16:59:13 <ahf> #startmeeting Network Team meeting, 24 october 2022
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16:59:15 <jnewsome> o/
16:59:16 <ahf> hello hello, welcome
16:59:36 <ahf> let's see who's here today
16:59:50 <Diziet> o/
17:00:17 <juga> o/
17:00:29 <GeKo> hey!
17:00:31 <ahf> o/
17:00:55 <eta> o/
17:00:57 <dgoulet> o/
17:01:02 <eta> (thanks for the ping ahf)
17:01:06 <ahf> pad is at https://pad.riseup.net/p/tor-netteam-2022.1-keep
17:01:08 <ahf> np!
17:01:48 <ahf> okay, so gaba and i went pretty deep in the paint last week on the arti board and moved a lot of things around, hope that didn't cause any confusion. when we are done with this 1.1.0 crazyness we can take a more serious look at the issues we have there and how to get the board setup for 1.2.0
17:02:02 <ahf> are folks otherwise doing fine with their boards: https://gitlab.torproject.org/groups/tpo/core/-/boards ?
17:02:27 <Diziet> ahf: I have been blissfully ignorant due to paying attention only to PT MRs (mine and others') and the PT ticket arti#69
17:02:43 <nickm> same here :)
17:02:51 <nickm> thanks to everybody for reviewing my stuff btw
17:02:54 <Diziet> (plus of course the 3 visits from Dell and the dead washing machine and ...)
17:03:00 <ahf> yeah, i said to gaba that if we ignore arti#69 they won't notice us messing around with this :S
17:03:11 <Diziet> ahf: lol v truje
17:03:15 <ahf> :D
17:03:26 <ahf> dgoulet: should i poke roger about https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/tor/-/issues/40622 ? is that something we need for this release or?
17:03:55 <ahf> it hasn't seen activity in this quarter
17:03:59 <dgoulet> ahf: wouldn't hurt to have it for sure!
17:04:13 <ahf> ok, will do
17:04:16 <ahf> excellent
17:04:21 <ahf> otherwise i think stuff looks good
17:04:45 <GeKo> ahf: yes, please
17:04:45 <ahf> dgoulet: anything to releases here?
17:05:28 <GeKo> we have this weird situation now that we need work around the eol for 0.4.6x for moria because it's still on some 0.4.6.x alpha due to that issue :(
17:05:28 <dgoulet> so not much, we are still very close to a new release but I found many HS problems last week that need to be merged
17:05:41 <dgoulet> we have a long list of things to get in for next release so dunno if this week but definitely "soon"
17:06:23 <ahf> GeKo: ah, interesting. let's hope the moria operations department can talk with the assignee of the ticket then 8)
17:06:27 <dgoulet> that is about it... "we are working on it" :)
17:06:31 <ahf> otherwise we can take a look at the cherry-picked patch
17:06:37 <ahf> dgoulet: excellent
17:07:30 <ahf> for external teams, we got https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/tor/-/issues/40698 on our lists from nethealth
17:07:51 <ahf> dgoulet: is this something on your radar or do i need to do something there?
17:07:54 <nickm> I've given a +1 to roger's patch there
17:07:57 <nickm> it's good to merge
17:08:08 <ahf> ah, perfect
17:08:17 <ahf> then nothing to do there. even better
17:08:21 <dgoulet> I've also approved it
17:08:34 <ahf> perfect perfect
17:08:57 <nickm> dgoulet: are you okay with doing the merges on approved tor patches? I'm afraid it is getting likelier and likelier that I will screw up as I try to do so, for so long as they're on gitolite :/
17:09:18 <dgoulet> yes ofc, I plan to do the merge
17:09:21 <nickm> thanks!
17:09:22 <ahf> perfect
17:09:25 <ahf> arti gang, do we want to do an irc checkin this week like you have done the other weeks in the current madness we are in?
17:10:22 <nickm> yes, wfm
17:10:34 <nickm> right when the s61 part of this meeting begins?
17:10:50 <ahf> well, i was thinking tomorrow at 14 or something like we did last week
17:10:57 <nickm> ahhhh
17:11:01 <nickm> even smarter
17:11:01 <ahf> but you are also welcome to do it at that time, then i will just be in here instead 8)
17:11:09 <ahf> i cannot do two things in parallel on irc :-/
17:11:24 <ahf> Diziet, eta, nickm: 14:00 UTC tomorrow check-in ?
