:22:03 <nah> or just the opposite, like donuts just mentioned hehe
16:22:08 <championquizzer> afaik, there has been some confusion about whether the string of emojis can be used as inputs
16:22:24 <donuts> yeah we did a terrible job of that
16:22:38 <donuts> I think we should reinforce that in the provide a bridge modal redesign
16:22:42 <nah> hm...
16:22:49 <championquizzer> but have tried to do my best to explain wherever i saw that discussion happening :p
16:23:05 <donuts> I'm not sure if there's a really short text string we could fit onto the card to explain that too
16:23:10 <donuts> like UTLRA short
16:23:41 <nah> 3 words explanation + example?
16:24:03 <nah> if it is possible to make a 3 words explanation...
16:24:39 <championquizzer> we added this short para about bridge-moji to the manual: https://tb-manual.torproject.org/bridges/#bridge-moji
16:25:37 <donuts> yep this is great, but I wonder how we can communicate a version of this earlier on
16:25:39 <championquizzer> also to the glossary: https://support.torproject.org/glossary/bridge-moji/
16:25:46 <donuts> oh nice!
16:25:59 <donuts> I couldn't decide between bridgemoji and bridge-moji
16:26:17 <donuts> what do you think? should we de-hyphen it?
16:26:45 <donuts> or maybe it's fine to leave it be
16:27:10 <championquizzer> i kinda like bridge-moji
16:27:28 <nah> me too
16:27:33 <championquizzer> maybe i am just biased because i have been using this in the documenatation all around :p
16:27:40 <nah> haha
16:27:47 <nicob> I like bridge-moji as well :)
16:28:12 <championquizzer> that settles it lol
16:28:31 <nah> also like the glossary, championquizzer ;)
16:28:55 <donuts> cool glad that's decided 😂
16:29:03 <donuts> yess, i love it
16:29:42 <championquizzer> that's it for the updates :)
16:29:44 <donuts> okay please have a think about any improvements, and throw them in a ticket somewhere
16:30:16 <donuts> thanks championquizzer!
16:30:18 <donuts> I completely forgot to fill out my "this week" section so I'm going to quietly do that now
16:30:23 <donuts> but will close the meeting anyway
16:30:40 <donuts> one thing that's on my list is putting together a proposal for the new onion icons
16:30:50 <donuts> b/c I want to get as many of these into TB 12.0 as possibel
16:31:06 <nicob> \o/
16:31:12 <championquizzer> donuts: Tb 12.0 is planned for year end?
16:31:56 <donuts> championquizzer: yep, the ESR 102 update is going to be a little late and we'll have to backport any important security fixes in the meantime
16:32:44 <championquizzer> cool. thanks for the updates
16:34:44 <nah> also! donuts, championquizzer, i don't know if you saw that
16:34:46 <nah> https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/ux/research/-/issues/83#note_2824608
16:34:49 <donuts> my hope is that we can get ESR 102 + new application icon + new tor icons + connection UX fixes + provide a bridge modal redesign + about tor & onboarding update into 12.0, but some of those things will undoubtedly land in 12.5 instead (because it's quite a long list)
16:35:16 <donuts> we'll try and be pragmatic about some of it
16:35:40 <donuts> nah: I missed that, reading now...
16:35:46 <championquizzer> nah: whoops, i am getting a 404
16:36:09 <donuts> do you know what location they manually selected?
16:36:10 <nah> it's a tester from a censored region
16:36:30 <donuts> championquizzer: I'll add you to the project
16:36:37 <championquizzer> donuts: thanks :)
16:36:42 <nah> their own location (should not be released publicly)
16:37:08 <donuts> done :)
16:37:21 <donuts> nah: I wonder why the automatic option hung in that case, that's concerning
16:37:27 <nah> but it took even longer than the previous tester to identify the censorship
16:37:29 <donuts> we need to consider timeouts at some point
16:37:41 <nah> then they forgot to select location and took way to long to fail
16:37:46 <nah> too*
16:37:50 <donuts> yep :/
16:38:22 <nah> i remember this was an error you had predicted before
16:38:39 <donuts> yeah, I haven't created a ticket for it yet but I'll do so
16:39:25 <donuts> so much work to do, and so little time to do it all 😂
16:39:36 <donuts> plus we need to catch up on S101 soon too
16:39:59 <nah> yes! wanna do it tomorrow morning?
16:40:32 <donuts> I'm not going to even look at S101 until next week at the earliest tbh
16:40:45 <donuts> I want to try and get as many TB 12.0 things in gitlab as possible
16:40:51 <nah> but anyway, one thing that worries me -- but we don't have an easy solution to this - is that their local websites censors tor
16:40:56 <donuts> but maybe we can catch up then?
16:41:16 <nah> yep! ;)
16:42:15 <donuts> okay I'm going to close the meeting and fill out my todo list
16:42:20 <donuts> thanks everyone! have a good week!
16:42:22 <donuts> #endmeeting