17:11:28 <ahf> on irc
17:11:28 <Diziet> OK
17:11:33 <nickm> tomorrow @14UTC is great
17:11:51 <eta> sure
17:11:56 <ahf> perfect
17:12:00 <Diziet> This replaces the bbb which I have in my calendar
17:12:20 <ahf> i think we can do that, yeah. i am not gonna start anything new up that i had planned while you are all dealing with the current project
17:12:31 <ahf> if we need to do bbb, we can do that more ad-hoc
17:12:35 <ahf> ok, good
17:12:50 <ahf> people who needs to do s61 can stay, everybody else can go do the things they were gonna do before they got interrupted by the meeting
17:12:58 <ahf> mikeperry: wanna go for s61 stuff?
17:13:33 <Diziet> cool, ttfn
17:13:34 <mikeperry> yeah, so last week was the report. I need to check that over again
17:13:39 * Diziet returns to the compiler's complaints
17:14:07 <mikeperry> hiro had some questions about dos dates for the indicators. I suggested she ask geko for more, but the main was was September 13th onward
17:14:49 <GeKo> yeah, this is sorted out
17:14:58 <mikeperry> juga: I had a couple questions in reply to https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/network-health/sbws/-/issues/40146#note_2844634
17:15:13 <GeKo> we only have like 2 really good weeks at the begin of july...
17:15:28 <juga> mikeperry: i saw, just haven't check what you ask
17:15:30 <GeKo> the others miiiight be usable with some caveat, though
17:15:32 <juga> ye
17:15:35 <juga> yet
17:15:36 <mikeperry> the beginnning of September was also ok, iirc
17:15:49 <mikeperry> but the network had already suffered guard loss by then
17:16:33 <mikeperry> juga: the slow start thing is very weird.. it should not switch back and forth ever.. that is either a tor bug, or a bug in sbws event tracking for CIRC_BW
17:17:10 <juga> mikeperry: i'll keep a log for a bit more time to see whether it happens again and i'll let you know
17:17:29 <juga> i also started code to listen for CIRC events, none so far
17:17:32 <GeKo> it's just getting worse from mid-july ramping up slowly (that's for onions): https://metrics.torproject.org/torperf.html?start=2022-05-01&end=2022-10-24&server=onion&filesize=5mb
17:18:07 <GeKo> the non-onion data is similar until 09/13
17:18:31 <GeKo> but as i said it might still be good enough to do at least something with it
17:18:38 <mikeperry> ah, yeah
17:20:05 <mikeperry> very sad. you read these metrics and you could conclude s61 is destroying the tor network
17:20:25 <ahf> :/
17:20:26 <GeKo> right
17:22:38 <mikeperry> so this week, I will be reviewing dgoulet's onion service and queue fixes. the fix to https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/tor/-/issues/40680 along with the upload changes jnewsome did can help us investigate queue use a bit closer in shadow
17:23:07 <mikeperry> jnewsome did the shadow migration issues from last week get resolved? are both large and very-large working for 10% sims yet?
17:23:11 <dgoulet> (oh yeah that is ready to be merged. Been running on our relays as well successfully)
17:23:20 <jnewsome> mikeperry: i think so, yes
17:23:50 <mikeperry> dgoulet: you said it was getting triggered for 1250 on the test relays? do we want an option to disable the banning by setting it to 0?
17:24:35 <dgoulet> for that, we can disable DoS circuit creation defense
17:24:39 <dgoulet> or introduce a new param
17:25:02 <mikeperry> or just make it use "0" as disabled
17:25:08 <dgoulet> exactly yeah ^
17:25:15 <dgoulet> did we do that in the patch or we need an update?
17:25:27 <mikeperry> but 0x7FFFFFF is also effectively disabled.. but it just keeps tracking.. which is maybe good, actually?
17:25:51 <dgoulet> yeah basically
17:26:15 <dgoulet> ah ok no, we need to change this so 0 disable it. I'll make a note
17:27:09 <mikeperry> I expect most of my time this week will be code reviews and testing this stuff in shadow
17:28:38 <ahf> nice
17:30:05 <mikeperry> anything else?
17:30:13 <GeKo> not from me
17:30:20 <juga> from me neither
17:30:25 <ahf> next week is still in october, so our next bbb here is in 14 days from today
17:30:26 * dgoulet is good
17:30:58 <ahf> let's wrap it up then. thanks all!
17:31:02 <ahf> #endmeeting